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Submitted by black0o 436d ago | news

Microsoft Just Edges Sony in ABI Research’s; Nintendo a Distant 3rd

Sony fell to second in the game console assessment in part because key PlayStation 4 (PS4) differentiators like cloud gaming are still untested (and won’t be fully available at launch), but largely because Microsoft has shown more features on the broader entertainment front (e.g. hybrid premium/OTT services). Nintendo secured the third position but a significant gap remains between it and market leaders. (PS4, Wii U, Xbox One)

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yellowgerbil  +   436d ago | Well said
first. I don't trust the legitimacy of any website that has Popup ads. Second. Who the hell is ABI, any credibility they had was gone the second they said the deciding factore was TV Apps.
fardan85  +   436d ago
Crappy website looking for hits.
I just tried their source, there's nothing about PS4/Xb1/WiiU.
theBAWSE  +   436d ago
can't wait for these consoles to be released in a month.. and specs officially torn down

then sites like this claiming similar in power etc will have to find a new way to earn that Microsoft dollar and help MICROSOFTS cause and spread misinformation
BBBirdistheWord   436d ago | Off topic | show
fardan85  +   436d ago
@ theBAWSE

One month remaining, we will get a clear idea about what's inside the consoles. Hopefully the console war will stop after that and we will just enjoy our games on our preferred console.

@ BBBirdistheWord

I'm not sure what's wrong with you. The article is written by some delusional person, I checked the author source, there's nothing in there. You should try by yourself. Don't fall to stupid tricks.
ezop  +   436d ago | Well said
didn't look very hard did you, its on there main page "bottom left article"

https://www.abiresearch.com...
4Sh0w   436d ago | Off topic | show
BBBirdistheWord  +   436d ago | Well said
@ fardan

I checked the links:

https://www.abiresearch.com...
It appears this company has been providing analytical research for 23 years. Hardly a 'crappy website'

Most importantly, here's the link with the info on ps4/xb1 that you could not find. It took about ten seconds for me to find on the abi website.
https://www.abiresearch.com...

You don't need to apologise to me as you demonstrated EXACTLY the fanboy behaviour that I was talking about and you proved my point nicely for all to see.
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fardan85  +   436d ago
@ ezop
Thanks for the post, I admit that I didn't bother to look hard. Don't have the mood to do that.
Apology to the author with the website.

bub+

OT: they are saying "Sony fell to second in the game console assessment in part because key PlayStation 4 (PS4) differentiators like cloud gaming are still untested (and won’t be fully available at launch)", Did MS showed demonstration for cloud uses on games?

@ 4Sh0w

I'm sorry that I don't fit for your "fanboy label", You know you could have done a better thing by just pointing out that the source is valid, just like what the guy with the comment above you did.
I don't care about who "win" the war, I care about making a decision, if I should buy "insert console name" or not.
Try to be helpful instead of whatever you're trying to be.
GiggMan  +   436d ago
The "researchers" seem to be going off of bullet points and PR talk to make their decision. I seriously doubt they had hands on with either product.

Microsoft's cloud theory when it comes to gaming is just that, theory's not proving (yet). The TV functionality is not available to all at launch either (which I still don't get). If that's the case then they should factor in Sony's Gaikai service that hasn't been proven yet also. (Honestly I don't know if they did or not because there was no break down of the decision making process in the article. lol.)

It is what it is though, a Competitive Assessment and not a review. People still on the fence should wait for actual hands on reviews.
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stevehyphen  +   436d ago
I'm not going to attack the website, but I'll choose to debate its claims.

I don't automatically assume that Xbox One is the better rounded entertainment device. I would assume that if a casual buyer wants to purchase one of these consoles, then any unbiased rep should point them towards ps4. They have the same media apps, but the cheaper console doesn't require its own subscription to use those apps. And, for current gen: bluray.

Also, I live in Canada. I'm already assuming that "not available at launch" really means it'll probably be a year or more. Canada is one of those markets where 360 is very much ahead of ps3, so it matters. I'm not faulting Microsoft on this as it's Canada itself. (I'm still waiting on Google to come through on their play music licensing here, and that's been over a year now. Netflix is comparatively awful, too, and there's a reason everyone proxies to get US Netflix here.)

Sony are a major publisher of media, and they are actively trying to secure one of the biggest content deals ever. Here's something to consider: SCE is not the one doing this deal. I'm assuming it is Sony's publishing arm. There's no guarantee that this deal will only profit one console. I believe that this deal is part of an attempt to take on Netflix, and as such would be available on every device they can reach.

I don't even know where in going with this or why I'm in bed doing this on a Saturday morning; so, I'll leave it at that.
Sono421  +   436d ago
Their source has zero credibility... I found one list on the entire site that even had the Xbox One and PS4 in it and it had them both listed at the same spot and had horrible gaming devices ive never even heard of at the top of the list while valve's steambox was somewhere near the bottom.. Also at the bottom of the article it says "GAME MARKET STILL MICROSOFT'S, NINTENDO'S, AND SONY'S TO LOSE" like wtf? How do they lose? anyways see for yourself..

https://www.abiresearch.com...

I would say this site is anything BUT reliable and I don't even see where the guy who made this article got the information he's talking about.. it is literally nowhere to be found on this site.

Can we get this reported already?
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GameNameFame  +   435d ago
Just out of curiosity. You say this is reputable site and such.

How about tons of other reputable site saying otherwise?

-Tons of site talked to devs and they all said PS4 is far more powerful.
-Sales Analytics done by big firms.
-and spec that was shown.

All those are reputable. However, you desperately cling to one article over all those floods of articles.

And most of those are from reputable sites.
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darkride66  +   435d ago
I'm in the same boat as stevehyphen. As a Canadian, all the Xbox One's television features are completely irrelevant as they're only for US markets. Personally, even if they were available in Canada I'd most likely never use them. The last thing I want is another device between me and my cable box adding another level of unnecessary complexity when all I want to do is watch television.

What this research should have done is measured the usefulness of the television features, and taken into account the availability of the features before ultimately making their conclusion.

If I'm faced with two toasters and one also doubles as a fax machine but only if you live in Scandinavia, I'm going to pick the toaster without fax. ABI might claim the Scandinavian Fax toaster is the better product overall, but that's not going to influence my purchasing decision. Obviously, I'm not going to shell out extra for features I neither want nor can use in my region.
pixelsword  +   435d ago
I can respect their conclusion since they do research as a business, but let's leave it at that and not read more into it than what it is: an opinion.

In any instance one being favored over another doesn't mean they're fake or lying, it doesn't mean that you will instantly enjoy one over the other more either; it's just an opinion.

What people aren't factoring is that they can't judge some features because the consoles aren't "up" yet, so the gap will either widen in Xbone's favor or the PS4 will over take the xbone.
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Sono421  +   435d ago
Can someone explain why they disagree with me? ^^

I even post a link as to why this source isn't credible and the fact that this guy is writing an article on something that doesn't even exist?

I atleast link the only list on the site that even mentions both consoles, so if your going to disagree atleast post a link showing this "supposed" list this guy is talking about.. and even if you somehow do.. (which I doubt you can)that would mean this site has 2 contradicting lists.. so how can you decide which one is legitimate? You xbox fanboys are seriously grasping for straws here.. tons of devs say PS4 > Xbox One then one article without a credible source says Xbox One > PS4 and that's what you go with? lol

and people say there's a playstation fanboy problem on this site... sheesh
wishingW3L  +   435d ago
@BBBirdistheWord

Welcome to N4G. ;)

BTW the only way you get bubbles here is through pandering. Defending Sony at all cost is what works the most if you want to rack up on some bubbles really fast. Especially if you're within the first few comments on a controversial article. XD
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BBBirdistheWord  +   435d ago
@ sono

https://www.abiresearch.com...

Here's the link to the article you cannot find, on which the article is based. Both sources are reputable and established.

The correct link has been posted numerous times now.
It honestly disappoints me that you have been unable to fathom your own mistake and then ask why you got disagrees...

Now that you have the link, why not consider debating the content constructively, such as stevehypen and others have done.
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CommonSense  +   435d ago
@BBBirdistheWord

you forgot to mention the part where they relentless downvote you and take your bubbles because you attempted to shatter their delusions.
NewMonday  +   435d ago
according to the article Microsoft just edges Sony because of TV and DVR, so for the wrong reasons as far as gamers are concerned.

and ABI admit they didn't fully test the complete PS4 features, so their judgment is flawed.

things like the clear disparity in quality of 3rd party games that will run better on the PS4 will only be undisputedly evident after the consoles launch

also when Gaikai starts next year the matter will be settled.
Drewidian  +   436d ago
So... I'm going to preface this as one of the people interested in TV, but what happens when MS forms partnerships with Cable or Satellite companies to sell the Xbox One on a 2 year contract for $99 - $199 down? They could even partner with a gym chain like Liftime fitness or LA fitness with a similar deal where you can get Xbox Live for free with these contracts and have access to a special class or consulting with a physical trainer who could group Skype with a class of up to 25 people and have a more personalized experience.

My point is that the Xbox One will in all likelihood appeal to a much broader audience than the PS4 simply because it has more functionality.

When you take into consideration that maybe Sony will sell 10 M PS4s world wide in the first year (Sony said 5M in the first 6 months is their goal so I doubled that)and that there are some 800M cable/satellite subscribers world wide, and that there are over 45M gym memberships in the US alone, you can understand that the broader market appeal is why they give the edge to Xbox One over the life of the console since the PS4 primarily does gaming, and may have some streaming services that will also be available on the Xbox one with one exception to date while MS has many more streaming services. I'm just saying the Xbox One will have a broader appeal to average people than the PS4.
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Parapraxis  +   436d ago
PS4 will have Netflix available to use, with no additional charges.
Youtube, HULU, etc, just like on PC.

You don't nee PS+ to use anything other than multiplayer with the PS4.
Combine that with a $100 less price tag, and I guarantee you joe schmo won't give two s**s about partnerships that MS has with anybody, let alone gyms.

Appeal to a broader audience? lol, sorry kid, but being $399 will be the greatest appeal, and when all the services that people already pay for are NOT behind a paywall, it will only look even more sensible of a purchase.

You can keep dreaming, it's all good, but if you honestly think MS' feeble attempts at locking down cable providers or NFL subscriptions will make any dent in their overall success you are greatly overestimating the general public's desire for "YEAAAH FOOTBALL entertainment" hubs, and greatly underestimating their ability to see the value difference offered between the PS4 and XBOX One, when Netflix subscriptions, and the like are considered, at a $100 lower price tag.
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black0o  +   436d ago
U are forgetting the fact that smart TVs can snap apps this days .. and the fact that xbone needs a cable box as well

why 'd someone pay 400$ extra to get almost the same experience which u get from app-tv and google-tv ???
Drewidian  +   436d ago
@parapraxis.

I'm not attacking you personally so please, let's be adults here and have logical debates.

I'm a gamer. I play PC, PS3, Xbox 350, I even got an Ouya just to try it out, and yes, I pay for PS+ and Xbox Live. For me and at least 40+M other Xbox gamers, the Live cost isn't a big deal since we freely pay for it.

I work out at a gym and have several friends who are instructors where I work out. They are all talking about setting up personal training classes based on the capability of being able to offer a unique personal experience to those who either don't want to go to the gym, are self conscious, or don't have the time. Several of the women at my office have considered it simply because they don't have to leave home and can join a class with a relative or friend who lives in another state or is difficult to coordinate schedules with.

I get it. Its not for you, but for those who need the convenience, it works. $500 or even $99 down as part of a gym membership is nothing when you compare the costs associated with joining a gym. Its about the convenience of doing it in home and getting a professional or even a friend to motivate you. It makes sense from a business perspective as well since it could make a serious amount of money for a trainer who doesn't have to leave home or can just work out of a gym with remote people and can help them based on the biometric data gathered. There are a ton of possibilities.

Oh and I'm not a kid. There's no reason to assume that I was.
Ezz2013  +   436d ago
@Drewidian
""I'm a gamer. I play PC, PS3, Xbox 350""

Xbox 350 ?!0_0
ahhh, i knew it ..there is another life on other universe.

j/k
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PoSTedUP  +   436d ago
heres a contract on top of your phone, internet and cable bill "oh? so what does it do?" well, it can be your phone, internet and cable.. and GAMING. "woah : O no. way." so youll buy our shiz to continue to view your shiz : D? "YES, yes i would"

unlikely.

another scenario

heres a contract to replace your gym membership "whyyy?" well, it does your phone, internet and cable... and GAMING. "what about equipment?" we sell it to you... "hdhsjdbbfjdj sign me up!!"

highly unikely.

MS wouldnt be stupid enough to even secure an exclusive deal with the likes of breaking bad or another huge network because in reality itll be "on to the next one" for most people, let alone how much money it would cost them. people dont really care all that much bc stuff like tv and movies come and goes, no ones gonna dish out a contract to get things that they have no problem getting their hands on.

and the gym membership... how is that going to work? they now have to pay for the partnership and whos gonna hire and pay for the bazgillion extra personal trainers that they will need? do you really think they will benifit that much to where they would be able to do so? LA is an incredibly exensive gym, they want to keep it that way. there are plenty of gyms that are 10-20$ a month. there is a lot you cant do with personal training through a video, hence why people pay for one on one personal trainers in real life. sure you can talk through video, but you can also rewind a free video on youtube. i personally dont see it happening or working out for anyones business at all, realistically.
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Insomnia_84  +   436d ago
They will have cable services available without the need of a box.

http://www.geek.com/games/s...

And currently have Yupptv available on PS3, an app that offers more than 150 indian tv channels.

http://www.csimagazine.com/...
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itBourne  +   436d ago
NVM lol someone beat me to the links, but Insomnia is right, they have the other stuff too, they are just focused on the gamer because those are the early adopters.
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wsoutlaw87  +   436d ago
I keep hearing all this stuff that the xbox one supposedly does with tv but Im still not sure what it is. What it can change inputs? It has apps just like the 360, ps3/4, and my tv? Im not really seeing a reason to pay 500 for things tvs and devices already do them selves
yellowgerbil  +   436d ago
That's all well and good till you realize that it is SONY that is more appealing on that front. It has already been shown that sony is making a run at making its own tv service with the viacom deal. What is better? partnering with terible companies like Comcast. Or giving comcast the finger and offering a better service yourself
iiwii  +   435d ago
And the second they do something like that is when they will start raping their customers for $$$$ for every click of the button they make, and not only that, they will have the camera there so that they can charge you PER PERSON for content that you want. Don't forget the XB1 camera can count the number of people in the room.

I wonder how many shiny new surface tablets they got in their office for writing publishing this crap?
CommonSense  +   435d ago
@Parapraxis

He's a kid for being perfectly logical? THAT is what is childish. You, like the majority of the n4g community, are quite the hypocrite.

@Drewidian

you're wasting your time, dude. These people live in a fantasy land that is perpetuated by the affirmation they get from the other people sharing that fantasy.

They are long-time sufferers of Post-purchase rationalization.
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XB1_PS4  +   436d ago
They are a technology market intelligence company with a 23 year proven track record that is focused on putting information into the hands of executives in order to enable them to make the right decisions on technology and market investment at the right time.

At least that's what there "About Us" section says.
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Shnazzyone  +   436d ago
Yeah, this study doesn't make sense I barely understand what the hell they are gauging. Here's the reason why nintendo's got a gap.

" If not for Nintendo’s wider distribution network, console heritage, and first party titles it would start to find itself in closer competition with many of the new market entrants."

Seriously... what? Those sound like good things.
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Rainstorm81  +   435d ago
Maybe they are taking away points for the most gaming centric devices?

Weird...
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Jazz4108  +   435d ago
Just everyone enjoy the console of your choice. You dont need some website to tell you to do this if you are a gamer.
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avengers1978  +   435d ago
The article says "sonys cloud is untested". So is the Xbox cloud gaming... Two cloud won't be available for either system at launch.
How is one cloud a benefit but the other isn't?
miDnIghtEr20C_SfF  +   435d ago
You got a pop up? Who still get's pop ups?
Godmars290  +   436d ago
Has what MS said about cloud gaming been proven? Have they offered one actual demonstration?
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n4rc  +   436d ago | Well said
Yeah...

Months ago they show the asteroid tech demo...

And the drivatar system on forza.. And ai in titanfall..

They also stated most titles at launch were already being developed before the cloud compute stuff became available to them.. With it being free, you can expect most titles to use it in some form in the future
black0o  +   436d ago
1st MS only got the edge for the TV/skype ..
2nd did they show it on xBone? the answer NO

finally giakia launched beta before and a lot of ppl singed up and gve a try them self http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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Parapraxis  +   436d ago
And will the cloud change the physical hardware in any way or make any noticeable difference, ie close the gap between PS4 Xbox One Specs?

LOL no.

And It's even more amusing when Sony plans to implement most if not all of the features that MS can/will do via "cloud" with their own services.
Jamaicangmr  +   436d ago
"Months ago they show the asteroid tech demo..."

This is one demo Sony's Gaiki service has been tested and proven hence why Sony bought the company. So based on that logic Sony has "Proven" theirs as well.

"And the drivatar system on forza.. And ai in titanfall.."

Either of these have NEVER been proven to be anything but PR.

So i don't understand what you are talking about.
Godmars290  +   436d ago
Have a link to these demos? I'm talking about an actual stage presentation, not just mention or second-hand description of select closed events.

And what are you talking about "free"? Devs might have access to servers to encourage them to use them, but gamers are going to pay for XBL and likely have to worry about their online quality.

A lot of what's being said isn't going to be proven until months if not years after release. This applies to Sony and Goakia as well.
Majin-vegeta  +   436d ago
Well they also said it would make the xbone 3x more powerful than the PS4. Still waiting lol
WarThunder  +   436d ago
@black0o

Too bad TV/skype are locked behind a pay wall...

While Skype on other platform is free...
Gozer  +   435d ago
@Warthunder
Yeah, too bad PSN will be behind a pay wall next-gen.

Atleast with Live you get dedicated servers for every game. Enjoy your P2P servers on the ps4.
Revolver_X_  +   435d ago
@Gozer

The majority of PS3 exclusives have already had dedicated servers, where you been? Oh, on 360, lol.
warczar  +   435d ago
@ gozer

Please get off that microsoft server bandwagon. there is no way that the server farms that they keep showing off are going to be just for xbox one. So those billions of dollars they keep saying was just for xbox servers is just more PR BS. Don't believe the hype. And FYI, the playstation paywall is just to game online, unlike the xbox the PS4 will still function without the extra yearly fee.
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n4rc  +   436d ago
It won't make any difference.. But Sony will do it too!

0/2... Keep swinging tho.. Lol

And yeah... The more work the server does, the more the console can do locally.. So technically yes, it does change the specs as the resources available change.. Too complicated? We've only been beating it to death for 5 months now.. How long are you going to pretend it isn't real?
Parapraxis  +   436d ago
As long as it takes for noobs like you to understand the bandwidth and latency issues that are involved in non-local processing, and for you to realize that boosting "performance" of any machine via the "cloud" is a goddamn pipe-dream.

There's a reason why top of the line processors alone can cost over $700.

I'll let you figure that out on your own.
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black0o  +   436d ago
on papers maybe but in real world NO

u see latency it's already pain in a$$ when playing online, CPU/GPu calculation take 10^-6 sec do u think the cpu/gpu will wait for 0.7-1.5 sec to get some data back from the server ..

and then we hve the bandwidth at less we'll need to hve 6-20 Mb/s so cloud computing is far away from being more then match making or some other small task
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Jazz4108  +   436d ago
The only talk I have heard on latency has been on the ps4's Ram which is a common known fact with the ram. It does not magicaly dissappear because Sony is using it.
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GTgamer  +   436d ago
N4rc so you wanna base the power of your console on your internet connection woooow that's stupid and i love how you discriminate the people with shit connection or the ones without connection it all so when your connection drops does your game go from 1080p to 720p from 60fps to 30fps or worse, look I'm smart enough to know that cloud will only improve small things when u have a connection. wouldn't you rather a console that isn't so dependent on something else to show its full power.

P.S they were no demos of Drivatar or Titanfall Ai so stop lying if I'm wrong ill buy a Xone;).
Godmars290  +   436d ago
My main point is that we're talking about a company which once presented, or allowed to be presented, a presentation for Milo. A game which either failed to come to fruition, or never truly exited to begin with past concept.

This same company for some reason can't haul a few servers onto a stage along with a console and provide the one picture which proved the thousand words they've been spouting. Do what Sony did with KZ2, when they believed that they could deliver on that, and offer a target render for something they plan to generally offer which will effect the entirety of their product?

If they can't give one actual and practical example of they hope to achieve, how is anyone expected to accept nothing that's only been PR BS so far?
mkis007  +   436d ago
10% of a consoles power is said to be used when doing p2p server hosting( I read it somewhere recently, correct me if Im wrong as always) I believe, on paper, the ps4 tech makes up for that loss and has more left over.( the rumors of %30-%50 more powerful don't even have to be true, even if it is just 21% more powerful, it will make up for the loss without losing quality).
So that while sure the stuff that is technically feasible to offload to the cloud will free up some power, it will only free up up to that 10%. Depending on who you are this could be a big deal or not.-Edit: just realized i totally took away any online power cost the xbox1 has with this statement, just because you are using dedicated servers doesnt mean there is n o power loss for playing multiplayer online so this is kinda off.

Then factor in that the PlayStation brand is known more for its single player experiences than its multiplayer and it becomes even more of a stretch to say this will have a significant effect. Single player games wont lose a thing on ps4 it wont have to be connected to the internet to use its full power, but the xbox1 will, if you want to use it to offload stuff that can be reasonably done that way.

@Jazz4108 I thought it was clear that sony's customized chip made this a non-issue. They have made the proper modifications to the board to lower latency-taken from a few interviews around the web. Then factor in that most of what the console does is gpu based and you see that gdddr was a great gamble.

this post may have errors, and may come off like some of the fanboys' around here, but I assure you I am just discussing.
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Gozer  +   435d ago
You sony boys don't know what you are talking about when it comes to cloud computing. The cloud can handle non latency sensitive tasks. Things like NPC A.I., day/night cycles, weather effects, and other non latency insensitive tasks. This will certainly free up the load on the cpu/gpu, which in turn can make games better.

Oh and Gaikai is a cloud streaming service, not a cloud computing solution. The two are very different things.

The cloud for X1 is real and you sony boys might as well accept it. Every X1 game with online MP will have dedicated servers via the cloud. And that's day 1 not a year or two later.
HighResHero  +   436d ago
"Cloud" has been mostly a marketing buzzword from the beginning. Allow Oracle CEO Larry Ellison to explain (funny) http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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jgrigs09  +   436d ago
http://www.youtube.com/watc... pretty cool. Not Microsoft but still cool
Deltaohio  +   436d ago
U do know that what MS is proposing with the cloud is roughly the same as GaiKai in function right? But yet MS gets trashed talked for "cloud computing" SOME parts of a game while Sony say "we will stream ENTIRE GAMES FROM THE CLOUD".

Hilarious.
Godmars290  +   435d ago
No. MS is not talking about streaming a full and lesser demanding existing game onto a game system, they've been talking about using streaming to improve the quality of future titles by taking some workload off the game system you own. That's well and above what Sony wants to do which at least has had a few examples.

They were poor examples which really didn't work. Had latency issues but at least they are publicly known examples. Whereas MS have only talked it up as the "future-proofing" while doing a few closed door demos which have never been re-shown.

For all we know it may very well work but could take years to be of any value. If then. Meanwhile people will be paying to perfect it and Gaikia on the PS4, and getting lesser results than a laggy KZ2 SP.
Deltaohio  +   435d ago
It's actually not more the. What Sony is doing. To think that streaming lighting and AI from the cloud could some how be more work for the cloud then streaming AC3 is a bit of a stretch. And it's things that are not latency dependent. I don't expect graphics to get any better but I do expect other things to improve.

It's the streaming portion that I'm worried about. Anything the cloud computes (the end result) gets set out.
Where as the entire game is being sent fr gaikai.

In the end IMO an entire game being streamed would have more problems with latency then just AI or lighting.
n4rc  +   436d ago
Latency isn't relevant when the game world is being run on the server.. Server processed ai etc is local to the game world, not the individual console..

But the same people preach that sony will stream an entire game while Microsoft can't even stream instructions for part of a game..
Hicken  +   435d ago
Latency is relevant whenever there's distance involved between pieces of technology. If the game world is being run on the server, there will be latency as the pertinent information travels from one device to the other.

Dammit, man, there's latency from the controller to your console; how the hell would there NOT be latency over miles or even hundreds of miles of internet?

And streaming a whole game is easy. It's essentially how everything internet-related works. What DOESN'T feasibly work is trying to stream instructions for anything more than maps and basic enemies. Trying to generate too much critical data offsite and then reintegrate it into local data is just not gonna work how you think it is. Which makes me wonder if you actually understand ANYTHING Microsoft is claiming.

Edit: The hard part is in syncing that remotely-generated data with that locally-generated data. Essentially, the game has to send requests for the data it needs before it needs it- before you take the actions that require the system to need that given data- in enough time to give the cloud servers the opportunity to create and send the needed data back without the latency being a factor.

That's just not gonna work well. And it's why the claim MS had of making any significant increases to the XB1's power are pure BS.
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Deltaohio  +   435d ago
@Hicken
You just proved the guys point.
Streaming a whole game is easy but streaming maps and enemies is hard???
I think you have it reversed.
WeAreLegion  +   436d ago
Most nonsense I've read in a long time.
black0o  +   436d ago
agreed and i hve seen couple of sites already writing articles based on this
KHATL66  +   436d ago
poppycock
Ezz2013  +   436d ago
your pic and your comment
dropped me off me chair laughing
Parapraxis  +   436d ago
"hybrid premium/OTT services"
whoo hoo new buzzwords!
Also they think the PS4 and Xbox One are very similar spec-wise.

Ignorance is bliss?
Tooly  +   436d ago
this mad me lol.
Parapraxis  +   436d ago
You be mad lol'in yo.
Tooly  +   436d ago
lol fail *made*
Jaqen_Hghar  +   436d ago
The specs of the Xbox and PS4 are a wash according to them. Credibility lost. Most people admit PS4 is more powerful even industry commentators who have no agenda (Kyle Bosman for instance). It's widely known at this point that 1.8tf>1.3tf and 8gb GDDR5>8gb DDR3 (for gaming especially). Also both cloud gaming services are untested.
christocolus  +   436d ago
nice....
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MorePowerOfGreen  +   436d ago
People are smart enough to know MSFT's solution is truly next gen. Spin it as buzz words all you wan't. The console is packed with features and services giving gamers a hell of a deal for $500 with unmatched offerings, from games to Online.
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jgrigs09  +   436d ago
this is nvidia cloud http://www.youtube.com/watc...
falviousuk  +   436d ago
Jeez this thread has more Sony fanboys trying their best than actual real gamers.

How very sad for gaming
Hicken  +   436d ago
Is that the convenient, go-to excuse when Xbox fans wanna dismiss logical arguments and facts that make your console of choice look bad, or crap like this article that tries to pass off BS as some sort of truth?
HighResHero  +   436d ago
They think they work for their PR team.
falviousuk  +   436d ago
And you have just proved my point succinctly
Godmars290  +   435d ago
I only notice that many Xbox fans defend from any questions or negative comments about the XB1 by accusing that commenter of being a Sony fanboy. That its their only point.

No counter argument is offered. The actual point or question is never addressed. Somehow the only valid thing is that a Sony fanboy said it, so what they said is invalid. Sony fanboy only say negative untrue things so all a Xbox fanboy needs to do is point out that its a Sony fanboy who's saying it. No thought on the XBox fanboy's part is required.

In other words; most XBox fanboys don't even try anymore. Its gotten sad if not dangerous in the name of free thought.
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falviousuk  +   435d ago
And another well known troll chimes in
blackstrr411  +   436d ago
Gaming Live and Tv xbox is better for now. Sony just has more power. Just like iphone 5 vs S4.
PS4isKing_82  +   436d ago
Xboxonevsps4 is a realtime worldwide poll. It currently shows ps4 dominates popularity by 73%. Pretty cool I think

http://www.xboxonevspsfour....
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BobBelcher  +   436d ago
I'd vote, but really though- it's just the internet. The majority of consumers don't join gaming websites or get this indepth into these sort of things.
Rainstorm81  +   435d ago
I agree .....I think those consumers that have no interest in exclusive games will buy the cheapest console they can play CoD BF Fifa NBA2k or Madden or watch Netflix on.....

PS4

For Those consumers not bound by brand loyality, price will play a large role....just like this gen
Godmars290  +   435d ago
"For Those consumers not bound by brand loyality, price will play a large role"

As generally complained about by people who bought several consoles of the same brand or by next year's iPad.

Its amazing that those same people can't see their hypocrisy.
Inception  +   436d ago
I'm not very up to date with IT this day. So, can someone explaining to me what the hell is ABI?
ZHZ90  +   435d ago
Same to me I don't know what is ABI as well.
digger18  +   436d ago
I buy a games console for playing just games and not some stupid social or tv thing. So I'm going with the console with a shed load more power
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EverydayGuy  +   436d ago
What is the point in Cloud when your internet provider is Comcast?
1lovehalo  +   436d ago
sony fanboys make me laugh. btw this is my 3rd account because i sed why i like the xbox one better. which now makes me think that this site is completely full of sony freaks. if the ps4 is soo much better, then why are sony freaks always trying to justify there ps4 all the time ? surely if its that good, you wouldent feel the need to hype it up soo much. and NO its not all about the graphics, because if it was, i would own a high-end pc. its about the gameplay and solid online. something xbox does better than ps.
Trekster_Gamer  +   435d ago
If the PS4 is sooo much more powerful then why do the games look as good if not better on XBOX One at Launch?

You TROLLS can't argue they need time to harness the unique architecture given it is basically standardized PC parts inside?

You try to justify the PS4 by coming here and flat out lie about the Xbox One, it's features and its superior game lineup. Go home trolls, this area is for Xbox fans..

Trolls and Sony PR wannabes disagree and reply below...
kenshiro100  +   435d ago
You don't know what you're talking about. Stop.
76erz24  +   435d ago
Lets use reading comprehension. The article said "based on expectations for the impact of Sony’s PS4 and Microsoft’s Xbox One game consoles." The results are based on the technologic impact of each console, not which one is preferred or better. When it comes to innovative technology and new game console features the Xbox1 brings more to the table. The Ps4 is the safe bet for new consoles, you know what your getting and your happy with it. Xbox1 gives you a ton of new features but its's more of a wildcard.
cyhm3112  +   435d ago
Microsoft and its fanboys are so desperate to try to turn it around it is so hilarious.
Torgul  +   435d ago
Poor fanboy, not agree with the article only because your ps4 is in second place..... Shame on you.

Don t mind, ps4 is in first place to delay launch games..... As usual for the most powerful console ever and the easiest one to develop for....

I will be happy to play crap game on my crap xbox one.....
Torgul  +   435d ago
@trekster gamer

At least I am quite happy that ps4 exists, if not I will have to play with sdf community.... Thank you Sony and keep your fanboy happy please.
cell989  +   435d ago
This is funny, every other research has shown a massive interest on the Playstation 4 vs the xbone, where exactly did this website get their research?
Visiblemarc  +   435d ago
What's baffling is that the "other features" seem so poorly implemented on xb1. If they, through nothing less than witchcraft, had hypnotized all the cable companies into helping undercut their own dvr business and thereby launched with a fully featured DVR built in, which worked day one in all markets...then that is something. A stupid tv tuner isn't a feature. It just isn't. Who wants to do ANYTHING split screen? That's why we have big high res tvs to begin with...we don't like small oddly shaped screens. So what does it offer? Smoother control of tv? Really? Cause no one buys console bluray remotes to avoid using a game controller right? Oh wait. Voice control you say? Let's see how fun channel surfing is when tired or in the presence of dignity. Wait for the $60 tv remote from microsoft... Which no sane person will buy. This was an insane direction to take with xbox. Period.
kingPoS  +   435d ago
Hit seekers - creating FUD by manipulation of context.
You see articles like this everyday on N4G.

Either way, I'm buying my next gen console on the virtues of it's gaming content first and foremost. Anything else is secondary in my opinion.
Flatbattery  +   435d ago
Let's be honest, whether you are a Microsoft or Sony fan the title should read........Microsoft just edges Sony in fabricated research.
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JohnS1313  +   435d ago
This makes no sense at all. Microsoft has made a huge deal out of the cloud. Without the cloud the Xbox 180 can't even compete with the PS4. And it isn't real. So that should really hurt Microsoft. But then I'm sure Microsoft paid for this dumb research.
xxxGEOxxx  +   435d ago
I'm thoroughly convinced websites will post things like this just for the hits. The PS4 is getting the edge EVERYWHERE else so far, but then a site like this will say the opposite, just to get attention. Same thing happened at the beginning of last gen when there was a shit storm around the PS3, and certain sites were declaring it the better system, when neither was released. I understand that all we have to go on is speculation, but still, I 'm convinced it's for hits.

But what would I know?
PsylentKiller  +   435d ago
People need to understand that just because someone did a study doesn't mean that they did it well or that the information is correct. Now, I do believe that this study was done well, although, it would be better if another study was done by someone else to compare the results. MS wins here because of they appeal to a broader audience. They have the TV features, the allure of the kinect, apps like netflix, Windows UI, the Microsoft ecosystem. If your a real gamer or a hardcore gamer then many of these things probably will not appeal to you but they will appeal to casual or non-gamers. There are about 370 million people in the US. How many do you think are gamers casual or otherwise? If 300 million are some kind of gamer, how many are hardcore gamers? 80 million? Now how many are console gamers? 50 million? Of the 50 million, how many are buying a next gen console in the first year? 20 Million? My point is the XB1 appeals more to the majority of people not those who just want to play games. That is why the XB1 polls better amongst the general population. When poling the gaming community, the PS4 does better.
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