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AMD Explains Why Mantle Is Exclusive To PC & Not Present On Xbox One

DSOGaming writes: "A couple of hours ago, Microsoft revealed that Xbox One only supports DX 11.x as its API. Contrary to rumors, Xbox One does not support Mantle (or any other API like OpenGL). A lot of gamers got confused by all of this, which is why AMD decided to step in and explain things."

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allformats1468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

It's on PS4, and that's all that matters to me.

So many problems with Xbox One, why gamers are even going near that thing at launch is beyond me.

Anyway, Greatness Awaits!

ONE. MORE. MONTH!!!!

JokesOnYou1468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

allformats: "It's on PS4, and that's all that matters to me"

-Huh? I must of read a different article than you. The article here states:

"AMD confirmed that Mantle is not in consoles, and will be an exclusive API for the PC https://twitter.com/AMDRade...

“What Mantle creates for the PC is a development environment that’s *similar* to the consoles, which already offer low-level APIs, close-to-metal programming, easier development and more (vs. the complicated PC environment)." -AMD

"So there you have it everyone. No Mantle on consoles. Not a bad thing as the architecture of a console allows developers to ‘code to the metal’ even by using DX11.x, something that is obviously not possible on the PC."

-lmfao, You are so quick to go on some fanboy rant you don't either both reading the news posts and make a fool of yourself spouting OLD misinformation.....and that's why gamers like me are going to go near(buy) it at launch because sonyfanboys like you just hate on X1 with BS made up info and flawed logic.

black0o1468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

@joke the ps4 has low-lvl API
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

-"PlayStation 4 has two rendering APIs One of them is the absolute low-level API"'
AMD cant just downply one console and favor the other one ;) and we already now that ps4 is supporting openGL/dx/..etc

OT:last time i check all consoles has low API which almost the same as mantle.

i'm surprised to see MS dropping the low-APi for the sack of Dx11.2

JokesOnYou1468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

blackoo, what are you going on about?

Yeah EVEN BEFORE MANTLE consoles have always enjoyed this advantage of low API allowing devs to ‘code to the metal’ so to speak....however this particular AMD Mantle is NOT on consoles straight from AMD mouth. Due to the headline allformats mistakenly implied it was on ps4 while not being on X1, THAT IS IN FACT FALSE. Your eurogamer link only acknowledges once again that Mantle is *similar* to ps4 API and DX11 X1 architechture for lower level game creation.

lol this is FROM THE VERY FIRST LINE IN YOUR OWN LINK, which just proves exactly what I said:
"AMD has revealed Mantle - a new low-level API for PC that offers game developers the opportunity to more directly access graphics hardware, eliminating many of the bottlenecks that hold back PC games performance from reaching its full potential"

-Why must I educate so often?

lol, fanboys have no shame, I guess AMD is now lying about their own tech, just hit disagree while all the links smack you in the face with the truth=say OUCH! lmfao

Klonopin1468d ago

They'll believe what they wanna hear regardless of what the article says.

black0o1468d ago

@jakes stop spinning facts for luv of God, u are trying so hard to put the ps4 and xbone on the same ship

bottom line is that Ps4 has secondary low-level API which specifically for the PS4 and M.cerny talked about it over and over unlike MS

so go ahead and find me a link or proof that says other wise except ur opinion

GTgamer1468d ago

Jokesonyou your a xbox fanboy so what are you going on about you defend MS to death but call out Sony fans for doing the same i don't get you :/ good neither console have Mantle so i guess no one wins this war so lets write long comments to prove what exactly? that both consoles don't have it good for you.

Ezz20131468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

@JokesOnYou

i will ask you this and i want a simple answer
since xbox don't have it
do ps4 have low-lvl API or not ?!
yes or no ?!
and i want a link that confirm it

don't give me long comment

black0o1468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

@disagrees and @jokes allow me to smack this on ur face http://www.pcgameshardware....

and my face is still waiting ..

@below i'm not saying that the ps4 has mantle i'm saying it has a low-lvl API and the fact that xbone only support the Dx unlike the ps4 which is supporting both Dx and openGl or anyother APi codes ''in other world the mantle is a copycat of what the Ps4's API do''

if what i'm saying is spinning then proof it

4Sh0w1468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

lol just verbally spanked all you fanboys.

blackoo if anybody is spinning its you, read carefully all jokes said was neither had Mantle which allformats said "Its on ps4" why are you correcting him everybody knows they can do low lvl game development lol thats not the point.

GTgamer hold on so wait anybody who corrects misinformation is an xbox fanboy=NO the bottomline is allformats is WRONG plain and simple thats not defending thats saying exactly what he did and you are just mad another sonfanboy got exposed as usual.

Ezz2013 wow are you slow? Read the damm news both have the ability to do low lvl game development similar to Mantle but its not Mantle like the first post said and blacoo wants is full of it trying to prove Jokes wrong when he clearly explains himself and its backed up right there in the links.

Ezz20131468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

@4Sh0w

i already know ps4 is using Low-lvl API but not the same as Mantle since it's exclusive to PC like this article confirm
and that what @black0o is saying
he never said ps4 is using Mantle
all he said ps4 is using Low-lvl API
but i didn't see anything that confirm it for xbox1
where is the link that confirm xbox is using it as well ?!

to be honest i have no idea what that do

GTgamer1468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

@4Show yes I'm a Sony fan big whoop i still a own xbox but i prefer Sony and PS for allot of reasons so i don't know what your exposing but that would make you a xbox fan too so i guess were both exposed smfh he didn't need to explain misinformation since that's what is article is for :).

mediate-this1468d ago

I honestly agree with you alot, i rarely type on here but i try, its good to read a post of some one who actually reads the article.

So much hate from both sides of the fence about these consoles, guys there just plastic. Enjoy your preferred taste, but the is just ridiculous

Ju1468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

"DirectX 11.2+/OpenGL4.4 FEATURE SET"...doesn't mean it runs those APIs, but it provides features on par with those APIs. What this mostly refers to is shader/compute within the render pipeline. And in no way does it confirm Mantel is in PS4s SDK (libGCM is).

christocolus1468d ago

@jokes

i read that article and it was stated clearly (not for consoles exclusive to pc)but yet they argue it...they seem to know better than amd now...dude sometimes its better to leave them in their ignorance...

RyuCloudStrife1468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

JokesOnYou although you are right this time(FINALLY)...... You are still a joke, an M$ CLOWN.

TheKayle11468d ago

@black ..u can be suprised ....i dont know why but.t.hey r not dropping their low lvl api is called mono...xb1 have one ps4 have another...

nukeitall1467d ago (Edited 1467d ago )

@black0o:

Clearly you are trying to mislead and spread FUD!

Of course the Xbox One has low level API. No one in their mind slaps on the world most commonly used graphics API and doesn't take into account performance on something as common as a console.

Low level access is the name of the game for consoles, and has always been. That is how you extract max performance.

This is the stupidest conversation I have seen in a long time!

Mantle is nothing more than a low level access that is shared across ATI chips available. It is just a specific implementation to combat the high level API encapsulating all the nastyness of incompatibility. If you code to Mantle, it is strictly for ATI.

Also your image via the link says nothing about low level API for PS4. In fact, all it really says is OpenGL and DirectX *FEATURE SET* not even *all* the features.

It's just a fancy way of saying we have some features in the latest graphcis API, but make it sound like we got it all!

Don't be fooled by the FUD spreaders!!!

darthv721467d ago

lets just look at it for what it is.

XB1 has 1 way of doing things...the DX way
PS4 has 2 ways...DX and OGL
PC has (at least) 3 ways...DX, OGL and now Mantle

Now was that so hard?

DomceM1467d ago

jokes i never agree with you so this will have to be a first.

this is too funny to pass up.

Fanboys are easy to spot nowadays.

loulou1467d ago

allformats the dupe account of dedicatedtogamers smh

walkincarpet1467d ago

ah...thank you JOY - it's always good to read a few sensible comments amongst the trash. Can't wait for MS to usher in the complete next gen experience with X1!

maniacmayhem1467d ago

These comments are beyond funny. The fact that Jokes provided a link and info and is still being called names or a liar is a true testament to some of these commenters mentality.

And then we all act surprised when we hear news about troll on Toys R Us youtube page or something similar.

It is really mind boggling.

P0werVR1467d ago

^

When I joined the site, I thought these were just common low trolls that most people will ignore and use the "rating system" to oust them out...nope, not on this site. This is troll nation and they thrive here unfortunately.

But the worst of em' I've come across so far are the PS fanboys. They are on a WHOLE other level of trolling and in most cases makes themselves look downright RIDICULOUS!

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heliumhead20301468d ago

It blatantly says that mantle is not in consoles

heliumhead20301468d ago

The title blatantly says EXCLUSIVE TO PC

papashango1468d ago

But the people in the comments section of N4G said..!!

BBBirdistheWord1468d ago

"But the people in the comments section of N4G said..!!

^^
pure win

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FrigidDARKNESS1468d ago

Go and do some research. Dude Mantle is not for ps4.
The API was design with Microsoft to replace Directx on PC games. AMD worked with Microsoft on every version with Mantle. This interview with an AMD engineer explains everything.

www.hardware.fr/focus/89/amd- mantle-interview-raja-koduri.ht ml

black0o1468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

they know about it .. they didnt co-make it nor own any part of it

Letros1467d ago

@Black0o

It's good that you ran out of bubbles because you have no clue what you're talking about.

black0o1468d ago

@allformats it's not problem for xbone it's much bigger problem for MS since the Mantle would effectively replace Microsoft’s Direct X along said valve OS -openGL-

JokesOnYou1468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

lol I see you switched your eurogamer links above, doesn't matter its still on the internet, and guess what according to that same link, it seems AMD's Mantle is NOT here to help Microsoft or Sonys console:

"Considering the boost Mantle could give to a Steambox, MS and Sony may wind up being downright hostile to it."
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

black0o1468d ago

did u read what i wrote or u just luv to act as a fanboy

Kleptic1467d ago (Edited 1467d ago )

Well MS is saying directX 11.2 offers 'close to metal programming on Xbox One'...AMD is saying DirectX 11.1 (not sure of any games that have used .2 yet) does NOT allow enough low level access on PC architecture (which makes sense, considering how much available hardware is out there)...

to me, its sort of MS saying 'its not us, its the hardware manufacturers drivers'...and the vendors are saying 'its not our drivers, its directx'...

Not sure what the big deal is either way...mantle, at most, will simply be an option for people with specific hardware...it'll never fully replace directx...unless it does something drastically better on the consumer end...hell even development costs are offset completely if it limits the PC's that can play it...

DoctorJones1467d ago

Black0o tries to act like he knows what he's talking about and makes himself look like a complete fool in the process. Excellent.

Great stuff, this is what makes n4g ideal for passing the time. It's the little moments like these that makes the whole site worthwhile.

'did u read what i wrote or u just luv to act as a fanboy '

And he's calling someone else a fanboy, lol that's priceless.

falviousuk1467d ago

I do love coming here to read the sony fanboy comments, they truly are priceless.

trying to convince people about nonsense as though its fact. And talking about stuff that they clearly have no idea about.

They also complain about the fanboys in playstation threads then tear through just about every xbox thread putting it down.

I just come here for a laugh now, its that ridiculous.

The sony fanboys have yet again attained the same level of idiocy they did back in 2009, and in some ways surpassed it.

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Saviour1468d ago

lol bunch of kids here. Console always has low-level Api's. no need for mantle on both X1 and ps4. dx 11.x version on xbox include low-level access.

aviator1891467d ago

Do you have any reading comprehension skills or do you just make up things along the way as you see fit??

lastofgen1467d ago

Ok, that's it.
allformats needs to lose a bubble, if not more.
it's freaking ridiculous how he has so many bubbles despite his obvious inaccuracies.

Bolts1467d ago

Mantle is on the PS4? LMAO!! Typical Sony fanboy ignorance.

Pain1467d ago

None of this Nerd crap means anything to
me..

I just wanna play games.

badkolo1467d ago (Edited 1467d ago )

allformats do you just lie to lie or is that how you try to get your view across by lying

babadivad1467d ago

You do know that there is absolutely no benefit to having mantel on PS4 or X1 right??? The only reason it was created is to give CONSOLE-Like low level access to the GPU on PCs. Since CONSOLES [Xbox & PS4 are consoles in case you had trouble understanding that] already have low level access to the gpu, can you tell me the benefit of a not as low access API running on them? Usually i just read on this site but i had to comment on the nonsense people were spouting having no idea what they're talking about.

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TacticAce1468d ago

they need to explain why the 290x is still not available for sale...

NarooN1468d ago

The NDA on the R9-290 series will be lifted tomorrow.

TacticAce1467d ago

I doubt it, AMD's advertisement was actually taken down from newegg. If I dont get the 290X by the time Battlefield 4 comes out I'll be highly upset Because not only did they not hold their word on the release date but now they are messing with my plans to get BF4 on its release date.

Xristo1468d ago

Totally! They need to hurry up because I'm on the verge of buying an eVGA 780 Classified. Just trying to hold out on the 290x reviews, pricing, and nVidia's reaction (hopeful price drop). My 580 is getting long in the tooth!

kingduqc1467d ago

Like about every gpu release they don't release all at the same time...

NDA lift on the high end the 15th

luisvideogames1468d ago

I recommend getting the Xbox One when it actually holds a candle against Sony's PS4 exclusives, and no, those late-gen 360 titles ported over to One don't count.

No hate, been with MS since the Original Xbox.

4logpc1468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

Last time I checked...it was up to the individual to decide what games were better...

BigShotSmoov0071467d ago

Noooooooooo 4logpc....It's up too Sony fanboys to determine what games are better. At least thats how it is on this website

Trekster_Gamer1468d ago

No hate but you spew troll ignorant hatred. Everyone minus blind Sonybots agree that the launch lineup looks every bit as good if not better than Any Sony launch game..

No need to retread Xbox 360 old news but we all know in the history of last gen games looked better and played better on the 360.

Haloo 4 looked as good as any PS3 title, better story and gameplay than any PS3 title.

Trolls and Sonybots disagree below...

BlackTar1871467d ago (Edited 1467d ago )

Lol troll and sonybots.

LOL

halo 4 did not look as good. Game splaying better is debatable depending on the games you're talking about. Halo 4 story was just alright.

lol GG trekster

redcar1211468d ago

Fan boys never read the post lol

FlyingFoxy1468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

That's N4G for you.

On another note, good news that AMD are doing this with Mantle, hopefully now we get higher fps in games like above 60+ even on newer releases.

wishingW3L1468d ago

and there goes the chance of the Xbox to finally have an equivalent to Sony's libgcm.

wishingW3L1468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

here sir:

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Read and learn something. Xbox has low level extensions through DirectX but libgcm is an entire library dedicated to it.

4logpc1468d ago

@wishing

Your comparing a 2009 article about Xbox 360 Vs a 2013 piece about PLaystation 4....

And Microsoft has said many times, Direct X 11.2 is being developed so developers have full access to all of the benefits...

wishingW3L1468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

I'm gonna be honest with you. You can't argue without knowledge and you obviously have none. Based on your current response it's obvious that you don't even have the slightest idea of what is being discussed here.

The first link is an article from 2009 that talks about the low level API on current gen consoles (X360's directX vs PS3's libgcm). The second link is from 2013 and it talks about the low level API on the PS4 (which BTW is the same as the PS3's).

So if you want to learn a little bit about the topic then read my links. But if you just want to continue being a fanboy talking nonsense like most other users of this site, then be my guest. Continue spreading misinformation and talking about stuff you don't understand.

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dude, just stop. You have everything mixed up and that happens because you don't know anything. I'm not even praising anything... I'm just saying that libgcm is an entire library dedicated to low level programming while DirectX only has a few extensions. -___-

The benefits it talks about is that because DirectX is more streamlined it speeds up the shader programming (nothing to do with low level). But because you're a fanboy trying to argue about stuff you don't understand you just don't realize that.

But if you want to continue the argument since I'm out of bubbles we can create a topic on the forums. I can even give you some of my low level code running and show you how to run it on your PC so you believe me that even though I'm not an expert (just a student) I know much more about the topic than you do.

And I would do this because I don't like people questioning my knowledge, especially people like you that is so obvious that don't know anything.

4logpc1468d ago

@wishing

Don't tell me what I know and don't know...I have plenty of knowledge bud.

You can try and sit all high and mighty because your on n4g, but again your comparing API's that have changed for Microsoft. Comparing an old version of Direct X to Playstation 4.

Maybe you should read what you post because it clearly states in your little link there, that it has benefits and drawbacks.

There are many different ways to program software, and there will never be a 100% right way. That is left up to the developers.

Dont call me a fanboy when your the one trying to praise a Playstation API as the best thing since sliced bread.

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Saviour1468d ago

lol Xbox one already have low access to hardware the same as ps4 has. try harder!