Submitted by My_precious 779d ago | news

Xbox One kerfuffle kicks up more concerns over ads, privacy

"You guys want to make advertising money with the Kinect but you also want to make console/game selling money [from] us," Pete Dodd, the man who started a social media campaign against digital rights management (DRM) on the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One this summer, wrote on the popular gaming forum NeoGAF Monday. "I don't know how you can do both." (Microsoft, Xbox One)

ArchangelMike  +   779d ago
I'm going to stay as far away from the XbOne and Kinect as I can. Microsoft have all this negative press, that has not stopped since the XbOne was announced. THey make U-turn here, and 180 there, but the negative issues still keep on coming.

I know that if I get an XbOne, I will get burned somehow, someway, I just know it. I'm not going to trust Microsoft with my money.
mewhy32  +   779d ago
Not trusting micro$oft is a smart move. after all the 180s and admission of participating in the prism nsa project, and now openly admitting that the kinect will be collecting data right out of your living room? Yeah. Stay away.
thrust   779d ago | Immature | show
falviousuk   779d ago | Immature | show
Ron_Danger  +   779d ago
I think that it's funny that all the MS supporters thought that Kinnect was going to let you use your XBox like the computer in Minority Report. Instead, it's being used to send customized advertisemts to you like the ones in Minority Report.

Say what you will about Sony and Nintendo, but at least all of the news for them lately has been 100% about gaming.
NatureOfLogic  +   779d ago
I can spend $100 less for the superior console, get the best of multiplats and not get spied on. Xbone is a disaster.
SilentNegotiator  +   779d ago
They will have everything they need in the XBL ToS, no doubt.

Either "deal with" having Kinect data sold to third parties and supporting the most heinous data collection around or don't buy an Xbox One.
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thechosenone  +   779d ago
So what do you say people, is this the absolute worst console launch in history?
Saigon  +   779d ago
Normally I go through comments and agree and disagree based on the comments for the article you all provide, but I can't do it this time, because I feel ashamed at what is happening to this system. I want this system to be successful because it is good for gaming but the information being spewed down is a little ridiculous. They can't catch a break. This article points out something very vivid that XBO has been receiving criticism since its been announced, and it hasn't stopped. I am not telling people to stop, its just I am shocked. Every week for the past couple its been bad news, u-turn to get good news and then someone finds the bad in the good news; and this happens every week. I am starting to think, the third console curse is real and if history stays true the 4th console is the turn around and the 5th console is trash once again.
Mega24  +   779d ago
what computer do you use, does it has windows and a Webcam?
WeaseL  +   779d ago
You can still buy a PC without a camera
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falviousuk  +   779d ago
And the mobile phone will have a camera as well as gps
Nabbic  +   779d ago
I use a custom built computer with no webcam, dual booting Linux Rosa and Linux Mint. Any games I want to use are run through Wine or similar programs.

I made it official last month, I do not want to deal with Windows again, and will probably get rid of it if I go on my laptop.
Mike134nl  +   779d ago
The big fear of consumers revolve around advertisers collecting information of users which users do not want to share. I do not believe private information can be collected without consent, but consumer interactions with the advertisement will.

Nuads are more about interactivity. Meaning that the interactive decisions made by the consumers in the advertisement will be recorded they are not about secretly recording consumers.

Nuads basicly result in some sort of polls which allows for realtime market results.
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DragonKnight  +   779d ago
Are you actually mounting a defense?
denawayne  +   779d ago
Funny how you're letting this "negative press" decide for you. Have you ever heard of the term propaganda? Don't be a sheep. Make intelligent decisions for yourself. A lot if these advertisement articles are what if scenarios. Just take a wait and see approach and see how it pans out.
Nodoze  +   779d ago
Denawayne = a true Microsoft sheep

As for Microsoft, I am hopeful that people can finally see that they could care less about gaming and are only interested in REVENUE channels. They are looking to milk the consumer (micro transactions, used games, ads etc). They are a dark spot on gaming that is a cancer. The sooner they exit, the better off we will ALL be!
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Ashlen  +   779d ago
Make intelligent decisions for yourself and buy a PS4.

Personally, I feel the dishonest propaganda is coming from Microsoft.

Sony has basically said the same things from the beginning not changing all the time.

It's Microsoft who says one thing in a big press event where lots of people will hear then quietly corrects the untruths in little press memos or on twitter the next day.
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DragonKnight  +   779d ago
It's not propaganda when the bulk of the negative press is coming right from Microsoft themselves.
ArchangelMike  +   779d ago

The intelligent, informed, gaming consumers have decided for themselves. They have chosen the PS4.

Sheep you say... why are you defending Microsoft again?

denawayne  +   778d ago
Every reply to my comment is from a typical Sony fanboy. Why are you even in this article? Take a look at my comment history. Not one PS4 only article comment. You know why? Because I'm not buying the system. I'm also not a sheep. I bought the original Xbox when the PS2 was the console to buy. My Xbox tag was established on day one of Live. I attended an Xbox 360 launch party in the Mojave Desert. Sheep follow what everybody else does. And once again, everybody is jumping on the Ps4 bandwagon because it's the in thing to do. Seriously, why the F does anybody care what system I buy? Do you all really care that much for me? I'm touched. Because I can give a rats azz about what system you buy. In fact, I can give a rats azz about anybody on this planet except my family and friends. I'm buying an Xbox One, going to enjoy it, and sleep well knowing you care so much about what I spend my money on. Thank you. Move along. Your herd is waiting.
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HmongAmerican  +   779d ago
I think the console release in a time where govt spies on everyone, namely NSA. Even if the device doesn't do what the company PR says, the inform consumers will think it the opposite of what the hardware do. MS will still get away with it and we will have to deal with it.
malokevi  +   779d ago
As long as I can play 64 player 60FPS metro on Nov. 22nd, trusting MS has nothing to do with it.
3-4-5  +   779d ago
I don't think people within Microsoft even trusts other people at Microsoft right now.

They aren't on the same page, otherwise none of this negative stuff would have happened in the first place.

Sony knows what they are doing this gen, or at least it appears that way. Which is why PS4 will be my first Playstation.

I'm going to miss you Xbox controller.
rainslacker  +   779d ago
Come now...MS is wanting to deliver us an "advertising experience". An "Advertising experience" is complimentary to a "Gaming experience", because we gain so much more from our experience from ads than we do from games.

Don't see why people are being so cynical. Don't we all like experiences? I know I do. Often when I'm watching TV and see an ad for some new crappy ripoff crime drama(or Cheetos), i think to myself, "I might watch that(or eat those) if only the experience of the ad was better". Never have I ever thought to myself, "Wow, that's probably going to be a really crappy ripoff crime drama(or I prefer Cheetos Puffs)". It's always the experience I analyze.

You fan boys and your skepticism. Learn to trust MS. Learn to love them. Let them shove their experiences down your throat. You will enjoy it....they promise. If you don't, you can turn it off...because that is the only sensible thing to do when you have a feature that no one cares about or wants...allow them to turn it off...makes sense doesn't it?

Sadly, I now have to put in the obligatory /s because I doubt I layed it on thick enough.

More seriously...why does MS even think we want a better experience with ads? I'm pretty sure most people would prefer not to have more ads plastered all over their 360 life style.
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hankmoody  +   779d ago
Doesn't bother me one bit. Looking forward to getting the Xbox One and a PS4 later down the line.
AxeCain  +   779d ago
Im with you. XB1 first then PS4 6-12 months later.
This NSA/Kinect crap seems be going to far... I don't have anything to hide. Also, the adds could be good for new game/movie releases. I have no issues with this.
DeadManIV  +   779d ago
Why the f**k don't people get it? If you let them have this, we will lose everything. It's a slippery slope man - if you give an inch they will take EVERYTHING.
karl  +   779d ago
As DeadMan said... we cant give into this crap. Once we allow this there is no way back.. we just dodge a bullet with the drm crap.. every other company would have implemented it if not by the huge negative reaction ms got from it. We need to stand against this too.. we are all gamers regardless of platform. This affect us all
boeso  +   779d ago
Believe it or not the NSA spying is not about finding terrorists or criminals its about knowing everything about its people so to pre empt everything. Like playing someone in chess but they know exactly what you're going to do next.
fsfsxii  +   779d ago
Its not about hiding things, its having privacy that no one is allowed to breach
Jury  +   779d ago
Ads could be good? Wow! Ms could give you a box of shit and you'd find some silver lining

You're actually paying for Kinnect which is little more than a spying machine to give your info to companies so you can be target with advertisements... And you like this?
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grassyknoll  +   779d ago
People like you depress me so much, civil liberties are the foundation of any democracy & free society. You really need a history lesson. No one should have a possible surveillance device on their home. Just because you're not doing anything deemed wrong now doesn't mean it isn't going to be in the future.
RyanShutup  +   779d ago
I'm liking what I'm reading here... glad there's still some left in this world with foresight and common sense!

@DeadManIV @karl @boeso @fsfsxii @Jury @grassyknoll Good on you guys! :)
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DragonKnight  +   779d ago
"Give them an inch, they'll take a mile."

"I've got nothing to hide" is exactly the kind of mentality that causes you to do something you didn't know was illegal until you're arrested for it. Like that LoL player who was arrested for joking about bombing a school.
malokevi  +   779d ago
"Why the f**k don't people get it? If you let them have this, we will lose everything. It's a slippery slope man "


Your logical fallacy is: Slippery Slope

"The problem with this reasoning is that it avoids engaging with the issue at hand, and instead shifts attention to extreme hypotheticals. Because no proof is presented to show that such extreme hypotheticals will in fact occur, this fallacy has the form of an appeal to emotion fallacy by leveraging fear. In effect the argument at hand is unfairly tainted by unsubstantiated conjecture."

Ridiculous. That's how you all sound.
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AxeCain  +   779d ago
I suppose that none of you have cell phones or purchase items from the internet? I got something for you. Its called a clue: you are being tracked.... so what!
This is why I am saying this war has been lost.
Keep trying though... You might accomplish something...
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rainslacker  +   779d ago

The problem with your analysis is that there is already evidence that those extreme hypotheticals are extremely real possibilities. PRISM. MS own admittance to wanting to target ads. Those are the things people don't like. Acceptance only breeds the idea that it's alright, and completely ruins the foundations of the principles that people are standing up for.

But go ahead and buy it. Use all those wonderful features. One day when we're all living in some dystopian society, and you're wondering how that all came to pass, we'll point back to you. These kinds of social changes don't happen overnight. They've been brewing for years, and they come about because people ignore or dismiss those railing against the bad things that come to pass.
malokevi  +   778d ago
^^ Case and point. lol.
mcstorm  +   779d ago
I agree im the same. If the government ect want my info have it I don't have anything to hide and its not worth worrying about imo people are making everything worse than it is for anything and everything they can now a days.
DragonKnight  +   779d ago
How do you know you have nothing to hide? What if the government arrests you for something you thought was perfectly legal until they changed the rules without notification? Do you think you're protected from the government doing whatever they want to you? Because you're not.
mcstorm  +   779d ago
@DragonKnight Now you really are clutching at straws here. That could happen anywhere and the government have other ways of finding out what you are up to if they want too get over it it really is not a big deal. If your that worried about things why don't you destroy all your technology plus your phone a better tool to find out what your up to than Kinect.
Hicken  +   779d ago
Why doesn't it?
hankmoody  +   779d ago
You know why it doesn't bother me? Because I'm not doing anything in my life that I have to hide from anyone, much less the big bad gubmint. And frankly, I can't believe that they would find me that interesting that they'd need to check up on me and my family to see what we're up to. There's SO much more to worry about than unfounded paranoid fantasies. And seriously, how many of the people here bitching about their precious privacy have Instagram accounts? Twitter accounts? Facebook accounts? Any kind of social media account? Own a smartphone? At the end of the day, it's too much of a hassle to live off the grid than on it. If you think MS and the government want to spy on you, let me free your mind by letting you know that you're really not that interesting. That goes for me as well.
Hicken  +   779d ago
There's no need to be "off the grid," like you say. And the worries are not unfounded, nor are they paranoid.

Nobody wants their privacy breached just because... well, apparently, you and a few others do. It has nothing to do with you doing something wrong or having something to hide. I don't want Microsoft or anybody else having the ability to watch me while I have guests, or walk around naked, or just enjoy dinner with my family.

It's my home, and I deserve privacy within it. Government be damned; they don't have a right to it, either. The only reason they get away with it is because nobody stands up to them over it. People are too apathetic.

"I'm not doing anything in my life that I have to hide from anyone."

Why does this mentality mean it's okay for people- government or otherwise- to invade your privacy? You'd call the cops if somebody was just peeking in your window, right? But why? You've got nothing to hide, right? So let them stare all they want.

Nodoze  +   779d ago
Hicken, sadly this is a snapshot into the average American mindset these days. People who do not seem to fathom that our civil liberties are being trampled upon.

Instead they opt in, and could seemingly care less because 'they are not doing anything wrong'. Unfortunately when you give up your civil liberties, and place all of the power into the hands of the surveillance state it does not matter. If you are deemed a threat for WHATEVER reason, the threat will be dealt with.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.


Normalcy bias is VERY powerful.
Mega24  +   779d ago
You know that the Kinect is not necessarily needed to be plugged in anymore for people to use the Xbox one, all those complaints we're heard.
This goes to Nodeze too, and to those who say DRM was anti-consumer, when in actuality was anti piracy, a well know issue that this gen of consoles suffer.
DragonKnight  +   779d ago
@Mega24: The DRM wasn't anti-piracy, it was anti-used. Big difference. Pirates would have broken the system and played offline.
vitullo31   779d ago | Trolling | show
True_Samurai  +   779d ago
Meh I'll be too busy shooting guys on bf4, slashing barbarians, or decapitating zombies to even care
RyanShutup  +   779d ago
...and this is kids, is the kind of attitude that will eventually lead to our enslavement, entertainment is the opiate for the masses eh?
Thehyph  +   779d ago
Why don't you stop reading Orwell and start reading Alinsky?
thrust  +   779d ago
Wow^^ was going to say other things but i think your to far gone!

CrossingEden  +   779d ago
Meanwhile, you have a smart phone and webcam.
Thehyph  +   779d ago
I assume my disagrees were about me saying to stop reading Orwell.

I love Orwell, and I believe the entire world would benefit from reading his most important (in my opinion, of course) work: his essay on political prose.

I meant Alinsky over Orwell as a pessimism/optimism thing.

Don't complain about some terrible future if you're not willing to do something about it.
Niv  +   779d ago
I'm sure it's gna see how fat u are and cut your health benefits via NSA and sell u more junk food!
AxeCain  +   779d ago
Campy da Camper  +   779d ago
Yes really. You don't think insurance companies would want to buy data on you? They see you drink tons of soda and order pizza every week via LIVE app and see a snapshot of your chubby butt on the couch then when your SSN gets submitted to group health for insurance from your new job you get high cost coverage or denied.
AxeCain  +   779d ago
If this is coming then so be it... tbh there are too many "fat lazy butts" out there that needs a swift kick in the ass!
Its sad that the people that are healthy are the minority...
hankmoody  +   779d ago
If you want to live your lives pretending that by avoiding the Xbox One, you'll be staying "off the grid", you're delusional. Get rid of your computer, stay off the internet, dump the smartphone if you're that paranoid about being watched. And that's just for starters. Besides, I'd rather take this kind of marketing strategy than get phone calls at all hours of the day by idiots hawking their wares. At the end of the day, it's my choice whether or not to fall for ANY kind of marketing ploys. I'm the one in control of opening my wallet and inputting my card info.
AxeCain  +   779d ago
+Bubble Sir
The war fighting "The Man" was lost long ago.
Jury  +   779d ago
It is with that attitude
RyanShutup  +   779d ago
It's not about "staying off the grid", it's about not bending over and allowing a mega corporation an eye into your living room under the guise of entertainment.

The difference that you're neglecting to realize is that computer and smartphone manufacturers have not ADMITTED they will be doing this... furthermore, computers and cellphones are necessary for many people to make a living... xbox one is not... therefore, I'll pass.
hankmoody  +   779d ago | Well said
Yeah and now I have to spend my last bubble to tell you that MS have CONFIRMED just this week that they will not be sharing data and info with any 3rd parties without the express consent of the consumer. Funny that you and many others on here have more faith in those computer and smartphone makers who AREN'T admitting anything than the ones who are going on public record with what they are doing.
RyanShutup  +   779d ago

I don't have any more faith in those companies (I know they're guilty as well), but they're a necessity for my survival... like i said before Microsoft's newest videogame console, which also happens to be an inferior and more expensive product then their competitors product... is not.

Edit to add: How many people do you think are going to actually read the "Terms of Service" agreement before opting in? .001%...?
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AceBlazer13  +   779d ago
it's not even under a guise. they are flat out telling you they'll be gathering your information yet people still buy into it willingly. you guys best as hope none of your future presidents turn out to be an insane dictating psycho.
brighthand  +   779d ago

...and I just used one of my bubbles to inform you that that "express consent" could come in the form of a terms of service form that you would have to sign before you were even allowed to USE your xbox one.

NEVER allow corporations/governments to implement this mess into your lives, because it will stay and grow, consuming your civil rights and privacy for its nutrition and sustenance.
rainslacker  +   779d ago
If MS has a big bright check box that fully explains what they are doing with the opt-in thing, then yeah, i will give them the benefit of the doubt.

However, I would urge anyone who keeps wanting to say MS is giving the choice to go sign up for hotmail. Go see how apparent it is when they ask you if you want to sign up for something. See how often you get a random message when logging in if you want to use some new feature. See how often you have to agree to use a new TOS. See how often they change, remove, or add "features" and tie everything in to other features.

This is MS we're talking about. Only in gaming do they have such a loyal following of trusting consumers. Outside of gaming, they are one of the most anti-consumer, and devious companies around. To think they have our best intentions at heart, and won't do everything possible to get everyone under whatever scheme will make them the most money is just plain naive.
dethpuck  +   779d ago
Thak you. Do you really think Sony isn't targeting ads to you as we'll? Microsoft and don't are corporations they exist for one reason to make a profit. They do not care about you at all. They both want your money. I have no problem with this as long as their product works
Mega24  +   779d ago
News many people don't know, because News like this is apparently more important.

Microsoft and Google are suing the NSA and Government over PRISM in a Joint Lawsuit.

Kinect does not need to be plugged in, still needed for support to devs.

New machine was created for multiple purposes other than gaming, and it still does gaming.

PS4 will have games other than indies... is not an indie station.
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Nilbog_Juney3  +   779d ago
The big question to ask is even if they are saying it won't do this and that... Who actually reads the complete terms and conditions to make sure it's not in the fine print? By clicking that you give consent to everything listed. That goes for everything with terms and conditions. But with the news on them specifically, I would like to be a little cautious.
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GraveLord  +   779d ago
Pick PS4. Save $100. Get the same great games.

Be smart.

@THRUST below
Titanfall = On PC or on 360. No need for an Xbone.
Forza = Driveclub
Ryse = LOL. Pass.
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thrust  +   779d ago
Titanfall, forza, ryse?

edit: you said get the same great games by picking the ps4!

just pointed out you can not!
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Jury  +   779d ago
He should have written better games
jspillen  +   779d ago
Ryse shouldn't be in the list, it takes away from the other two games that are actually great titles.

It's like you just added Sarah Palin to the Republican party all over again.
True_Samurai  +   779d ago
What about Halo 5, Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Fable Legends, Black Tusk new IP etc.?
Gonna disagree without replying? OK lol
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True_Samurai  +   779d ago
*Deleted Double Post*

@RyanShutup.... Please shut up
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RyanShutup  +   779d ago
Come up with that all by yourself?
Infamous298  +   779d ago
I dont trust microsoft.
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Goku781  +   779d ago
Xbox One is a continuous disaster. The super storm sandy of consoles.
grassyknoll  +   779d ago
People who say they don't care should be very wary & gain a brain cell. They want to sell this information to insurance firms (this is where the information originally came from), you could be paying far higher premiums because of your deemed "lifestyle". Depressingly that's just the start.
jgrigs09  +   779d ago
Lay off the drugs for a bit buddy
grassyknoll  +   779d ago
Microsoft have held seminars on selling biometric data to insurance firms including height/weight to make a BMI & identifying temperature heart / temperature when playing games.

If they're was no value in it, they wouldn't be trying to sell it.
TRD4L1fe  +   779d ago
I honestly think people are taking this "spy cam" a little too far. We're already being watched by many other devices and camaras out there, I just think the kinect gets hated on so much more because people actually know the NSA is using it to get info. not eveyone knows the NSA is using anything with a camara to spy on you.

I know I will recieve disagrees on this, but that's my opinion (nothing more, nothing less) come November we are all going to be too busy to even care who's spying on us.
grassyknoll  +   779d ago
People don't have a camera in their home, which is always operational & linked with an account that contains all their personal details.
TRD4L1fe  +   779d ago
your phone?
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EdoubleD  +   779d ago
Delusional bots everywhere. They're gonna ruin it for us all.

''Herp Derp I am not a terrorist, I got nothing to hide.''

Seriously? This console can burn, it was consistently making mistakes ever since it was announced and you blind dummies can't look past your indifferences between the consoles to know it. Just admit that you're better off with the PS4 or PC.

They will screw you over, mark my words.
jgrigs09  +   779d ago
Wow so many paranoid people.
RiPPn  +   779d ago
Wow so many corporate apologists.
jgrigs09  +   779d ago
Wow so many freak outs.
RiPPn  +   779d ago
Seems to me that Microsoft could make people accept this by offering free Gold if you opt in, and you have to pay the normal Gold sub if you opt out. It could silence this whole mess and get people to willingly opt in. But dat greed will prevent that because Microsoft wants to have it's cake and eat it too.
TRD4L1fe  +   779d ago
Now i want cake, and the NSA can watch me eat it too
pyramidshead  +   779d ago
All I see is more bad PR and news coverage for MS.
MightyNoX  +   779d ago
Anyone who buys an Xbox One contributes to the death of gaming...and I say that as an owner of Xbox the 1st and Xbox 360.

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