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Submitted by DarkLordMalik 834d ago | news

Phil Spencer on OS & XBL issue: "We are playing SP & MP nightly. Anyone can post 'stuff' to the web"

Xbox One launch is shaping up to be a disaster soon as rumors of the OS being broken and Xbox Live stability issues are appearing all over the internet. Microsoft's Phil Spencer denies these claims. (Microsoft, Xbox One)

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Muerte2494  +   834d ago
Of Course..
he's going to deny it. Just like he denied the esRAM issues that were being had. With less than 3 weeks to go until PS4 launch, let's hope CBOAT keeps quiet until then.
sAVAge_bEaST  +   833d ago
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theBAWSE  +   833d ago
Microsoft oh Microsoft...

after your DRM bullshit and the obvious lies over COD resolution... I believe nothing that comes out that company.. I'm sorry just being honest... see ms it's not so hard!!
BitbyDeath  +   833d ago
The full tweet turned into a disaster.
Phil bailed with his tail between his legs.
PoSTedUP  +   833d ago
well, thats one way to not answer a question. would have much rather preferred "there is no problems with the X1 OS" or "thoes rumors are false", anything other than mentioning something unrelated and a indirect response to the actual proposed issue. i hope they eventually bring closure to this, everything including their behavior points to it being true, as well as the resolution issues.

his response is like me asking a NASCAR driver: 'are rumors true that are saying the interior of your car looks like crap and nothing is working properly?' driver: "well im driving it nightly, people can say whatever they want". cool, thanks for answering my question...
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theBAWSE  +   833d ago
@bitbydeath... dude THANK YOU for that link

I've never laughed so hard.. Phil bailed when questioned about the actual os... especially when the dude said if anyone tried to get into the os at the demo kiosk they were booted off the machines..

oh man this has to be the worst unveiling, launch and PR of any console ever..
PoSTedUP  +   833d ago
the smartest thing for them to say is "the X1's OS will be ready at launch". not clearing up such a bad rumor only makes it worse. the truth hurts, but not as much as avoiding it or being caught in a lie.
abc1233  +   833d ago
@bitbydeath: wow, talk about getting owned.
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BBBirdistheWord  +   833d ago
@ bitbydeath

sorry, I am not seeing how Phil bailed with his tail between his legs.

Is that some special Sony fanboy talent that you have that is required before I can see it?

Looking forward to the launch of PS4 and XBO.

At least in practice we will see which platform innovates, which has the most fun games and which platform is prone to overheating and overhating.

This is only a precursor.
let the real games begin....
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Insomnia_84  +   833d ago
Holy effin sht!!!!! Seriously MS should just delay the thing if all this is true! They will do more harm by releasing with such problems that will lead to more bigger problems! They learned nothing from the RROD disaster!
abzdine  +   833d ago
if i was one of the early owners i would wait just a week before buying it just to get the first return from early pigeons.
badz149  +   833d ago
"playing SP & MP nightly"

yeah? after this:

I always take what this guy says as PR talk and not much of anything else!
Death  +   833d ago
Didn't we already see the OS running? I mean seriously, the sky is falling every damn night here.
Shake_Zula  +   833d ago
@Death: The video you posted shows the UI and a game playing offline. Don't you ind that kind of odd considering the console was touted as an always on machine? The issue isn't when you try to play games or getting to the UI; it's network connectivity as it relates to VOIP and OS-related online features. Basically in a nutshell, XBL isn't playing nice with X1. It's ironic really that the reasons that PS3 users sort of had to shut up when talking about online features now applies to the X1.
JokesOnYou  +   833d ago | Well said
Yep anybody can write on the internet if anybodys behind its sony heres why:

Only 1 high profile launch game and its a shooter running on an old engine offers nothing next gen, graphics upgrade cannot run 1080p 60fps whole game and its sonys flagship game WITHOUT DEDICATED SERVERS vs a open world tons of zombies on screen no loading, no streaming, plus a hack n slash @900p with the best next gen graphics and by far the best cinematics in any game launching. 

Then we have Driveclub delay but Forza5 looks better and as a sim has more going in regards to tech performance all at 1080p 60fps. 

Then we have seen far more about the X1's hardware details with hot chips conferences and other panels talking about the custom design architecture and UI than ps4's? sony lack of details on hardware suggests it off the shelf since they've been pretty hush to say otherwise, sure wasn't hush about the cell/bluray last gen launch. 

Then we have seen COD Ghost and BF4 both already running on X1 looking no different than ps4 versions. 

Then we've seen X1 at more events not 1 cancellation unlike sony and X1 is in more stores with gamers having hands on while sony has ps4 showcased in controlled sony stores. 

All this while having the more robust console that not only is launching standard with a high tech camera but also introducing next gen ideas like cloud computing and is leading with dedicated servers available to all games/Azure. 

Now its 2 weeks before ps4 launch micro is still showing more, engaging with the public while we hear of sony not getting ps4 in journos hands setting review restrictions, and just running the same Taco Bell ads a few others but where are the uncontrolled hands on demos of the KZ SF and the system UI at this point?...releasing earlier we should see alot more from sony but we don't. 

Only hit for micro is bad PR the system itself has proven over and over again rumors were wrong about die issues, downclocking, fcc certification, no demos, delays, supply and code issues. This latest OS crap will also be next BS rumor proven wrong. 

^^^^Its sony who looks far less ready than micro for next gen.^^^^
BBBirdistheWord  +   833d ago

The more i look past the fanboys and the paid journalists, the more I am seeing Sony on the backfoot.

Is that wrong?
Will I lose bubbles for this?
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malokevi  +   833d ago
Once again, N4G gobbling up anonymous info as if it were word of god. Seems to be happening all too often lately...
BattleTorn  +   833d ago
Geez people make shit up like crazy

Xbox One kiosk don't "kick you off" for trying to access the OS.

The guy has to a full of sh1t fanboy to make things like that up,

I tried. And yeah, the Dev kits don't have much OS on them. You cant go to try to login, cause they don't allow that.

But that's because the demo kits literally don't have te full OS.
Biggest  +   833d ago
Phil Spencer was asked about the OS and his response was:

There are a ton of videos of games running. The Ryse vidoc from last week... We have SUVs driving around with playables etc.

To which you, BattleTorn, reply that the SUV demo kits don't have the OS. What are you defending here? You can't be defending Phil Spencer. He said that the OS is viewable at the SUV demos. You say that the SUV demos don't have the OS. The question still remains. Where is the OS?
jut420  +   833d ago
@ that youtube OS video

that video doesn't actually show anything in the OS working only the ability to boot a game and back out to the Dashboard. The problem with the OS is all the apps aren't functional which is probably what he was talking about when he said it was buggy. Good way to dance around the question while making it sound things are ok by Spencer.

I'm sure they are playing SP and MP lightly but that's probably all their able to do instead of having features with the OS working with the game.
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P0werVR  +   833d ago
Wow, even with the tour, showing of architecture designs, UI and gameplay. People are still trying to so hard when it's so close to bring this down.


Microsoft hasn't DELAYED ANYTHING!! What does that tell you?! Very desperate here folks.

"Sony's Adam Boyes"....nuff said, or ANYTHING from NeoGaf.
hakeem0996  +   833d ago
I get a headache everytime i hear about an OS issue bullshit Both PS4 and XboxONe are running right now on old codes .There's a reason why they both will have day one patches and why your console should always have an online source . MS changes and updates his UI on the regular while Sony patches theirs box almost every's nothing new and not news worthy .if you have an old gen console you should be use to these things . Freeezes,reboots and resets won't go away because you changed your consoles .
UnholyLight  +   833d ago
This comment on the article:

The Sony Droid army is just pulling out all the stops now. I guess its less than a month away when every one lifts up the Ps4 skirt and realize its not carved fro gods toe nail. You know its only launching with 2 major exclusive games made for it.

Now all of a sudden XBL doesnt work,come on. To top it of we have a major figure from MS saying there is no issues. In the real world i will be going with the word of a officer of the company.

In the Sony Circle Jerk they listen to any random village idiot as long as his comment is negative of the X1. And they treated like prophets as they all gather around in the sony circle jerk and handle each other.

Funny thing you got some clown on Twiiter trying to heckle the a high up official then he clowns him. Ryse looks so good they just can believe it is running on real consoles.

-Get real people, I'm getting the PS4 but come on, this is pretty sad. If the "PS4 is really so much better and will outsell the Xbox One by such a large margin" then why are all of these RUMOURS coming out of nowhere.

Use your brains people
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Destrania  +   833d ago
Ahh @Jokes, once again making up false information and giving 'jokingly' horrible completely off-base opinions on games. You make me lol so hard. Keep the blindfold on and the ear buds in sir, it seems to be the only way you know how to exist. Literally the entire comment you posted above shows you clearly have no brain. The statement 'yep anybody can write on the internet' is oh so very true.
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Death  +   833d ago
Microsoft bans consoles for accessing games early. You don't think they would notice XBox Ones hit the online service that aren't registered for online use? I'm not sure how much I can disclose, but Microsoft does not allow early access to Live on any console unless it's pre-authorized.

I guess the best way to respond is no, I don't think it's odd we haven't seen footage of Xbox Ones on Live. The consoles online to this point are under heavy NDA. What we have seen in the vids to this point are children of people under NDA that are getting in a lot of trouble.
ZodTheRipper  +   833d ago
Am I the only one who wants to punch this guy for no reason?
Ritsujun  +   833d ago
More Xbone180's are coming.
Docknoss  +   833d ago
Wait rumor is that both PSN and XBL our in need of work, fair and balanced news God Damb it!
ThanatosDMC  +   833d ago
I wish his background was less white or at least the font color was darker. It was hard to read on my monitor.
UltimateMaster  +   833d ago
For the love of god.
We don't know anything.
One person says stuff on the internet doesn't make it true and I would tend to agree.
Let's all calm down, sit back, wait until the consoles comes out and then have our toughs on it.
pixelsword  +   833d ago
isn't this a duplicate story, which had a part of this in another story?
Magicite  +   833d ago
Cant stand this guys face. Always so full of self.
mikeboccher  +   833d ago
lmao so true. always has that smug ass look on his face.
mikeboccher  +   833d ago
so true
vigilante_man  +   833d ago
He has a face only a mother could like..

Back on topic:

# PS4 will have problems at launch and first 6 months.
# XB1 will have more problems at launch and next 6 months.
# XB1 was rushed out and was due for 2014 release originally.
# Games will look way better on XB1/PS4 than 360/PS3.
# PS4 is stronger graphically.

The list could go on and on but lets hope we all have a great time with our next gen consoles this Christmas holiday season. We are paying enough for them!
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DoubleM70  +   833d ago
Dude you don't know that man personally. You sound crazy saying stuff like that.
UnholyLight  +   833d ago
I don't see how confidence in speaking and presenting (something that is a cornerstone of Business and Presenting) comes across as full of himself?

Good to see a guy that believes in the product he is paid to promote.
GigaHard   833d ago | Spam
DiRtY  +   833d ago | Well said
LoL do you guys still believe in CBoat?

Here are Cboats latest "leaks":

Prior GamesCom / TGS:

- PS4 will launch in late October FALSE
- Xbox One SKU without Kinect in March / April 2014 MAYBE
- Exclusive Xbox One title made by Platinum Games to be shown NOT YET / FALSE
- Microsoft will talk about DRM at GamesCom. There will never be a "rental" strategy. FALSE
- DRM plans are actually worse than what they've [MS] stated. FALSE

Prior E3:

- Mirror's Edge 2 at MS conference. FALSE
- Prince of Persia (reboot?) at MS conference. FALSE
- Dead Rising 3, and exclusive DLC for another Capcom game at MS conference. 1st half RIGHT, 2nd half wrong
- No online paywall for PS4. Unconfirmed. FALSE
- No DRM info for PS4. FALSE

Somewhere in between:

- Xbox One will see a downclocking FALSE
Kayant  +   833d ago
- "No online paywall for PS4. Unconfirmed. FALSE" Obvousily that's false that said he didn't know anything about online paywall.

- "No DRM info for PS4. FALSE" - There was that #DRM campaign which made Sony decide to highlight DRM stuff in the E3 conference. There's also the fact like above he is just stating that he has no info about DRM on PS4.

These are things he has got right/partially right so far.
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Muerte2494  +   833d ago
His words have a lot more weight to them than your do. Okay now go back and list everything he's gotten right. People still don't understand how Neogaf works. If the wrong so much, he'd be banned already. #TruthFacts
lifeisgamesok  +   833d ago
@Dirty thanks lol CBOAT is a fraud and works for Sony
abc1233  +   833d ago
The trouble with rumours is that if it turns out to not be true, you don't know if it was true at the time but later changed, the announcement has been pushed back, or if it was false altogether.
BBBirdistheWord  +   833d ago
@ dirty

That's great, thank you.
CBOAT has been lauded as an unassaillable prodigy of truth on the neogaf (Sonygaf?) phenomenon.

In truth, he gets it right about 50% of the time which is the same as VG chartz and Pachter and many other 'reputable' sources.

It reminds me of the old saying 'even a broken clock gets it right twice a day'.

In fact he gets it right about as much as tossing a coin for heads or tails.

With odds like these he should be a stock broker...

It's disturbing how many users on neogaf (sonygaf?) and n4g proudly proclaim his successful predictions, while completely disregarding his concurrent failure predictions.

This is a feature of modern economic and financial behavioural theory:

This website truly is a wonderful study!
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XabiDaChosenOne  +   833d ago
Off of your list and Kayants, Cboat has been correct 18 times vs the 11 times he was wrong according to your list.Thats a 62% average meaning he is getting most of his predictions right. Now if we look a little deeper into your list its easy to tell you are taking predictions out of context.

For example your fourth one under the Prior GamesCom/TGS column stating quote:
- Microsoft will talk about DRM at GamesCom. There will never be a "rental" strategy. FALSE
Ignoring that Microsoft ditched DRM plans after the huge consumer backlash.
Your fifth claim under that column is also fishy since you don't go into detail of how that was wrong.
As for your Prior E3 column there is even more half truths like this one.
- No DRM info for PS4. FALSE
This implies that there was no info for Drm for the PS4 when in fact that original post from Cboat states : ^_^ sonty rapped up tighterrea than Virgin mosquito when on drm istuf. Frustartin!g myinfogloves!
Translation: He could not get any info on the PS4 DRM info no that there wasn't any
Dishonesty will not change reality, remember that.
BBBirdistheWord  +   833d ago
@ kobe

Just saying.
Blind faith in gurus can lead to ruin.

Witness Bernie Maddoff's Ponzie scheme which showed +64% success rate.

Not saying you are outright wrong.
Just saying you are not outright right.
Think about that.

Perhaps you could compile a list of all CBOAT's precictions on 1-2 year's time and we can then use his confirmed track record in analysis of future industry predictions.

At present, CBOAT's stats are none too good, for a self proclaimed insider that has no track record. even in the future, we would need to scrutinise his performance in much the same way that Maddoff's performance was not scrutinised, unfortunately.

There's a lesson in that.
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JokesOnYou  +   833d ago
Good stuff Dirty dont forget about the "yeild issues" and "downclock" BS. Also for those saying hes right "sometimes" how stupid is that #1 yeah understandably anybody could be wrong because companys make changes to plans but for a so called "microsoft insider" should be spot on almost everytime....with his record 25% of the folks on n4g are insiders too. #2 The things he gets right are vague common sense predictions that will most likely happen if you follow gaming and have just a bit of deductive reasoning skills. Hell heres how it goes both consoles will launch with OS and game bugs and glitches that require patches. Both will have launch day problems for some trying to connect. Both will have some surprise features we didnt expect or that work differently than 1st thought.= Now write that in half azz cryptic lingo= BAM! Im Nostradamus. Post to neogaf watch how easily the "followers" are amazed.

=CBoat is a sonyfanboy poser.
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H0RSE  +   833d ago

"Off of your list and Kayants, Cboat has been correct 18 times vs the 11 times he was wrong according to your list.Thats a 62% average meaning he is getting most of his predictions right..."

So essentially, you are saying that his predictions are about as "successful" as prayer...Yeah, that's impressive...
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imt558  +   833d ago
Somewhere in between:

- Xbox One will see a downclocking FALSE

CBOAT never mentioned about downclocking. It's cam right from MS mouth. You remember that MS was said that bandwith is 204 GB/s, a this happened :

Suddenly 192 GB/s. And those who know about RAM and bandwith technology with simple math came to downclock.

- PS4 will launch in late October FALSE
No online paywall for PS4. Unconfirmed. FALSE
- No DRM info for PS4. FALSE

CBOAT said before that he is not Sony insider.

Have you consider that MS does not need to download Day One patch to remove DRM from XO? XO OS is unstable because removing DRM. But DRM is very deep in XO system and it will be hard to remove that thing. Maybe MS will not be able to remove DRM entirely.
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Magicite  +   833d ago
But he was also right about some things, You didnt mention those intentionally.
H0RSE  +   833d ago

"...But DRM is very deep in XO system and it will be hard to remove that thing. Maybe MS will not be able to remove DRM entirely."

- consoles have been using DRM aspects for many years now. This is why you need the disk in the drive to play games or why you can't play burnt games.
Kayant  +   833d ago

The yield issues are real expect you want to them me how they can go from 23 countries pre DRM to 13 after their 180s. This obviously means that they knew demand was not going to be that high with their initial policies which is why they launched in so more countries to gather good sales but suddenly after removing all their policies (No DRM/kinect required) with 3x the interest they obviously cannot meet demand now.

The evidence is there with the PS4 having a bigger interest & more demand they are able to launch in more countries(32).

Expect you have an explanation as to why MS scaled back from 23 to 13.

The downclocks were obviously wrong.

Also how is he a Sony fanboy when most if not all is info on PS has been wrong but his info on MS has been right often.
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abc1233  +   833d ago
@jokesonyou: I'd like to see 25% of N4G users post part of a trailer 2.5 months before it's released to the public.
GigaHard   833d ago | Spam
Back-to-Back  +   833d ago
MS's mentality. Make a generalized statement and hope its enough to keep the fanboys from worrying. This has rrod 2.0 written all over it.
GigaHard   833d ago | Spam
PFFT  +   833d ago
RLOD 1.0

Or the many system crashes at expos or the Live Tv, LIVE TV failure while trying out the Eyetoy over at Tokyo Gameshow.
isa_scout  +   833d ago
Yeah it's pretty strange that he says they're playing the games nightly, but no one said the games didn't work. He was questioned about the OS and Live issues, and instead of answering them he deflected with, "Anyone can put stuff on the internet."

This isn't a PS4vsOne thing, and I sincerly hope they get things running smoothly for the One before launch for all the Xbox users. I'm starting to wonder if MS announced the XOne to soon to try to keep pace with Sony.
Sadly in this day and age a new peice of Tech always launches with issues. What the hell is going on with MS and Sony??? SNES,Genesis,PS1,PS2,Xbox all those older systems launched just fine, but now we need day one patches for EVERYTHING, even our brand new next-gen systems.
Pogmathoin  +   833d ago
Well, it is a new week for the fanboys... Should be an interesting one, as we enter November. Maybe X1 should have launched last December, would have been easy to blame it for the end of the world... Then of course Sony would have saved us all...
Aceman18  +   833d ago
Man I miss Jay, Seamus, and Shane they were really likable personalities for the company and I could usually take them at face value.

This new crew I just can't stand at least the main one left now hoping the rest bounce.

This OS issue is rather strange as I wouldn't expect this from a software company which is their bread & butter.
Mike134nl  +   833d ago
Lets wait till after launch. Its better and kinda expected to have some software problems before launch than after the launch.
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2cents  +   833d ago
I physically played for over 4hours on the Xbox One last Friday. While I can't comment on Xbox live, I can say that out of 9 Xbox's that I played on, all booted into the OS and back to the game without a glitch. I saw people pissing around with menus and trying to get into every screen much to the annoyance of the reps. All real xbox's, all real games, all real fun (except zoo tycoon).

I came away VERY impressed and totally confident in the ability of 'The One'.
MrCastle  +   833d ago
What's up with zoo tycoon?
2cents  +   833d ago
The framerate was really choppy with loads of slowdown and hanging. The graphics were no better than current gen in most areas. Only the animal close ups had a slight wow factor. Overall I just didn't really enjoy it, but in fairness this isn't a pickup and play game, it demands your time to really get into it, besides I just couldn't stop playing Ryse! It was bloody amazing!
Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II  +   833d ago
yea sure you did.
MAULxx  +   833d ago
I'm glad you enjoyed it but it is forever a "Xbone".
jmac53  +   833d ago
Interesting how they come out and deny these rumors but not a peep regarding the 720p games.
Real_gamer  +   833d ago
Nobody asked for ur opinion why don't u just go and comment on ur fav console which is ps4 and stop trolling on any articles about Xbox one
Majin-vegeta  +   833d ago
You sound mad want a cookie??
XboxFun  +   833d ago
So an internet rumor pops up from unnamed sources and a direct MS representative shoots them down as false and N4G claims they don't believe MS and of course they would deny it.

And yet N4G always are the first to demand MS make a statement to other rumors from unnamed sources....Why?

When none of you will believe anything MS says. This is the true "SMH" moment I find with these comments from sony fanboys.
jessupj  +   833d ago
"And yet N4G always are the first to demand MS make a statement to other rumors from unnamed sources....Why?"

I guess MS fanboys are just perfectly happy to bend over and blindly accept anything MS offers then, eh?

But I don't know if you noticed, but it appears it was an xbox fan demanding answers. N4G are just posting the story.

And I guess you have very bad reading comprehension because Phil did NOT debunk these rumors. He only mentioned the games were running fine, but the issues were the OS and some of the online interactivity, which he completely skipped.

It seems like every time you open your mouth to defend MS you say something stupid.

Yesterday I honestly though these rumors weren't true. Now after Phil has skipped the question and bailed when the questions got even more tough, I think there might be some truth to it.

I feel bad for anyone that had a good thorough look at all the facts and came to the objective conclusion that the xbone is right for them. I don't feel bad for you though.

What are you going to do if all these bad rumors are true? Keep blindly defending MS I presume?
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Ps4Console  +   833d ago
All this Xbox One bashing I really don't want to hear it it's flamebaiting I just want good news on Ps4 games .
TheXgamerLive  +   833d ago
Mistakes? Yes. Lies? None. MS has done nothing but be up front and forthcoming about everything Xbox One.
So, if anyone's lieing its been sony fans and if any company has been with holding information it's Sony

Xbox One OS/XBL has been testing this same basic set up for almost 17 months and Its near impossible to believe this story. Admittingly Sony and MS both will be testing and tweaking up til launch and that tweaking does not a story make.
NextGen24Gamer  +   833d ago
true stoery. my brother in law is a game tester for xbox one. he said today that cod ghost looks amazing. i asked him if it was 720p and he said he doesnt know but he said it looks 1300p. he said that that the graphics will blow people away. he said forza is flawless. he said nba 2k14 is amzing and he said ryse is stunning. he did say he didnt really like the gameplay and he was halfway through the game. it has 13 chapters. he said his job is to report bugs etc....and he said all the games he has played are amazing. oh...he did say that in his opinion dead rising doesnt stand up graphically to the forementioned games but still looks good. he gets to play battle field tomorrow. on the 22nd everyone will know the truth. and he got me even more excited than i already was. oh....he said online is flawless and he thinks the xbox one will easily surpass everyones expectations.
moparful99  +   832d ago
I know you either you or your brother in law is lying because gane testers dont play a game in its entirety.. They are assigned sections or chapters and they play that chunk as many times as possible to help expose glitches and bugs...
Ohh and your brother can be fired for saying anything because all testers sign non disclosure agreements...

Here's my proof
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NextGen24Gamer  +   832d ago
not lying. it depends on company u work.
black0o  +   834d ago
nice to see MS speaking up .. NOW lets deal with The Elephant in the Room

what about the COD/BF res?
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BoriboyShoGUN  +   833d ago
Might as well right! Shit if your talking go ahead and clear up all the BS for your fans. Even though most of the main stream clowns arent keeping up with all this anyways. I think those people that are set on purchasing a Xbox are going to regardless! We'll just have to see if they end up getting screwed or not.
n4rc  +   833d ago
They are sticking to their word.. No disclosure on 3rd party games

Even when this rumor first hit, they stayed quiet while other Deva came out and said their x1 games are at 1080..

I know my view might not be the best route.. But I feel they don't need to dignify these stupid rumors with a response

Edit for below..

Your twisting facts... He was told HE didn't need to know by his 3rd party manager.. Penello never said that to the public.
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pyramidshead  +   833d ago
"I know my view might not be the best route"

I'll say! How easy would it be to debunk this via twitter with actual concise wording that addresses the concerns? Not long, they've been using twitter to provide info or gloat features or game announcements ever since May.

I agree they don't want to dignify EVERY rumour with an answer but the reses of games and OS issues are pretty big 'rumours', which are consequently causing more ill thinking. Why would they want to suffer more 'negative opinion' on top of what they already have experienced? That makes literally no sense what so ever.
"Xbox, are such & such 720p? Because that's not ideal :(.
Consumer, no need to worry that rumour is false, the games are confirmed native 1080 :)!"

They either 'don't know' or don't want to say. Either way it just indirectly confirms concerns.

Take the Driveclub delay rumour, Sony said nothing on the issue, the dev 'Rushy' said he 'didn't know' and it ended up being true and Sony came out and confirmed it not long after. Ironic actually because the same dude who leaked the OS issues is the same dude who confirmed the Driveclub delay ;) and I bet you believed that one.

People are also claiming Sony are having OS issues from the same sources, and I believe those too.
^ for anyone who's interested.
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MightyNoX  +   833d ago
What COD/BF res are you talking about? All I remember is Penello waving his hand saying "You don't need to know about COD re---"

*goes into trance*

I...I don't need to know about COD res. I can go about my business. Move along.
black0o  +   833d ago
lol penello is kinda a joke some times .. spencer is the only one that i take his words out of all xbone teams
Septic  +   833d ago
I suspect that if 'the elephant in the room' is dealt with, fanboys will move the goalposts to something else.
Rivitur  +   833d ago
Yeah probably best for MS's biggest problem right now be Res rather than something bigger even though Res is very important either way MS is screwed.
Volkama  +   833d ago
The COD rumour can go 2 ways

-It's true, the game runs at 720p.
Microsoft confirm it, the internet runs wild with confirmation that the PS4 has the best COD and the news may even reach people that play COD (that "non-core gamer" Rubin talks about).

-It's false, the game runs at 1080p
Microsoft confirm it, a few 'insiders' go quiet for a couple of minutes before finding something else to speculate on.

It is quite possible the rumour is accurate, it's come from numerous sources hasn't it? But the way I see it they're better off keeping quiet in either case, unless the rumour threatens to hit a bigger audience than the confirmation would.
black0o  +   833d ago
it's more like 1st scenario i guess or MS is hopping for IW to improve it to 900p or get it to 1080p
abc1233  +   833d ago
No it's not best if they keep quiet in the second scenario. If these people are making stuff up then MS keeping quiet isn't going to stop them making something else up in the meantime. MS is allowing Sony to score some PR points which is stupid. Its very likely now that COD's resolution is lower on the X1 but they're still trying to improve it before launch.
sAVAge_bEaST  +   834d ago
What happens if you start a Pay Wall- only to offer nothing. While H\ood winking your customers into think they are getting a "1st class experience."

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Death  +   833d ago
Tired and worn out argument/complaint.

If you are paying to play online on either console a pay wall doesn't exist. If you only want to play online with your friends on PS4 and didn't see the value of Plus, the only thing you get with your $50 is online multiplayer unlocked. Everything else is "free", but you pay $50. The only thing behind the "paywall" is online play. It was free for over a decade, but now it's $50.

On Xbox One if you want to play online it is $60. With that you get all the bs that is "free" on the PS4. If you are an online gamer and subscribe to the service you get much more than online unlocked.

I'm fairly certain free access to Netflix isn't going to sway people over to the PS4, but if that helps you sleep at night I guess there is no harm in it.
Stick89  +   833d ago
Considering of course that the PS3 is one of the most widely used Netflix streaming devices.

I think that is a huge point in PS4's favor.
Death  +   833d ago
That was a year ago. Smart TV's are saturating the market very quickly and Netflix is easily accessed straight from those tvs. Just about every Blu-ray player and new DVD player have the same functions. You can get a Roku player for under $50 that does it too.

How many people do you honestly think have high speed internet, an HDTV, are buying a new console at launch and don't plan on subscribing to either service? You think there are many hardcore early adopters that don't play online do you?
Stick89  +   833d ago
"one of the most" and yes I do realize the article is a year old. It doesn't make what I said any less true.

To counter your point earlier though, a paywall does still exist. Believe it or not there are people out there who couldn't care less about multiplayer gaming but would like to be able to access other online features a console has such as netflix or game streaming.
H0RSE  +   833d ago

""one of the most" and yes I do realize the article is a year old. It doesn't make what I said any less true."

- No, but it does make it less relevant.

"To counter your point earlier though, a paywall does still exist. Believe it or not there are people out there who couldn't care less about multiplayer gaming but would like to be able to access other online features a console has such as netflix or game streaming."

- And many of those people are simply going to watch Netflix on other devices, like PC's and the ones mentioned above. I have been subscribed to XBL since the original xbox, and I never utilize any of the apps, like Netflix, or the radio streaming apps or anything else - I use my PC for all of that. Even full movies both downloaded and played from my blu-ray drive, are played on my PC and watched on my TV.

And before you go into the impracticality of using your PC for all these things, do a Google search for "HTPC."
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badkolo  +   833d ago
more rumors, more lies proven false, i love how rumors get so much traction these days
Riderz1337  +   833d ago
Sorry but, how is the rumor proven false with his reply? The rumours are of a buggy OS and he's talking about playing Single player games...?
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badkolo  +   833d ago
look around, xbox os dev already replied, ghost is 900p, bf4 is 900p, there were issues with os months ago, thats all ironed out. so yeah its proven false
n4rc  +   833d ago
Yeah.. All those unconfirmed rumors huh?

Soooo..... Spencer says something and its a lie.. What a fkn shocker!

So when rumors of ps4 issues come about.. Sonys word is all you need to ignore it..

Classic n4g
abc1233  +   833d ago
@badkolo: sources please?
Drekken  +   833d ago
Badkolo another MS die hard claims these rumors have been proven false and then tries to convince us that the resolutions for COD and BF have been confirmed at 900p. A little news for you buddy... 900p is not good or confirmed. Brace yourself for 720p. It will be a cold winter for you.
ziggurcat  +   833d ago
@ badkolo:

proof CoD & BF4 are 900p on xbone, please.
MightyNoX  +   833d ago
Just how the rumors started flying that Microsoft would do an always online console that restricts used games and requires 24 authentication proved false during the Adam Orth hubbub....Oh laawwddy, those Sony Ponies got an egg on their face during the Xbox One reveal.

Oh wait...
ALLWRONG  +   833d ago
Xbox rumors are always true because Sony fanboys say so. Just wait for a while and it all comes back to bite them in the a$$ like this and this Sony fanboys do a pretty good job digging their own graves.
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MightyNoX  +   833d ago
Difference being, you can switch on PS4 without the patch. Conversely, Xbox One's patch is required for you to play.

In baby terms:

Day 1 - No internet

PS4: Works
Xbox One: Doesn't work

Troll smarter, not harder. Snrkt :D
Kayant  +   833d ago
And we are done here until launch day to see if any of this is true.
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R_aVe_N  +   833d ago
I don't believe rumors, or employees of Microsoft/Sony. The proof will be in the pudding so to speak we will all find out at launch so only a few weeks to go.
WeAreLegion  +   833d ago
This is the only comment we need. Until launch, we won't know.
corvusmd  +   833d ago
I'm starting to think that MS execs should even waste their breath anymore. Any sane person sees that all these "rumors" are just that...not a single one has been proven or has a credible source, it's all just fanboy whining and smear campaigning. Things can no doubt go wrong during a build up to launch...that's why it's an R&D phase...thinking that Sony has no hiccups is just as dumb. Other than the Sony fanboy trolls that WANT MS to fail with the XB1...everyone else sees that the trolls are just trolls, and if there are no issues...after the system launches...what will it matter??? Watch...ironically all these issues happen on PS4...that'd be hillarious. The only thing that is annoying about this is how ignorant and hypocritical our younger generations keep proving themselves to be. Factless rumor based on incomplete information from a nameless souce....FACT!!! As long as it makes PS4 look good and XB1 look bad....An actual Dev/Exec says something good about XB1 or bad about PS4 (or that they are just similar) "they don't know what they are talking about, of course they would say's a cover up" It's so's scary that these kids will vote someday.
jimbobwahey  +   833d ago
These kids that don't believe every line of nonsense spewed from some corporate suit will vote someday? Oh no, the horror.
n4rc  +   833d ago
No.. The issue is they believe what suits their purpose..

Rumors are confirmed fact as long as its pro Sony or anti Microsoft.. As soon as its the opposite, its all lies and they "learn" to question everythig...

Sorry... That convienent logic does t fly in the real word..

You don't want people like that voting on anything that matters
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andibandit  +   833d ago

Of course they shouldnt, but going the completely opposite direction, believing every rumour out there is equally stupid.

Right now theres a rumour going around that ghosts will be 720p on xboxone.......on these comment sections its apparently an absolute fact.....
christocolus  +   833d ago
dude i agree with you..n4g has some of the worst fanboy/hypocrites you'll ever see...yoshida debunks a rumor recently and they are all like high fiving and all that bs(without xbx fans disturbing thier bromance) but phil spencer debunks a rumor and they are running about an xbox article like headless chickens on steroids infecting all they touch..phil and the team should stay focused and ignore them..theyve done a terrific job so far.cant wait to get my hands on the console, my friends and i are going to be heating up xbx live on the 22nd with ryse and cod..why fbs worry so much is beyond me&the funny thing is that this has nothing to do with the ps4.. they sure like taking painkillers for other peoples headaches......smh
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abc1233  +   833d ago
What? The COD 720p rumour has had so many sources now that, along with MS' silence, makes it highly likely to be true.
stuna1  +   833d ago
Boy these people crack me up! This situation is like having a Tuna cassarole sitting in front of you and the fanboys removing the peas with their fork, because they don't like them! That is what has been happening day 1 since Micosoft unveiling, 24 hour check-in that's a pea, remove it, required Kinects, that's a pea remove it, games being downgraded from what they originally were supposed to be, oops another pea remove it, now problems with the OS, I guess this is yet another pea to be remove! The only ones moving the goalpost are Microsoft themselves!


You're absolutely right right, but the sad truth is that most don't want to acknowledge when the truth is spoken, because they seem to think that it somehow makes them less of a person.
isa_scout  +   833d ago
While I do agree that trolls are trolls, and a lot of idiots want MS to fail(competition is good for the industry) I also think the older generation is quite daft when it comes to these things as well. I'm a grown man with two children, and I would never teach them to wish misfortune on others just to prove a point like you so elequently put it,"Watch...ironically all these issues happen on PS4...that'd be hillarious."
Why would it be hilarious? This time next month some people will go the Playstation route and some will go the XOne route. While I'm a Playstation fan; all I'm hoping for next month is that ALL of us have a hella good time.
I'm trying to put this in a respectful way, but the only way to say it is, it does no good to call people trolls and devolve into trolling yourself. I find it scary that apparently you're already voting.
objectivePSfan  +   833d ago
interesting how he didn't flat out say the rumors are false, he jumped around the issue.
Niv  +   833d ago
This is getting embarrassing
Sven Benoit  +   833d ago
Yeah you are absolutely right, this website is with its repetitive and ridiculous articles everyday
Avernus  +   833d ago
I came for the comments. *grabs popcorn*
MasterCornholio  +   833d ago
Why didn't he just say, "Those rumors are false"?

Seriously he didn't even deny them which worries me.

Nexus 7 2013
tudors  +   833d ago
How is saying the rumors are false not denying it?
MasterCornholio  +   833d ago
Let me clarify myself.

He could have said that there are no issues with the OS or Xbox Live which would debunk the rumors unless Microsoft was trying to con their customers by providing false information on their product.

Nexus 7 2013
Niv  +   833d ago
I don't see every tom, dick and Harry posting these rumors.
mhunterjr  +   833d ago
Gotta love this site.rumours from anonymous sources against ms = gospel. MS response = lie.
BobBelcher  +   833d ago
lol... CBOAT.
tracyllrkn  +   833d ago
I don't understand how it's so hard to just deny it. If it's false, just say it. He could've debunked this rumor right on Twitter. But since he says nothing, people are going to assume it's true.
TheKingWilliamV  +   833d ago
If Ghost didn't run at 720p as well as BF4 I'm certain Xbox One would state it. There dodging the issue, upclocks,driver issues and borrowing 10% from Kinect for Cpu/gpu the writings on the wall. Buyer beware!!!!!!
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mikeboccher  +   833d ago
what do you mean borrowing 10% from the kinect??
tudors  +   833d ago
Get over yourselves please! on the grand scale of things it means sweet 'F' all.
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WeAreLegion  +   833d ago
What did I just read?
tudors  +   833d ago
NeoTribe  +   833d ago
You realise its not this site that makes this stuff up right? There's negative xbox articles and reads everywhere gaming related. Go check out reddit, youtube, ign, machinima. Everywhere. Xbox has pulled some shitty buisness practices and are gonna be paying for it for a good while. Why do you think sony trys everything they can to please the consumer? You piss off the consumer and get on there bad side, they will publicly bash the product and promote its failure. The consumer always wins.
tudors  +   833d ago
I am by no means pro Microsoft, in fact I think mister gates is a bit of a sly one, but I just don't see what everyone is getting all worked up about, I for one will take the thing right back if it turns out to be rubbish but we are just at the start, and it must be really annoying to hardware makers and devs alike when they are working their little booty's off only to see all this negative press, of course I myself do not want to be ripped off, but nobody really knows anything for sure yet, it's just speculation, and the 720p v 1080p thing is so trivial I just cannot be bothered.
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Funantic1  +   833d ago
There are too many rumors for MS to clarify each one. Most of these lies are made up by people who really want to see the X1 fail. There are too many "insiders" who claim things and can't prove it. If they were really "insiders" the would have more concrete proof. Most of the videos I've seen of the X1 look great. But MS will still be working out kinks nonstop up until launch. I honestly didn't think that Battlefield 3 would be ready when it released based on all the glitches on the beta but they pushed hard and got it done. Rockstar is still working out GTA 5 issues online. That's how it goes. Sony has their own issues too I'm sure. MS has almost a month left to go and plenty of resources. They'll quadruple their workforce if they have to. Now it's too late to make most people who preordered a X1 or PS4 back out now. But look at how desperate fanboys can get.
Muerte2494  +   833d ago
Please show us the video of someone booting up the OS. Joining game in progress, meassaging, and not some footage released by Microsoft. We've already seen Ps4 OS a couple of times. Lmao even Phil Spencer couldn't provide a link.
drsfinest72  +   833d ago
Lol sources don't add up. People it's a rumor Lmfaoo
ghostrider32  +   833d ago
Those Uchias never give up. They just wanna see competition fail and a monopoly established.
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pyramidshead  +   833d ago
No-one would admit these problems, if Sony were facing this sort of stuff too(which they are, actually), they wouldn't admit it either lol.
Grown Folks Talk  +   833d ago
All I know is, whether 720, 900, or 1080p, the games will look worlds better than what we're playing now. if BF4 looks as good as the single player video they released the other week, it's good enough for me. Especially since things will only get better.
MCTJim  +   833d ago
Once again, these two guys post rumors to offset anything negative about Sony...yes there has been a trend. I bet at best, both of them are GameStop employees. CBoat has been off since before make generalizations and get a partial hit..that to them on NeoGaf makes him an insider who knows someone who know someone who works in the mailroom at said company. If there is a rumor, there is no need to defend yourself against a rumor. I know I wouldnt respond to it..cause all it does is feed the trolls who then twist the words you have given, so why give yourself a headache over it.

I will again wait for the official announcement from the dispel the rumor...if they choose to respond.
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True_Samurai  +   833d ago
He is right "people can post anything on the web" it doesn't matter if he does deNY it or not. The rumors are just gonna keep coming. It's mighty funny this Famous guy who I've never heard of on Gaf All of sudden has the most credibility because of a little track record? If this guy has so much insider why can't he give confirmed sources instead the usual I know someone. And please fanboys logical reasonings. Not the Well MS hasn't denied it! Oh please the company could come out and deny every single rumor and you guys would go "He does work for MS duh of course he's gonna say that!"
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buynit  +   833d ago
Well I've heard that neogaf and cboat are really Santa Monica and polyphony devs... I've also heard that they love jack thompson and fully support him..
Sadist3  +   833d ago
Hey, I'm guessing you guys on here know more about the Xbox than Phil, who is a Microsoft employee, does. You don't know if there are issues with XBL or not. All you do is read and believe everything people say. You guys are very gullible, probably believe in fairy tales still.
shadyiswin  +   833d ago
love how sony fan boys are all over xbox one news every single time it looks to be negative lol,why do you car about xbox one so much if you are getting the amazing but boring ps4? shouldn't you be reading reviews of killzone and knack?

Everyone knows xbox live is a power house and it will be up and running just fn come 11/22
TristanPR77  +   833d ago
I will buy a PS4, but if I saw all this Mess with Sony I would hold, analyze What's going on and wait. I wouldn't be a blind customer giving my money for bad products. On the other hand, you seem to have a blind faith in Microsoft, you prefer to ignore everything that is going on and pretend this is all made up by Sony fanboys.

Grow up!!! Have the balls to see what's going on and buy using your brain, not your blind faith in a company like Microsoft that have lie many times to their customers and treat them like a bag of S...
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BattleTorn  +   833d ago
Lies, lies, lies - eh?

Or it is that every time they speak people are quick to "of course he's gonna say that!!!" with MS
Gamer666  +   833d ago
You would never buy any smart phones, computers, or consoles if you saw what is happening in the background to make them work.

Why do you think that every X1 and PS4 are slated for day one firmware updates? These companies will work until a day or two before the actual release to squash every bug and issue possible. And then they will continue squashing bugs and issues for at least 3-6 months after release.

To me, this shows that MS is not satisfied with XBL success to date and they are pushing to the next level.
Gamer666  +   833d ago
You have to be nice to Sony fanboys. Since they are just getting re-releases of PC indie titles, a bunch of multi-platform releases, and Killzone, Knack, and Resogun as their only true launch exclusives they have nothing better to do than surf the net and jump into Xbox news articles and try and raise fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

Meanwhile X1 buyers will be experiencing the many exclusive games of DR3, Forza 5, Ryse, Lococycle, Crimson Dragon, Fighter Within, and Killer Instinct 3 as their launch exclusives.

Really it is quite sad... Seeing them so passionate that their purchase is the only one that could possibly make sense. I don't know what Sony does to brainwash the Sony Nation but it is very effective.

And before people go and call me an X1 fanboy... I buy every console and play the games on them... I have no loyalty. I just like to play great new games. Of which Sony is really lacking at launch.
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jessupj  +   833d ago
My gosh. MS fanboys like you are the absolute worst. Don't kid yourself that just because you're getting all consoles you're not.

Don't know if you realise, but there's this little thing called 'the next few years after launch'. I find it quite pathetic how so many MS fanboys focus on the launch games when they literally account for less than 1% of the games that are going to be released in the consoles lifetime.

I'm still going to have plenty of true, quality exclusives to play at launch, but I'm also going to have many more after launch.

I can't say the say thing about the xbone. MSs track record says they will abandon the core customers halfway through the generation.

I guess when ms fanboys finally get some exclusives it's such a rare event thy want to shout it from the roof tops.

I find it truly amazing that anyone could blindly defend MS after trying to destroy console gaming with DRM. I guess some people just have absolutely no standards.
Gamer666  +   832d ago

Why wouldn't I get a PS4? I am a gamer. I will still enjoy Killzone, Knack, and Resogun... I won't bother with the indie ports because I've already played most of them on PC.

As for the DRM thing. We are already seeing MS was on the right track. While music and video enthusiasts have adopted DRM to the max, and Steam has had DRM since inception, console gamers seem to think this is an unviable, foreign concept. By the end of this generation anti-DRM folks will look like fools.

As for abandonment. Sony abandons gamers at generation starts and comes like a knight in shining armor midway through. MS starts the generation and continues steadily from there. Sony's launch lineup is Dead on Arrvial. And Sony is already up to their old tricks of "stringing" gamers along with the delay of DriveClub. Remember, way back in 2003 before this last gen started and they showed the awesome graphics that would launch with the PS3 on Killzone 2? Then, it got delayed, and delayed, and delayed... By the time it launched Killzone 2 was on par with Halo 3 and CoD... It is a sad, sorry, story they constantly tell and blind the Sony Nation with. By the way, how is Last Guardian doing? Oh yeah that one has been delayed for what; 5 years now?

Exclusives are rare for XB? MS' console is a year older than PS3, so while the perception is they are shipping less when you align console years and game IPs they are fairly equal...

Sony had Unchartered, XB had Gears of War, Sony had God of War, XB had Alan Wake, Sony had Killzone, XB had Halo, Sony had No Ni Kuni, XB had Lost Odyssey, Sony had inFamous, XB had Crackdown, Sony had GT, XB had Forza, Sony also had Last of Us, Ratchet/Clank, etc. but XB had games like Project Gotham Racing, Blue Dragon, etc. as well. And so it goes... Sony fanboys believe XB owners starved last gen, while in reality they enjoyed just as many new and quality IPs as Sony fanboys.

And lets talk about company morales for a sec... X360 had RRoD. MS fixed/replaced those consoles no questions asked for a cost of $1.1 billion dollars off their profits they reaped from gamers. That is customer service. I had to RRoD's, sent both back in a white coffin and they were fixed in 5 days. Then, Sony promises the moon and keeps moving or taking it away... Home was going to be the future of social networking, dual-boot was a required feature but got removed, they abandoned BC after just a year, only to start re-releasing collections of old games as new games on the PS3... And remember the 3 weeks every Sony gamer spent without PSN? No wonder they don't want an online console, Sony can't keep their network consistently up for the whole generation.

You have to realize that they are two different companies with two different styles. While Sony fanboys don't look out and see the whole world like people in the 18th century thought the world was flat, XB, PC, and Nintendo gamers don't care... They buy games and consoles of all types because they care more for the games than the console's brand.
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