In light of the PS3 video service and a major movie studio announcement, this editorial explores how Sony's PS3 is a more successful Trojan horse than Microsoft's console.
... which is basically that now you kinda 'lose' your online-bought content, when your console breaks down and gets replaced. Also, as long as buying something online isnt cheaper than buying the 'real' version in the store, why would we bother!? DLC is only a plus when it's cheaper, and when it STAYS yours, even when your console breaks down, or when in a few years time you move on to the next-gen consoles...
Microsoft knows it, Sony knows it and, so do investors. Know why? because more content is added "daily" with a huge ammount of studio and network support. Example 1: Guitar Hero, 3+ million songs sold. Example 2: 1 million COD4 map pack downloads in one day. The marketplace is sailing not sinking, if were sinking then they would be jumping off, not jumping in. :)
What do you mean by kinda? What you meant to say was you do not loose your online content you just have to redownload it. But on the other hand on stuff you have to redownload on a different machine it makes acrcade games trial unless you are signed into to live with your orginal account. So you do not loose your online content on XBL. Man you people really need to do your research before posting. If you dont own the console then why are you posting about false stuff about it.
that what called business, company these day care about making money, because the digital distribution such as games contents you've mention is pure gold to the company when it come gaining profit with less expense from the company so yeah I would say this would be a great choice for business/inverter to make
just a few hours ago u had 2 bubbles and come u have 5 bubbles now?
Thats some other person, some nut crackpot. He has like 5 accounts mocking me. Whats realy sad is it's the same guy, and he's been running around giving people + and - on bubbles, using those 5 accounts. There is only one Jason 360 and I don't use multi accounts. I think that guy is off his medication, or someone accidentally let him out of his cage. You know I fear that if I piss the guy off to bad, he might climb a clocktower, go postal, and start sniping people. He goes by Jason 180 Jayson 360 J4son 360 Jason 36O
hahaha i just love fanboy imposters makes me laugh everytime. This guy makes it sound easy. Considering SCEA and the other studios have had a lot of trouble coordinating into something profitable for a long time i can definitely see them having friction at first. Howard Stringer will have to step in to set the whole thing up but yea sony does have the advantage. They will also be creating key relationships with studios due to them owning blu ray and all but it still won't be that easy but it can definitely be done
I said 'KINDA', cause you do 'kinda' lose your bought DLC. You'll have to be logged into XBL, in order to access your bought games etc. Ofcourse, for many its no problem being 'logged in' non-stop, but still... there are those who dont want to be constantly online, and TBH why should you HAVE to be logged in, in order to play your own bought DLC!?
@ Yi-Long - Yup, MS needs to fix the DRM issue, but you ask why would someone bother. The same comparison for CD's and MP3's.
You better start building it 3yrs ago Sony.
is just another format. It's not going to excel enough right away to stop physical media. I know it's something that will happen but, it's got some years before it takes off. The MP3 hasn't even killed the CD yet. People aren't using DLC for dvd's enough to impact a much smaller form of media as well. What makes you think DLC will take down an expanding BD market? Like I said ... it's going to happen. It's just not happening now. If Sony's doing this to get, "their toes wet," they're doing it at the right time.
Sony = major studio support without doing anything. Other studios they're close to follow suit. They have the backing of all the studios on Marketplace including themselves. Microsoft can't compete with Sony on the movies front, because Sony will never support their download service over their own which they control.
All they need are the studios they have already secured, Sony is one studio and not even the biggest, majority rules. Thats how they beat HD DVD :)
I think a lot of studios would sign up to a Sony service through the PS3 as well because of the Blu-ray/download option. It has both potential audiences covered. I'm basing this entirely on stipulation. I don't really care about digital distribution bar making sure it's offered as nothing more than an option and not a replacement for physical media.
i doubt that. why would they digitally distribute movies when they have a blueray player already built in. thatll completely defeat the purpose and make blueray player usless. not to mention they already make tons of cash from blue ray movies.
I don't think digital distribution would deem blu ray useless at all. All it would do is expand the the horizons of choices which the consumers could make. It wouldn't be confusing either seeing as there's only two decisions to make. All it would really be doing is catering to the consumers preference. when it comes to movies, I prefer a physical copy so I, myself, will not be buying much in terms of video content on the store but many others will.
I can see this happening in the future, but not while they're still trying to gain market awareness and adoption of BR. I still have a thing for physical media which I can't move away from right now or in the near future.
...DLC will be here Besides that the same ol Bs of when it will take off and all that jazz..Everyone is gonna get into it, eventually. Just think music cd's before you talk about regular movies. Same will happen with faster speeds and new tech.
I'm not so sure. Music is different, people want music on the move, to use it in the gym or at work. An MP3 player allows you to carry huge volumes of music on a tiny device. The ipod played a huge part in pushing music digital, using its itunes. Also we're talking very small files, which you can download in seconds. Movies are a whole different matter, downloading them is still tiresome especially if you don't have a good connection. People don't need to be able to carry them around like music. Who watches a film while jogging? People like to show their movies off as a collection or whatever. Plus, you go find the average guy/girl in the street and try and explain Digital Download to them, they'll just go to BlockBusters thanks. Thats forgetting the problems with copyright and DRM. Done get me wrong, DD's slice will get bigger, but for the foreseeable future, blu-ray has the majority of the pie.
there will be little devices that enable you to carry movies, which will also plug into universal connections on TVs and such for playback. Internet speeds will get better and cheaper with more competition.(how ever long that takes) New technology will enable the download of movies very fast. MP3 are degraded and no one really cares, at least eh average user, does not care that their music is 128kbs. Only the hardcore music guy. So the same will happen for movies, not everyone will care about a 1080P pictures so the movies will be smaller. Cd's/Downloads can co-exist just as well as DLC movies will. Fishy - "Who watches a film while jogging? " Well that's so obvious no one does that. Since you wouldn't be able to see where you going, if you have your eyes on the screen silly. Now, I do and have used my Ipod , Blackberry, Creative MP3 player, and other portable video devices for videos. Plus who needs Moving parts (CD spinning) which kills batteries..keeps it digital and you will save Battery with flash drives/chips/SSD. It's the Future.. I hate Cds, and would rather travel with a mini-drive/Key that carries all my films instead of a cd case. That's how I see it happening. you may think otherwise, but I'm for technology, while most doubt, in the name of fanboyism.
No no, I completely agree with what your saying. I just think it's going to be sometime before the masses except it, just because some people find tech scary and discs are familiar and comfortingly easy. My view is though that if I'm spending all this money I want the best, uncompressed 1080p audio and visual. 1080p is important, the average size TV for a living space is what 32" minimum. It's actually pretty hard to find a new model that isn't 1080p in that size range. I'm not against DD, not at all, when they provide the quality of blu-ray and 50meg+ lines are cheap i'll be on them like a rash. Oh and cheap ass terabite HDD's.
"My view is though that if I'm spending all this money I want the best, uncompressed 1080p audio and visual. 1080p is important, the average size TV for a living space is what 32" minimum. It's actually pretty hard to find a new model that isn't 1080p in that size range." I just don't think your view is quite a reflection, of the "Casual Masses". Obviously you always want the best. You are def not the "Average Joe". There are 2 sides of this thing. I think the Music scene is a great model for the Video "DLC" future architecture, because the only issues are size of movies and broadband speeds. Like I said about most MP3 quality, not being super and Broadband, as far as I know is not taken steps back and will only improve. I just don't think the Masses care for 1080P & 7.1 sound, as is, everyone will have some type of Movie setup with 7+ speakers in every house. Any how this makes for great discussions as I love technology..
I just want to add some thought to the conversation. I bought a new 40' Sony HDTV E-series during Christmas and I actually show it to a bunch of my friends, who are absolute can be considered as casual. They actually notice the different between 720p and 1080p. What I am trying to get to is that, when you come things that involve something that very explicit like visual sense, human tend to be more sensitive. If you ask any average Joe, they wouldn't know the different between MP3 that encode in 128k or 64k but the same Joe can tell the different between 480p and 1080p.
Sony is wasting their time if they want to bring downloads to the PS3. I'm not interested in downloads for movies and TV. That's one of the reasons I got a PS3 was because of the blu-ray.
I just hope they bring the prices down for DLC or at least only charge for HD tv shows and not standard! Also it would be cool to sell your games online kind of like at gamestop but get more for what you payed!
They already have a blu ray player built into the PS3, why wouldn't they just add digitally downloaded hd movies and shows? It wouldn't be hard for them to improve on what Microsoft has done, they have overwhelming studio support, and they have plenty of time.
Yes & I think thats the difference between the two companies approach. Sony will give consumers choices, while Microsoft will try to enforce there product.
lmao i thought it was talking about a virus for the ps3 at first sight! thew!, i doubt the PS3 will ever be hacked, its way more secure than the 360 that has already been hacked a while ago, my friend had a "chipped" 360
They said i was Crazy when i made the PS3 but it does EVERYTHING!!! ;-P They WILL EAT their WORDS!!! ;-D PS3 = Trojan Horse xBox 360 = Trojan Donkey!!! ;-D
Lmao, I thought so too. I was like 'Oh crap, not this too'.
unless its alot cheaper then the retail box then its a waste of money.
A lot of ppl are saying Sony already has a blu ray player, so why do they want to mess w/ Digital Downloads(DD)? Fact of the matter is, Hi-Def media requires uncompressed data, if you download a movie in SD rather than HD you can cut the time in 1/2. Blu Ray caters to hi-def better than DD's at this point. One thing I find interesting though is that if M$ is so heavily invested in DD's why do they equip the 360 with such a small HDD? I've been told that you can only download files from market place through an Xbox with a proprietary Xbox HDD. Doesn't exaclty leave you w/ much space leftover. W/ PS3 I can buy a 300gb HDD cheaper that the proprietary Xbox 120gb HDD. Not to mention I store all my non-game related files on an external HDD. Can you use an External HDD w/ XBL market place?
Well thats because by the time they bring the proper digital download setup they will have a new xbox console in the market;)
Digital Downloads will get common as the time goes by, but right now, I don't see it happening in the next 2-3 years at the very minimum. Why because we don't have the infrastructure that supports such a system. How many of you will download a 50 gig or 100 gig movie on your current internet setup? Plus if you are paying the same cost as you are paying with the physical medium then whats the point?
That they call this a Trojan horse. I'm sorry, but that seems a bit misleading since this is what many of us want anyway and that the computers today and internet connections have been doing this sort of thing for months now. Is it really so bad that both MS and Sony are bringing to our living rooms what we all want? If Sony can do it and do it cheaper then that would encourage MS to lower their prices and supply us with more reliable consoles. To that I can safely say that competition would benefit us all. To call it something as dismal as the Trojan horse is just plain silly. Next thing you know, anybody that delivers pizza to your door will be considered a Trojan horse for pepperoni...
They know what they are doing.
welcome to xbox live customer support what seems to be the problem, frozen screen xbox live wont connect I SEE 3 FLASHING RED LIGHTS. LOL
Why do you look like a transvestite hooker?
My favorite TV shows, and hopefully they'll actually have a diverse lineup of content. Having up to date episodes of stuff like Lost is great since I don't always have time to watch shows at specific times, but they should also experiment with shows like Gossip Girl (for example) to draw in users who can't find similar content on Xbox Live. Hell, even some Discovery Channel HD content would probably sell well. Oh, and they better have Robot Chicken!
Give us Robot Chicken!!!
@Yi-Long "Also, as long as buying something online isnt cheaper than buying the 'real' version in the store, why would we bother!??" Some of the reason that 360 users are paying the same if not a little more for DLC is because sony has the rights to a LOT of media. So we are, in a way, paying for the actual content rights tax two times. Hopefully, Sony will only charge us the one fee, which should make it cheaper by a long shot. Plus, as I own all next gen consoles, I can say that MS seem to charge me for EVERYTHING I DO anyway, so you can be that Sony will be cheaper a whole in the first place :)
erm....aren't Sony already distributing their films via download through Xbox live marketplace? last time I looked MGM have struck a deal with Microsoft to distribute content, and MGM are owned by Sony. Now that is a Trojan horse in the true sense of the word.
I agree, I'm just speaking from a econ point of view on it (Maybe ignorantly). I'm not disputing the fact that media content is available, it certainly is. I'm only saying that if I made software. I'd sell it to you for, and this is completely arbitrary. 100 dollars... if you then resold it. It would have to be more than that to make it worth your time in dealing with it. I'm viewing it as wholesale and resale so to speak (again perhaps ignorantly as I'm only a simple accountant) :)
and I own a PS3
Digital Distribution is the future... I don't care where it come from... Kudos to Sony for understanding and start moving away from the inevitable death of physical distribution. Sadly... we shouldn't expect much from Sony when it comes to this for a few years... just like PSN it will take Sony a while to be capable of providing a full featured service... As proven by PSN it takes time to build these kind of services.... It took microsoft years to get xbox live to what it is today regardless of the resources, self maintainable (People pay for the service) and yet they have lots of room to improve... Just like PSN playing online is not enough... downloading movies is not enough.. "How many of you will download a 50 gig or 100 gig movie on your current internet setup?" haha! not me... because I don't have to... a 720P movie on xbox live is like 5GB-8GB... it uses silverlight technology which streams and I can start waching the movie (obviously without being able to fast forward until the download is complete) within 2 minutes of purchasing the movie.... ohh yeah... isn't that something... I dare I watch 720P movies instead of 1080P movies? well.. because 720P for rental is great... did you also know that 2009 the government (US) is requiring TV network to switch to HD... 720P NOT 1080P.... how will you survive without 1080P? 1080 is not the default HD res.... is 720P... digital distribution does not need to support 1080P... most HD TVs do not support 1080P.... unless you have a large TV which most people don't (51'+) you are wasting your money.... do you know how many people still watch 480i/p TV? 99%... including yourselves that have HD TVs... 720P is a big jump... no one will complain having 720P movies until bandwidth is fast enough for 1080P... because no matter what is better than what they have now... so please stop acting as if 1080P is the only way to watch a movie... because it does not matter how much of a blu-ray fanboy you are... you will watch more non 1080P TV than anything else... are you planning to buy a blu-ray disc for everything you watch on TV? if not it will burn your eyes?
Sony has already beaten Microsoft in the high-definition format war, with its proprietary Blu-ray Disc stomping Microsoft's HD-DVD alliance off the market. Now Sony appears to be targeting digital distribution as well, treading heavily on territory that Microsoft currently rules in the console space. Sony's online gaming network still lags far behind Microsoft's Xbox Live, but where the money really lies -- in digital distribution -- Sony is essentially already on par with its competitor. Microsoft's existing partnerships have filled its Xbox Live library with downloadable movies and shows. But Sony is its own partnership, and the minute it decides to make movie and TV content available via the PlayStation Store, that critical mass will bring Sony immediately up to speed with Microsoft's years-in-the-making coalition. 1080P IS MUCH BETTER THAN 720P,I LOVE WATCHING BLURAY MOVIES IN FULL HD,NOT AN ULTRA COMPRESSED HD MOVIE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN 720P.
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So you realy are a transvestite hooker? and a cheap one by the looks of it. Kinda looks like you fell out of a Final Fantasy game, and right into a pile of glitter and gayness.
What Sony is doing with the Blu-Ray movies, having the option to transfer to a digital medium...is downright brilliant. Thats what I want, the OPTION to have a digital copy, not completely replace the hard copy.
In 2009 the switch will be to Digital, not Hi def.
Exactly,On February 17, 2009, all TV stations must switch their analog signals to digital.
But being able to view downloaded Movie/TV content from your PS3 onto your PSP from anywhere in the world (through the Remote Play function) is a huge advantage that Microsoft simply cannot touch.
Unless that is part of their new Zune initiative. Who knows?
I didn't think of that. And I guess, from recent news, apparently also into an iPhone. How dope is that?
I admire Sony's intelligence. They know exactly what they're doing.
im not big on movie rental downloads. I would rather have the disk. I have been collecting movies for years and i will continue to buy movies for my collection but i do understand whats nice about downloading a movie for rent. I will sometimes get movies on pay per view through my cable provider. If you have tivo or a set up to record TV then DD for rental will remian a niche crowd...IMO
Plus the media powerhouses of Sony BMG, Sony Pictures, Sony Pictures (television), Columbia, MGM, and shares in dual house productions from other major movie studios. Online movies made $95 million last year as opposed to $23.4 Billion for discs. Online movies are expected to grow to $6 Billion by 2010. And Blu-ray will be far higher than online movie growth by 2010. Sony is in the perfect condition to reap a large share. And their momentum in digital distribution should benefit Microsoft's growth as well. It will benefit the whole industry.
I understand the quality issue, not everyone will want 1080p or 7.1, but tons of people are going to want huge chunk of information that will be on blu ray, among that data being, motion code,all the extras, and 3D spec for tvs that support(that's just around the corner). Right Blu Ray is in its infancy, but don't forget its a means to bring people back to movies, and it has to do it by offering what dvds don't, digital downloads are basically going to offer the standard viewing, because for a long that's all it will be able to handle.
Pft. More sucessful? Nothing like comparing a service that doesn't exist to a PROVEN successful service like Xbox Video Marketplace. MS has partnerships locked in well beyond what $ony's own studios offer. PSN is so full of fail.
It doesn't matter, DD is just something I wouldn't prefer over owning the physical media.
Personally, I don't care about DLC in the least. I never buy addon packs or expansion packs or any other kind of packs. I want physical copies of what I buy. Not to mention, I don't have the bandwidth to make digital distribution practical. Sheesh, it takes me 45 minutes to download 250MB. I think I'll stick with physical media.
DD has several hurdles to overcome before it becomes mainstream. http://hornymelon.com/?p=77 Mainly, bandwidth, cost, and conveince.
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