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Sony Slams Xbox one for Forced Camera - Originally Planned PS4 Forced Camera?

Sony’s PR message has been loud and clear. ‘Gamers should have a choice.’ This has been a phrase that has been tossed around from several different PS4 representatives.

But was the camera decision based truly around making sure that gamers had a choice? Or was it simply a decision made because of financial reasons?

Is it possible that Sony and Microsoft had exactly the same game plan? And has Sony REALLY abandoned that plan? Or have they just decided to drag it out?

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xHeavYx1469d ago

The "forced" PS eye wasn't going to affect the price

yarbie10001469d ago

IGN: "Sony nixed plans to include the camera add-on with every system and shave $100 off its originally planned price of $499."

Sony CEO Oct 8th: The decision to leave out the camera helped keep the PlayStation 4's price tag down. Efforts were made to include the camera, but pressure from above forbade Sony Computer Entertainment from making too much of a loss on the PlayStation 4 hardware.

Kayant1469d ago

"Sony's Masayasu Ito says US$399 was deemed "the magic price" for the PlayStation 4 – bringing it in US$200 cheaper than the PlayStation 3. Efforts were made to include the camera at the US$399 mark, but pressure from above forbade Sony Computer Entertainment from making too much of a loss on the PlayStation 4 hardware."

Nice that you missed this out.... Like heavy already said price wasn't changing from $399 camera was cut because it was going to be too much of a loss.

FamilyGuy1468d ago

PS4 was neeeeeever gonna be $499, no matter what.

I don't even get the point of this speculation, the price was decided to be $399 years ago, it was one of the first things decided before choosing the hardware that would go into the box, it was their goal. $499 is the same initial buy in price of the PS3, it wasn't gonna happen.

Eonjay1468d ago

Basically, Sony was always going for $399, but if they had included the camera. they would have lost money on top of the $60 they are losing on each console. So, they adopted the idea of choice. They would give you the choice to buy it separately. They could mitigate loses on every unit sold and they could make money on every camera sold. Its business.

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GraveLord1468d ago

Yeah, you're wrong. Sony have only OFFICIALLY stated that they planned to include the camera but keep it at $399. The higher-ups at Sony wanted to minimize losses so they said no.

Facts > Rumors

Outside_ofthe_Box1468d ago

lol So Sony didn't "force" the camera in order to not take a huge loss?

A lot of people looking hella foolish for swearing up and down that Sony didn't include it due to seeing XB1 price at E3.

I personally think Sony should have swallowed the loss and put the camera in on every system, but obviously this was the better decision for them as now they are making $60 on each camera sold instead of giving it away for free.

Sono4211468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

I think it's funny how all of these "negative" Sony/PS4 articles that have been coming out lately are flat out wrong/misinformed yet Xbox fanboys come to the scene to start talking like its fact.. like cmon.. I know your desperate for some negative PS4/Sony news after all of the negative Xbox One/Microsoft news.. but seriously...

Besides aren't these the same people who complain every time there are people pointing out the Xbox One's/Microsoft's flaws? talk about hypocrisy.

The fact that we have been hearing loads of negative news about the Xbox One/Microsoft yet nearly none for Sony/PS4 should say alot.. some are simply blinded by fanboyism to see this though.. sadly :/

Drekken1468d ago

Funny because the camera retails for 50-60 bucks. That line reaaally makes sense especially after hearing interviews where $399 was always the price point. That is the price the PS3 rocketed past the 360 in worldwide sales. Sony was never going to release a $499 console.

UltimateMaster1468d ago

If Sony would have bundled the camera with the system, it would be 450$.

P0werVR1468d ago

Instantaneous gratification is the worst gratification. So Sony, enjoy your quick fix while it lasts.

As Microsoft stated, there in it for the long haul. This launch will be much better than any launch in history, simply because of the gaming stamina starting out from the get. Look at next year's potential titles.

The only thing that will save Sony in the long haul is First party studios. They need to make the BEST first party games possible. But since Microsoft is investing more this next gen on First party...boy are we going to see some AMAZING GAMES on either console.

Big ups for gamers. Gaming is going to be sweet.

G20WLY1468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

Yes Yarbi, I read that from IGN too, via N4G. Just because they spin crap, doesn't mean you can recycle it for your own gain.

You sir, just proved that your rant is a duplication of a past article from IGN and so this should be removed. Well done lol *facepalm*

ShwankyShpanky1468d ago

"The only thing that will save Sony in the long haul..."

Ahahahaha... The PS4 won't be the brand that needs saving, bub.

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GribbleGrunger1469d ago (Edited 1469d ago )

Or to put it another way, it's great that a camera worth $100 is only costing us $60. It depends how you want to play the game videogamesandnews ... I find it rather telling that your estimated price puts it at the same price as the X1 and not $40 cheaper. Something doesn't add up here.

stuna11468d ago

Exactly Gribble, either way some try to put it, the PS4 on all accounts would have came in cheaper than it's competitor! Not only that it's still a better value with or without the camera with better tech.

miDnIghtEr20C_SfF1468d ago

I thought the same thing but with the X1! It's great a 200 dollar camera is only costing us 100!

osprey191468d ago

Well considering that if u bought the kinect 2.0 on its own it would cost well over £200 at minimum. So ur right something doesn't add up. 😖

rainslacker1468d ago

@midnight

That's fine. It's a great value if you actually want the camera. From what I can tell, many people don't. If many people did, then MS wouldn't have been inclined to remove the requirement to keep it connected.

Funnily enough, I probably would have wanted the Kinect. I still do actually. But not for the reasons MS is putting it in the box. I develop Kinect software on PC. The $499 w/ the camera would have been a good deal for me if a $399 version were available without, and a camera costing $150-200 separately.

MRMagoo1231468d ago

@midnight

Actually you are probably paying $200 for the camera because the xbone console itself if prob worth only $299.

nukeitall1468d ago

the hypocrisy and irony is just hilarious!

fangirls, remember these large companies don't love you, they love your money!

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HardcoreGamer1468d ago

this year, playstation had

God of war ascension,
Ni no Kuni,
Last of us,
Beyond 2 souls
Dragons crown,
Tales of Xillia

theres more but they are standard for different markets

Dust514
Puppeteer

coming up, gran turismo 6,

comon , man seriously, what did xbox have this whole year up to now?

Gears of war judgement
thats all i played on xbox, and dishonored.

BACK TO THE ARTICLE. WE ARE ONLY FORCING THINGS ON OUR SELVES, THIS TIME IM GOING PLAYSTATION ,

i feel nostalgic. ps2 memories

TechMech21468d ago

Xbox 360 launched a year earlier. Your argument is now invalid.

Blaze9291468d ago

Major Nelson pretty much explained why a Kinect is necessary with every Xbox One and I honestly think it will do more good in the long run than the backlash its receiving in the short jog.

http://youtu.be/O5WQ3MS9veM...

"One of the games is working on this concept when its darker, there may be more zombies on the screen. When you make noise, the zombies will come towards you. So you have to be quiet, in your own room. So if your little brother comes in and makes noise, zombies will come after you.

So theres experiences like that developers are working on that they have this full canvas to think of now that they know Kinect WILL be there."

Zombie Xbox One games, it's gotta be Dead Rising 3. And if a launch title is supporting this, then amazing. If not DR3, then new zombie game confirmed and from the sounds of it, will be amazing.

With that, that really sold me. I had NO idea that things like this were going on!

So i honestly think really, mandating kinect with every Xbox is better than having Kinect at all. Better to have full support than maybe support thinking MAYBE, this consumer owns a kinect. MAYBE this consumer owns a PS4 Camera. Maybe?

How much support do you all honestly think the PS4 Eye will get? How much support did the PS3 Eye get? The PS Motion controllers? The EyeToy? The Sixaxis? Oh, i thought as much.

$499.99 is hefty but seeing how the PS3 came out for $600 in '2006', it clearly - won't matter - in the LONG RUN.

If you want a Xbox One and for some reason, an extra $100 is preventing you from getting one - then you should probably reevaluate your financial situation. That or your interest in something you proooobably had no interest in to begin with. I really don't see what's wrong with forcing Kinect 2 with every Xbox One console.

AridSpider1468d ago

"One of the games is working on this concept when its darker, there may be more zombies on the screen. When you make noise, the zombies will come towards you. So you have to be quiet, in your own room. So if your little brother comes in and makes noise, zombies will come after you. "

whoa whoa whoa...why is no one talking about this!? That sounds AMAZING

SaffronCurse1468d ago

I don't want little Timmy coming in when I'm gaming and ruining my game experience because he decided to shout.

JasonXE1468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

@SaffronCurse then lock your door and shut up.

Anyway, thanks for that link Blaze. that is indeed new info right there - sounds like a feature I would've never even begun to think about for Kinect and hardcore games.

The fact that Kinect 2 can see your heart rate and pulse now too, they could beat Nintendo to the punch with that little Vitality Sensor..that they failed on.

rainslacker1468d ago

Interesting use of the tech. Question though. Why do you need a camera to achieve this? How come most of the features I hear people go on about can be achieved with a simple microphone? The Kinect doesn't make these things happen, the software does.

Don't get me wrong. I have heard of some interesting movement based features as well, but you don't need a rocket-science powered camera to achieve those things either.

GrandpaSnake1468d ago

o this sucks for me because i got two little ones running around in the living room, key word living room, were most xboxones will be.

AceBlazer131468d ago

can't you speed up robberies in gta by speaking into any old mic? don't see how kinect is practical yet since somebody already did it on current gen.

QuickdrawMcgraw1468d ago

Lack of support!LACK OF SUPPORT!!...Can't argue with you there Blaze.That's the reason I sold my 360 and will wait to buy a 1.I need to wait some years to see if MS will actually support it's console with more then words this gen.

BBBirdistheWord1467d ago (Edited 1467d ago )

@ Blaze

Thanks for bringing that up. That truly does sound like a good use for the Microphones in Kinect and the extra audio processors in the XBoxOne will certainly help achieve this.

It's funny that this has not been mentioned before because it sounds like an awesome use of the tech.

Truth be told, mandatory Kinect2 is a fabulous business decision, as developers are much more likely to include this tech in their creative process if it's included in every sku.

I have been gaming for about thirty years now and I am tired of the same old games with a few more pixels.
I am looking for new experiences and kinect2 seems much more promising to me than ps4 at this stage.
The sad fact is that not only is the PSeye inferior tech, but its optional inclusion implies it is not being taken seriously at all, by anyone.
And that sucks.

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Mystogan1468d ago

So Sony slams Microsoft for something they didn't have the balls to pull off.

Typical Sony. Letting Microsoft take the heat and then copying when they see the potential of Kinect 2 come to fruition.

prediction for E3 2015. Sony announces every PS4 SKU will come with PSeye.

Sono4211468d ago

ohhh mystogan... once again I caught you being ignorant.. but its okay your an xbox fanboy... it kinda comes with the territory ;)
so ill just help you out a lil bit.. Sony already stated that the original plans with the camera had the same price ($399) but decided not to because they didn't want to sell it at that much of a loss.

But hey don't give up buddy! keep trying youll get it right one of these days ;)

vigilante_man1468d ago

It is much better to think things through, refine your product, think it through again and then announce it.

The alternative is to rush your product because competitors are releasing theirs earlier than you expected, then announce your product and keep changing your mind in full public view. (i.e. 180s).

It makes one company seem super organised with defined plans and the other seem like its bungling around in the dark trying to play catch up.

Perception is 9/10ths of the law of advertising.

KrisButtar1468d ago

"So Sony slams Microsoft for something they didn't have the balls to pull off"

That statement would be soo true IF the XB! came out at $399

Volkama1468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

You could say Sony admit that it would be best to include the camera, but their higher ups are anti-gamer and refused.

You know, you could say that if you wanted to see how many disagrees a single comment could achieve :)

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PS4TheOne1468d ago

LOL delusional Xbots can't accept facts

BallsEye1468d ago

the pseye isn't worth a crap.
Kinect is not just a camera, it's a type of controller and that's how system works. Stop complaining, it's actually amazing piece of hardware, something that first kinect should be+ more.
If you complain about kinect being in the box, you can as well complain there are controllers in the box, they're forced on you!

xHeavYx1468d ago

whatever helps you sleep at night

Freedomland1468d ago

@BallsEye

Yeah, Kinect is a controller but with the mind of it's own and never listens, stubborn as its masters.

Stuart811468d ago

True however its removal hasnt changed it either

UnHoly_One1468d ago

LMFAO

Yes, Heavy, in your little magical fairyland where Sony is perfect and MS is the devil, it wouldn't have affected the price at all.

Sony, after all, is not a huge gigantic corporation that wants to make money, they LOVE to just give things away for free.

Especially since they have such a good financial track record.

It's hilarious how much you guys have deluded yourselves.

ALLWRONG1468d ago

Sony forced Blu-ray and they're going talk crap? Hypocrisy: something Sony has in common with its fans.

corvusmd1468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

So then...despite you being wrong...what you are saying is that Sony was just cheap and wanted to make more profit, so they took the camera away, despite the fact that many of the "advances" of the controller are based on use of the camera....hmmm you're right, I see how they care about their gamers. Sony is as cold and heartless as ever, and across ALL their products, they are known for being over-priced for what you get...PS4 will be no different. Sure it has a powerful GPU, but that's ALL it has, and it will have to do all the work by itself. The network is a joke, and there is no reason to charge for it at all...that's why they are handing out "free" games like crazy.

This is what Sony has been doing this whole build up to next gen. They know that their fanbase is a bunch of uneducated kids, so they slam MS for things they intended to do as well, then 180'd, just like the DRM deal. If you notice, their PR approach is always childish trash talk with really no backing....cause that's what their fans do, it appeals to them. As time goes on, we will really all see that it was all false and hollow, just like the fan trash-talk.

http://www.tomshardware.com...

Gamer6661468d ago

So if the PS eye would not have affected price then why did they not include it?

The competitor has a camera/mic and have included it in their package... But, Sony would not include the same feature that they could supply for free?

WTF? Boy, Sony has the wool pulled over your eyes...

GTgamer1467d ago

If someone gave u 2 hundred would you spend it on next gen games or a Kinect2.0 that has no games that even utilizes its so called amazing feature's well i know a real gamers will always choose the games.

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black0o1469d ago

this is turning into a witch hunt

Godmars2901468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

What? For something to roast Sony's &*$$ over even though the PSeye3 never came off as being as intrusive and mandatory as Kinect 2.0?

@Kayant:
That's the same argument with Sixaxis, which was both balked at and dumped as soon as Sony resolved the lawsuit over rumble.

Kinect's issue is that it generally doesn't work, and yet is being shoehorned into the XB1. They might be able to find more than party games to work with it, but right now it more an unproven burden on the console as well as anyone who buys the XB1.

black0o1468d ago

the media is targeting Sony this days .. Foxconn does some wrong they include Sony and make it seem as it Sony's doing !! while ignoring apple MS ..etc
Sony forcing shops to buy the ps eye ..
..
.. and more

it's getting pathetic

harrisk9541468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

@black0o

I am a major sony fanboy and I get annoyed at anti-PS4/Sony articles, but seriously? The media has done nothing but praise Sony since the PS4 announcement. Apple got way more crap when their Foxconn scandal happened. MS (to me, deservedly so in most instances) has been getting bashed left and right and the gaming media is critical of them non-stop. This story is a non-story, but don't make it sound like this is like it was after the PS3 announcement when every article was anti-Sony.

Mystogan1468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

Kinect doesn't work? What do you mean it doesn't work? I have heard nothing but praise for Kinect 2.

Godmars2901468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

@Mystogan :
Kinect 1.0 failed to prove its viability. Was promoted and shown off years before it was actually released, given huge amounts of hype for its potential on the PC modding front, then didn't deliver. Became little more than voice remote with junkware for party and kid games.

All I've really seen of Kinect 2.0 is it's debug mode which sees in the dark while two titles originally meant to promote it on the 360 have dumped it. Its one launch title delayed with the real kicker being, with it being included with each XB1, it doesn't even have to work. MS has given themselves to prove that it does at their leisure.

MRMagoo1231468d ago

@mystogen

I guess you must have your fingers in your ears most of the time then because i havent seen anyone say it works well yet besides MS employees and ppl making a game for it, and even then when they demo the games they work like sh!t and the lag is as bad as the first kinect.

BallsEye1468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

Lies. All hands-on are praising kinect 2. I think you're mistaking it with kinect 1, it didn't work well.

Kinect 2 is amazing piece of hardware. You're delusional.

Checking your bubble count...oh yea, sony fanboy.

ShwankyShpanky1468d ago

"Kinect doesn't work? What do you mean it doesn't work? I have heard nothing but praise for Kinect 2."

"Kinect is like a zero-button mouse with a lot of latency on it." -John Carmack

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corvusmd1468d ago (Edited 1468d ago )

....says the PS fanboy

@black0o I know from the past that you are a whiny kid that spits out a lot of garbage with no facts to back it up....so when you do this time....don't expect me to read it. I've seen how delusional you are, and no longer respect your opinion. Save your breath.

Kayant1469d ago (Edited 1469d ago )

Giving everyone kinect is not going to magically make devs shoehorn features into their games if it doesn't belong there or add any benefits to their game. Like the touchpad if it makes sense in their game then it will be used by devs knowing that everyone will have a kinect doesn't mean they will suddenly start using it. The touchpad proves just that.

Things will only be used if they fit the vision for a game bundling a peripheral wouldn't change that. Anyways MS bundling kinect is less to do with gaming and more to do with their *natural* user interface experience they're going for with voice control & UI navigation. Things like things like snap & the inclusion of IR to control your media centre where made with kinect in mind.

DragonKnight1468d ago

How much do you want to bet that Microsoft will mandate that Kinect features, even basic ones like menu control or voice command, will be mandatory in order for games to appear on Xbox One?

It's coming, you heard it here first.

Kayant1468d ago

What would be the point in them doing that? That's the last thing kinect needs.... Simple stuff like that wouldn't help market kinect any better for gaming. Things like that is what is wrong with kinect - it needs something fresh & new which will most likely come from indies. It's a great peripheral for user interaction, gaming not so much atm. Me personally a motion camera will never replace my controller or be another way I play a game expect when with friends & family for party games & such.

DragonKnight1468d ago

Quite simple. It would act as a trojan horse for Microsoft's targeted ads program. They could easily make it so that games that have Kinect features will require Kinect to be on and connected to the Xbox One to fully function. Add to that a mandatory requirement for even minimal Kinect features to be present in all games, and you have the launching pad for targeted ads appearing on every Xbox One with the illusion that people have opted in when in reality they were forced to.

Kinect isn't simply a device for gaming and indeed MS' plans for it hardly involve actual gaming at all.

Given what MS have already tried, and that they are 100% committed to their original plans, I'd say the likelihood of this isn't small.

I mean, what was the point in making Achievements mandatory. It didn't make them money, it didn't sell games (despite what Achievement whores think, it didn't. The amount of people that actually care about achievements is outweighed by the amount that don't), yet that was made to be mandatory in all games.

n4rc1468d ago

Yeah.. Real simple.. Lol

Too bad they've already come out and said that isn't happening.. Repeatedly..

If you choose to think they are lying to you, thats your business..

DragonKnight1468d ago

"DRM can't be turned off"
"Kinect is mandatory for the function of the Xbox One."
"The Kinect will not collect your data"

"We are 100% committed to the original vision."

Yeah, what Microsoft says is set in stone and never changes. They'd never screw gamers over or have invasive unwanted programs and features that people hate. Never. Right?

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rainslacker1468d ago

Not having Kinect mandatory, and an optional peripheral that less than 1/4 of the user base had THIS gen made many devs shoe-horn in Kinect features that didn't belong there. Same with move too, but to a lesser extent since it was a separate controller. Some devs did better than others, but I've yet to hear of any real game-changing experiences from any implementation.

Godmars2901468d ago

If the loss is only $60 they're going to make it up with PS+.