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Playstation 4 HDD Specs Revealed: HGST 2.5", 5400 RPM And More

Right now German Magazine ComputerBild is deeply analysing debug unit of Playstation 4 that they received just a day ago. Thanks to this analysing process, tons of new details about PS4 has arrived. (PS4, Sony)

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Majin-vegeta  +   283d ago
Time to buy a harddrive ;).
zeal0us  +   283d ago
Took the words right out of my mouth. 5400RPM in 2013 is laughable though I'm pretty sure if Sony had use 7200RPM or SSD the cost would be higher.

@Lukas_Japonicus
Yes
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Lukas_Japonicus  +   283d ago
So would we be able to swap out the HDD with one that has 7200RPM or an SSD?
Erudito87  +   283d ago
It really isn't laughable. The difference the higher speeds equate to isnt much and the extra vibration heat etc isnt really worth it. Plus 7200rpm are standard for 3.5 inch mechanical drives not 2.5!

ssds and faster hdds are always an option and if an extra 5 seconds is really(yes ssds would give much greater performance but isnt really worth it when most people simply buy blu ray games)

@ =lucas yes i have replaced the hdd in my ps3 for a whisper quiet wd blu 5400rpm drive
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Irishguy95  +   283d ago
So this is where Sony cut corners to cut the cost, 5400RPM is just pathetic for a next gen console. Oh well, it's easily upgradable yet annoying at the same time. How much does a 2TB 7200rpm cost? Considering the size games will end up being this gen

Also do we know the size of the Harddrive yet? 500GB's? a TB?

Nah GT it's "Give them a **** harddrive, with the option to upgrade"
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KUV1977  +   283d ago
I think there is no 2TB 2,5" HDD. 5400rpm is absolutely sufficient. 500GB is the size of the inbuilt HD.
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GTgamer  +   283d ago
Give people a swappable hard drive and they still complain -_- can't win with you guys.
Edit: @irish its a hard drive stop being so damn picky would you rather if it was built in then i bet you would cry even more so be quiet.
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whathappened  +   283d ago | Well said
Did you guys see what actually holds the HDD in place?? Mind Blown:

http://a.disquscdn.com/uplo...
Computersaysno  +   283d ago
As much as I would love to shove an SSD in there I couldn't justify the cost of it to get a size I could live with. Because of the size of the installs, you know a bunch will end up 20gb+ you will want at least a 500gb drive. You are talking over 200 pounds for a decent one at that size still. That's 2/3 the cost of the console itself! A PC where everything pulls off the drive, or where you can have multiple drives then yea it's worth the outlay but not a console.

Ideally I think most people are going to want 1tb drives and possibly more before long because those massive games and probably decent sized OS are going to chew up space real quick.

A 1tb mechanical drive will offer plenty good enough performance for a games console and plenty of space for a much more reasonable outlay.
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scott182  +   283d ago
What does 5400 rpm for an hdd effect? I have no idea how hard drives work and what not, are there any benefits to buying a faster one? And is it even worth it?
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shoddy  +   283d ago
People complain abouy swappable hhd.
I wonder if they complain about non swappable hhd
tiffac008  +   283d ago
@scott182

7200 rpm drive should help with faster loading and installations. If you are going to upgrade the HDD then of course you should get the faster one.
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scott182  +   283d ago
Is there a risk of the hdd getting too hot if I get a faster one?
nunley33  +   283d ago
Edit: ps3 hdds need 9.5mm thick 2.5 drives but ps4 allows up to 12.5 mm ones which is great news since this will allow moredrive to be compatible with the ps4. There are 2.5 inch 2tb drives but they won't fit since they're too thick and need to be 9.5mm thick,these would be 15mm and even some at 12.5mm though. Maybe by the time i get one around the first of the year there will be one that is ps3/ps4 compatible.
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Tsar4ever  +   283d ago
Maybe cuz a 7200rpm hdd probably would run TOO HOT for ps4's compact frame build. My question is what does HGST stand for? And also, will it support SDD & HDD/SDD hybrids hdd like the PS3?
zeal0us  +   283d ago
@Tsar
HGST is the brand of the harddrive
badz149  +   283d ago
as expected, really. oh well, 500GB is not going to last long with PS+ anyway! 1TB at the very least, ready to be install day 1 here!
dantesparda  +   283d ago
Hitachi Global Storage Technologies (HGST) is a wholly owned subsidiary of Western Digital

And to Irishguy, what do you think the X1 is going to have? I'll give you a hint, it aint going to be a 7200rpm drive and its non-removable.

and 80 to 100MB/s isnt terrible, i have a WD 7200RPM 2.5" HDD in my laptop and that does 120MB/s at the outer layers/beginning of the drive to 60MB/s towards the end of the disc/inner layer. So im assuming they are saying that the PS4 HDD does 100MB/s at the outer layers of the HDD while hittinbg 80MB/s towards the end of the disc/inner layers.
Red_Devilz  +   283d ago
SSD = Higher cost

7200rpm = Higher temperature and (may be) noise

5400 = Sweet spot

If you are concerned about latency, buy a hybrid drive (e.g. 1TB 5400rpm 64MB cache). Problem solved :D

P.S. - You might consider waiting for Black Friday deals to shop for HDDs. I'm pretty sure you can find 1TB - 1.5TB drive at awesome price.
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FamilyGuy  +   283d ago
5400rpm drives aren't as hot which probably helps with reliability more than being a cost related choice. If speed was all that mattered they could have just tossed in some SSD that was much lower in Gbs. Or even created their own flash based support seeing as this is Sony, you know, they do make their own flash media, HDDs and SSDs among many other electronics.
Nafon  +   283d ago
@Erudito87
"yes ssds would give much greater performance but isnt really worth it when most people simply buy blu ray games"

Aren't HDD installs required for all PS4 games?
bujasem_89  +   283d ago
Amazon link please! if possible :)
Dasteru  +   283d ago
They use 5400RPM HDDs to keep the heat down. The difference in read/write speed between modern 5400RPM HDDs and 7200s is like 5% anyways.

@Irishguy95:

There are only a few 2TB 2.5" HDDs on the market currently, all are still 5400RPM and they start around $180, that is nearly half the cost of the entire PS4.
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UltimateMaster  +   282d ago
@zeal0us

Exactly, 5400RPM is pretty much minimum standard these days.

Again, Sony will make newer models of PS4 as time goes by with more HDD space and possibly faster speeds too.

I wasn't too sure between going 7200RPM or Hybrid HDD/SSD. Because I've tried both but there wasn't that much of a worthwhile difference. Considering the game only loads once and you'd be saving a few seconds each time, but for that price? Ain't too sure about that. I might not go with Hybrid another time.

I sure won't be getting a 5400RPM for the price difference unless I find some huge bargain.
MazzingerZ  +   282d ago
I just care you can swap it for a bigger one...don't get people inspecting the teeth of a given horse
guitarded77  +   282d ago
The difference between a 5,400rpm and 7,200rpm is exponential. For example: When writing/reading small amounts of data, you shouldn't notice any difference. but when reading/writing huge amounts of data, the difference gets larger as the amount of data increases (even then it depends on the internet speed).

5,400 rpm is perfectly fine for gaming. The loading and storing of data to/from the hard drive to the next level of memory is very small amounts. The place it becomes noticeable is when you're downloading/writing a 50gb game to the drive.

One difference is that 7,200rpm drives usually run hotter than a 5,400 rpm drive (may not always be the case, but typical), so check to see what the operating specifications are before operating to a faster hard drive. This goes for PS3 and PS4... they can accept higher rpm drives, but you don't want to add more heat to the system. They are designed for OEM parts.
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mmj  +   282d ago
"So this is where Sony cut corners to cut the cost, 5400RPM is just pathetic for a next gen console."

You say that as if you believe Microsoft are using more expensive components, they aren't!

Xbone uses cheaper components than PS4 (eg. GPU, DDR3 RAM), they've skimped on the console massively to allow them to bundle in Kinect without it carrying a ridiculous price tag.
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gamer7804  +   282d ago
There are benefits to 5400rpm, they typically have a longer lifespan, which is why you see a lot of bsckup drives as such.
blackmagic  +   282d ago
HGST basically has 2 series of HDs that are 500GB and 5400 rpm, the 750 series and the 500 series.

http://www.tomshardware.com...

http://www.hgst.com/tech/te...
http://www.hgst.com/tech/te...

And you can look through all of HGST's laptop drives, they are all rated for 600,000 load/unload cycles regardless of whether they are 5400 or 7200rpm
http://www.hgst.com/hard-dr...
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Kingthrash360  +   283d ago
funny i was just thinking i might need to replace the hard drive w at least a 1tb. i may do that sometime next year.
guitarded77  +   282d ago
I have a 1tb in my PS3 and I have 50gb left. I'll definitely upgrade my PS4 later, but I'll ride the 500gb drive as long as I can. Hopefully when it comes time to upgrade, there will be a 2tb++ drive available in that size (there may already, but I haven't seen any ~ haven't checked in the past year).
get_real  +   283d ago
Actually 5400rpm drives are better at storing large files like movies and games. Also they run cooler and use less electricity. 7200rpm drives have more chances of a failure in the long run due to their higher speed and hear generation.
vigilante_man  +   283d ago
Not true. I have put 7,200 HDD in my PS3 and it runs faster and quieter. Never had a problem. Buy good drives and they will last.
tordavis  +   283d ago
@get_real

Do you know anything about HD tech cuz you are completely WRONG! 5400rpm drives are SLOWER at storing large files, not better. 7200rpm drives and 5400rpm drives usually have the same MTBF. You don't know what you're talking about.
hobohunterz  +   282d ago
Heat generation is barely an issue tests have been done on the ps3 and the 7200 rpm drive only ran 1to3 degrees hotter. The heat thing is waaay overplayed

http://community.us.playsta...
novcze  +   283d ago
yep, I'm going to buy WD Blue 1 TB ... with all that PS+ content and digital distribution 1 TB is minimum for me, 5400rpm is not problem, all games will account stock HDD which is also 5400 rpm and with all that available RAM, games will most likely use some clever buffering ... of course SSD is superior, but price is still high for big capacity and we don't know if PS4 supports TRIM command or and more important question is if performance of the SSD isn't hampered by slow en/de-cryption system.

and for stock PS4 HDD ... there is always space in my PC for another HDD
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3-4-5  +   283d ago
7200 has been the norm for a while now.
novcze  +   282d ago
Is it? I don't see many laptop drives that are 7200 rpm these days
andibandit  +   282d ago
On regular laptops made for office work, you wont, but take a look at the gaming laptops.

If your intent is to use the ps4 for office work, just ignore my comment.
Beastforlifenoob  +   283d ago
Replace with a beutiful solid state...
OMG solid state ps4
smokeyjoekenobi  +   283d ago
I'd hold off buying SSD to be honest, PS3 shows negligible improvement with solid state (I've tried). If the PS4 is anything like its predecessor it's not worth the extra cash. I'm going to wait until other people try it out before I even contemplate it.... That's just my advice of course.
Nafon  +   283d ago
ssds would make loading times faster, but unless cash isn't an issue or you have an extra laying around, i don't think the cost would be worth it for the slight performance increase for most people.
Gardenia  +   283d ago
So basically if upgrading don't get the 7200 because it can overheat
vigilante_man  +   283d ago
No, no and no again!

This is just a silly myth. I have a faster 7,200 in my PS3 and it runs faster and is even quieter. Never had a problem with heat or anything else.

And to re-iterate. it is faster!!
DarkZane  +   283d ago
This is 2013, 7200 RPM do not generate more heat anymore. Maybe like 5-6 years ago that was the case, but now there is no difference.
iiwii  +   282d ago
I put a 500GB Western Digital Black 7200 in my PS3 and didn't see a difference in heat or noise. It did seem a bit quicker at some things.
ATi_Elite  +   283d ago
So basically a LAPTOP HARDDRIVE!

Now if you could go out and install a Real HDD like a Western Digital Velociraptor 3.5" 10,000 RPM HDD or a Corsair SSD then that would be AWESOME flexibility to customize your PS4 and give it a higher performance rate.

2.5" 5400rpm is LAPTOP specs for ALL those who do not know and 80 to 100MB per seconds is low compared to 300MB per sec minimum on 3.5" HDD.

PS4 does have to adhere to a 300Watt Cap so not much you can do. Still the PS4 is a Good design for the Price and hardware.

I repeat "Still the PS4 is a Good design for the Price and hardware." for the Idiot fanboys who wanna RAGE DISAGREE!

Most will not even read this far before RAGE DISAGREEING. LOL
KwietStorm  +   283d ago
Use more caps so I can hear you clearly!!!!
dantesparda  +   283d ago
ummm, you do know that you can probably put a SSD drive in there, right?!
Nafon  +   283d ago
300MBps minimum on a standard 3.5" HDD? lol no. maybe 300Mbps...
Rageanitus  +   283d ago
were gonna see this for the whole system just look at the size, its truly is laptop components including the GPU and CPU.

Notice how PC gaming machines still need alot of power and alot of space.
JOHN_DOH  +   282d ago
A velociraptor won't even do 300MB per sec minimum. And they're actually 2.5 inch drives in a heatsink that makes them fit 3.5 inch hard drive slots. They're taller than 9.5 mm though.
Guwapo77  +   283d ago
I am sick and tired of reading this misconception about 7200RPM drives creating more heat. It's about the power consumption of the drive itself. There are some 5400rpm drives that require more power to operate. Check out the link for info.

http://www.ehow.com/info_12...
blackmagic  +   282d ago
It's true that some 5400rpm drives gobble up power but the HGST drive is a power sipper and in general, faster rpm means more power consumption (heat). See pic below.
http://media.bestofmicro.co...
Guwapo77  +   281d ago
To further cement what I was trying to say in my original post.

http://www.tomshardware.com...

You'll be able to see in this review some 7200 rpm drives that run cooler than the 5400 ones. The only thing I'm trying to convey to everyone is, do your research and pick a HDD that works for you. Don't automatically buy a 5400 and think it will keep your temps down. It could make things worst.
Anarki  +   283d ago
Will their be a size limit in the PS4? and is there a size limit in the PS3? Want to buy a really big hard drive for my PS4.
Rageanitus  +   283d ago
don't know why ppl saying there is not much difference between 5400 vs 7200. ITS BIG difference, just do a test when transfering files between folders on a PC on a 7200 vs a 5400.

It's sufficient if consoles don't have much game installs and under 4 mb save files... but as you can see consoles games are becoming a bit more complex vs the past consoles.
Xsilver  +   283d ago
1TB anyone :)
Mikelarry  +   283d ago
has to be with the some digital games coming in at 50gb 1TB is a must going forward, so glad they gave us the option to upgrade the hard drive

@ xsilver

from the below it seems 2TB just to be safe :)
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Xsilver  +   283d ago
@mikelarry well in that case 2TB anyone :)
superterabyte  +   283d ago
I have a 1TB on my PS3. Thanks to Playstation plus that is already nearly full and most off my games were bought on disk whereas next gen I'm buying all my games digitally.
phallusitator  +   283d ago
Agreed and I have the same issue. I think it'll be easier/faster/better this time with Galkai. Deleting and reinstalling a game won't be such a pain. So maybe 500Gb's- 1 TB will be ok. I don't file any movies or music so I don't need the room for that.
I also wonder how much space they set aside for your possible 'future' games to be stored in memory.
reko  +   283d ago
2TB here i come :D
Fireseed  +   283d ago
I wonder how it would react if you put a SSD into it? Would greatly improve memory read times if it's compatible.
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No FanS Land  +   283d ago
putting an SSD in a PS3 was pretty useless as the motherboard did not have the bandwith to take advantage of the technology, let alone a 7200.

But I'm guessing this time around sony has made sure it would be worthwhile to put in an SSD.
Fireseed  +   283d ago
If so then it might be more advantageous to put in a smaller SSD rather than a MASSIVE HDD.
Bathyj  +   283d ago
Actually I read an article that did comparisons and 7200 had a big increase in installation and load times. Hybrid and ssd were slightly better in some cases than 7200 but not really worth the extra cost and drop in size. I'm going the 7200.
The_Infected  +   283d ago
5400rpm is horrible for nearly a 2014 console. Should've been 7200rpm.
nick309  +   283d ago
7200RPM heats faster, wouldnt recommend it.
stevehyphen  +   283d ago
Yes. If you're going to upgrade the HDD, then you should stick to another 5400RPM or an SSD just to be completely safe of operating temperature.
Bathyj  +   283d ago
Well at least we have the option to swap it.

Interesting that it also takes up to 12.5mm height as well.
SpitFireAce85  +   282d ago
You can upgrade the HDD...

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref...
andibandit  +   282d ago
Im kinda surprised they choose a 5200rpm hd, the heat difference is minimal to say the least, but the difference is speed is quite noticable.
Bathyj  +   283d ago
Ugh. Really?

Oh well. Good thing I'm swapping out a1tb 7200 day one.
Erudito87  +   283d ago
7200rpm 2.5 inch drives are pretty non standard. So you will most likely pay alot for it.
ZoyosJD  +   283d ago
A 2TB 7200 RPM 2.5 in. is $170 on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/WD-Gr...

@superterabyte...SSHD are prone to failure due to constant increase and slowing of the read speed.
Erudito87  +   283d ago
Ssds arent prone to failure there was only controversy related to ocz ones due to the poor firmware but they can last over a decade unlike mechanical hdds which have lots of points of potential failure and have a life span on average of roughly 3-4 years.

Ps the drive you pointed out, is sata 2 which is old and has max reads and writes of around 60 and its size is 15mm, so it won't fit.
ZoyosJD  +   283d ago
I hadn't seen the 12.5 mm spec yet. Too bad, I was waiting to see if that one would fit.

Also, your acronyms are off.

SSD - solid state drive...non-mechanical...fully capable of outlasting a mechanical drive...very expensive.

SSHD - solid state hybrid drive...combination of HDD and SSD...are prone to fail for the reason I mentioned...relatively inexpensive considering performance.

HDD - hard drive disk...traditional mechanical drive.
Erudito87  +   283d ago
My bad, i thought you were referring to ssds hybrid drives are the isnt that great either.

I got my 256gb 830 series samsung(pc boot drive) for about £130 so it isn't as bad as it once was.

At least we have options but most people wont have a strictly download only game library so 500gb at 5400 rpm is more than adequete.
rainslacker  +   282d ago
The only issue I've ever heard of with SSD as a whole is that the read/write state of the storage capacitors can only be changed so many times. I don't know if this was contained to a single model or older tech which is no irrelevant, but I remember reading about it. This number of times was quite a lot though, not some pitiful number.

More often than not though, on a console, the read/write state isn't going to be stressed as much as some parts of a computer operating system are.

Keep in mind, I am no expert in this field. I've had a couple SSD's on a raid setup in my PC for close to 3 years now and it's never given me a problem, and I tend to do a lot of file transferring and deleting and all those other things that you do when you're a multi-tasker.
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superterabyte  +   283d ago
Why not just use an SSHD? i'm sure you can pick omne up for around the same price as a 1TB 7200 rpm
WitWolfy  +   282d ago
What a 180GB one? Yeah sure why not im sure that 5 seconds will totally be worth it! LOL
Animal Mutha 76  +   283d ago
Sounds like a bit of a cheapo hdd. Agree with most here that 5400 rpm is sluggish for a modern console and is that SATA3 as well???? Its almost like they expect you to change it so have just gone with the basic drive to keep costs down. Bet that APU and GDDR5 is eating all the money up.

I should point out for balance that I wouldn't be surprised If MS is also using a slow drive (although I hope they aren't). Reason I say this is because the loading times for some of the games I played at EGX were quite long - Forza in particular.
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MasterCornholio  +   283d ago
Well at least your not stuck with it which isn't the case with the Xbox One or the Wii U (even though its flash its extremely small).

Nexus 7 2013
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Animal Mutha 76  +   283d ago
Well I will be unfortunately as I have an X1 on order. Expandable storage via high speed USB 3.0 will help but I'd much rather just stick a chocking great drive in and forget about it. I'm sure MS have a reason but right now I can't figure that decision.
Brix90  +   283d ago
@Animal Mutha 76

Only problem with that is X1 wont support external hard drives at launch so I guess you'll have to wait further down the line.

http://www.theverge.com/201...
Septic  +   283d ago
Yeah the loading times for Forza and for Kinect Sports was quite long.
solidboss07  +   283d ago
Its fine.
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MasterCornholio  +   283d ago
The reason for that is quite simple. When the internal hard drive breaks in the Xbox One you will not be able to replace it. Which means that you will have to send it to Microsoft for repairs and they will charge you a hefty fee for replacing the hard drive.

This is the reason why they made the hard drive impossible to remove.

Nexus 7 2013
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Pillsbury1  +   283d ago
They have their tactics for squeezing even more money out of you.
rainslacker  +   282d ago
Officially no, but I wouldn't doubt it's possible to replace if you're willing to void the warranty.

Seems kind of dumb MS wouldn't allow it given how people touted it as a great feature for their competitor and how much they wanted to push the online future. Seems to be a simple enough thing to do on a windows PC.
Godmars290  +   283d ago
Still wondering what the speed and maximum capacity of the Blu-ray drive is. If it can use more than a 50GB disc.
sibbor  +   283d ago
Offical spec for the BluRay drive is: BluRay = 6xCAV, DVD = 8xCAV, so that should be 27 MB/s for BD. I'm not sure about supported disc types though.
fghtrer3fb5erg  +   283d ago
It may only run at 5400 rpm but its not the same harddrive that came in any ps3, speed sometimes can be irrevelant, lets see, powerful home pcs usually run at 4,5GHZ (cpu)right? well, you need nearly that or even 4,5GHZ to run a game properly that looks as good as the same game on ps4 yet the ps4 runs it at 1,8GHZ. This HDD may have a different technology that runs better than the ps3 HDD although it runs only at 5400rpm.
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Animal Mutha 76  +   283d ago
I guess the size of the drives cache will also be a factor.
vigilante_man  +   283d ago
Yes, drive cache can make a massive difference.
Ipunchbabiesforfun  +   283d ago
Stop, just stop. You have NO idea what you're talking about.
andibandit  +   282d ago
@DatRamBox

I think you are missing a "/sarcasm" , at the end
Saithraphim  +   283d ago
They are definitely trying to keep cost down, but think about it...even if they went with a smaller drive at 7200 most of us on here would be upgrading anyways! Im either getting the best SSD i can afford or a hybred. I know in days after launch we'll know if SSD makes a difference, then ill see which i choose
fghtrer3fb5erg  +   283d ago
Technology nowadays isnt all about speed, my laptop cpu runs at 2,5GHZ but it doesnt mean its slower than a pentium4 pc that runs at 4.0GHZ, its pretty much faster due to all this better technology we have now, things have changed, i wouldnt buy the "5400rpm" thing.
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Erdrick  +   283d ago
sounds like the hdd from a cheap laptop
Sci0n  +   283d ago
I feel all you guys on upgrading the HDD but I am sticking with the PS4's stock HDD. I bought a 80 GB PS3 at launch and bought 2-3 disc based games a year and 6 digital games overall and still haven't maxed out the HD. I own every top selling game for the console from TLOU to the whole uncharted series, GTA V, GTA IV, Killzone series and too many other games to name. I also own a PS Vita and im a loyal PS Plus subscriber. While plus is a amazing steal of a deal I only download the free games im interested in. I never intend on downloading the whole library. 500 GB will be well over enough space for me on the PS4. I also am not pack rat and delete content from games I no longer own or plan to play.
dragon82  +   283d ago
I am sitting at around 700GB used out of my 1TB HDD in my PS3. I have over 30 bluray games at any given time (trade them in after time) but I still managed to build a digital collection of around 300 games.
Pillsbury1  +   283d ago
What scion is trying to say is: so you have 300 games on your hdd eh? Do you play those 300 games all the time? I'm sure there are probably a lot of games on there you have not touched in a long time. If you delete them they will always be in your download history ready to come back when you please.
dragon82  +   282d ago
True but if I decide to play them they will be just a button click away if I leave them on there. That's why I upgraded to a 1 TB HDD in the first place. Not to mention that it was only $80. :)

Its also a pain in the ass to search for games on my download list with well over 2000 items on it.
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Sci0n  +   282d ago
exactly pills im more so a competitive gamer so I pretty much only play a few different titles. I know I definitely wouldn't be playing 300 different games on the daily basis. I will most likely play a few competitive mp games like KZ shadowfall BF4 planeside 2 warthunder etc. I will rotate threw those and try to level up and gain experience over time. Multiplayers usually hold me for over for awhile and I know I wont need TBs of space to enjoy them.
Viking_Socrates  +   283d ago
Probably going to be swapping this one out with at least a 2TB HDD although who knows.
DomceM  +   283d ago
ps4 owners if you are going to upgrade go for an SSD. Samsung is selling them really cheap (120GB for $90 on amazon). All the way to 1 TB depending how much you want to pay.
windblowsagain  +   283d ago
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

There is enough difference from 5400 to 7200 drives.
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turgore  +   283d ago
Its only a matter of time until they will release a ps4 with a solid state.
bligmerk  +   283d ago
The speed of operation difference between 5400rpm and 7200rpm on the PS3 wasn't that noticeable. This time around, the big question is if the PS4 has SATA-III, which it probably does since older chips go out of production when the newer chip becomes available. So, it seems like getting a SATA-III hard drive may see some speed increases with media and file transfers. It's great that PS4 has this option and it's so game player friendly. LOL, XBone has a proprietary hard drive and it needs to be sent into the factory for anything, storage space increase not an option.
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bsquwhere  +   283d ago
I like we get an option to switch unlike the compitition , yet all you guys do is focus on the 5400rpm. You should buy a X1 and hook up several external drives then.
andibandit  +   282d ago
Yes I also base all my decisions on: "at least its not the worst"
truegame  +   283d ago
More info on the HD etc

http://slumz.boxden.com/f13...

"the PS4 swallows written as disks with a height up to 12.5 mm. For the PS3 gamers could only install disks with a maximum height of 9.5 mm.". You can use the bigger 2.5 ( 2 TB + drive without a problem )

Can't wait to get both systems ( don't kill me )
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ballisticvoodoo  +   283d ago
Do a quick search on newegg or TD and you'll see 95% of the 2.5" 1TB drives are 5400.
strigoi814  +   283d ago
im still waiting for Shuhei to confirm if we can swap a SSD or a 7200rpm hard drive to the ps4
despair  +   283d ago
considering you can do so with the PS3 already I'm pretty sure we will be fine with the PS4.
cell989  +   283d ago
yes!! the answers Ive been looking for, SSD for me
ZoyosJD  +   283d ago
Not worth the price honestly,just to replace the 500GB HDD with a SSD of the same size will cost you $300 and that will only hold maybe 20 next gen games.
cell989  +   283d ago
But the overall performance boost should make it the superior route
ZoyosJD  +   283d ago
Better, but not likely worth the money.

They can load over 1/10 of a 50GB game onto RAM at any given time, and load times should be practically non-existent.

I hear they were demoing KZ and went from waking the system from a low power state to playing a MP match in 8 sec.
Are_The_MaDNess  +   282d ago
you guys that go for SSD's got to keep in mind that SSD's are not meant to be rewritten alot. more things you delete and fill up the same space on the SSD more its prone to failure.
KillrateOmega  +   283d ago
I'm going to upgrade the HDD sooner or later, but I'm conflicted. On one hand, 5400rpm is slower than 7200rpm, but will produce less heat, resulting in the 5400rpm HDD having a lower chance of failing.

There's also SSDs to consider. They're more expensive, but faster, quieter, and have a much lower chance of failure.

I'll probably go with a 1TB+ HDD at 5400rpm or go for a 500GB SSD.
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HyperBear  +   283d ago
This is what I'm doing...

http://www.ncix.ca/products...

You get the best of both worlds. An 8GB SSD flash memory for ssd caching (for use with loading the OS/UI faster), as well as a 1TB 5400rpm hard drive for double the storage.
KillrateOmega  +   283d ago
Thanks for the link, man :) I'm probably going to go with a similar set-up.
pyramidshead  +   283d ago
lol @ the complaining. You can swap it out for new one if you're that bothered about it.
Dread  +   283d ago
Of course you can, but its another expense. They just keep adding up. It would not be a $400 console anymore.
pyramidshead  +   283d ago
you're gonna have to upgrade anyway down the line when you run out of space for games, might as well nip it in the bud at the start of the generation. Long term benefit to be honest. :).

Not everyone will do that of course, the option is there though if you're not happy.
hhg305rome  +   283d ago
Overheating problems, no games, ancient fossil as a hdd, weak cpu, digital drm, garbage online service.. but %50 more powerful LOL at sony bots.
Nodoze  +   283d ago
SSD all the way!
NobleRed  +   283d ago
Love the 7200 rpm fanboys. My SSHD runs at 5400 rpm and is still faster than a 7200 drive.

What do you guys say about that?
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DomceM  +   283d ago
Im not a 7200 RPM fanboy b/c those dont exist.

Also I would say you are using SSHD which is not a regular hard drive.

Its SSD hybrid.

So your comparison is irrelevant b/c the discussion is between 5400 RPM and 7200 RPM standard HDD drives.

Personally id go full SSD to be honest.

Also i didnt disagree. Be cool.

For running games it doesnt matter much. For loading times it helps to have faster HDD.
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imt558  +   282d ago
Big problem is the SATA I interface in PS3. I have Seagate Momentus XT 500 GB in PS3. It is faster than regular 5400 rpm HDD in PS3 or faster than normal HDD with 7200 rpm. Momentus XT 500 can't get full potential with SATA I interface, but it is still faster than 5400 or 7200 rpm even if XT has 7200 rpm. Well, boot up time in PS3 with 5400 rpm HDD is 17 sec., boot up time with normal 7200 rpm HDD is about 15 sec. boot up time with Momentus XT is 12 sec. PS4 has SATA III interface and i bought Momentus XT 750 SATA III ( up to 600 MB/s ). In PS4 it can be only faster with SATA III interface. Check this videos :

Velociraptor ( 10 000 rpm ) vs. Momentus XT ( you will be surprised ) :

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

and this :

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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kingduqc  +   283d ago
Crappy slow hard drive

"next gen"

Really, at the size of it there is no excuse for not having a 7200 rpg 3.5 inch hdd. Of top of being slow the 2.5 price per gb is way more then the 3.5inch hdds.

That is sooo lame.
Nintenja  +   283d ago
They are done piling on the hype. Now comes the slow trickle of Sony disappointment. There goes that extra $100 that was saved. :p
friedricr  +   282d ago
Slow trickle? Still trying to find cover for that landslide on xbox land?
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