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Submitted by Abriael 314d ago | news

Microsoft’s Albert Penello Explains Why Kinect is “Integral” to the Xbox One Experience and More

Microsoft's messages on whether Kinect is necessary or not to enjoy the upcoming Xbox One has been slightly confusing. To add even more confusion Popular Mechanics named the console within “The 10 Breakthrough Products of 2013″ mentioning the controversial camera as “integral” to the operation of the console. This, of course, sparked further debate on whether that means that it’s needed or not.

Microsoft Albert Penello came to the Rescue to explain what that really means and more. (Albert Penello, Xbox One)

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ArchangelMike  +   314d ago | Well said
To collect marketing data isn't it? Why else is it mandatory? Oh wait for all the 'TV stuff' you can do with it?

Yeah sure. Microsoft discovered a Trojan Horse, and have been harping on about it since. Once it's in your living room, and you click the "agree" button to the EULA, there will be no going back then.

As for it being any kind of breakthrough, where are the 'breackthrough' games that utilise Kinect 2.0. Heck what are the breakthrough applications that utilise Kinect 2.0 beyond "Xbox On".

Microsoft have been playing the "Semantic" game since they announced the XbOne. Every single announcement that has followed has had to be clarified, and clarified again. Now the same thing "semantics".

If you guys can't smell the BS by now, then you only have yourselves to blame when all your data and personal habits gets sold to Walmart.
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Sitdown  +   314d ago | Well said
Tin foil man....once you get to the Wizard,maybe he will remind you that 1) Kinect is no longer mandatory 2)Some people don't really care about the random data that could be collected 3)I hope you sent this post as an anonymous letter to a friend who posted it, because if not....you are just as vulnerable being on the internet where viruses exist from people who will collect way more than what Microsoft ever will.
Abriael  +   314d ago
It may be no longer mandatory, but it's "integral", and from what Penello says, it seems to be quite necessary to enjoy the console. Hell, he compares playing the Xbox One without kinect to playing the 360 without the controller.
Hellsvacancy  +   314d ago | Well said
"Tin foil man" lol, its' not conspiracy theory anymore buddy its conspiracy fact

The NSA has you
DragonKnight  +   314d ago | Well said
@Sitdown: Dude, mandatory Kinect features for every Xbox One game is going to happen. It's just a matter of time. Then what's next is making sure that Kinect is connected and on to use games with Kinect features and boom, every Xbox One will have targeted ads regardless of "opting in" or not. It's going to happen. Microsoft do not care about screwing people over and acting shady, as evidenced by the reveal of the Xbox One.

And that weak excuse of "you're just as vulnerable on the internet" not only A)Shows that you're agreeing that you're vulnerable with the Kinect which contradicts your original point, and B)is just trying to skirt the issue, but also isn't any kind of justification for what Microsoft is trying to do. These are gaming consoles, not ad boxes. Microsoft is trying to destroy gaming more and more with their B.S.
Mike134nl  +   314d ago
Not worried about kinect camera gathering private information.
Though people should worry about which information Microsoft and for that any other company collects of consumers. If people wouldn't push back on these issues companies will collect and store as much information even private of consumers.

Selling consumer information is a rather profitable business but is also regulated (well not for the NSA).
Sitdown  +   314d ago
@DragonKnight
Dude, all you are doing is speculating.....which media often does to cause mass hysteria. Could Kinect features become mandatory? Possibly....is it now? No. Should that day comes, all I need to do is point the camera at the wall....and rarely do I talk while playing games. At this time I do not really have a problem receiving customize ads for the little amount of gaming I actually do.

Please tell me what was my original point was that I contradicted. I never denied or agreed about vulnerability....but what I did say, is that if ArchangelMike feels that xbox has all these vulnerabilities....then he might want to be concerned that he is "just as vulnerable" in using the internet. So again, show my contradiction...as I showed no lean to either side. Microsoft is not trying to destroy gaming....Extreme Much? How does a camera Kinect stop you from playing games? As much as this site waves the victory flag of gaming....how is it that now that Microsoft the Minority can destroy gaming when Sony is King.
nukeitall  +   314d ago
@DragonKnight:

Out spreading FUD again?

Kinect can be turned off, or even disconnected. Problem solved if you don't want it.

Still don't want Xbox One? Then get a PS4.

I'm pretty sure you had no intention of getting the Xbox One anyhow.

By the way, do you have a facebook or google account?
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andrewsqual  +   314d ago
@DragonKnight Will fix that for you
"as evidenced by" the Xbox 360 itself.

Sniff I thought Microsoft were money grubbing bastards long before you all did ;(
Freedomland  +   314d ago
@nukeitall

The question is this, if Kinect is not integral part then why do you have to buy it with console.
Microsoft didn't able to justify this and everybody is thinking that they are spending only 100$ more but what if kinect is 150$ or more and console is 350$ or less so it means you are paying a lot more cash for peripheral which maybe you are not going to use. Everybody is comparing the bundle with Ps4 price but what about console vs console price.
You think X1 is a 400$ console just because Ps4 is 400$. I don't think so.
JokesOnYou  +   314d ago
We've seen these scare tactics before with the original kinect:

Oct 10 2010
"In an interview with Gamespot, Phil Spencer boss of Microsoft Game Studios alleviates privacy concerns regarding the Kinect camera. "
http://gamer.blorge.com/201...

Oct 25th 2010
"Kinect Long Term Privacy Issues Daunting?"
http://m.networkworld.com/c...

Nov 15, 2010
"Kinect Camera Data Could Be Sold for Ad Targeting"
http://www.popsci.com/techn...

Nov 2, 2010
"Kinect IS Spying on you."
http://www.lazygamer.net/xb...

Nov 6, 2012
"Microsoft’s new Kinect patent goes Big Brother, will spy on you for the MPAA"
http://www.extremetech.com/...

-Theres alot more speculation from many sites and tons of blogs saying the original kinect would spy on us.

-Yet Kinect is in millions of homes and guess what we're all still alive, amazingly our sensational naked pictures arent all over youtube and my good name and identity is intact.

-The conspiracy theorists will never answer why their claims of the original kinect invading our privacy never beared fruit, lawsuits, victims of hacked kinect vids exposed on the internet, and epidemic of unintentional uploads of kinect vids, the NSA breaking doors down because of illegal activity recorded by kinect, nope nothing as I have shown they will speculate alot but offer nothing of significance to prove their claims, yet kinects history so far ONLY PROOVES THEM WRONG, but yet we are to believe we are in grave danger with X1's kinect.
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DragonKnight  +   314d ago
@Sitdown: I'm not the media so I don't know why you'd bring that up, and do you honestly think that Microsoft wouldn't put in a "point Kinect camera at your face" message and prevent the games from working unless the camera could see you? Come on now. Microsoft are experts at screwing with gamer rights and don't care about privacy. You think they're stupid enough to not think "gee, people will just turn the camera away or put a towel over it?" Come on.

You called ArchAngelMike "Tin Foil Man" for his completely plausible and, in point of fact actually occurring, point and then said "yeah, data is being collected, so what?" That's the contradiction. It can't be a conspiracy and fact at the same time. Microsoft is not actively trying to destroy gaming, but they are anyway. They've turned what should be a gaming console into an ad box and aren't shy about showing that that box is more about everything else BUT gaming. They are setting precedents for invasive advertising and anti-consumer tendencies that could easily trickle down into the future. You may enjoy a future filled with ads and ceaseless pay walls just to play a game, but I don't and many others don't either.

@nukeitall: And when Microsoft mandates that Kinect features are mandatory for all games and forces you to have Kinect on because a game has Kinect features? Then what? This is the company that tried to come out with the most anti-consumer, controlling, restrictive DRM in the console industry. Do you think they are above such things? This is the company that lied to your face about the Kinect collecting data, the company that is 100% committed to the original DRM ridden vision and you don't think they could do that? Of course YOU don't because you're wearing green tinted glasses. No coincidence that MS' colour scheme is green and everything about the Xbox One centers around how much money MS can gouge out of you.

Yep, not getting an Xbox One and I don't want Microsoft's policies to succeed and possibly give anyone else ideas that they can do the same thing. MS fanboys may love to be apathetic about being guinea pigs for anti-consumerism and privacy violations, but that doesn't mean anyone else is.

Oh yay, the weak facebook argument again. Tired of shooting that one down.

@JokesOnYou: The greatest threats are always hiding in plain site. Just because your business isn't made public for the world to see, doesn't mean it's not made public for businesses, private investigators, and the government to see.

Complacency will always lead to a situation in which your outrage will have come too late.
4Sh0w  +   314d ago
DragonKnight really? You are trying to hard, jokes proved with links all this kinect spying on you conspiracy stuff was said before I bet those same news was posted with comments like yours on n4g before the 1st kinect came out and yep nothing came of it so its funny how quickly you guys forgot about those lies spread back then because it all turned out to be BS.

Millions of kinects have been sold. Where are all these people who were supposed to be harmed by the 1st kinect invading our privacy?

Now you still have no proof of anything only accusations, so you take the easy cop out of of saying its going on behind closed doors lmfao really? So now that all the 1st doomsday kinect predictions didnt come true now you resort to micro is collecting and hiding millions of consumers private moments behind closed doors, what the hell are they doing with it?
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Gozer  +   314d ago
You sony fanboys are sickos, you seriously need help.DragonKnight how you got so many bubbles as much as you troll is a testament to how sony biased this website is.

Either way I want the Kinect because it makes the X1 better than the ps4. Voice recognition, in game video chat, IR Blaster, easier UI, etc,etc All while playing COD Ghosts on dedicated servers. Count me in.
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nix  +   314d ago
i know google reads words from your mail and tailor makes ad for us. xbox one also will do the same except it'll be doing via camera and microphone.

that part i find it creepy. it's like having a short circuit camera looking at you.
DragonKnight  +   314d ago
@4Sh0w: How do you know nothing came of it? And let's assume that the Kinect 1 wasn't good enough to do the data collection like the Kinect 2 is, does the fact that the Kinect 1 couldn't do it negate that the Kinect 2 WILL do it? By Microsoft's own admission, the Kinect 2 can and will be used for data collection. By Microsoft's own admission, and the work of others who found out, Microsoft hand over personal information to either the highest bidder or the government and have built systems to do so easier. And you're saying that a company like that, whose done nothing but lie and flip flop around like a pancake for the last 5 months isn't capable of continuing to do so?

I would love to see this world that Xbox fanboys live in where Microsoft have never, and will never, do any wrong. Where spying on you is ok because nothing happens (that you know of) and that if something like Google can get away with it (which if you paid attention, people are pissed off about as well) then it's ok for everyone to do it. That kind of fantasy world must be interesting indeed. In the real world though people fought for these basic rights, including the right to privacy, for decades because they knew it was right and here you all are just willing and ready to give those rights up just so you can use a flashy, substanceless camera that you're paying $100 for. Same mentality that causes the American Constitution to degrade unopposed every Presidential terms, same mentality that allows Obama to say right to your faces that you can't have 100% security and 100% privacy and you take it with a smile on your face.

See, if this DOESN'T happen, then cool no one loses anything. If it DOES (and believe me, when it comes to Microsoft they give less of a sh*t about you then Nintendo or Sony) then you'll have no right to b*tch about it later, although it won't stop you from doing so.

@Gozer: Xbox fanboys are always whining about bubbles because they don't have more, even though JokesOnYou has 7 proving this site isn't filled with your enemies trying to silence you. Bubbles don't mean anything. You need to get over bubble counts. Especially since they will be leaving soon enough.

"Either way I want the Kinect because it makes the X1 better than the ps4. Voice recognition, in game video chat, IR Blaster, easier UI, etc,etc"

No it doesn't. All those features you mentioned are possible on the PS4. Easier UI? Yeah ok.

"All while playing COD Ghosts on dedicated servers."

Which will have dedicated servers on the PS4 as well. Your point?

Listen to you Xbox fanboys. You spend most of your time talking about features that A)Most of you won't use and you know it, and B)Have nothing to do with games. Are you gamers or feature players? Yeah, features can enhance the overall experience, but why are you talking as though they take precedence over a gaming console being about games first? It's to the point where you may as well beg Microsoft to record you because that's what you sound like you love about the Xbox One.
DeadManIV  +   314d ago
We have protection against viruses man, we don't let that shit into our homes
tuglu_pati  +   314d ago
@DragonKnight going off hard... lol. Dude you really are trying to hard. Just enjoy your PS4.
Sitdown  +   314d ago
@DragonKnight
So you think Microsoft is stupid enough to mandate that developers include code to make you put the camera on you just so that you can play their games. Hahah...are you serious? Lets say Microsoft took your absurd thought process, just like there were work arounds for Android's face to unlock, there would be work arounds here.

"yeah, data is being collected, so what?" Yeah, not sure who you are quoting.... cause that is no where in my original post. Like others have said, you are trying to hard... and it shows when you start making up stuff that I never said. No where did I even say data was being to collected. Regardless of what you think Microsoft's box should be doing, everybody who knows anything, knew that from the original Xbox that it had always been more than about gaming... but being the center of the living room. So far I have not been bothered by the ads, and loading straight from the disc will most likely continue this trend.
JokesOnYou  +   314d ago
"Where spying on you is ok because nothing happens (that you know of)"

-So your whole case is built on this? lol You make wild claims and all you got as evidence is "bu bu but you dont know if it its NOT true", thats weak what happen to if you say something then you offer something creditable to give weight to your statements. I've already shown past speculation like your BS claims now have been preached before regarding kinect spying yet we have nothing tangible that came out of those claims. Again you got nothing but hot air.
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johndoe11211  +   314d ago
@JokesOnYou

And yet we have proof that they have been feeding NSA info for years.
johndoe11211  +   314d ago
@Freedomland

I specifically remember an xbox one first or second party dev saying in an interview that the kinect cost almost as much as the system itself to build. Am I wrong about this?

Edit: http://www.gamesindustry.bi...
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johndoe11211  +   314d ago
@gozer

"All while playing COD Ghosts on dedicated servers. Count me in."

What the hell does that have to do in a discussion about kinect? And yet you have the audacity to call others fanboys.
Biggest  +   314d ago
You mention scare tactics since the original Kinect, JokesOnYou. Do you care to highlight the usage tactics of the original Kinect?

I'll go with you on the scare tactics if you're willing to go with me on the fact that the original Kinect was a fabricated promise that failed to deliver on almost every highlighted function.

Lost in all of this talk about privacy is the fact that the Kinect has yet to prove itself as a gaming staple. It sucked the first time. It doesn't seem to be doing much better this go 'round.
nypifisel  +   314d ago
Actually it wouldn't even been on peoples radar if it wasn't for MS themselves talking about it, not to us the consumer, but to advertisers...
JokesOnYou  +   314d ago
Biggest I have said many times that for me Kinect never had a meaningful impact on the kinds of games I like. I acknowledge therevwer notabl3 games like Dance Central and Kinect Sports that I thought Kinect did well for and a few games like ME3 to me showed the potential of exploring Kinect however for the mist part it didnt live up to the hype. Consequently just as devs have released subpar games and rebounded with great ones past flaws is no reawon to quit and thats exactly why I'm glad micro went back to the drawing board instead of giving up. I always said the hybrid route has more to offer core games and it seems this is the new direction. Now if you want to say Kinect sucks for gaming and it always will then fine I disagree so just move along and let us who are interested see what happens.

OT so nothing is lost on me about the merits of kinects gaming capability however due to the misinformation above we were discussing specfically in this case Kinect being a spy cam to which Ive never seen any tangible proof that kinect has harmed anyone by releasing private info, data, or vids of gamers publicly. I know, I know keep talking do anything to avoid the fact that the naysayers never show proof.
RyuCloudStrife  +   314d ago
No tin foil hat needed when it is fact. You hit agree blindly not knowing that you are accepting god knows what.

Example if you have the latest youtube update you agreed to allow the youtube app to have control over your camera to take pictures and videos AT ANY TIME.... read the permissions you've given it. Why does youtube or GOOGLE need to take over my camera and take videos if it wants to from my phone?

Kinect is indeed a trojan horse and it is all pushed by the government at the end of the day, to know your every move.
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JokesOnYou  +   314d ago
Biggest I have said many times that for me Kinect never had a meaningful impact on the kinds of games I like. I acknowledge therevwer notabl3 games like Dance Central and Kinect Sports that I thought Kinect did well for and a few games like ME3 to me showed the potential of exploring Kinect however for the mist part it didnt live up to the hype. Consequently just as devs have released subpar games and rebounded with great ones past flaws is no reawon to quit and thats exactly why I'm glad micro went back to the drawing board instead of giving up. I always said the hybrid route has more to offer core games and it seems this is the new direction. Now if you want to say Kinect sucks for gaming and it always will then fine I disagree so just move along and let us who are interested see what happens.

OT so nothing is lost on me about the merits of kinects gaming capability however due to the misinformation above we were discussing specifically in this case Kinect being a spy cam to which Ive never seen any tangible proof that kinect has harmed anyone by releasing private info, data, or vids of gamers publicly. I know, I know keep talking do anything to avoid the fact that the naysayers never show proof.
Sitdown  +   314d ago
@Ryucloudstrife
I infrequently visit the YouTube website from my computer and not once had to agree to any updates. Pretty sure there is no camera to takeover on my older desktop or work laptop. Yeah....a camera in my family room will some how keep track of my every move while I am in my car driving. Take off your tin foil jumpsuit.
amiga-man  +   314d ago
ArchangelMike

Couldnt' agree more this is about M$ selling data and little to do with gaming M$ just want to create another cash cow and hide it behind the pretence of it being a gaming device.

Kinect is not needed by anyone except M$ to fund their greed!!!
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come_bom  +   314d ago
One small advice to Microsoft, release a cheaper Kinectless X1, otherwise they already lost next gen... unless they don't mind coming behind Sony next gen just as long they make a profit on the console.

Most gamers don't want nor care for Kinect (or PS Move for that matter). I'm ugly, don't want cameras filming me (Kinect nor PS Eye).
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gameonbro  +   314d ago
considering they werent going to "win" the generation anyway kinectless sku or not so they shouldn't get rid of kinect to please fickle people.
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nukeitall  +   314d ago
I think what you are seeing now is the niche hardcore. They tend to be early adopters that pre-order and are very vocal about their gaming habit.

However, once you cross over to the mainstream consumers that are more interrested in a family device. They don't pre-order, don't care about the latest specced games, only what junior, sis, daddy and mommy can do together and alone. That is the market MS trying to widen their net to.

So don't be surprised when MS sales are strong moving forward. The real battle start next year, when more games are released, current console are in peoples home and more is known about the different selling features.
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nix  +   314d ago
i think it's too late for that. kinect is so embedded into their eco system and xbox one, they can't totally split it. they can probably turn it off but i'm sure kinect will still be listening or doing something... we really don't know how they screwed it up badly.
ICECREAM  +   314d ago
I think i have to agree.
rainslacker  +   314d ago
nuke, that also isn't the market that buys $500 consoles. Nintendo is a family focused name and is half the price. Sony is cheaper, and has quite a few well known and popular family titles.

3-4 years from now, with price drops, maybe it'll mean more, but if it takes 3-4 years for MS to surge forward in sales, it'll likely be too late in terms of development support, and it'll end up being like the Wii with a crap ton of shovelware, and hardware at a discount bin price. Is that something to look forward to being a core gamer?

All for the sake of Kinect I might add. If MS is trying to replicate what Nintendo did with the Wii, they have done it completely backwards, and only show they have no idea why the Wii was popular with the casual family market in the first place.

I want to believe that MS can succeed in the family oriented market, but their initial offering is not for this market. It is for the hardcore and moderate gamer. Either way, the motion control fad has dwindled. It may still be useful to a family, but it doesn't have the wow factor it once did, and both Sony and Nintendo offer similar offerings at a cheaper price.
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badkolo  +   314d ago
so then poeople that buy the ps eye for ps4 which does the same, what about them, are they screwed too, or only when ms does it, go fys
amiga-man  +   314d ago
badkolo there is a huge difference between a device that is optional and a device that has been built with the aim of collecting data and selling that information to advertisers.

One was designed with gaming in mind one for collecting data from as many people as possible, gaming is the mask they hide it behind, it is so obvious I'm surprised you don't see it.
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badkolo  +   314d ago
the kinect 2.0 is now also optional, so your point is moot, you must buy it with the system but dont need to use it. they specifically said its not collecting datat and you can cotnrol the options, stop your lying
amiga-man  +   314d ago
Badkolo do you really need it spelling out for you? having a Kinect in as many homes is what M$ wants which is why there is no option to buy an xbox without one,

it is doing that not for the good of gaming but to collect data which despite your protestations they have all but admitted to by saying saying it will monitor heartbeat and facial expressions, the only ones lying are Microsoft in what the real purpose of kinect is, stop kidding yourself otherwise
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Sitdown  +   314d ago
When the Wii was released and Microsoft brought out the original Kinect it was said that Microsoft was trying to mimic the success of the Wii... now that Microsoft is bundling the Kinect justv like the Wii did with its sensors.... now it's because they want to use it for collecting data. Why could Microsoft not just be trying to be the Wii 2?
MysticStrummer  +   314d ago
"the kinect 2.0 is now also optional"

Oh you can choose not to buy it? That's great news!

/s

If you have to buy it, it's not optional, it's "integral".
ShwankyShpanky  +   314d ago
"ps eye for ps4 which does the same"

Source?
Nocando  +   314d ago
Wish we could down vote for "stupid".
TechMech2  +   314d ago
Kinect is important for Xbox one. It sets it apart from other systems, and developers know that everybody who purchased an Xbox one received Kinect in the box. Some people don't like it, but if they hate it so much, they shouldn't be buying an Xbox one and shouldn't be complaining about a system their not buying.
Mrgolden79  +   314d ago
I'm complaining cuz I wanted to buy an xbone. I have both a 360 and a ps3 this gen and was looking forward to it. Then ms pulls this shit. Its not even about games anymore, its about raping their customers in the ass. And then people like you buy it. The folly of the whole "if you dont like it dont buy it and dont complain" is that if people said nothing, they will continue their ass backwards policies. You know why they dropped DRM?? Its because people complained about it. The people who are okay with this shit and buys it are against the common good of gamers. It sends a message to ms that they can get away with it and gives them no incentive to give us what we really want, a pure gaming device, no mandatory cameras or ads,no tv, no locking everything behind a paywall, just games.
stiggs  +   314d ago
@ Mrgolden79

If you use terms like "raping their customers in the ass" when referring to a company that makes a video game console then you automatically lose all credibility. I literally stopped reading your comment after you uttered that phrase.

Does "79" refers to the year you were born? It's time for you to grow up.
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SIGNALS  +   314d ago
We're not complaining but trying to find the truth under the rug of lies of Microsoft.
Buy it what you like it but if someone is trying to make fool out of you, what would you do...............
The answer is up to you.
kabala  +   314d ago
Idk why we as gamers harp on this. The solution is easy for me. All I hear is choice, so why don't some of you exercise the greatest choice we as consumers have. To buy or not to buy. It's really that simple. I want Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo to make whatever system they want then I as a consumer will exercise my rights to choose what system fits my needs.
UnHoly_One  +   314d ago
You guys have no idea how insane you sound to a rational person. lol

It's gotten to the point where it is just hilarious.
stiggs  +   314d ago
@ Unholy_One

I completely agree with you. I don't know whether to laugh or pity them.
UnHoly_One  +   314d ago
I've been going with a mix of both.
kickerz  +   314d ago
I think a few of these guys need to put a mirror next to their bed so they can wake up to them self
jessupj  +   313d ago
What hilarious, and by hilarious I mean pathetic, is the number of MS apologists like you that think this isn't a possibility. And than you have the audacity to call other people insane and refer to yourself as a ration person.

The irony probably escapes you.

I'm not saying MS are or they aren't, but the possibility is very very real. It's already been proven they've done very shady things in the past, including spewing complete lies to the public and they're also in bed with the NSA.

I should be used to MS apologists disregarding rationality and logic, but I'm not.

You're very ignorant if you really believe MS wouldn't do this, but I suspect you aren't actually this stupid and instead are fully aware of how the real world works and are just blindly defending MS because of your preferred console.
UnHoly_One  +   313d ago
You missed the whole point, jessupj.

It's not about whether this is a "possibility".

It's about "who gives a damn?"

Microsoft can collect all the info they want on me to use it to show me ads that are tailored to my preferences.

Where is the negative in that?
jessupj  +   313d ago
Wow... just wow.

If you seriously don't know what's wrong with secretively taking someone's personally information and selling it... I just... wow. You obviously can't be reasoned with so I'm not even going to bother.

You mustn't have a problem with getting bent over and violated either.
UnHoly_One  +   312d ago
You can't go anywhere or do anything without somebody collecting information on you. That's the world we live in.

There is nothing my Xbox can collect that can possibly concern me.

What kind of games I like? Movies? Music? And if Kinect is "spying" on me, it can see what, exactly? My favorite brand of beer? What kind of clothes I wear?

What exactly are you afraid of?

Unless you are holding an Al Queda meeting in your living room, please tell me what you are doing that you are so worried someone is going to find out about.
The_HarryEtTubMan  +   314d ago
So true.
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BallsEye  +   314d ago
Child. It's mandatory because when developers know it's in every box, they can add features to the games without risking no one will ever try it. It was a smart move. Almost every game coming out got some kind of kinect functionality, even bf4.
UncleGermrod  +   314d ago
Data collected is only for use by the console and sensor itself, Sensor does not need to bee connected at all times, to share any type of info with anyone is up to you and must be confirmed by the user (I think each app/game would have its own agreement for this). Plus the whole prizm government thing, while very scary, really was only aimed at certain select people who for some reason the government thought they should spy on. This set a terrible precedent i agree, but what i'm saying is chaances are no one wants to watch you game. Even the government does not have the resources to just start watching all gamers. You guys are too paranoid. Plus...I don't think MS would even risk having something like spy-kinect go public as it would ruin them for good in the eyes of all gamers.
Kayant  +   314d ago
For once I agree with hime because looking at kinect & XB1 they seem to have be designed hand in hand. The OS features & IR work well to provide a natural user interface with voice and gesture controls if you like that kind of thing.

Kinect for gaming however will probably never really take off until maybe when indie devs start to experiment with it. For now there's nothing *breakthrough* about the kinect for gaming it's just improved over it's predecessor.

ArchangelMike makes a good point initially am sure the other primary use of kinect was for advertising as the data kinect would give advertisers would be huge and MS doesn't look like they are going to stop doing ads anytime soon looking at the X360 and some things they have said recently. However, they can't do it to the extend as they could before as the supposed *required* kinect is now optional so even if you agree to it in the EULA they wouldn't really get any data from you since you don't need kinect plugged in anymore.
DragonKnight  +   314d ago
Until forced Kinect features are a requirement, and Kinect being necessary to play games becomes a reality.
vigilante_man  +   314d ago
Good points, well made. Is this really N4G?
Ohlmay  +   314d ago
I give props for Microsoft not caving and making a Kinect-less SKU. I want to see Kinect becoming an integral part of controller based gaming because there's a lot of potential for innovation in gaming. I would loved at $400 price tag more, but if what PC gamers did with the original Kinect is any indication of what Kinect 2.0 will be on the Xbox One, I think we can expect some very interesting new mechanics introduced with the new Kinect 2.0 for gaming.
ArchangelMike  +   314d ago
But this is my argument. Microsoft have not shown anything revolutionary with the Kinect 2.0. They are harping on about how it is integral, and how much of a 'breakthrough' it is. But name me one game, or one application that demonstrates this 'Breakthrough'?
Which of their launch games, or launch line up demonstrates the why Kinect needs to be integral?
Ohlmay  +   314d ago
Kinect isn't something developers are going to fully know how to implement into gaming day one, give the tool available to developers and eventually it will happen. We saw PC gamers utilize Kinect 1.0 in fascinating ways and with self publishing being available for the Xbox One, we can definitely expect Indie developers to figure out some very interesting new mechanics, even the developer of "Journey" has stated his next game will utilize Kinect. But I fully understand why you aren't sold.
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Nicaragua  +   314d ago
"Kinect isn't something developers are going to fully know how to implement into gaming day one"

Errr....why not? Developers have had its predecessor for the past couple of years to try ideas out on (they all sucked btw) and they would have had Kinect 2.0 dev kits to develop next gen kinect applications on - so where are they ?

Where is even the MS equivalent of Sony's playroom tech demo ?
gameonbro  +   314d ago
they don't have to show anything revolutionary. thats an ignorant position. if you are looking for this breakthrough game what percentage of people buy any the best game? halo and gran turismo for instance sold to between 12-15% of the entire user base. in other words a "breakthrough" game at luanch especially would only please a small percentage of the fanbase. game preference is wide. voice, auto-sign in, auto-configurations, should be good enough to make it integral for them. btw kinect fitness is a pretty kick ass app. for anyone that wanted to try those programs its definitely worth plugging in
Nocando  +   314d ago
What about zombies being able to "hear" you in DR3? Or it being able to detect your heart rate? What does it need to do to please you? Oh, that's right, it would need to have "Sony" stamped on it to be revolutionary and ground breaking. Just buy your PS4 and stfu.
TechMech2  +   314d ago
Why does Microsoft need launch titles to take advantage of Kinect? They have the option whenever they want, and it can be subtle instead of gimmicks.
nix  +   314d ago
devs can make game less hard when kinect detects heart rates going up.
christocolus  +   314d ago
@ohlmay
same here dude...the tech seems really impressive and im glad its packaged in the box..d4 ,kinect sports rivals and deadrising are just a taste of better things to come..even some aa devs like shinji and hideo kojima are amazed by the tech and plan to use it in revolutionary ways ..ms research is also working with 1st party devs on new concepts for the device to be integrated into future titles...heard blacktusks game uses it in a very cool way too.so by this time next year we will actually start seeing more amazing stuff from both 1st and 3rd party devs.
hulk_bash1987  +   314d ago
Its integral becuase microsoft says so. I would personally give up the kinect if it meant lowering the price tag. But since it isnt gonna happen I'll just deal with it when I pick up an xbox one and Titanfall next year.
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Ittoryu  +   314d ago
You could get on PC Tiatnfall isn't and xbone exclusive
Nocando  +   314d ago
I'm sure everyone knows by now that Titanfall is also on PC, but I'm sure he appreciates you reminding him. Message I am getting from many of you idiots is "omg don't buy the xbone"!!
vigilante_man  +   314d ago
I am not getting XB1 any time soon. Was not impressed at the reveal and was put off by their dodgy 180s. I do like the PS4 and Sony have a great record on exclusives and seem very gamer/developer friendly right now.

If I do get XB1 in the future it will depend on great exclusives and also whether they re-introduce DRM and also how they implement Kinnect 2.

It is an amazing piece of kit. I just think gamers and developers do not like it. They have gone for the casual market and their up-coming advertising will show that.
Drewidian  +   314d ago
I hear people on their reasons for not wanting to buy an Xbox One at launch, but to me it has the most potential of the next generation consoles. I'll tell you why I want one at launch and it probably won't matter to most people for the launch, but it does to me.

I have a family who is spread across the world. We use Skype to communicate and while I was hoping Skype would come to the Xbox 360's Kinect, i understand why it didn't. Everyone in my family is getting an Xbox One so we can talk frequently to each other in the livingroom where it is just much easier to communicate. MS said that group Skype was going to be available at launch for up to 25 participants which will work out for us. My wife exercises alot and wants to do it with her sister and nieces, so they are looking at Zumba fitness and even the P90 programs which will cost a lot less and they plan on Skyping to each other while they work out for motivation. I know of people who go to the same gym and are talking about doing the same thing with the convenience of doing it at home. They'll just unroll their mats in the living room and work out. There's a ton of potential here that will not be available to the PS4. The Xbox One will appeal to a lot more people than the PS4.

We are cable subscribers through Comcast and personally I like what MS is doing with the TV integration. It has tons of potential there for interactive live content, but again we may Skype with friends and family and just watch TV together. I did watch the Halo world championships a few weeks ago and have even watched the presidential debates and thought that this capability to take polled questions, respond, and see instant results was really powerful and compelling. There's also a possibility that MS will partner with cable and satellite companies around the world and offer subsidized Xbox Ones on a 2 year contract for $99 - $199 which will push the Xbox One past the hard core gamers to a much broader audience and with more consoles out there selling services and software developers will find it appealing. MS my even throw in Xbox Live for people on these contracts as part of the deal with the cable companies. Yes MS said they intend to roll out ALL of their Live services world wide so we may see this deal in countries besides the US.

Games... yes all of what I said had little to do with games, but I like the Forza series, Rise looks mildly interesting, and while I'm not a Dead Rising fan, I think I will get it. I was a big Killer Instinct player when it first came out so that's on my list as well. To be honest, yeah its a light launch with nothing spectacular, but to me over the years it has much greater potential than the PS4 simply because it has more usability for the entire family in my household and not just the gamers. I may get a PS4, but to me other than a few of the games, there's just nothing interesting about it and is a modest upgrade over the PS3.
DragonKnight  +   314d ago
First Paragraph: Microsoft wants Skype on PS4. And even without Skype, you can do pretty much what Skype can do on the PS4 if you have a camera anyway.

I won't comment on the rest of your reasons because I could do little more than tell you that cable tv isn't potential and games are subjective. Enjoy your device.
Drewidian  +   314d ago
Even if Skype shows up on PS4 it won't be integrated as the default messaging/call/video chat system, and since most PS4 owners don't ever intend on getting the PS Eye, it doesn't look likely to matter much. If I was MS I wouldn't see it as being worth the development time.

Its about the future potential. There's just no reason for any dev to work on the integrating the PS Eye into their software. There will be little to no return on the investment.

As far as cable goes, there are still many more times cable and satellite users over just hard core gamers. If MS plays its cards right (and that's debatable considering how poorly they've done so in the past) and make the right partnerships, they could see a significant sales in the way the Wii sold to the casual gaming market, except that the Xbox One is more useful. We'll have to see how it all turns out and what MS's long term plans are, but for the broader market the Xbox One has more features and appeal and that may be the difference in the long run.
DragonKnight  +   314d ago
"Even if Skype shows up on PS4 it won't be integrated as the default messaging/call/video chat system, and since most PS4 owners don't ever intend on getting the PS Eye, it doesn't look likely to matter much. If I was MS I wouldn't see it as being worth the development time."

How many Xbox One users do you think want to use Kinect especially when it's yet to prove actual usefulness?

"Its about the future potential. There's just no reason for any dev to work on the integrating the PS Eye into their software. There will be little to no return on the investment."

And there's no guarantee that devs will integrate Kinect either, until MS forces them to.

"As far as cable goes, there are still many more times cable and satellite users over just hard core gamers. If MS plays its cards right (and that's debatable considering how poorly they've done so in the past) and make the right partnerships, they could see a significant sales in the way the Wii sold to the casual gaming market, except that the Xbox One is more useful."

Nope, sorry but that's not practical. People already have cable boxes. They don't need an Xbox One, or to pay $500, for what they can already do. Cable boxes can integrate any non-Kinect related features that the Xbox One will have such as that aforementioned public polling you spoke of. Don't underestimate how cheap people are.

"We'll have to see how it all turns out and what MS's long term plans are, but for the broader market the Xbox One has more features and appeal and that may be the difference in the long run."

Appeal is subjective.
ArchangelMike  +   314d ago
@Drewidian
To each his own. But you have to face certain facts when making your decision. Of all that you have said, you have not shown anything about the XbOne that warrants it's price tag for you and yours. The functionality that you are looking for you can get for free on a host of other devices.

Skype, and group Skype are free on a PC, Laptop, Tablet, Mobile phone etc etc. Netflix, Hulu, 4OD, Film4, ESN, etc etc etc are again all free on a host of other platforms. Especially if your focus is not on gaming. Cable TV and game shows are nothing revolutionary to warrant such a price tag.

You do know that your statement that, "The Xbox One will appeal to a lot more people than the PS4," is completely proved to be wrong by the hardware pre-order numbers, and software pre-order numbers for both consoles. It is common knowledge that the PS4 is out-selling the XbOne in terms of pre-orders. You know this right?!

But yeah, the XbOne has potential, and more potential. Probably. But I think the informed consumer can see that Microsoft have another agenda up their sleeve, and it has very little to do with gaming.
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Nocando  +   314d ago
Good luck with your campaign to prevent people from buying an Xbox One, I am sure Sony has a brand new Ps4 on its way to you.
Freedomland  +   314d ago
Yeah you have some valid points.
BLAKHOODe  +   314d ago
Great points, particularly with the exercise and Skype integration. I never even thought of that! I already have my Xbox One paid for (and a PS4), but your post got me even more excited for the possibilities to come. Thanks! Bubble up!
McScroggz  +   314d ago
For what you want, the Xbox One seems to be a good choice. Sure, the PS4 will most likely have Skype (PSVita does) and I'm not sure how the whole "Xbox One was built with Skype in mind" will change anything other than having a voice command - but I'm willing to accept that the idea of doing something like exercise with family while on a Skype call would be important. Personally that is something that seems odd to me, but for you it might be awesome.

Other than that, I'd be a lot more skeptical of the console. You seem absolutely positive the Xbox One will get subsidized, but A) it might not happen and B) You seem like you are getting at least one Xbox One around launch so if in a year or two it is subsidized it wouldn't affect you.

As for TV integration, I'm just not really buying it. For every program to have anything meaningful Microsoft will have to spend time and money adding interesting content. Call me cynical, but I think for most things it will be pretty uninspired or possibly even veiled advertising. Sure, there are cool possibilities, and I'm sure Microsoft will have some programs with interesting TV intergration, I just think that won't be the norm.

Plus, when I'm watching a TV show I care about like Breaking Bad I don't want anything distracting for the program.

Games are subjective. If you like Microsoft's exclusives and don't like Sony's then cool. For me, when I look at everything Sony was able to put out this generation and compare it to Microsoft, it's not even close. Of course if Microsoft buys enough 3rd party exclusives it might make it closer. Regardless, everyones preferences are different.

So for you I understand that what the Xbox One offers outside of gaming makes it more appealing. There's nothing wrong with that.

For me, everything about what the PS4 offers for gaming is more compelling.
MCTJim  +   314d ago
From my standpoint and reading the actual facts about Kinect, everyone can opt out of the extras that MS has included with Kinect. We used our Kinect a lot on our X360. Not with the dance games, but with the Kinect sports titles. It provided us with hours of entertainment.
Since they included it with every X1, the price tag may indeed turn off people, which I see it indeed does. But I give them kudos for keeping it. It guarantees an installed user base, thus giving those developers a reason it adopt to it without having to worry if they wasted extra development costs for features no one will use.
I for one will be enjoying the X1 and PS4 this November and not worrying about specs vs specs and the console wars. I say its all about the games...and other extras thrown in..that is all I ask for in a console :)
BLAKHOODe  +   314d ago
I don't mind Kinect being part of the package. My 6 year old LOVES it and that alone makes it worth the extra cost. Besides that, better to pay an extra $100 for it as part of the package, rather than $150 for it as a solo add-on.

I do wish they would give us digital Xbox One ports of Kinect Sports 1 & 2 as a freebie to go along with it, especially since Kinect Sports Rivals has been delayed.
vigilante_man  +   314d ago
The biggest problem I had with the Playstation Camera for PS3 was there were no free games to use it on for demonstration purposes. Sure there was a photo editor that was great fun. But if you introduce this kind of technology and want people to use it then offer free games to show potential.

Sony have learnt their lesson and the PS Vita has free games you can download to go with their camera and Augmented Reality cards.
Godmars290  +   314d ago
Whether its integral or not, MS hopelessly poisoned it with it's first presentation. Having a XB1 require it to work at all, then the NSA rumors coupled with all of the ad BS.
MightyNoX  +   314d ago
Of course, it's integral. Which is why Ryse, a game originally planned as a Kinect title, ditched it for standard controls.

Oh wait...
DigitalRaptor  +   314d ago
I've asked it before and I'll ask it again.

What kind of person in their right mind would support this backtracking, manipulative and proven anti-consumer company, regardless of how their games make you feel?

This is no longer "just about the games". On a site like this you get called out for criticising Microsoft as a "tinfoil hat wearing Sony fanboy", and quite frankly I'm getting more than weary of the cover-up bullcrap that is being done by the loyalists and apologists that Microsoft has wrapped around their little finger. What they're trying to do here with advertising and turning YOUR console into THEIR console is something that most logical gamers would be up in arms against. They're ultimate goal is ultimate control, as evidenced by their actions since the rumours first started, free services being behind the paywall, not to mention the DRM still being in the console when it ships, which can at any time be patched back in when they feel the time is right.

We've been waiting 4 years to be shown what Kinect can offer gaming, and even in its second more expensive iteration, Microsoft has shown nothing but multimedia functionality that the PS4 has also been confirmed to allow for, so it's clear what Microsoft's real intentions with Kinect were. This is something they've admitted themselves by:

1) Originally being required for the console to function
2) It being bundled
3) The dashboard being designed with advertising in mind
4) The reason Yusif Mehdi went to a marketing conference to sell anti-consumer surveillance measures for Kinect.

This information is largely ignored by those that hold MS dear to themselves, or those that are so indifferent to the whole anti-consumer schemes that it almost begs the question, "are these people even gamers that care about the state of gaming"? This information is true about Microsoft, and it's embitters certain people enough to blame it on "the Sony fanboys" rather than facing up to the reality of what Microsoft wants out of the gaming industry and what they hope are gullible and weak-willed consumers.

@ Nocando

You've just demonstrated to us all, the kind of weak-willing consumers who are willing to let anti-consumerism brush over them like a brisk wind. None of you guys care about the state of gaming or your fellow consumers. You're hardcore enough to come onto a gaming forum to talk about gaming, but you cannot stand up for or against industry practices? You need to think and actually analyse what your choices lead to and how they impact the rest of the guys in the industry who will believe this is a good way to make money at the expense of their consumers, all because a certain grade of consumer has been willing to take the bullcrap with another product from a company with a vastly different set of morals. I'm sorry if all of this exposure hurts your psyche, as we all know gaming is very dear to us and nostalgic.

However, what should be more to our concern is the influence we let certain companies dictate, and i'm sorry to say, but any person that gives Microsoft the green light through their purchase is affecting more than they know. And it's obvious either you guys actually don't understand the implications, or you're just singing with your fingers in your ears, hoping Kinect delivers a gaming experience you've always dreamed of since you were playing the NES with your Powerglove.
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Nocando  +   314d ago
Blah blah blah raptor, that's what these diatribes essentially are. Stop attempting to dictate what other people buy. Who the fuck do you think you are? Who the fuck do any of you Sony fanboys think you are? You think I worry about how you spend your money? Not for one second. Leave us the hell alone.
Godmars290  +   314d ago
It would be nice just to drop this BS since all the Xbox camp can do at this point is point the fanboy finger, but all they do is point the fanboy finger.

There just any reason in most arguments and comments any more, just accusation and personal fanatic belief.
MCTJim  +   314d ago
Personally, I dont think MS is anti consumer, but I find that some people are anti X company as a whole. I want Kinect and I thought for the most part they had a good thing going with what they originally announced the X1...minus the 24 hr check. I understood why they wanted it and why it was needed. But people stopped reading after they heard DRM and OMG I cant sell my disc back to Game X store if they are not participating. I get it..I do, but When you sift through the facts vs the rumors, all those policies were not so bad. MS just did a crappy job of explaining..and it was an absolute disaster PR wise..there is no disputing it.
As for how the system is now...and this is my opinion, we have two consoles that are basically the same. People can fight over specs if they choose to, but in the end, it boils down to games..games are the main deciding factor of any console..so I say let the games begin :)
DragonKnight  +   314d ago
When you attempt to take ownership of what a consumer bought completely out of the hands of the consumer, then that's anti-consumer. It doesn't get any more basic than that.

Microsoft were trying to tell everyone what they can do with the games they paid money for, who they could sell it to, and even for how much. How is that not anti-consumer?
Bzone24  +   314d ago
Was Sony anti-consumer when they secretly did the same thing with music CD's?
DragonKnight  +   314d ago
Is this a Sony thread? Does music have anything to do with games? Does anyone still listen to CDs?
ShwankyShpanky  +   314d ago
@Bzone: It was an entirely different division from PlayStation, but in a word, yes.

If we want to play tit-for-tat, I'd like to ask: Has Sony ever been the target of federal anti-trust prosecution?
McScroggz  +   314d ago
I'm of the mindset that Kinect2.0 is a really good piece of technology. Its core features plus what it makes capable for the Xbox One (such as voice navigation) may or may not work as well as intended. However, for me, I simply will not care about the Kinect until there are a few games that sell it to me. And, as some body who isn't clamoring for huge innovations with my consoles, I don't really care if Kinect2.0 is a success. Of course, I wouldn't mind it being awesome and becoming a convert.

That being said, the Kinect2.0 does have its selling points. From what I've heard it's great for families. I certainly wouldn't say voice navigation is worth $100, but it IS a cool feature even if I personally would rarely use it.

Of course, I'm of the mindset that the focus on Kinect also handicapped the rest of the Xbox One, and for the majority of gamers who wanted the new Xbox but are frustrated with the focus on ancillary features, lack of power in comparison to the PS4 and more complex architecture that all but assure most (if not all) multiplatform games will be superior on the PS4, I feel bad for you.
MCTJim  +   314d ago
Though I agree with most of your statement, I dont agree on the more complex architecture. I have not heard of one complaint on this from credible sources..its not to say that it may be more difficult than the set up the PS4 has, but from what I have read from Digital Foundry and on Polygon, the set up is just the next evolution of programming for the 360...which was easy to program for according to developers. So, in reality we will have to wait and see..that is when the consoles come out and people can finally speak on this.
McScroggz  +   314d ago
Both are x86 which makes it very easy to port to and from computers. The difference is that the PS4 has a unified memory pool whereas the Xbox One has the 32mb eSRAM plus the DDR3. If nothing else, that is a clear demarcation in ease of development. That's not to say the Xbox One will be hard to develop for, but the PS4 is more powerful with about as straightforward a design as you can get. Therefore, I have no logical reason to believe the PS4 won't be the easiest to develop for.
amnalehu  +   314d ago
I wanted to buy and Xbone when I heard about it. But it seems like MS was not really wanting or planning to release this system until Q1-Q2 201 and when when Sony did their PS4 reveal in Feb., they got caught with their pants down. It seems like everything thy have done has been in response to Sony and they have no clear message or vision as to what the Xbone. Right now I see no reason to buy an Xbox 1 AND a PS4 at launch. Help me out MS!
mochachino  +   314d ago
The haven't shown that it adds anything to games or even UI navigation aside from voice control.

Makes you question whether it needed to be a camera at all.
gamertk421  +   314d ago
There was a small hope that maybe SDFers would cool it on the Xbox articles for a while once Beyond Two Souls came out, just to lower the annoyance rate for a week, but since the game obviously sucks, unfortunately that is not the case. The old favorite, bashing the competition, once again is their number one go-to game of the week. How tiresome...
DigitalRaptor  +   314d ago
And somehow you feel Microsoft is untouchable? Of course, when it needs to be drummed into loyalists that supporting an anti-consumer corporation is the dumbest thing you could possibly do in this industry as consumers... Of course you will consider that bad. Of course you will be sick of it.

Poor Microsoft getting bashed for their anti-consumer measures and their lack of substance on a device they are pushing for the "future of gaming". Sony fanboys are (of course) wrong for exposing Microsoft for what they are, and the fans that support them for who they are. I'm sorry it annoys you, but that's what happens when you support something that is bad for the industry.

And Beyond Two Souls... love it. Most people who have played it seem to agree that it's a damn good game or experience, at least.
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gamertk421  +   314d ago
Flop
jgrigs09  +   314d ago
Can't believe Sony fans or people in general are still harping about the kinect being an NSA spy cam. Completely false morons. I give up on people or gamers in general
DevilishSix  +   314d ago
The FACT is MS saw another way to get $100 to 150 out of gamers by including it in the box. I think the hardware should have been made stronger in the X1 and made the Kinect sold seperately.

I have yet to see a game or app that is innovative and make the Kinect necessary and we are 3 years into this Kinect experiment and it gets an F grade score in my book.

Lastly, what is so great or innoovative about the function of the Kinect. Voice activation? Come on really! Why should I trade using my thumbs on my controller to putting my hands out and waving left to right, up to down. I don't see the innovation or making things easier.
Naga  +   314d ago
All of these comments from people freaking out about privacy concerns from Kinect 2.0 despite reassurances... How crazy would it be if we carried around personal devices in our pockets that had GPS location, voice, touch sensitive screens that could read fingerprints, private text/picture/video/email communications, and actively stored personal information to include all of our contacts and even our credit card information.

...

That would be crazy. I'm sure you would all be equally outraged and terrified of course....
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bligmerk  +   314d ago
So, Kinect is essential again.

Kinect is essential.
Kinect isn't essential.
Kinect is essential.
Kinect isn't essential.
Kinect is essential.
180 flip, 180 flip, 180 flip, 180 flip.

5 more weeks until PS4 launch, so we can probably expect at least 5 more Kinect flips in that time, next week it is not essential again. The it will be essential. Wonder if MS will get some kiosks out by then and everybody can try practicing yelling at it in the Best Buy and Gamestop, "XBone Off".
VonBraunschweigg  +   314d ago
Yeah, with Kinect MS is taking that "listening to your consumers" a bit too serious:) But you got to hand it to them, with four 180's they did give us the Xbox 720 we were talking about all those years.
H0RSE  +   314d ago
My 2 cents on the "why must we buy a Kinect" and "fear of advertising comments," is this:

Why do I have to get ESPN and MTV in my cable package?
Why are certain car packages unavailable without the purchase of Sirius radio?
Why do many pre-built PC's at retail stores come loaded with software I might not want?

The answer to all these questions is because they are packaged deals. The extra cable channels, the satellite radio, the pre-installed software, they are all elements that people may or may not not want or use, but if they want the core product they have to get them. This isn't a new concept, yet many seem as though selling the X1 and the Kinect as a bundle is some alien, "anti-consumer" idea. Fortunately for the Kinect, as well as all the examples I listed, the unfavorable elements are completely optional - you never have to use any of them.

The advertising rhetoric I keep hearing is a bit misplaced, as if they are going to ruin or even interfere with your gaming experience. If the ad's are anything like they currently are on XBL, they are completely optional. They display/play an ad in a tile and users can scroll over or watch it if they choose. It's not like players are going to have to endure a commercial break while playing games.

The ads are likely going to be tied to the dashboard, and there is already so much shit going on, from upcoming events, community updates, coming soon announcements for games, etc. that they could likely go unnoticed, so let's wait till the X1 releases to see how truly damning the advertising aspect will be.
edonus  +   314d ago
We are not retarded. We know Kinect is a major part of the X1 design and experience. The Only ones that act like it isnt is Sony trolls... and thats because they are ... well.... trolling.

You see them talking about how they "don't want" kinect and how it's forced on them (as if they were actually going to buy a X1 in the first place, HA". Fact is its not about whether you want a kinect or not the question is whther you want to play Halo, or Gears, or whether you like the X1 controller and dedicated servers or will you miss getting access to random games on the Ps+ or are you interested in smart tv and advanced entertainment features, open to try and play games different from the way you have for the last 20 years....

Kinect is just a tool of the system the question is do you want the system. Removing kinect would gimp the experience of a next gen system. Even the WiiU has a camera at least for communication purposes.

If you want to buy a gimped system the Ps4 comes out a week earlier than the X1 and is $100 cheaper and it very popular so you can feel like one of the cool kids.

Me.... I'll be waiting that week and upgrading my entertainment system in to a smart voice and gesture controlled tablet with multitasking smooth online game play and some of the best games money can buy.
Freedomland  +   314d ago
Those Sony trolls you are talking about are hardcore gamers and they don't buy console just for some gimmicks but they buy system for games and the hardcore gaming.
gamer2013  +   314d ago
Hard-core gamers care about games not brands and fyi, the X1 has the best games and the best online - just saying.
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Lykon  +   314d ago
what a load of shit kinect is
DarkBlood  +   314d ago
The more i keep hearing about the kinect the more im getting turned off from ever getting one even if they "Supposely" make a kinectless bundle

thankfully those titles that i like on there are just timed exclusives and the rest like halo 5 i could probably just watch it on youtube.
esemce  +   314d ago
Why ? Sh1tty little kinect mini games = easy money.
NeloAnjelo  +   314d ago
So integral... But yet not needed? And optional? Yet still consumers are still forced to pay for it, even thought they may not want it?

Ok MS.
esemce  +   313d ago
Yep that's why I cancelled my Xbox one pre order and kept my PS4, I do not like motion controls or having a camera on me whilst I try and relax and play a game.

I do not want to be forced to buy something that I do not want to use ever.
ThatOneDude  +   314d ago
PS4 = more of the same.

X1 = something new, different path, new possibilities.
NeloAnjelo  +   313d ago
Something new? Kinect is NOT new technology, nor is it a MS innovation.

You know what it is? Forcing consumers to pay for something that they may not want as part of the package, or experience....

Luckily its no longer a must for the console to function, and can be switched off. The fact that it was not that way before is everything that's wrong with MS's strategy. They think they know what consumers want, and they're telling us what we want. Even though most are saying NO!

Imagine always being on, and needs to for your console to work? How could anyone think that was acceptable. Thank God that's changed at least. Still don't want it though.
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Parasyte  +   314d ago
Oh, it's integral alright. Integral to me not buying one!

Bad jokes aside, why are MS so intent on shoving Kinect down everyone's throats?
Grimhammer00  +   314d ago
Targeted ads. And selling the metadata of users.
Here's how it works....
Kinect gathers video and audio which is converted to text. This is then analyzed....whether its key word searches or lengthy algorithms being used.

Now, this data is linked to the user...but them data is used anonymously... At first. As time and compliancy goes on, corps who buy this metadata want more and more specific info. Eventually, it can get quite intrusive....that's when you start getting calls for cruises and Victoria Secret catalogues in the mailbox.

Now...at this point its merely annoying. And can get some people pretty vocal. Many though just become meh.....apathetic.

The real fun happens when select circumstances and individuals get targeted. Hackers, private investigators, disgruntled or corrupt MS employees, NSA involvement, glitches that dump metadata to who knows where? Foreign governments like Estonia & China using kinect as a listen device..... Too far fetched? Tell that to users of Skype..... Which unsurprisingly is owned by MS.

Point is...MS has a track record of privacy concerns, and their are a myriad of circumstances where a enhanced kinect can be abused or corrupted.
dennett316  +   314d ago
It isn't really integral though, is it? It's every function in the UI can be performed by a joypad, voice recognition could easily be handled by a headset mic. It's camera function is great for Skype and......umm, that thing where it recognises you and signs you in automatically and adjusts your setting. That's a nifty feature...but worth all that extra cash?
Gaming wise, the thing is just abysmal for anything other than simple party games or dance titles....maybe a fitness game or two, though the same results could be had with an excercise DVD and a bit of common sense.
The real worth in Kinect is for Microsoft and their advertising partners, and the Nielsen box people will also get a kick out of the data that Kinect can provide if TV is watched through the Xbox. Their sample size for boxes is pretty small, a few million Kinect users providing data for them would be the largest sample they'd ever used. In short, Kinect has the potential to be a great little money spinner for Microsoft and their commercial partners. Gamers, well, they get a slightly easier way to sign in and some mediocre motion control in games. Not a great deal. I look forward to a Kinect free Xbox One console down the line...I won't buy one until then.
BobBelcher  +   314d ago
The console can play w/o it, but anyone who owns it will use it.
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