Last week was a big week for Xbox One in the UK. Microsoft, desperate to escape the shadow of its botched Xbox One announcement, visited Eurogamer Expo to let UK consumers play its new console.
Taking away consumer rights is stoppable though.
So Digital future is not unstoppable too? Strange comment from you even though the article mentioned nothing about it. Quit the trolling sir.
your trolling is unstoppable. ot: I think I'm down for both a mix between digital and retail, with me buying retail copies limited to limited/special editions.
Your consumer right hasn't been taken away, it just changed and we all are slowly accepting it. Steam is technically the digital leader, and PS+ is pushing all digital more than you can imagine. You may say, I'm getting all these games for very cheap, but Sony is saying we are luring all these consumers into digital future. That is the reality of it, and let's just hope that when the digital future is on full force, somebody will allow us to trade, resell and share our digital games again.
Oh ffs... Digital future doesn't necessarily = taking away consumer rights. Steam does it well and Microsoft have to learn to get the balance right between consumer rights and that of publishers.
You don't own games you download from Playstation Plus. Does that make them less fun? The future is not so bad.
@NatureOfLogic "Taking away consumer rights is stoppable though." the irony in your username is something serious.
I'm glad this bald headed moron is no longer with Sony.
Even Sony knows it unstoppable...ps plus free game and indie games are alluring people into the digital.
no body whants digital, look how mad ppl gor when u were not gon abe able to sell the xb1 used games, i only get digital games because ps+ other than that i would never buy a full digital one
MS were actually going to introduce a market to sell on digital games, it was touted as one of the reasons for the 24 hour check in
How many people actually buy music cds now? Those used media stores are all slowly dying.
False, plenty of people are enjoying digital. The problem is digital on closed systems such as consoles where it leads to a monopoly. Look at PC, its almost entirely digital but people love it because its open and there's competition. That said, PC's lack of generations means games are safe well into the future unlike a console which is evidently having issues transferring games between them.
@nukeitall please don't compare 4mb songs to 50gig games, it only makes you look like a fool. Granted, I know you love the clown makeup but it just saddens me to see you in this state...
I think it's more to do with how reliable your internet is. Digital future is indeed inevitable, but seeing as next gen games are 50Gb downloads makes shitty broadband connections worldwide quiver and sweat with fear. As long as shit internet still exists in some corner of the world retail will indeed live on. Until infrastructure improves (especially in my area) for reliable, fast fibre bb that never falters then people are going to prefer retail by a sheeer long shot.
Yes it's true, Digital future is unstoppable. Just look at Steam, Origin, etc. I wouldn't mind Microsoft going all digital like they planed, IF they practiced similar prices and deals we get on Steam or other digital platforms. Unfortunately the prices practiced by Microsoft in relation to games and deals on XBLA are not appealing (to put it lightly). Microsoft at this moment can't even compete with PSN+.
until they start offering prices that resonates with customer giving up a hard copy for digital they will not see any improvements. i don't understand why all these companies that want consumers to get on the digital band wagon but still want to charge the same or even more than what you can get for a hard copy
I actually agree and support your thoughts on pricing
Yup. I've noticed some of the last few Vita games I've bought are $5 cheaper digitally than in store. I get 13% tax in store but no tax on PSN, too. That alone is enough incentive to get me on the digital wagon. I will prefer to buy digital for ps4, but I will make some exceptions based on storage. (50GB for Killzone is just too much at my current internet speed) So, I guess I prefer a mixture of both. "Digital" hasn't stopped CD, DVD or Bluray from existing, and I assume the games market will be the same way. Bring me those digital discounts!
"i don't understand why all these companies that want consumers to get on the digital band wagon but still want to charge the same or even more than what you can get for a hard copy" So why don't you take two seconds and look into it? People still buy the bulk of their games from retail stores. Retail stores don't like the idea of console manufacturers undercutting them. So they can't. It's a catch-22. That's the reason digital pricing stays so high for so long - it can't drop below what GAME are selling at new for. This is especially annoying when a retailer sells new for £40 and used for £15.
@ mattgrowcott so they charge higher prices just because they want to keep retailers happy, the same retailers that are making a fortune from used games? that does not make any sense to me. why would i want to buy that last of us for 59.99 and wait almost 16 hours for it to download to my hard drive when i can just buy a hard copy for 39.99 or even cheaper and play instantly this is the major flaw in that thinking but more power to them.
It's not that they want to keep retailers happy. Technically it's because publishers setting their own prices digitally would give them an unfair advantage. HOWEVER. You don't screw over the people that give you the majority of your money. Retailers don't NEED publishers (that's why you can buy HMV-exclusive limited editions from GAME the day after release), publishers NEED retailers. Switching over completely to digital would be too big a risk at this point, not least because people just aren't ready for it. So until people are ready to throw off the shackles of retail - like happened with PC games when GAME refused to stock Steam games - expect to be unhappy with digital.
but they believe something else at 21st of May Until they got this wake up CALL http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Not with 50 gig games it won't.
Worldwide increases in internet speed and better compression will absolutely make a digital future possible
While the rest of the world is indeed increasing internet speeds (Sony offers a 2gb down in Japan) the US lags terribly behind, not only that, many companies here have data caps (good luck downloading 25-50gb games if you have a 250gb cap, and that's not including any music or movies you download) Our infrastructure just isn't there to prove a stable high speed affordable internet. I read last week that 60% of the US doesn't even have internet access (I don't know if that number is true but I read it on Forbes, so who knows) The US has a long way to go.
Remmember guys when Harrison worked with sony. Back when the PS3 released he made the Motorstorm CG trailer and then tried to force the trailer on Evolution studios to make the game look similar. THne he got fired... His a corporate douche bag. And now his vice president of M$.
LOL not sure where u lot are from but here in the uk the digital copies have been known to go up on the store at %50 more expensive . I buy digital only if there's not a retail version coming out . I do not see how it is justified paying the same price as retail or more than when at least u can trade your game back in with a physical copy . And with the size of new games and ppl's average internet speed it is going to take them 3 days to download a game hahaha .digital is not the near future I'm afraid only fools with money to burn waste cash on digital
Sooooooooo u have disagreed but not told me where I've gone wrong ?? I take it ur a fool with money to burn ?????
It has more to do with the fact you insulted people based on their game purchasing preferences, I'm sure. Not to mention that the brick and mortar stores you're so quick to support are the exact problem with digital pricing.
saying ppl are fools to spend money on a product they can't actually hold and also sell or lend or do anything with especially when paying the exact same price or more than is foolish behaviour .its not offensive acting like a fool we have all done it time to time .if money was not an issue i would love to go digital especially with the ability of using remote play and playing what games i want without having to swap discs. as it is though i would still understand that i would be spending cash unnecessarily .also the brick and mortar reference i don't get at all ?? a store that has overheads and can sell games at £40-45 pounds or digital which is sold online and cuts out staff in a shop physical copies, packaging utilities running the shop and yet it goes on the store of £40-60 pounds . i don't get how that effects digital what so ever but would like to hear how it does if i have missed something ?
"saying ppl are fools to spend money on a product they can't actually hold and also sell or lend or do anything with especially when paying the exact same price or more than is foolish behaviour" Except to people who buy digital. It's not foolish to want content and to want it delivered in a way that's convenient. Who are you to say there's a right or a wrong way to buy a form of entertainment? You know what I think is foolish? Talking about something you don't understand. Digital pricing has been an issue for a decade. Longer even. When GAME were going under, a load of publishers came out of the woodwork to bitch about how they exploited their place in the industry, including how they screwed over PC publishers. Google it. It's easy! The simple story: publishers can't undercut retail. It gives them an unfair advantage. Retailers refuse to sell. Publishers can't afford to not have GAME/Gamestop stock their game.
LMFAO! In other words! Gamestop Please don't hurt us! Hes right though. At this point everything I buy is digital.
I also buy everything digital. The only games I buy in disc are the ones that for some freaking reason are not released in digital form, like Beyond: Two Souls.
I'll be buying all digital for the next gen. Funnily enough I'd probably have bought discs if the One kept it's original policies (so i could install and discard).
I remember so clearly cause it was only 4 months ago that Microsoft tried to force digital gaming on people. I remember so clearly cause it was only a couple of month ago that people were arrogantly condemning others for standing up for their consumer rights because it somehow conflicted with Microsoft's holy vision of the future with digital. Let's get things straight. Digital is a great option, but I can't empathise with those who wanted it as the only option and to sacrifice physical media as something irrelevant, when in fact, it's remaining one of the most convenient medium for games, when you consider where games are heading. We've seen evidence of this. Game downloads becoming huge, upwards of 30GB. Enjoy downloading that every time you want to play a game. Similarly, when games are going the size of a double layer BD-ROM, you're going to run out of space on your HDD quickly, and even an external drive won't be enough if your'e an avid gamer. And let's not ignore the fact that digital prices were not going to be something generously discounted, even though it was a naive belief. And this is not even factoring in gamers who have bandwidth restrictions or poor ISP connectivity or no internet connection at all. We hear complaints that our actions delayed the inevitable future, but as long as people are given options gaming will always be in a healthier place. Putting up with the forced restrictions of digital only would've been a nightmare of a generation.
As I said above, with Microsoft's original DRM policies I would have bought almost all my games on disc. It was a convenient means to deliver content into the digital ecosystem. Now I will buy all my games digitally, and complain about the speed of my broadband. The original policies might not have been all sunshine and 2nd hand games, but I still wish a better compromise had been found.
These game companies or developers, whoever it is up to, should use the movie model for Blu-ray Disc. The movie is $30 but if you want the digital copy and DVD it is $35. Maybe, if we wanted digital and the disc we would pay $70. Disc only? $60 Digital only? $50
#Troll Alert So many things to take issue with, but I will focus on just 1 area, those best of show awards and nominations. How many people were fooled by games running on PC's with much more oomph than the Next box?
i hope someday they find away for digital and retail to coexist side by side with devs benefiting from used game sales too...
oh yes, i cant wait to download 25GB games with my 100kbps internet. oh yeah bring on a full digital console. il be buying 1 game every 6 months. business will be booming outside NA where everyone has blisteringly fast internet. /s
Curious. Didn't Micrsoft say retail will die in three years? Having trouble keeping up with your lies, Micrsoft...
For my PC games, I'm used to digital, console only a few DLC games and expansions are digital. I've always liked opening the case up and having a physical item though. I wouldn't mind it too much, but if it's going digital, then there needs to be discounts just like disc based games have been, maybe even more of a discount considering we aren't getting any physical items. Seeing digital content now, they're discounted very rarely or few years after it's been out.
What you said about lack of discounts, it's only about digital games on consoles, right?
Yeah. Whenever I search through XBL for some digital games, they're always the retail price so far. Usually the older games have a slight discount, but you'd be better off just getting the physical copy since they're always going on sale. Hell, Halo 4 is $10 at best buy right now lol. Steam does a fantastic job for discounts, EA is with Origin has seen some good deals, but they're sporatic.
..thanks to Sony. If Microsoft had their way, retail would be dead much much sooner.
id like to see retail killed off to a certain extent, but only to avoid paying full price for digital at the moment you pay 60 to 70 yoyos each way which doesnt make sense in my tiny little mind so 60 yoyo digital then 60 for hardcopy why is digital 60? considering theres no middlemen or manufacturing costs to consider. price fixing perhaps?
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