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Sony distances itself from PS4 assembly worker exploitation claims

Sony said in a statement issued to CVG: "The Sony Group established the Sony Supplier Code of Conduct in June 2005 with the expectation of every supplier agreeing and adhering to the policies of the Sony Group in complying with all applicable laws, work ethics, labour conditions, and respect for human rights, environmental conservation and health & safety. We understand Foxconn fully comprehend and comply with this Sony Supplier Code of Conduct."

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Ezz2013989d ago (Edited 989d ago )

first there was the un-offical bundles with higher price that "gaming media" tried to link it to sony and act like sony is the one forcing it when sony have nothing to do with it
and now this which also sony have nothing to do with it
what's next ?!
sony force 5 years old kids to work on ps4 and then kill them and drink their blood?!

malokevi989d ago

Yes, until a bunch of kids get crushed to death in a building collapse.

How about we take this for what it is... and issue. Not some divisive BS. Not something that has anything to do with gaming. CORPORATE SHENANIGANS!

Nobody is out to get you. Just the lamestream media looking for something to yack about.

GmIsOnPt360989d ago

Yeah basically if this was MS hold your horses the droves of folks would be rioting for EVIL EVIL MS but its Sony so nothing to see here mentality LOL.Just look at all the racist and hateful nonsense on toys r us page that forced them to take down their page with xbox one as top 15 products for this xmas. So many sony bots went on there and spammed with hate and racism they had to shut the page down...its pretty sad really

DragonKnight988d ago

@GmIsOnPt360: No one is brining up, or brought up, MS but you. Why are you trying to start something?

monkeyDzoro988d ago (Edited 988d ago )

Article:"Foxconn using forced stdent labor to build Sony's PS4"
The article is pointing Foxconn, autonomous manufacturing company that has nothing to do with Sony. Now Sony is responsible for Foxconn smudges ?
Sony asked for PS4s to be made. They didnt asked them to FORCE students to make them.
LoL. This is crazy.

So now, if I go to meet a fashion designer, ask him to make 100 shirts for me. To meet the demand and deadlines, that idiot forces some students to make them... I will be the one to blame ???

Bathyj988d ago

No what's sad is how often the "if this was Microsoft" card gets played around here.

There's a reason people give Sony the benefit of the doubt and always believe the worse about Microsoft. Past experience.

I never thought I'd use this but remember this day as its a first.

#dealwithit.

And don't worry,Sony will get their fair share of flack too. If a delivery truck full of ps4s runs over a puppy you can be sure the whole internet will hear about it.

malokevi988d ago (Edited 988d ago )

@Monkey

uhhhhh........

I literally said nothing about Sony's liability. Wow. Sensitive much?

"Corporate shenanigans" as in... this happens every day, and every major corporation hold some responsibility.

Is Sony bereft of all responsibility? No! Why should they be? It's their product being produced in factories that are well known to exploit child labor.

""Foxconn using forced stdent labor to build Sony's PS4"

The article is pointing Foxconn, autonomous manufacturing company that has nothing to do with Sony."

You can quote that, and then go on to tell me that Sony has absolutely nothing to do with it? How self-deluded do you have to be? Why do you go on defending Sony like they are your lord and savior? Give it a rest... nobody is out to get you. I repeat. NOBODY IS OUT TO GET YOU!

The real question here is: Should we be surprised? NO should we care? I sure don't. Does this have anything to do with gaming.... NO! Whether the PS4 is being manufactured by child laborers or Christmas elves, at the end of the day, what's it to you?

Man, you took that so personally. SDF ASSEMBLE! lol. Take a pill. Life isn't so bad.

Pogmathoin988d ago

Because Dragonknight, it is true. If it said MS instead of Sony, it would be celebration time.

Regardless, I do not see this as an Sony issue, because Foxconn pull this all the time, get caught, play good for a while, then revert to old habits. Its up to all the corporations that use them, and there is a lot of companies using them to end this by finding another means to produce, or stipulate basic human rights as condition of contract... But, money talks, and you know where regular folk count when it comes to money.... expendable! A sad reality..

tiffac008988d ago

Well I guess we should also prepare for the haters to descend with their own spin on this.

But seriously, Foxconn should really just go to hell. Any global company should move the majority of their production away from Foxconn, if not all of them.

Sometimes its just not worth it.

Xsilver988d ago (Edited 988d ago )

@PS4beaver MS don't have to say it http://venturebeat.com/2012... http://www.geek.com/games/f... eveyone knows foxconn does this but you xbox fans sounding redundant with your oh if this was MS crap its stupid at this point.

Pogmathoin988d ago

Xsilver, be a man... you know on this site, just saying MS guarantees you a tonne of disgrees. If you deny that you are full of crap. If you cannot be honest about that you are nothing. I am not putting down Sony over this, they do not want this happening, I know that, but with the rampant fanboyism here, you guys are just proving to be very good at being two faced....

Joe913988d ago

@ malokevi Sony don't have nothing to do with it just like Apple do not have anything to do with problems that happen at the foxconn it looks like foxconn only try to do this when there is a high demand for something if you are going to point the finger at Sony for using foxconn then point the finger at all these companies too cause they too use foxconn Acer Inc. (Taiwan)
Amazon.com (United States)
Apple Inc. (United States)
ASRock (Taiwan)
Asus (Taiwan)
Barnes & Noble (United States)
Cisco (United States)
Dell (United States)
EVGA Corporation (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)
Intel (United States)
IBM (United States)
Lenovo (China)
Logitech (Switzerland)
Microsoft (United States)
MSI (Taiwan)
Motorola (United States)
Netgear (United States)
Nintendo (Japan)
Nokia (Finland)
Panasonic (Japan)
Philips (Netherlands)
Samsung (South Korea)
Sharp (Japan)
Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)
Toshiba (Japan)
Vizio (United States)
did you notice MS is on that list too so if they are using children on PS4 they prob doing the same with the xbone

AngelicIceDiamond988d ago

Does this news suck? Sure. Does it impact anybodies purchase and will it affect your gaming? No.

nightfallfilms988d ago

@Ezz2013 Sony has nothing to do with who makes their PS4? That makes a lot of since. I guess random suppliers just pop up and start making them without Sony's knowledge. Sony has a choice in this, end of story. Only a blind fan boy would see it otherwise.

SilentNegotiator988d ago

All of the big companies that use Foxconn and the like *SHOULD* be held partially responsible for work conditions in China. Foxconn and other Chinese factories need a LOT of work towards improving conditions.

That said, this was by far one of the lamer controversies surrounding Foxconn. If you work in IT engineering, understanding how parts are assembled could be important. Not for everyone, but then a lot of degrees require work that might not help you specifically in the long run.

"Yes, until a bunch of kids get crushed to death in a building collapse"

That was a Bangladesh building (which was used for factory work, despite explicit warnings against using it for such activity, and had parts built on to it without permits, AAAAAAAAAAND inspectors told them to close down the building but were ignored).

DragonKnight988d ago

You see there it is. In a Sony related thread, the very first people to bring up MS weren't the "Sony fanboys" that "pollute" this site. This had nothing to do with MS at all and yet some people are so butt hurt about negative MS press that they have to invent more in order to say "see, Sony fanboys can't lay off MS."

MS has nothing to do with this article. It's off topic to bring them up so what the hell is the actual point unless you're trying to stir the sh*t?

ShinMaster988d ago

""if this was Microsoft... ""

But Foxconn DOES makes parts for Xbox, as well as PCs and other electronics.

It's just the media singling out the PS4 again and Xbox fans playing victims.

AndrewLB988d ago

If Sony gives Foxconn a deadline they must meet as part of the contractual agreement, where Sony has representatives overseeing the production line, how would they not be at least partially to blame for this?
We'll see how many Foxconn workers throw themselves off the rooftops like they did during iPhone 5 production. lol.

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LostDjinn989d ago

LOL at the headline.

Here's the quote from Foxconn contained within:

"In a statement issued to Quartz, the Chinese manufacturer acknowledged that engineering students from Xi'an Institute of Technology were assigned to night shifts and overtime in violation of the company's policies.

"Immediate actions have been taken to bring that campus into full compliance with our code and policies," it said, including "reinforcing the policies of no overtime and no night shifts for student interns, even though such work is voluntary, and reminding all interns of their rights to terminate their participation in the program at any time.""

Turns out Sony didn't know anything about it (as made evident in this quote).

Still, it's not good enough. Sony needs to come down hard on this. Workers (indeed everyone) have rights that need to be respected. It's no good having a code of ethics if you don't enforce it.

Maybe they should introduce a clause that imposes a monetary cost on Foxconn (and others) if they're found in breach of their contract.

pyramidshead989d ago

This should be top post pretty much lol.

extermin8or989d ago

Rock and a hard place though-they come down on Foxconn they could end up with less stock than they need for launch and then angry consumers will complain and hate on them about that. Do nothing and people will say they are condoning it by inaction... :/ Ideally manufacturers would stop using foxconn but they wont due to the cost.... I mean most tech companies use them for some sort of manufacturing-Apple etc also still use them I believe.

PsylentKiller988d ago

Can't find the link but I'm pretty sure I've heard this before. Maybe it was Sony or another company in China but either way it made headlines and Sony should be aware of what is going on in their manufacturing plants. I remember Kathy Lee Gifford got into a lot of trouble because her clothing line was being manufactured by children. Why should big corporations be exempt from this? Like I said, I don't know if Sony knew or not, but this is a serious issue that has needs to be dealt with regardless of which company it is.

IcicleTrepan988d ago

You're probably thinking of Apple.

AceofStaves988d ago

Apple has been linked to Foxconn in the past, so maybe that's the company you're thinking of.

black0o988d ago

since the media cant find anything on sony's PR teams this is the only way to get hits i guess

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MCTJim989d ago

Well this doesn’t surprise me at all. Though I don’t condone this, How many products are made like this we will never know. In a sense, the only reason why this is news is because they got busted..and like all companies that get busted doing this, they will address it..remember those whole Ted Turner Jane Fonda fiasco with their products? Remember Nike..Reebok? and as soon as the media isn’t looking, it will be business as usual..which is sad.

cunnilumpkin989d ago (Edited 989d ago )

how about this?

if you want to sell your product in a given country, 75% of the production of that product must take place in the country you want to sell it in for the given amount of units you will sell in that country per year

this means, if you want to have 10 million ps4s sitting on shelves in America

you better build 7.5 million of them in America or get the [email protected] out of our country with your slave labor made trash

this goes for cars, xbox1's, ps4's, iphones etc....

and b4 everyone cries "then everything will get too expensive"

no, wrong!
the market will only bear, what it can, meaning, if they try to sell x-widget at too high of a price, no one will buy it

jackanderson1985989d ago

and how many business would then suffer huge losses due to the minimum wage rates in those countries not to mention the costs of changing production area, ground rental fees.... sony and microsoft are both selling the console at a loss if the rumors can be believed (i've heard anywhere between 20 and 60 loss per console) and that's using the cheap labour... now factor in more than 8 times the wage cost if you move from Asia to the US... so yes everything would get very expensive

ChrisW989d ago (Edited 988d ago )

Unbeknownst to many, the loss is not solely on the physical manufacturing side for consoles. A very large majority of the cost goes to former and ongoing R&D, licenses, patents, royalties, and other legalities.

-Gespenst-988d ago (Edited 988d ago )

Sooo, because it costs too much to produce at home, slave labour is justified. Are you serious? How can you think that?

So YOU can afford your precious console and so some corporation can make lots of money, slave labour is justified? The priorities of the privileged people of the western world are so far gone.

jackanderson1985988d ago

@ChrisW i know a large portion is related to R&D but there's numerous ways to have that written off for companies if they have a half decent accountancy team that'll reduce their tax load and what not to nil but yeah there is other costs than labour hitting it but my point was comparing the minimum wage between western countries and asia there's a huge difference and that'd likely drive up the cost.

@gespenst i never once said it was justified i explained the reasons behind it... is it fair hell no, will it change definitely not.. at worse the company will get a fine maybe a slapping then two weeks down the line when the press has died down they'll be straight back at it... and it's not the priorities of western people it's the priority of all mankind, get the cheapest crap possible and don't pay the excess if possible

-Gespenst-988d ago

It's the priorities of a capitalist society Jackanderson- it's the priorities of a world that has naturalised the idea of money. It has nothing to do with human nature itself, it has everything to do with how human nature functions in relation to a monetary system; how it's forced to behave because of the rules of that system.

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JimmyLmao989d ago

i'm sorry but that will not work on so many level's... i do economics at uni =)

extermin8or989d ago

Well I don't need to be doing economics at uni to see how many levels that's flawed on... (physics actually :P) anyway yeah bit of common sense/basic logic should show how flawed his idea is :S I'm slightly concerned he couldn't see this as/when he wrote the comment...

DragonKnight988d ago

"you better build 7.5 million of them in America or get the [email protected] out of our country with your slave labor made trash"

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Bathyj988d ago (Edited 988d ago )

So every product must have a manufacturing plant in every country they want to sell in? And if the costs are too high your plan is to sell it at a loss anyway otherwise no one will buy it?

I can tell you mean well, but that sounds like the plan of a child written on the back of a matchbook.

Plus why would anyone want to buy a console made in America. Or Australia. Or France. Or any country that doesn't make a lot of electronics. Think about the actual logistics of what you're saying.

IcicleTrepan988d ago

China is forcing companies to do this if they want to sell within China.

Bathyj988d ago

And if China jumped off a bridge would you?

rainslacker988d ago

Why would anyone give their children matches to write such a plan out though? Common sense man...I know you have it.:)

Bathyj988d ago

I was quoting Harvey Keitel from Copland.

rainslacker988d ago

Ah. Well then I feel my pithiness fell flat then.:)

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ChrisW989d ago

IMO, any company that uses Foxconn for manufacturing of their goods knows very well that there WILL be work ethic violations.

PsylentKiller988d ago (Edited 988d ago )

In my comment above I couldn't remember where I've heard this type of story before. It was about Foxconn. Thank you. That was going to drive me crazy all day.

nypifisel988d ago

Most of the major electronic companies actually use Foxconn. They got the right machinery for it.

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