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Submitted by Concertoine 190d ago | news

Iwata says Nintendo doesn’t fear failure

Nintendo president Satoru Iwata talks of challenging the status quo, how failures make a stronger company, and the success of Japanese games in the Western world. (3DS, Industry, Nintendo, Nintendo DS, Wii, Wii U)

ArchangelMike  +   190d ago
Is that an admission of defeat? It is true that failure is not to be feared. No one ever learned to walk by never falling. I'm sure Nintendo have got the funds to be able to wipe off the whole Wii U investment, and start again with a 'proper' next-gen console.
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Concertoine  +   190d ago
ive said it a million times, but killing the wii u would put their future in much more danger than supporting it. it would destroy their image, and consumer loyalty. I, as a wii u owner, would NOT buy another nintendo system if nintendo showed no faith in the one i bought less than a year ago. even if they did release it, by the time it was conceptualized everyone would be happy with their ps4's and xbox one's.
snipermk0  +   190d ago
"Nintendo doesn't fear failure"

Take about being arrogant.
cyguration  +   190d ago
Not to mention the Wii U isn't even that far behind the PS4/XB1 in terms of tech. The graphical differences will still be negligible compared to PC, so graphic whores shouldn't even make that an issue.

As for the games... the Wii U has a ton of cool games on the horizon, so all these naysayers they need to "start over" need to get their head out of the clouds and realize that 'X', Bayonetta 2, Project CARS and plenty of high-end games are right around the corner for the Wii U. Nintendo would be stupid to abandon the console now.
wiiuniverse  +   190d ago
well said i would like to see any one who says that run a company as CEO lol. killing the wii u is the worst thing they can do right now
Timesplitter14  +   190d ago
Iwata doesn't fear death. He will kamikaze on Sony and will be declared god among men by Nintendo
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360ICE  +   190d ago
@cyguration
Judging by Skylanders: Swap Force, Wii U is much closer to PS3 and 360 than to PS4. Judging by every game released on Wii U up until now, actually. Mario Kart looks really nice though, so I'm not saying it can't improve. It's just that games like The Division, Destiny and The Order are already shown for the PS4 (and XONE) so I think the difference is going to be pretty noticeable.

EDIT:
Also, take a quick look at this comparison: http://www.ign.com/wikis/xb...

I wouldn't call the differences between them subtle. Nor would I call myself a graphics whore, but I do like hardware to take a big step after seven years.
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Eonjay  +   190d ago
Somehow I don't think the investors and shareholders share his zeal for failure.
slivery  +   190d ago
@cyguration

No offense, although I know many will take it as so. I really don't like hearing people say the hardware differences between the Wii U, PS4 and Xbox One are not that big. Even I know that is not true owning one, you must know what is in the systems you purchase right? I do.

It actually is pretty big. When you are comparing a 3 core system with 2GB RAM to 8 core systems with 8GB of RAM, even if these were just PC's that would be a significant difference in how they perform. No matter how you look at it that is a pretty big difference when it comes to computing performance. Now I am not saying Wii U games look like crap, they don't and some of them look excellent. The fact is that there will be a pretty big graphical difference let alone differences in what can be done in these games between the Wii U compared to the PS4 and Xbox One. The hardware differences are big.

It is basically the Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 all over again but that isn't a bad thing as it never stopped the Wii from selling like hotcakes. I don't know why people even bother defending the Wii U's power knowing all this when it's rare except like with two instances that Nintendo has ever had the most powerful hardware. People should just be used to it by now.

Especially later on down the line it will show greatly with the PS4 and Xbox One.

Nintendo fans were never about graphics, it does get a little annoying now that Nintendo finally makes a more advanced system that is all I hear about. When those same fans would have crapped on anyone before who talked about graphics as if they were stupid for doing so and that game play is all that mattered. Now they are the same as everyone else going on about 1080p 60fps all the time as if that defines a good game.

I also hate hearing people say power doesn't matter but then why do people buy new systems time and time again if that was the case, why do these console makers even imrpove the hardware every time? Of course power is not everything and graphics are not either but it can be just as important.

What sense would that make if lets say Nintendo just released the Wii U with the same specifications of the Wii but just with new games? It wouldn't make any sense and people would be complaining that the hardware has not changed.

Better hardware leads to better games. It really is that simple everything in the world improves not matter how minimal it may be (cough phones), again I'm not saying every good game has to be some graphical beast either, I love tons of games from 2D or 3D. Point being people care about having better hardware.

Developers themselves would not be happy to be working on the same hardware every so odd years. It just wouldn't make sense.

As far as everyone thinking Nintendo should just make another system, I agree with you that is just stupid. I just cannot agree that the Wii U is close hardware wise to the PS4 and Xbox One because just from a technical point of view it is not close at all really.
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PoSTedUP  +   190d ago
nintendo consoles have been on a decline since the NES. despite the surge they had with their wii, that they marketed the hell out of with their wii motes, they are on the same if not slightly lesser track that they have been on for the last 2 decades (as far as consoles that is).

really. they need a new strategy. jump off of marios **** hes has been losing his mojo for some time now on consoles, says the sales. start using new IPs, be more creative, all people see in nintendo is mario and zelda and wii sports, they arent going to hold up much longer. bring a huge pokemon game to your console or something. buy some exclusives if you have to. they need to look at their pattern and realize the wii wasent a true success, it didnt instill value and longevity in the consumer like sony has done with ps1 & 2, it was just a gimmick and they are feeling it right about now. id hate to see them go as much as id hate to have another generation where i see no reason to own a ninendo console.

for reference:
nes: 61m
snes: 44m
n64: 32m
gameC: 24m
wii: 100m (i Wonder why..)/s
wiiU: not looking good at all...

some#'s could be off by mill or two.

they need to do something and fast b4 they turn into a handheld only manufacture and publisher/ devloper. i wanna see nintendo pull through, but i also want them to want Me as a consumer. they turned their backs on the hardcore, when the hardcore gamer was probably all that was left supporting them with the n64 and GC, then they marketed their gimmick, now they have no gimmick, nor a sturdy fanbase of console gamers...
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awesomeabe1998  +   190d ago
@Silvery I just had to read till the part talking about cores and Ram.

The Wii U only has 3 cores and PS4 8 cores, but each Wii U core out pergorms each PS4 core by a significant amount. That amount is at least 2x.

Next is Ram. Let me ask you a question. How big is the difference between Wii U and PS3 at the moment? People say not much. Now tjink about this. That gap between the PS3 and Wii U is the same as the gap between the Wii U and PS4. PROOF:

PS3: 512 MB OF RAM
WII U: 2GB OF RAM
PS4: 8GB OF RAM

You do notice that the Wii U is 4 times as powerful as PS3 and that the PS4 is 4 times as powerful as Wii U. The gap is not that big. Nintendo leaped over a generation of graphics. They jumped from an enhanced Gamecube (Wii) to a Full HD graphical system running at 60 FPS (Wii U)

I made my point.
HeavenlySnipes  +   190d ago
@awesomeabe

None of that matters if devs are making the WiiU version of cross gen games be equivalent to the current gen versions. Watchdogs and Assassin's Creed on the WiiU will mirror the PS3 and 360 versions

I've yet to see a dev show any PS4/X1/WiiU games. The only time the WiiU gets a multiplat is if its on the PS3 and 360 as well

The big multiplat next gen games are all excluding the WiiU save a couple that will perform AND look better on either the X1 or PS4. There is almost no third party support, the console gets games in the same quality as 7 year old hardware, and the price is $50 less than the PS4.

In actuality, the WiiU is boosting the likelihood of people buying a PS4 by providing a huge upgrade between a cheaper console (360 or PS3) and a premium more expensive one.

Applying this to a real life proven study, people are more likely to buy a large popcorn for $7 at the movies over a small popcorn for $3 IF they are also given the option of a medium popcorn for $6.50 (yes you read that right). People would rationalize that getting the large would be a deal because its "only 50 cents more than a medium". Given only a small vs large however (think Wii vs PS3/360) people are more likely to choose the small because the large is almost double the price

The Wii did well because it was considerably cheaper than the other consoles, whereas the WiiU is a "medium" console, inbetween the current and next gen ones, making it undesirable.

(I major in psychology btw)
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andrewer  +   190d ago
@snipermk0 arrogant? wtf? fear is one of the greatest obstacles to anyone, if they don't fear failure that means they are ready to put everything at risk for their costumers and innovation. I can only admire that, can't understand why people think like you...
awesomeabe1998  +   190d ago
@HeavenlySnipes

Do you think Nintendo needs as much third party support as Sony or MS?

Nintendo can come up with a great game from any genre.

The Wii U is 150 dollars less than PS4. Your fanboyism is so obvious. I was talking only about graphics. How did u get games into this idk.
Locknuts  +   190d ago
Yeah pretty much. It would destroy any faith in Nintendo supporting their own consoles and launch sales would be non-existent.
AbortMission  +   190d ago
Are they even supporting the Wii u?

10 bucks that the 2014 lineup is the ENTIRE lineup for that year. I'm calling it.
badz149  +   190d ago
@awesomeabe1998

"PS3: 512 MB OF RAM
WII U: 2GB OF RAM
PS4: 8GB OF RAM

You do notice that the Wii U is 4 times as powerful as PS3 and that the PS4 is 4 times as powerful as Wii U..."

yeah, because 1.5GB difference is TOTALLY the same as 6GB difference! /s

how many times should it be said that the amount of RAM is NOT the definition of "power" for a machine before people can understand? if you're talking TFLOPS, then sure, that might give a slight idea of a machines's power but RAM? not so much!

oh...and for the record, the PS4 has theoretical power 1.5TFLOPS more than the Wii U. seems small, right? but if you consider the fact that the PS3 has < 300 GFLOPS performance, the Wii U is actually < 2x more powerful than the PS3 but the PS4 is almost 6x more powerful than the PS3.
Ol_G  +   190d ago
All the people saying they should abandon it probably can't even imagine what would happen if they did that
You're right if they abandoned it i would never buy a Nintendo product again their image would break down like a cardhouse
People saying this kind of stuff are usually little kids who didn't grew up/don't care about Nintendo sad really
RGB  +   190d ago
Jesus people don't know what they're talking about here;

PS3: CELL 160 GFLOP/s & RSX 176 GFLOP/s. 336 GFLOP/s. - RAM XDR + GDDR3 25 GB/s.
WiiU: IBM Tri-core 15 GFLOP/s & AMD GPU 352 GFLOP/s. 367 GFLOP/s. - RAM DRR3 12.8 GB/s + EDRAM 70.4 GB/s.
PS4: AMD 8-core 102.4 GFLOP/s & AMD GPU 1843 GFLOP/s. 1945.4 GFLOP/s. - RAM GDDR5 176 GB/s.

WiiU is only slightly more power than PS3, this is due to the extremely dated and poor CPU. It uses 2 32-bit floating-point modules, they produce 4 FLOPs per second per CPU. 4 FLOP/s x 3 cores x 1.25GHz = 15 GFLOP/s.

PS4's CPU uses a Two-way 128-bit wide floating-point module that produces 8 FLOPs per second per CPU. 8 FLOP/s x 8 cores x 1.6GHz = 102.4 GFLOP/s.

PS4's CPU is 6.8x better in just computational power, never mind it's vastly superior architecture.

WiiU's GPU is 352 GFLOP/s, 550MHz x 320 cores x 2 cycles per instruction = 352 GFLOP/s.
PS4's GPU is 1843 GFLOP/s, 800*MHz* x 1152 x 2 cycles per instruction = 1843 GFLOP/s.
PS4's GPU is 5.25x more powerful than WiiU's GPU.

WiiU's RAM DDR3 is 12.8 GB/s, 800MHz x 128-bit / 8 = 12.8 GB/s. EDRAM (unknown, *guess*) is 70.4 GB/s, 550MHz x 1024-bit / 8 = 70.4 GB/s.
PS4's RAM GDDR5 is 176 GB/s, 5.5GHz x 256-bit / 8 = 176 GB/s.

The gap between PS3 and WiiU is marginal at best.
PS4 is 5.3x more powerful than WiiU.

Edit for - PS4's GPU *MHz*.
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SilentNegotiator  +   189d ago
"Not to mention the Wii U isn't even that far behind the PS4/XB1 in terms of tec"

Still trying to convince yourself of that one, eh?

I guess it's just the fault of lazy developers (like Nintendo?) that there aren't any native 1080p games on Wii U that aren't 2D, a remaster, or 2.5D, or a racer, right? PS4 is going to have not only racers and fixed camera games in 1080p, but also games like Killzone:SF.

But then Wii U will catch up, right? Launch graphics are never the best! Wii U will improve, but PS4/Xbox will just sit there waiting for Wii U to catch up?
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clouds5  +   189d ago
Be careful when comparing an x86 system to a powerpc. You can't say look at 8 cores vs 3 and 8gb vs 2gb. Those things are the most insignificant parts when you compare processing power.
The problem I see with wii u is that it's gpu has some missing directx11 features. But it's all speculation we do not know enough about it at this point.
bobacdigital  +   189d ago
You have to realize the most risky and innovative things are done without fear of failure. Arrogance is a lot different than confidence.. They believe in their ability to make innovative and fun games.
pogayoga1  +   190d ago
The Wii U is struggling right now, but that doesn't mean they should kill it. They just need more 1st party software to increase interest in the console.

Wait until SM3DW, DKC:TF, and SSB Wii U are released and then make an accurate judgement of the system.
Campy da Camper  +   190d ago
The new super Mario and Mario kart look fun as heck. Sure, my main gaming will be on the ps4 but my bedroom has a wiiu and I always play an hour or two a night on it to help me unwind from long, intense gaming sessions in my living room.
Beastforlifenoob  +   189d ago
wait until this wait until that... Yeah WII U fanbois are always saying that.

Let me tell you, wait for the PS4 and then see what happens, spoiler alert WII U dies a miserable death.
s8anicslayer  +   190d ago
Iwata is truely the last samurai
badvlad  +   190d ago
oh no u didnt, chuck norris is knocking at ur door as we speak hes the last of evrything
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Codey47  +   190d ago
You really must be sniffing what Shallow Hal snorted.

Next, You'll be telling me flick from Bugs Life has secured his future as John Rambo in the next iteration of Rambo Films.
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ZeekQuattro  +   190d ago
I said it before & I'll say it again. Yeah because abandoning Saturn in favor of the Dreamcast helped Sega immensely. I certainly remember the Dreamcast being a huge success for Sega & Peter Moore. I also remember how many consumers and devs were endured by Sega's actions. I mean who doesn't love it when a device they just bought or worked on gets discontinued abruptly. Come on! Come on! Get serious! lmao
dragongod64  +   190d ago
nintendo
Let your Wii U die or make a game that proves your console does not suck. Pokemon MMO RPG, Metroid prime Galesy (15 worlds the size of Metroid prime 3 "2 Player +"), Mario Kart: Eat My Dust (50 + courses, Every thing from dinosaur land in to the sky down in to a vocano out in to the center of the earth in to a space ship that will space jump to outer space. You get my point every thing. :) ), There a so many people saying there ideas, take them make games we want OR Maka a console that can handle the games I am listing.
Don't get me wrong I love nintendo I got there list: Wii, gamecube, Snes & nes still. love nintendo, hate Wii U.
-Foxtrot  +   190d ago
The Nintendo defending in the comments here is off the chart....why is it people don't want to admit that Nintendo is slowly going down a slippery slope.

I get defending comments that say things like "Nintendo f***** sucks" etc as it's exgerated and immature but the business decisions they've been making since the end of the Wii's lifespan is ridiculous.

Iwata is the problem and he needs to go...I don't care how he made the Wii popular or brought the handheld market up in the past, thats the PAST, at the minute he's holding Nintendo back from an evolving market which I hope if there is a new guy he'll get on board with this. First thing is to get a stable online network for the console matching the PSN and XBL.
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PopRocks359  +   190d ago
"The Nintendo defending in the comments here is off the chart....why is it people don't want to admit that Nintendo is slowly going down a slippery slope."

I love this double standard that people who like Nintendo are not allowed to point it out when a ton of people crap on Nintendo but it's A-OK to pull that stupid "Look at all the Nintendo defense" card.

Edit: Frankly I don't think Nintendo is on a downward climb. I just believe they pulled the wrong moves with Wii U and are paying for it. And frankly I don't have to think otherwise; that's my opinion on the matter and until some objective facts are presented to suggest otherwise, I'm not following the gut feelings of those who are already incredibly cynical.

And furthermore, I think Iwata deserves far more respect and recognition than most people give him. I agree he probably should not run everything, but to say he "needs to go" is a ludicrously immature and narrow minded way of viewing the matter.

Edit 2: @below

"I just said defending a company which clearly have issues is silly."

So let me get this straight, it doesn't matter what the context is, the simple act of defending Nintendo is silly... that's a strawman argument if I've ever heard one.

I agree Nintendo needs to change things; I've already written blogs ranting about my issues with their online and account efforts. But I don't agree that Iwata has to go or that they need to discontinue Wii U in favor of a new console, or go third party or any other retarded thing I've heard this community spew time and time again.

If I may offer some constructive criticism, I can tell there was no malicious intent behind your comment, but I don't think it was presented very well. It came off as ignorant and left a bitter taste in my mouth.
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-Foxtrot  +   190d ago
"I love this double standard that people who like Nintendo are not allowed to point it out"

I never said you could, I never once said "You guys are NOT allowed to say how much you love Nintendo" or tell off obvious haters

I just said defending a company which clearly have issues is silly. It doesn't help the company and it doesn't help gamers in general. I like Nintendo I just can see that they can do better and if you go along putting you fingers in your ears and pretending like nothing is wrong then Nintendo won't want to do anything to help themselves. It just comes off fanboy-ish at the end of the day.

"when a ton of people crap on Nintendo"

As I've said above in my original comment

"I get defending comments that say things like "Nintendo f***** sucks" etc as it's exgerated and immature"

Come on Pops...read please, don't get so ticked off over nothing.

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"Frankly I don't think Nintendo is on a downward climb. I just believe they pulled the wrong moves with Wii U and are paying for it."

Urmmmmm yeah same thing difference is they are still making silly decisions even now. They are still not doing enough to help themselfs and secure the Wii Us future.

"is a ludicrously immature and narrow minded way of viewing the matter."

Not really it's bussiness.

Let me tell you something if he was at any other company and he f***** up as much with the Wii U and Nintendo in general recently he would of be forced to resign or sacked either straight away or very soon after.
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Shnazzyone  +   190d ago
Nope. Means the wii U will be pure labor of love like n64. Wii U could be looked back to as some one of the greatest systems for nintendo. Because they're making games just because they wanna. Wii gave em' the money pad to just focus on kicking butt. Not becoming number 1.
ritsuka666  +   190d ago
People here on N4G fail to remember that 360 and PS3 had a pretty terrible launch as well? Man some people just seem to bash Nintendo every chance they get and it needs to stop.
Beastforlifenoob  +   189d ago
Yeah but they had the latest&greatest hardware

WII U hardware is far outdated (probs around 6 years)
iamnsuperman  +   190d ago
Yes failure can make a company stronger but only if they are willing to adapt. This is my major problem with Iwata. I do not think he is a good CEO when he says

"If you do the same thing as others, it will wear you out. Nintendo is not good at competing so we always have to challenge [the status quo] by making something new, rather than competing in an existing market."

Look we all like something new. Something new is great but the problem is this quote shows a lack of understanding of the market. You have to compete and make your company compete. You can do that by bringing new things in but you make sure that idea is suitable to the market needs/wants.

I personally think this quote shows how short sighted he is. It is all about the long game not the short game which the Wii is a perfect example of the short game. It was a fantastic idea but now they are playing catch up with sorting out how to develop games in HD and online services (something its competitors have been doing for 6 years).
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Concertoine  +   190d ago
im glad nintendo doesn't just make a black box that plays the same stuff as everything else with the odd exclusive, but some of the choices they make regarding stuff like region locking, refusing to discount their damn games years after they came out, and the generally slow pace they're doing everything on the wii u right now is rather frustrating. in other words, i like the wii u, i just don't like the way nintendo's treating it.
i don't hate iwata as much as a lot of people, but i do feel some more forward thinking minds could benefit the company.
truechainz  +   190d ago
Hit the nail right on the head. I have read a few company reviews, and they claim there is a pretty solid disconnect between upper and middle management. New ideas are not as easily accepted depending on where they come from. I think Nintendo would benefit from have a more balanced management structure.
Beastforlifenoob  +   189d ago
Actually they do make the same as the rest of Nintendos "white" boxes.
E.g.
Milked mario (over 100 mario games from tennis to racing to Dr mario)
MIlked zelda franchise
tonnes of remasters (yes Ps3 has these to but their not the 'main' games of the system wheras wii u fankids always say cant wait for remaster of this or that it will be a system seller.)
Outdated hardware
Gimmiks (wii mote, WII U touchpad not even capacittive LOOLLLLLL is this 2003?)
Childish games (barely any Nintendo games feature mature and dark storylines.)
Pokemon milked franchise, there are about 30 pokemon games.

THERE ARE BARELY aNY NEW IPS ALL OF THEM ARE GOAT MILKED OR CRAP.
NYC_Gamer  +   190d ago
Nintendo needs to start getting rid of dead weight
PopRocks359  +   190d ago
The man who helped create the Wii and DS shortly after the failure that was the GCN is considered dead weight? The same CEO who took a 50% cut in his salary instead of laying off developers is DEAD WEIGHT?!

Jesus Christ, what the hell is a GOOD CEO to you?
Concertoine  +   190d ago
from a financial perspective iwata is the most lucrative CEO in gaming history, but the fan's faith in him has waned since the wii. as fans we shouldnt focus on his financial strides (that's nintendo's job) but his shortcomings when it comes to delivering what WE want.
in my opinion he's starting to get on the right track, and i think he can deliver an excellent console with wii u but i'd like to see him relegated to the handheld division or return to producing games after this gen, if not during.
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deafdani  +   190d ago
Bobby Kotick. I hear he's a nice guy. ^_^
lilbroRx  +   189d ago
"The fans" faiths in him hasn't waned at all. The only people who dislike Iwata are people who want Nintendo to fail, Nintendo haters in other words.

The Wii U is starting to pick up steam with sells in the U.S. being on the same level as the PS3/360/3DS now.

They just need to get it up to those levles in Europe and Japan and all that will take is the right games.

Iwata is doing a great job.
Erudito87  +   190d ago
In other words they embrace it?
LOL_WUT  +   190d ago
It's been with the company ever since the Gamecube they just got lucky with the Wii that's all. ;)
lilbroRx  +   189d ago
The Wii, and the GBA, and DS, and the 3DS.

Also, the Gamecube made profit in case you forgot(or more than likely never knew).

Nintendo haters are like Republicans. They live in a different reality.

Your comment is ignorance at its prime. lol, what!? :)
king_george  +   190d ago
I think nintendo will learn from their mistakes with the wii u. You cant rely on casuals all the time. Sure they are a big group but they arent a consistant group. However, because of the 3ds, nintendo arent in trouble quite yet. That things selling like crazy
Acesonnall  +   190d ago
Can people like you who don't even know why the Wii U is selling the way it is stop acting like they do?

You even sound like you're serious.
king_george  +   190d ago
Dude... chill. Im not pretending to be some "know it all" im just expressing my thoughts on the matter. Believe it or not i am a nintendo fan and wish them nothing but the best but its obvious they're struggling with this console. And so what if i was serious? Jesus christ man... IMO they have two main problems with this console: lack of console moving software and lack of focus. This is just my two cents theres no need for hostility.
Acesonnall  +   190d ago
Don't take it personally, it's not about being a Nintendo fan or not. You literally have no clue what you're talking about when you say they've been selling the system to casuals when all the while barely any games that everyone can enjoy exist on the console.

Most people argue that this is their problem.
king_george  +   190d ago
I have no clue.... -_- ok. Well if they werent trying to sell it to casuals then who were they trying to sell it to? Cuz it sure as heck wasnt the hardcore gamer thats for sure.. im sorry but it doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize that new super mario bros u, wii fit u, mario and sonic at the olympic winter games, wii party u, and several others are not hardcore games. When you say they havent been marketing it to the casuals i just dont get it because lets be honest... they have. Now im not saying thats a bad thing because hey there should be games for everyone. But nintendo hasnt done enough to sway more hardcore gamers and i (and several others im sure) believe that contributes greatly to their slow sales. Anyways, seeing as this is my last bubble i just wanted to apologize if i offended anyone in here. Im not usually this vocal at all but i just wanted to get my point across. And acesonnall, if u wanna keep chatting feel free to pm me. Im interested in ur views on nintendo

@Below: look dude im out of bubbles.. so im kinda forced to stop yes. But i'll say one last thing: a lot of those games on that link are already on both the ps3 and 360 or another system. So why would ur average joe buy a whole new console for them? Nintendo hasnt provided enough AMAZING first party hardcore games exclusive to their system. Thats all im saying but ur missing my point completely. Whatever. Again, if u wanna debate some more feel free to pm me
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Acesonnall  +   190d ago
http://www.gamerankings.com...

The ten consists of mostly core current gen titles. What Nintendo needed is at the top of that list. They need more first parties. Most of which were absent at launch this year.

I don't actually think you're an idiot and I probably shouldn't have spoke the way I originally did, but this is what I was trying to point out.
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badvlad  +   190d ago
wii u should be sold for 99dollars
deafdani  +   190d ago
And the PS3 should be free.

See? I can say stupid things too! :D
kratos_TheGoat  +   190d ago
nintendo fear no look at gc sure flop but they bounce back with wii. don't be surprise if they can do it again. games like ssb, mario kart, dk, zelda & mario single player are nintendo killer app those games make halo money
DejectedJeff  +   190d ago
not to mention they made money off the gamecube even when it only sold 22 million units, that's pretty impressive
wishingW3L  +   190d ago
if they really didn't they wouldn't be milking the same franchises for more than 20 years.
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4logpc  +   190d ago
Nintendos problem is software.

I truly feel the Wii u was just a rushed piece of hardware. Its not bad, but its very simplistic, and it really is just a few wii's tapped together, combined with the game pad.

even the game pad feels beta. Its very thick and kind of heavy considering there's nothing in the Wii u gamepad thats doing processing, and the battery life is just meh.

I am starting to believe the Wii u's problem was the console was released in an unfinished state on the driver side. Pikmin 3 was delayed for almost a year, and now donkey kong is being delayed as well. I mean delays happen, but a 2d donkey kong shouldn't be delayed.

it would also explain the sheer lack of games, and maybe Nintendo can get the drivers up to snuff so developers will want to bring their games to the console.
lilbroRx  +   189d ago
Nintendo spent nearly 2 years on developing the Wii U after it was announced to create customized processors and MCB connectivity. They came up with the gamepad concept in 2007. All devs who have made games for the console say it has far exceeded the performance that its specs suggest.

Sony and Microsoft haven't even spent one year on the PS4 or Xboxone, and they are both just using derivatives of stock hardware that have proven to under-perform what their raw numbers say with all of the realizations of sub 1080p games and downgrades.

Please define rushed to me.
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Shinox  +   190d ago
Nintendo , Your arrogance kills you
Do you think 3DS will survive all that long, Do you think by releasing the Wii U you will have a big player base , i personally don't think so
The only solution for you right now is to be a part of the gaming industry , in other words to be beside your own enemy that you refuse him a long time ago
oops
Magic turned against the magician , Now your student will become the teacher
Well done .. Sony
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4logpc  +   190d ago
Well done Sony???

They have just as many issues as Nintendo right now
GenericNameHere  +   190d ago
I would not be surprise if Wii U sales are only around GameCube sales. Does anyone have the "________ will save the Wii U" list? Because the things fans have been claiming as saviors, like Mario, Pikmin 3, W101, price cuts, etc, have done very little to save the Wii U so far. In fact, there have been TWO Mario games on the Wii U already, and has done little to make the Wii U as successful as the Wii. Will that 3D Mario Land U really save the Wii U? I doubt Bayonetta 2 will save the Wii U either.
Ol_G  +   190d ago
You mean that troll list that Sony fanboys made after they had to swallow it with ps3 release yeah really mature to try to use something like that for an argument
lilbroRx  +   189d ago
The entire "save the Wii U" garbage was cooked up by Sony fanboys to elevate the status of games that most people expect not to sale that much to supposed system seller status, only to bash them as failures when they don't do what the Sony fanboys imposed, but was never stated by Nintendo supports.

The Wii U system sellers are going to be Mario Kart 8, Smash Brothers U, Legend of Zelda U, Bayonetta 2 and Monolith's X.

Anyone who try to paint any game other than those as being a supposed system seller is a Sony fanboy who is trying to fabricate a let down situation to rag on Nintendo like you are.
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BOWZER35  +   190d ago
I think Iwata has the right mindset because he is looking toward the better future and not the present. In other words failure is not an option, and this too shall pass for nintendo.
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TongkatAli  +   190d ago
Nintendo and Sony are the best. People should support both. I cannot deny how amazing that new Pokemon game looks.
JackieCruise69  +   190d ago
I don't see why they would fear failure. There's times of failure and times of success. Nintendo's just going through rough waters, nobody can pin the Wii U as a failure just yet, it may be nearly a year old, but that is still young.

I am happy to see they're still confident and not giving in though, I like that. I also like how they've been following their own thing, they have the guts to try something new and even admit they aren't good at competing.
I suppose they should be more careful though, They need to take a better look at the Western market and be more prepared. I will admit, jumping into HD gaming without even getting much practice was pretty damn stupid of them, and the lack of games is just ridiculous. But I'll be hoping 2014 will redeem all of the stupidity and hopefully they'll be more aggressive towards 3rd party developers, because that problem is getting ridiculous too.
tiffac008  +   190d ago
I agree, I do not see what is wrong with what Iwata said. We should never fail failure, the thing we should fear is not doing anything about it and I think Ninty is doing something about it.

Heck! The Wii u isn't even a failure, sure its disappointing in the sales category but it still has a long way to go before any judgement can be labelled upon it.
dragonopt1  +   190d ago
Well they failed cause I don't know ONE person that's bought as Wii U and most of my friends are gamers lol...
Misaka_x_Touma  +   190d ago
keyword YOU not thers
R00bot  +   190d ago
I have a Wii U.

Now you know two people :)
lilbroRx  +   189d ago
I have a Wii U. Everyone I've let play it loved it.

Most said they are just waiting for the new Smash Brothers or Mario Kart to get it.

What you and your friends like is irrelevant, because as has been stated many times, Nintendo doesn't cater to children...
MASTER_RAIDEN  +   190d ago
interesting statement for sure. Takes a lot of guts for a company to even indirectly admit that theyre facing hardship the way nintendo is. the with the 3ds's success, its almost like nintendo could just continue to act as if the problem isnt there because theyre still making some dough on the 3ds. lots of things (both good and bad) can be taken from a statement like this, but i feel like in a lot of ways this really illustrates nintendos belief in their own product. some would call it "damage control" but i really dont believe thats the case. when you constantly come out with products which you think will innovate, only to constantly defend those products, shittt you must really believe in what you have. if nothing else, nintendo really believes in itself.
mochachino  +   190d ago
Nintendo may say that they don't fear failure, but they constantly fear competing against Sony and MS on equal footing aka hardware power wise.

They can't say they chose Wii U for hardware cost reasons given how much the Wii Pad bloats hardware costs. Wii U is priced way to close to PS4 and barely breaks even.

Sad too, because I think Nintendo with a normal controller, relatively equal hardware power (and architecture), and a proper online network could match or exceed MS and Sony in the console race.

They FINALLY would be supported by 3rd parties again and have all the Nintendo exclusives.

Their fear of failure is precisely what has held them back. Ever since failing with GameCube they feared competing in the same market. Then got lucky with Wii and mistook that luck for some unique prescience for gauging the market, which they evidently don't possess.
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R00bot  +   190d ago
3rd parties aren't supporting it because of a lack of... encouragement *cough*bribingdevs*couch*

The power isn't a problem. Remember the PS2? It was the least powerful, but had the best 3rd party support anyway.

Power doesn't correlate to 3rd parties.
mochachino  +   188d ago
Wii U compared to more PS2, Xbox, and GC were of comparable power.

Wii U is more like PSP compared to PS2 at best.
X1PS4WiiU  +   190d ago
Why are you guys getting so worked up over videogames?

Enjoy what you like, no reason to have a fit with each other over something thats suppose to be fun.
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Pancit_Canton  +   190d ago
Yup. They not afraid of failure but they are afraid of investors. Iwata shat brick and cut his paycheck in half to reduced the 3DS by $100 when it's not selling well in the beginning of it's life cycle. Probaby the most desperate move in gaming history. Hyprocite much.
AWBrawler  +   190d ago
MS Cheap Xbox with Kinect bundle was more desperate than that, as was having oprah give them away, crashing a sony event, and harrassing Nintendo fans at the E3 Experience.
R00bot  +   190d ago
Handhelds have always been Nintendo's lifeblood, as well.

If Nintendo's handhelds are failing then Nintendo is in trouble.

No Nintendo handheld had ever failed before, that's why he was so quick to do those cuts etc.

And how in the world is cutting his own paycheck a sign of him having "shat brick"? I thought it was incredibly generous of him, and a much better choice than dropping devs (the only other option...).
unknownbystander  +   190d ago
His statement has already been happening since he became president. Nintendo doesn't go with trends that have been changing constantly ( why fix it when it's not broke? ). You can almost say that they create trends. Out of the big three, i think they are the ones taking the biggest risk and at the same time maybe even playing it safe. They release games that have been popular for at least 3 decades already and I have yet to see a decline. Risk: because whenever they innovate, it might not be widely accepted by everyone.

He proclaims that Nintendo doesn't fear failure simply because they are NOT embracing failure, but failure is NOT an option and they have to do what they do best, creating games that bring unique experiences for the player.

Side note, my thoughts:

I have owned an Xbox 360 before and bought many of it's games. However none of them ever left a lasting impression on me. Why, my first ever console was a PS2. That was a time when Sony was actually competing with Nintendo, and made many quality games. Ex: Rachet&Clank, Jax&Daxter, Crash Bandicot, etc. When they started to compete with Microsoft, that's when things went downhill. I made a transition to Nintendo starting with the Wii. The games that I bought for it were actually fun. I still remember playing Skyward Sword, Twilight Princess, Mario Galaxy 1&2.

Then I bought a Wii U. There will be games coming for it that i'm very sure i'm going to enjoy like Monolithsofth's X, Bayonetta 2, Mario 3D World, Watch Dogs, and many more unannounced games like Fire Emblem X Shin Megami Tensei.

I will also be getting a PS4 along side my Wii U so this will be interesting to see how it turns out.
pabadamus1  +   190d ago
"Doesn't fear failure"...this is the kind of apathy that is rotting Nintendo from the inside out. How could the president of a large corporation ever utter such words? Failure without effort in the face of competition is never OK. Saying such things is tantamount to a ship's captain accepting 'unavoidable' catastrophe 20 miles out from a very obvious iceberg. He sees failure and chooses to do nothing or can do nothing. Either condition is awash in ineptitude.

The sad thing is after reading the comments section of the article it would seem Nintendo fans are of the same mindset. Many have praised Iwata for throwing in the towel. Some see his statements as bold and forthright. "We cannot compete" he says. No Iwata, you're just a loser. Your lack of ability and leadership is what will sink Nintendo. Nothing else. I wish Nintendo investors and stakeholders would see this and throw this fuc?er overboard.
R00bot  +   190d ago
Are you sure you read the article right?

In no way was he admitting defeat.

In no way was he saying they cannot compete.

I sure hope you're trolling.
pabadamus1  +   189d ago
I used his words slightly out of context to further my point so yeah you can say I trolled. I have been listening to Iwata for a while and he seems to have no answer for correcting the Wii U's failing trajectory. Every other statement from Iwata, though imbued with humility (which I can appreciate), lacks confidence, inspiration or vision. He does come across as a leader who has no answers and has given up.

I know Iwata believes that the Wii U and software are innovations within gaming but he has been ineffective in communicating that to fans and gamers in general. Not even prior Wii fans are willing to transition at this moment. The argument was once attributed to a lack of games but there is a good assortment of first party software out there right now. So what is the problem? Again I attribute that to leadership and vision or the lack there of. Consumers will not support a platform that is not well defined and lacks robust external development support. These two conditions are solely attributable to the leadership.

I have never heard a top ranking CEO of a multi-billion $ company as large as Nintendo utter words such as "we cannot compete" or "we do not fear failure" regardless of context. I understand what he meant but his choice of words can be construed as concession in the face of insurmountable competition. These words are neither bold nor forthright. To me they do not inspire confidence. I see it as a heavy woven veil to cover the company's poor choices and resultant performance. Excuses. Iwata needs to put up or shut up.
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AKR  +   190d ago
There's a saying:

Recognizing your failures are the first steps to success. If you think of yourself as this all-powerful, perfect being ~ then you'll just end up becoming arrogant and tripping up.

Iwata's statement was definetly bold and unexpected ~ but it's good. It shows that he plans to run his company in a way that's different. Instead of trying to become a carbon-copy of everyone else, they're purposely being different. I admire that. Reminds me of me. That shows confidence.
R00bot  +   190d ago
I purchase Nintendo consoles just to get away from the bland FPS, TPS and fighting games that the other companies have done to the point of them becoming incredibly stale.

While all the other companies are arguing over which console has the best water droplet particle effects on a characters simulated hair, Nintendo is innovating with new experiences that are actually fun.
I can't remember the last time I smiled playing a shooter.
LOL_WUT  +   190d ago
So in other words he's basically admitting they've failed? I don't know why they still keep this man in charge when the guy is totally incapable of making some good business decisions. And it's absurd how the fanboys try and spin this into something positive. ;)
PopRocks359  +   190d ago
I guess choosing to not to layoff Nintendo's developers, who are some of the most talented minds in game design, was also a bad move too?

No, what's absurd is the utter disrespect and mud you and all of the other narrow minded users in this community sling at the man who helped put Nintendo back on the map with the Wii.
LOL_WUT  +   190d ago
See this is your problem dude you stick up for them every damn time that it's sickening. When is it ever going to be their fault to you fanboys? ;)
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360ICE  +   190d ago
- He makes bad decisions
- No, he doesn't. He made one good decision once.

What a fallacy.
Plenty of CEOs start out really well, only to run out of good ideas, so what Iwata has done doesn't really defend what he is doing.

Anyway. Iwata has been terrible when it comes to communicating with the western market, yet he's also the CEO of Nintendo America. How on earth that makes sense when Reggie exists, I will never know. Particularly since the western market was more important than ever to Nintendo with the Wii.

Nintendo has further removed its presence from the hardcore gaming world, by removing themselves from E3 among other things. They have established no solid relationships in the 3rd party world. They had few connections during the Wii years, but instead of strenghtening their relationships, everyone left as soon as the Wii U wouldn't sell. Oh, and the Wii U won't sell. It might pick up its pace, but a launch planned this badly is critique worthy. Even the PS3, late-blooming console nr. 1, had a decent exclusive line-up at this point in its life cycle, along with a third party supported that actually existed.

They have based an entire console on a gimmick that both PS4 and 720 will make use of too, without having this feature seem necessary in but a few games.

So, can extremely talented Nintendo EAD step in and save the day like they've done before? Yes, but even though Iawata may not have accepted studio layoffs once, he simply hasn't given them a great platform on which to sell their games.

These are some of the reasons people don't like Iwata that much anymore.
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PopRocks359  +   189d ago
Nice double standard considering you criticize Nintendo no matter what the context. There is literally almost no occasion where you are not bashing Nintendo for something. So really the question should be when are ignorant haters like you going to stop blaming Nintendo for everything? lolwut ;)
_QQ_  +   189d ago
LMAO!!! Microsoft had to completely change their policies for xboxone and Sony can barely keep VITA afloat and almost let the ps3 run them to the ground....yet Iwata.. the man who greatly succeeded three times with Wii, DS, and 3DS is the bad CEO?!?!?!
Let me gues he is also a bad CEO because he didn't buy Atlus right? i don't care how good Atlus's games are,they barely break the half a million mark per game so from a business perspective how would it be smart to buy them?
bobacdigital  +   189d ago
Nintendo was able to weather the failure of the virtual boy and the perceived failures of both the n64 and Gamecube back to back.

He doesn't fear failure because he learned that to succeed you have to be willing to put your neck out there and possibly fail.

I dont see a problem with what he said.. Nintendo has always found a way to persevere no matter how grim the circumstances are. Iwata may not be doing the best job , but he is staying true to what Nintendo is.

I will reserve judgement until after the release of both next gen consoles because this past generation was an anomaly in terms of sales. Wii 100M Xbox / PS3 70M each ... No generation ever has sold that many units and I dont believe the next generation will achieve that kind of success we have seen in the previous years.
MasterCornholio  +   190d ago
They shouldn't fear it, they should just be cautious about it like any other company.

Look what happened to Sega due to their arrogance.

Nexus 7 2013
corrus  +   189d ago
LOL with this he saying we are the best what a SB
GirlOnFire  +   189d ago
Reggie says "meh" to failure. ^~^
Iwata is a nice guy I wonder if he owns any PlayStation systems like Yoshida has 2 Wii U's.
sAVAge_bEaST  +   189d ago
I hope Nintendo does better.. We need them around.. Unlike that other software company (that can kick rocks.)
GraveLord  +   189d ago
Nintendo doesn't fear failure on consoles.
They are shaking in their boots at the possibility of their handheld systems failing though.

I bet they payed a good amount for Monster Hunter on 3DS. That was their biggest threat.
evilhasitsway  +   183d ago
they should with ps4 x1 and steambox hitting shelves soon nintendo will be hurting bad.

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