"The Xbox Live rewards scheme is a poorly thought-out last minute attempt to try and justify the value of Xbox Live to gamers."
Gameondaily discusses why PlayStation Plus makes a mockery of the Xbox Live service
Duahh everyone knows this other than the obvious xbox fanboys.
Look how broken the responses get the further you go down the thread. It's getting salty in here and it's only going to get saltier. OT: Everybody knows this. Apart from chest beating and trolling people who already act like victims I don't see the point. Edit: I should say I don't see the point if you don't count sinking to new (are they new though?) lows for hits. Edit 2: miDnIghtEr20C_SfF You're about to disappear. You know why, I know why and above all site staff know why. It's "people" like you that bring it on yourselves and then play the victim that I can't understand. Do you know why you do it?
Nope. Live is much better when it comes to actually using it. psn+ offers more free stuff but the experience is sort of clunky with all the updates, waiting and then installing. Its much better than when it started though but its not smooth with things like matchmaking like Live.
You don't actually have it do you? The updates are automatic unless it's a day one patch it'll download whenever it's available (you don't even need to be there), the cloud storage is seamless and the speed is identical to XBL and steam every time I've used it. Apart from the install which occurs after download (steam does the same thing) and is OS based not PSN based. As for matchmaking, you do realize that the dev runs that under the current system for both consoles right?
without getting too deep into the totality of both services. i can say that i have been a gold member since its onset. I have seen it grow exponentially into the service it is now. Each revision has added value to the service i started out with. I am paying no more for it now than when i started. well maybe $10 more but still....MS didnt have to make the additions they did to the paid side but if anything all of those additions are just more incentives to keep you a member. It started off as a pay to play online service but has grown into something more and those who are veterans of it know what i am talking about. it was only this past February that i signed up for PS+. Now that was due in part to having just picked up a Vita after the recent announcement of the PS4. Prior to being a + member, I always saw it as more of a discount service because...lets face it, you initially got discounts on the content. It wasnt until they started adding in full games to the mix that its real potential started to take off. What many generally gloss over is the fact that the + membership is a glorified rental service. Now that is NOT a bad thing (even though I will get disagrees for stating that). I mean the games you get (and you do get ALLOT) are ones that you can play, beat and get rid of at your leisure. If you want to "own" them then go buy retail (or 2nd hand). It has really paid off for me because of having the Vita i am able to play games like uncharted, Gravity Rush, etc without having to buy them (which i will likely do anyway as I love having physical copies) and having the PS3 for games like Darksiders (really fun) and the recent HD remakes of Ico (never played before) and Shadow of Collossus (own the PS2 orig). I can say that being a member of both services has its pros and cons. Once you are hooked, it makes it hard to just walk away so when my renewal comes up for gold in november...yup, Im renewing. when my renewal comes up for + in May...yup, Im renewing. I like and use both services. I wont say one is better than the other but i will say that what each one does right, it does so for the respected platform. That should be enough to satisfy the concerns of those who are on the fence. thank you for your time.
http://www.destructoid.com/... Only sony fanboys think PSN is better than Live. The UI for PSN is complete garbage compared to Live. Messaging is a pain in the balls on PSN, Live its easy. No party chat for PSN, Live has this covered. Free Games with Gold on Live, Live gets to keep their games. PSN+ is just a rental for games. Let me guess"bu..but we get all those features with the ps4." Yeah and you will pay for them now, and you still wont have dedicated servers for all your online MP games. But guess what? Live users will have all those features plus dedicated servers for their online MP, so Live is still the best online service for 3 gens in a row. @Ashlen Do you realize how stupid and biased your comment is? No, They are both not services. One is a blessing from God, the other is damnation to hell. You don't deserve your bubbles.
PS+ is a service XBL is a paywall
LOL Check out Gozers link from 2009. Been waitin' awhile to use that one huh? I guess what your saying is you're stuck last decade. Is that where your view of XBL comes from? Well thanks for providing reference. Edit: Oh you mean the cloud? Well that is where the magic comes from apparently. LOL
LostDjinn I do have both do you want pics or something. You know very well there are more updates for psn which btw I dont usually notice any difference most of the time and downloads for games or anything to do with psn are much much slower than xbl no matter what speed you have. Its not even comparable. Xbl also handles matchmaking differently than psn, devs do it all for themselves on psn. I didnt even mention cross game chat which ps3 never got, only now coming to ps4. Here this is from IGN as of March 26, 2013 it covers everything I said above: "Xbox Live has a much more robust system, adding friends, parties and chatting is all much more seem-less and seems to be built better into the Operating System and network. Playstation has long suffered catching up to the level of social interactivity that Xbox has had which could be a major reason for the share button in their new console." "It’s true that the PlayStation Network is free and that you’ll need to pay to access online features with Xbox Live. But the old adage remains true: you pay for what you get. Xbox Live remains a more secure platform than the PSN, subject to far fewer hacks and other problems. And while the paid PlayStation Plus service is certainly a great value, the fact remains that if you have security concerns the Xbox 360 is the better of the two." "On the plus side, it means Microsoft get the lion’s share of online-enabled games, with even the most low-rent of independent developers able to support online matchmaking in their games. Meaning, overall, it makes online play in multi-format titles far more likely on the 360." http://www.ign.com/blogs/re...
I love having PS+, it's been great for me. I can't really compare it to live because I haven't used live a lot, just at my friends house. But I wont be giving up + any time soon... And with Sony ramping up their online service for next gen all the features will improve dramatically (servers and otherwise) with Openstack/gaikai. Also with the free games I get monthly it covers the cost easily.
@Lostdjinn Yeah, and the sony fanboys haven't changed a bit since 2009. http://n4g.com/news/1371389... http://n4g.com/news/1371027... Live is still the best online gaming service around. No tantrum throwing from your camp is going to change that.
@ 4Sh0w: Hahaha. You link to the personal blog of some random guy that doesn't even own as PS product? Well I don't know about you but I'm sold. That right there is what you'd call "cold hard fact". OMG seriously? It's like you took all that time to line yourself up and then kicked yourself in the face. You've just shown how desperate you are by not providing facts. Anything will do regardless of how flawed. I mean you understand don't you? Being desperate doesn't make you right and what you've written couldn't be further from the truth. @Gozer: Really? The same story from two sources? Well aren't you the clever one. Tell you what. Go to any youtube video about anything to do with anything playstation. Try any PS4 video. Look at all the hate. Why don't Sony disable comments, or remove them so people can't see the comments? Some of that stuff's homophobic, racist and abusive. Strange that people aren't making a big deal out of that isn't it? Anyway, back to your tantrum... Edit: Had to change an "R" to a "T". Also had to point out that yes 4sh0w, the PS3 doesn't have cross-game chat or party chat. If you want those features on PSN you'd have to go all the way to the Vita. Guess what? They're free there too. ;)
@ darthv72 "I am paying no more for it now than when i started. well maybe $10 more but still....MS didn't have to make the additions they did to the paid side but if anything all of those additions are just more incentives to keep you a member. It started off as a pay to play online service but has grown into something more and those who are veterans of it know what i am talking about." You're basically just saying that the service was enhanced over time and it's a big part of your appreciation but in contrast PSN evolved over time too, and the difference was even bigger considering PSNs meager beginnings. All while staying free while MS eventually decided to raise the price of Gold by $10 without really giving a good reason. PS+ being outside of the PSN (in-general) topic. Gold places a paid-blockade in front of many of its services that are free everywhere else. What is it that you're actually seeing value in? Their service has some extra sports affiliations and I guess the way it does matchmaking for setting up games but other than that what is it they do that's worth paying for? So far all I can see is the illusion of "value", if we were talking about the X1 it would be a different story. There's 300,000 servers, matching making by level, the system of weeding out annoying players and more. That's the X1 though, for 360 I'm just not seeing what makes it worth the cost. @ All others Please notice that we're talking about the differences in SERVICES, not the differences in hardware, user interface or any other thing that works when you aren't even signed in. If you don't need to pay for XBLG or PS+ to access it, it doesn't count. Please understand this because a lot of you are comparing things that aren't part of the topic. I reiterate: THIS IS A TOPIC ABOUT PS+ VS XBLG! It is NOT a topic about PSN vs XBLG It is NOT a topic about PS3/PS4 vs 360/X1 It's paid service vs paid service.
Majority of these people can't even differentiate xblive from the xbox operating system or psn from the playstation OS. Quite sad. This is how you become dumber from to eh internet. Lol.
@Gozer you should not be able to comment on any article ppl like you is why a lot of websites are thinking about taking the comment section away what is wrong with you of course Sony fanboys going to like PS+ just like MS fanboys like live I try to keep from calling names over someone’s opinions cause you have the right to think what you want but you make it hard lol.
I think 4Sh0w put it best. Xbox Live is much better in use than PSN, but PS+ offers better value. So take your pick. Premium service or value service? That said, I think PS+ is slowly ruining the industry by devaluing games. I might have bought more games if they weren't free, but now I would just wait to get many of them free. Those free games will again occupy my time, lowering my interest in buying games. This is similar to how Netflix is eating into blu-ray and dvd sales. The difference, new movies comes out much slower than the games on PS+.
@ Xbox fanboys Your vague knowledge of PSN is mostly based on the PS3 itself and its interface. This is topic is about paid services, PS Plus vs Gold. Not PSN vs XBL.
Well I don't know about putting them to shame but PSN offers more. I mean PSN+ members do get loads of perks like some awesome free games and the membership works for PS4, PS3, and Vita. Not to mention that it's 10.00 less than live. Even if you don't take the PSN+ you can still access many of the online features of the consoles with the free account. With micro$oft everything is behind the pay wall.
@Gozer Isn't this article talking about PSN+ vs XBL? Or about how both OS run for each system? Because if you're saying that XBL is better than PSN because you can send messages faster then you don't know what the difference between a serivce and hardaware/software is. Can you say XBL is better than PSN because -You can send messages faster -Cross game chat etc etc? Answer is NO Those are hardware/software base features which SHOULD be FREE. The reason why most why most XBL members would argue this is because it is forced on you guys and because it is not free, and because Playstation can't do it at this time because of its memroy... but wait until the ps4 comes out and lets see. Yes I agree XBL is good... but for what you pay, it is just a shame. Not because I don't have the money, but because it is not worth it when PSN offers a lot more. Again, the features that you guys mention why XBL they are not in the ps3 because of hardware issues.
@nukeitall "That said, I think PS+ is slowly ruining the industry by devaluing games. I might have bought more games if they weren't free, but now I would just wait to get many of them free. Those free games will again occupy my time, lowering my interest in buying games." And you think sony just get these games for free.... If you're really interested in a game not available on PS+ then you will still get it. It's not like you will always be interested in the IGC line-up compared to a game you really want to play.
PlayStation Plus puts Xbox Live to shame This has been a well known fact for a while now.
The value in Playstation plus is undeniable I can't keep up with the excellent games available and have I have no problem at all paying into it. The same is not true of xbl cross game chat and access to stuff like Netflix which is free everywhere else and should not be behind a paywall anyway is hardly value and it is difficult to justify it's cost,
@Gozer Do me a favour and scroll all the way to the bottom of the article you posted, to the first comment post. You will see that the actual author of the piece meant it as satire. "You guys do realize I was being satirical right? My favorite system is the PS3!" Enough said..............
@nuketail "That said, I think PS+ is slowly ruining the industry by devaluing games. I might have bought more games if they weren't free, but now I would just wait to get many of them free. Those free games will again occupy my time, lowering my interest in buying games." only PS+, ha? PS+ is a rental service for you haters, right? so, you're saying that Gamefly, Blockbuster etc. were all ruining the industry too? and they started way back. how about those game stores putting games in the bargain bins? oh...how about Steam? those several old month games for dirt cheap during sales, sure are ruining the industry too, right? not to forget games for Gold started recently. MAN...MS is such a JERK, right? giving games for free like that! /s put down the tinfoil hat for once and start talking like a gamer! we already know devs and publishers get their money off those free PS+ games. as a gamer, shouldn't we just be happy Sony provide a service like PS+ and make more highly rated games reaching to more people? but NO! SONY IS RUINING THE INDUSTRY! pfft...the blindness of some people!
@4Sh0w You do know that the online service you are using makes no difference with in-game match making right? And yes, PSN and PS+ have a lot of annoying updates, but that doesn't mean Xbox has none at all! And with PS4 (and maybe Xbox One) The updates will be automatic while you are away, therefore taking out the only negative to PS+... @Gozer I hate it when people say PS+ is a rental service. The only way you lose the games you have is if you don't pay. I can say XBL is a rental service, because 90% of the things you get on it are blocked out if you don't pay... The only things on PS+ that gets revoked if you don't pay are the games PS+ GAVE YOU FOR FREE! Or the online service, which happens on both, other than that you can still use everything PSN has to offer, unlike Xbox, when you don't pay you lose almost everything, except the ability to play single player games...
One service was hacked and shut down bringing Sony and gamer to their knees crying. One service has not been hacked, crippled and destroyed for weeks. People that bring up PSN needing to be better than Live this far into it are the one's still in denial. Everyone knows Live is better overall. PSN is much better than it was at the start, but it's not Live yet. Maybe on the PS4 things will change. Also, one has party chat. One does not. The choice is easy if you're a MP gamer.
allow me to correct YOU Mr xbox live was hacked as well but MS didnt reported nor acknowledge publicly, MS only cares about their image and some BS PR PROOF: http://www.joystiq.com/2012... another case http://www.engadget.com/201... Edit: quick edit u did there nice ;) ''one has party chat. One does not'' 1st it's a hardware limitations has nothing 2do with the PSN Just 2nd the Vita has a cross chat and no one is making a big deal about it :P
No service is perfect, though don't pretend yours is. They've all had their fair share of problems in the past. Let's just hope things go smoothly with the transition to next-gen. http://www.joystiq.com/2007... http://www.theverge.com/201... http://www.engadget.com/200...
What a excellent troll, you do your nick a great service. T's a pity and shame really that some humans had to be last in the queue when common sense were dished out while the stocks ran very low!
Yep and one service (your preferred service) tried to force DRM. I honestly see it coming back in some form or another. Now thats scary shit!
LOL obvious Xboner :D
@blackoo... but to have multiplayer at least 2 people need to buy a vita!! lol
@black0o you need to learn the difference between a service being hacked and someone being phished. Xbox Live has not been hacked. I knew you were going to try to bring a link of people being phished on FIFA. HUGE difference than having your whole network brought down it's knees and crippled. What's next? You going to bring out the link of back in the day when live went out for SOME people because they were idiots and not prepared for Christmas when everyone wanted a 360. Ha ha... learn the difference between being hacked and phished. It's huge. Not surprised you got so many agrees from being wrong.
This is topic is about paid services, PS Plus vs Gold. Not PSN vs XBL. Besides, Sony has already rebuilt their security. Why do you think Sony themselves shut down PSN? It's better than before. And it will be even better on PS4.
That's because PSN was specifically targeted by a hacker group. This has nothing to do with the experience of the quality of the service. Live could just as well have gone down if the group chose to do so. I've never paid to play online on my PS3 and i've never had any multi-player issues that weren't technical issues with the games themselves. So clearly there's no sensible reason to pay for the multi-player unless you get something far better than the same experience as you would from the free service. OT: PS Plus has always put XBL to shame. How is this news?
hey guess what? when PSN was hacked we could still watch netflix. the only gamers it hurt were the ones who cod, witch apparently is every xbox gamer. if you think that cross game chat is better than free games your either stupid naive. and yes they are free for as long as your a ps+ member. it's hard to care about little things like chatting when i'm playing kingdoms of amalur.
@miDnIghtEr20C_SfF One service was hacked by the most skilled hackers in the world. They even got into the CIA, if they WANTED to go after MS, they could, in a heartbeat. Then Sony gave out free games after it all blew over, what did MS do when they were reportedly hacked, they denied it and forgot... I ask you, what is really "better" about Live? Party Chat? Fixed on Vita and PS4, hardware limitations by the PS3, not PSN. Updates? Automatic on PS4. What else, oh yeah! Nothing... One is not "faster" than the other as many ignorant fanboys think, the UI is not PSN, it is PS3. PS+ Gives you TONS of free games, and yes, if you are an idiot and you don't pay, then you lose them, but if you don't pay for Live then you lose access to 90% of the systems features... PS+ Is neck and neck with Live right now, but the obvious winner of next gen in PS+...
I love all the fools that think they're getting free games. Uhmmm.. you're paying a monthly service to RENT games. YOU DO NOT OWN THESE GAMES. You are PAYING sony to RENT games. You are not paying something for FREE. Do you guys know that? How does something you pay for mean it's free? How does that make sense? Guess what? I pay for cable internet and get to go online for free! Ya.. doesn't make sense. Either does saying you pay for a service to get free games. BECAUSE YOU ARE PAYING MONEY! These games aren't free. They are a monthly paid service. You don't pay PSN+ to get free games. You pay for PSN+ to RENT GAMES. I pay Xbox Live Gold to play games online against people and my friends. All the other extra stuff that comes with Live is FREE EXTRAS for me. I pay online to play games. SO everything that is on Gold Live is EXTRA. You don't pay for something monthly and say you get games for free. You are renting games. Sony has fooled you kids so bad into thinking you are getting free games. YOU ARE RENTING GAMES! Just like my buddy does with GameFly. He pays a monthly fee and can keep the game as long as he wants. When he is done paying, he has to give the game back. When you stop paying for PSN+ you lose your rented game. YOU DO NOT KEEP IT. YOu are not getting free games. It's really simple to understand. PSN+ is Gamefly. You are renting games. Not getting free games.
Just imagine if the price you paid for xbox live also got you multiple free games. Now imagine that but $10 less a year. I think playstation has been pushing this more for less thing and some people are too blind to even see it. "YOU DO NOT OWN THESE GAMES." Everyone knows this, genius. "Guess what? I pay for cable internet and get to go online for free! Ya.. doesn't make sense." "I pay Xbox Live Gold to play games online against people and my friends. All the other extra stuff that comes with Live is FREE EXTRAS for me." facepalm.jpg "When you stop paying for PSN+ you lose your rented game." No, you lose access to the collection of games LIKE NETFLIX. It's not like you have to 'rent every title individually. And if I grabbed a game when it was free, and lost my membership the next day, I can still go back and download if I renew. Idiot.
How many times does this article have to come up? I'd say PSN+ is better seeing how they release more up to date titles. But then again MS gives out older games you get to keep for good. We still don't know if MS will continue this on X1 or not but they need to stay competitive with Sony and give great value like Sony has been doing.
The whole "free games" is only until December. And on my 76 people friend list, not one is playing those old games. I can say that downloading stuff is nice and fast though.
My brother can't download the free game for some reason. It's just not showing up on his.
Funny how the article didn't mention the #1 most important factor for an online gaming service.....the actual online gaming. COD and BF are some of most popular online games, and I believe they sell best on Xbox because of the excellent online service. Sorry but I don't care about getting free crappy Indie games. I don't watch Netflix because the instant movies are generally old or just bad. Plus I got a Smart TV for that anyway if I wanted. I use my Live for online gaming, not apps and the internet, thats why I have a tv, tablet, computer, or cell phone. Glad it only took Sony 10+ years to catch up.
Lol are you serious??BF sells better on PS fact. Just look at how many current players are online. And everytime i check the online people PS3 is always on top. http://bf3stats.com/ Sorry but I don't care about getting free crappy Indie games. Lol i'm sorry what??So you call these all indie games? http://cdn2-www.playstation... This is just for the 1st year.
@Veno How misinformed can you be. Holy f@#k man!
First, the online services are the same, they are the same speed, everything. People who think it is faster, or smoother, or better on XBL are just ignorant. Second, PS+ doesn't give out "free crappy Indie games." Kingdoms of Amular, Shadow of the Colossus, Dead Nation, Tomb Raider Underworld, Castle Crashers, Far Cry 2, Sly Cooper, Little Big Planet 2, Just Cause 2, inFamous 2, Saints Row 2, The Walking Dead, Gotham City Imposters, Borderlands, PAYDAY: The Heist, Resident Evil 5, Bioshock 2, Darksiders, Sleeping Dogs, Saints Row The Third, Uncharted 3, Battlefield 3, Hitman Absolution, And Much Much More, You saying they only give out crappy indie games is just ignorant and immature fanboyism at it's best... Glad it only took Microsoft 10 years to even BEGIN offering free games, and the first 2 they gave out are 4-7 years old. Go troll somewhere else...
Man, you kids must have a PS move shoved so far up your ass. Fanboy much? Lol get a life. Wetting your pants over something so minor.
free stuff doesn't mean better service. You obviously never used both for a longer period of time. XBL for XO looks very promising with all the new stuff and the cloud.
lol... The cloud. I can see it now, day one on the Xbox One, everyone is playing games then BAM! Cloud servers are down, please reconnect and try again later. Every online only game has been almost broken. Sim City, GTA Online, Hell, even Halo 3. So do you really think an entire CONSOLE based on online gaming is going to work day one. Have fun waiting for the cloud servers to respond while I play games...
Halo 3 was broken? Care to explain how exactly? So far it's been PSN having down times every now and then. For as long as I'm on live the only downtime I experienced was a switch from old dashboard to completely new one, and it was pretty short.
lol but it don't help the person that submitted the article into this wasteland has the name of septic
Xbox Live multiplayer is better. That's all I need to buy an Xbox one.
Typical baseless response that Live is better with no reason why just that its better....
@hobohunterz I don't need to justify my choice to you. Xbox live has been faster and more reliable network bang than ps network. I don't care what you think about my opinion.
Give all the games you want still piss on PSN! The service sucks they have to give games for free to make up for the shit the games are, and actually they are not free cause you are paying $50 a year for the same you get for free just a few games for free for crap service no thanks! PS can die! Viva el XBOX!
All those who argue Live is better for its xgame chat, I have something to beat it - Cell Phone with unlimited talk time and text. :D No console required. OT Some of the die hards on here make me ashamed to be a gamer sometimes. It's + and Live for features and value, not PSN vs Live; and for those who argue yes it is, go reread the article.
Not trying to start anything but how can you talk to your entire team with a cell phone?
I have party chat, and the people I play with we know each other in real life, so it makes it easier to communicate. The few I met just online we use Skype or Team Speak.
indeed we all know that and i have both psn and xboxlive. psn justify my 50 bucks live, not so much
XboxOne is shit..
In terms of free offerings yes it does, But I must say that I'm quite envious of what EU store gets over any one else on PS Plus. MG Rising next month?? Come on that's just not fair!
Why not just make an EU account? it's easy enough. I have both an American account and a Japanese on mine [email protected] I'm saying I live in Europe and have a European account, an American account and a Japanese account. I only have Playstation plus on my European account, but getting American PS+ is as simple as buying a PSN voucher off of eBay
Are you saying that you're paying for a US and EU PS+ each, or that you've figured out how to abuse the service and double dip from each region?
we get mgs rising?? hell yeah i was about to buy that lol
Sadly yes I hate you guys :( (not literally). http://n4g.com/news/1371827...
Nah I prefer xbl because its much faster for downloads, its more streamlined/easier to use, there are more gamers always online which makes the community more active=engaging, microsoft makes really cool improvements to the dash at least twice a year, xbl is more stable even without the frequent long firmware updates like psn, both offer free games that I either are old, already played or dont care for really but most of all xbl is hands down the best for ME because thats where ALL my friends and family connect for online gaming.
"there are more gamers always online which makes the community more active" how far up your ass did you have to dig to pull that one out? wow I've honestly seen it all. if anything there are more people on PSN as Sony has sold more consoles worldwide, every PS3 ever sold was sold with built in wi-fi, and PSN on PS3 has always been free. but I'm probably wrong as, like you I have absolutely nothing to back up my claims but at least I'm not trying to pass baseless gibberish as fact.
Are your bubbles reducing by any chance? I wonder why! Maybe stop shilling and trolling on the PS3/PS4 articles and selling some false hope and honey on the eXBox3660/eXB0Ne articles may help considerably!