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Xbox One kerfuffle kicks up more concerns over ads, privacy

"You guys want to make advertising money with the Kinect but you also want to make console/game selling money [from] us," Pete Dodd, the man who started a social media campaign against digital rights management (DRM) on the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One this summer, wrote on the popular gaming forum NeoGAF Monday. "I don't know how you can do both."

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ArchangelMike992d ago

I'm going to stay as far away from the XbOne and Kinect as I can. Microsoft have all this negative press, that has not stopped since the XbOne was announced. THey make U-turn here, and 180 there, but the negative issues still keep on coming.

I know that if I get an XbOne, I will get burned somehow, someway, I just know it. I'm not going to trust Microsoft with my money.

mewhy32992d ago

Not trusting micro$oft is a smart move. after all the 180s and admission of participating in the prism nsa project, and now openly admitting that the kinect will be collecting data right out of your living room? Yeah. Stay away.

thrust992d ago ImmatureShow
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Ron_Danger992d ago

I think that it's funny that all the MS supporters thought that Kinnect was going to let you use your XBox like the computer in Minority Report. Instead, it's being used to send customized advertisemts to you like the ones in Minority Report.

Say what you will about Sony and Nintendo, but at least all of the news for them lately has been 100% about gaming.

NatureOfLogic992d ago

I can spend $100 less for the superior console, get the best of multiplats and not get spied on. Xbone is a disaster.

SilentNegotiator992d ago (Edited 992d ago )

They will have everything they need in the XBL ToS, no doubt.

Either "deal with" having Kinect data sold to third parties and supporting the most heinous data collection around or don't buy an Xbox One.

thechosenone992d ago

So what do you say people, is this the absolute worst console launch in history?

Saigon992d ago

Normally I go through comments and agree and disagree based on the comments for the article you all provide, but I can't do it this time, because I feel ashamed at what is happening to this system. I want this system to be successful because it is good for gaming but the information being spewed down is a little ridiculous. They can't catch a break. This article points out something very vivid that XBO has been receiving criticism since its been announced, and it hasn't stopped. I am not telling people to stop, its just I am shocked. Every week for the past couple its been bad news, u-turn to get good news and then someone finds the bad in the good news; and this happens every week. I am starting to think, the third console curse is real and if history stays true the 4th console is the turn around and the 5th console is trash once again.

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Mega24992d ago

what computer do you use, does it has windows and a Webcam?

WeaseL992d ago (Edited 992d ago )

You can still buy a PC without a camera

falviousuk992d ago

And the mobile phone will have a camera as well as gps

Nabbic992d ago

I use a custom built computer with no webcam, dual booting Linux Rosa and Linux Mint. Any games I want to use are run through Wine or similar programs.

I made it official last month, I do not want to deal with Windows again, and will probably get rid of it if I go on my laptop.

Mike134nl992d ago (Edited 992d ago )

The big fear of consumers revolve around advertisers collecting information of users which users do not want to share. I do not believe private information can be collected without consent, but consumer interactions with the advertisement will.

Nuads are more about interactivity. Meaning that the interactive decisions made by the consumers in the advertisement will be recorded they are not about secretly recording consumers.

Nuads basicly result in some sort of polls which allows for realtime market results.

DragonKnight992d ago

Are you actually mounting a defense?

denawayne992d ago

Funny how you're letting this "negative press" decide for you. Have you ever heard of the term propaganda? Don't be a sheep. Make intelligent decisions for yourself. A lot if these advertisement articles are what if scenarios. Just take a wait and see approach and see how it pans out.

Nodoze992d ago (Edited 992d ago )

Denawayne = a true Microsoft sheep

As for Microsoft, I am hopeful that people can finally see that they could care less about gaming and are only interested in REVENUE channels. They are looking to milk the consumer (micro transactions, used games, ads etc). They are a dark spot on gaming that is a cancer. The sooner they exit, the better off we will ALL be!

Ashlen992d ago (Edited 992d ago )

Make intelligent decisions for yourself and buy a PS4.

Personally, I feel the dishonest propaganda is coming from Microsoft.

Sony has basically said the same things from the beginning not changing all the time.

It's Microsoft who says one thing in a big press event where lots of people will hear then quietly corrects the untruths in little press memos or on twitter the next day.

DragonKnight992d ago

It's not propaganda when the bulk of the negative press is coming right from Microsoft themselves.

ArchangelMike992d ago

@denawayne

The intelligent, informed, gaming consumers have decided for themselves. They have chosen the PS4.

Sheep you say... why are you defending Microsoft again?

baaaa...

denawayne992d ago (Edited 992d ago )

Every reply to my comment is from a typical Sony fanboy. Why are you even in this article? Take a look at my comment history. Not one PS4 only article comment. You know why? Because I'm not buying the system. I'm also not a sheep. I bought the original Xbox when the PS2 was the console to buy. My Xbox tag was established on day one of Live. I attended an Xbox 360 launch party in the Mojave Desert. Sheep follow what everybody else does. And once again, everybody is jumping on the Ps4 bandwagon because it's the in thing to do. Seriously, why the F does anybody care what system I buy? Do you all really care that much for me? I'm touched. Because I can give a rats azz about what system you buy. In fact, I can give a rats azz about anybody on this planet except my family and friends. I'm buying an Xbox One, going to enjoy it, and sleep well knowing you care so much about what I spend my money on. Thank you. Move along. Your herd is waiting.

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HmongAmerican992d ago

I think the console release in a time where govt spies on everyone, namely NSA. Even if the device doesn't do what the company PR says, the inform consumers will think it the opposite of what the hardware do. MS will still get away with it and we will have to deal with it.

malokevi992d ago

As long as I can play 64 player 60FPS metro on Nov. 22nd, trusting MS has nothing to do with it.

3-4-5992d ago

I don't think people within Microsoft even trusts other people at Microsoft right now.

They aren't on the same page, otherwise none of this negative stuff would have happened in the first place.

Sony knows what they are doing this gen, or at least it appears that way. Which is why PS4 will be my first Playstation.

I'm going to miss you Xbox controller.

rainslacker992d ago (Edited 992d ago )

Come now...MS is wanting to deliver us an "advertising experience". An "Advertising experience" is complimentary to a "Gaming experience", because we gain so much more from our experience from ads than we do from games.

Don't see why people are being so cynical. Don't we all like experiences? I know I do. Often when I'm watching TV and see an ad for some new crappy ripoff crime drama(or Cheetos), i think to myself, "I might watch that(or eat those) if only the experience of the ad was better". Never have I ever thought to myself, "Wow, that's probably going to be a really crappy ripoff crime drama(or I prefer Cheetos Puffs)". It's always the experience I analyze.

You fan boys and your skepticism. Learn to trust MS. Learn to love them. Let them shove their experiences down your throat. You will enjoy it....they promise. If you don't, you can turn it off...because that is the only sensible thing to do when you have a feature that no one cares about or wants...allow them to turn it off...makes sense doesn't it?

Sadly, I now have to put in the obligatory /s because I doubt I layed it on thick enough.

More seriously...why does MS even think we want a better experience with ads? I'm pretty sure most people would prefer not to have more ads plastered all over their 360 life style.

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hankmoody992d ago

Doesn't bother me one bit. Looking forward to getting the Xbox One and a PS4 later down the line.

AxeCain992d ago

Im with you. XB1 first then PS4 6-12 months later.
This NSA/Kinect crap seems be going to far... I don't have anything to hide. Also, the adds could be good for new game/movie releases. I have no issues with this.

DeadManIV992d ago

Why the f**k don't people get it? If you let them have this, we will lose everything. It's a slippery slope man - if you give an inch they will take EVERYTHING.

karl992d ago

As DeadMan said... we cant give into this crap. Once we allow this there is no way back.. we just dodge a bullet with the drm crap.. every other company would have implemented it if not by the huge negative reaction ms got from it. We need to stand against this too.. we are all gamers regardless of platform. This affect us all

boeso992d ago

Believe it or not the NSA spying is not about finding terrorists or criminals its about knowing everything about its people so to pre empt everything. Like playing someone in chess but they know exactly what you're going to do next.

fsfsxii992d ago

Its not about hiding things, its having privacy that no one is allowed to breach

Jury992d ago (Edited 992d ago )

Ads could be good? Wow! Ms could give you a box of shit and you'd find some silver lining

You're actually paying for Kinnect which is little more than a spying machine to give your info to companies so you can be target with advertisements... And you like this?

grassyknoll992d ago

People like you depress me so much, civil liberties are the foundation of any democracy & free society. You really need a history lesson. No one should have a possible surveillance device on their home. Just because you're not doing anything deemed wrong now doesn't mean it isn't going to be in the future.

RyanShutup992d ago (Edited 992d ago )

I'm liking what I'm reading here... glad there's still some left in this world with foresight and common sense!

@DeadManIV @karl @boeso @fsfsxii @Jury @grassyknoll Good on you guys! :)

DragonKnight992d ago

"Give them an inch, they'll take a mile."

"I've got nothing to hide" is exactly the kind of mentality that causes you to do something you didn't know was illegal until you're arrested for it. Like that LoL player who was arrested for joking about bombing a school.

malokevi992d ago (Edited 992d ago )

"Why the f**k don't people get it? If you let them have this, we will lose everything. It's a slippery slope man "

https://yourlogicalfallacyi...

Your logical fallacy is: Slippery Slope

"The problem with this reasoning is that it avoids engaging with the issue at hand, and instead shifts attention to extreme hypotheticals. Because no proof is presented to show that such extreme hypotheticals will in fact occur, this fallacy has the form of an appeal to emotion fallacy by leveraging fear. In effect the argument at hand is unfairly tainted by unsubstantiated conjecture."

Ridiculous. That's how you all sound.

AxeCain992d ago (Edited 992d ago )

I suppose that none of you have cell phones or purchase items from the internet? I got something for you. Its called a clue: you are being tracked.... so what!
This is why I am saying this war has been lost.
Keep trying though... You might accomplish something...

rainslacker992d ago

@Malokevi

The problem with your analysis is that there is already evidence that those extreme hypotheticals are extremely real possibilities. PRISM. MS own admittance to wanting to target ads. Those are the things people don't like. Acceptance only breeds the idea that it's alright, and completely ruins the foundations of the principles that people are standing up for.

But go ahead and buy it. Use all those wonderful features. One day when we're all living in some dystopian society, and you're wondering how that all came to pass, we'll point back to you. These kinds of social changes don't happen overnight. They've been brewing for years, and they come about because people ignore or dismiss those railing against the bad things that come to pass.

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mcstorm992d ago

I agree im the same. If the government ect want my info have it I don't have anything to hide and its not worth worrying about imo people are making everything worse than it is for anything and everything they can now a days.

DragonKnight992d ago

How do you know you have nothing to hide? What if the government arrests you for something you thought was perfectly legal until they changed the rules without notification? Do you think you're protected from the government doing whatever they want to you? Because you're not.

mcstorm992d ago

@DragonKnight Now you really are clutching at straws here. That could happen anywhere and the government have other ways of finding out what you are up to if they want too get over it it really is not a big deal. If your that worried about things why don't you destroy all your technology plus your phone a better tool to find out what your up to than Kinect.

hankmoody992d ago

You know why it doesn't bother me? Because I'm not doing anything in my life that I have to hide from anyone, much less the big bad gubmint. And frankly, I can't believe that they would find me that interesting that they'd need to check up on me and my family to see what we're up to. There's SO much more to worry about than unfounded paranoid fantasies. And seriously, how many of the people here bitching about their precious privacy have Instagram accounts? Twitter accounts? Facebook accounts? Any kind of social media account? Own a smartphone? At the end of the day, it's too much of a hassle to live off the grid than on it. If you think MS and the government want to spy on you, let me free your mind by letting you know that you're really not that interesting. That goes for me as well.

Hicken992d ago

There's no need to be "off the grid," like you say. And the worries are not unfounded, nor are they paranoid.

Nobody wants their privacy breached just because... well, apparently, you and a few others do. It has nothing to do with you doing something wrong or having something to hide. I don't want Microsoft or anybody else having the ability to watch me while I have guests, or walk around naked, or just enjoy dinner with my family.

It's my home, and I deserve privacy within it. Government be damned; they don't have a right to it, either. The only reason they get away with it is because nobody stands up to them over it. People are too apathetic.

"I'm not doing anything in my life that I have to hide from anyone."

Why does this mentality mean it's okay for people- government or otherwise- to invade your privacy? You'd call the cops if somebody was just peeking in your window, right? But why? You've got nothing to hide, right? So let them stare all they want.

Right?

Nodoze992d ago

Hicken, sadly this is a snapshot into the average American mindset these days. People who do not seem to fathom that our civil liberties are being trampled upon.

Instead they opt in, and could seemingly care less because 'they are not doing anything wrong'. Unfortunately when you give up your civil liberties, and place all of the power into the hands of the surveillance state it does not matter. If you are deemed a threat for WHATEVER reason, the threat will be dealt with.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

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Normalcy bias is VERY powerful.

Mega24992d ago

You know that the Kinect is not necessarily needed to be plugged in anymore for people to use the Xbox one, all those complaints we're heard.
This goes to Nodeze too, and to those who say DRM was anti-consumer, when in actuality was anti piracy, a well know issue that this gen of consoles suffer.

DragonKnight992d ago

@Mega24: The DRM wasn't anti-piracy, it was anti-used. Big difference. Pirates would have broken the system and played offline.

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True_Samurai992d ago

Meh I'll be too busy shooting guys on bf4, slashing barbarians, or decapitating zombies to even care

RyanShutup992d ago

...and this is kids, is the kind of attitude that will eventually lead to our enslavement, entertainment is the opiate for the masses eh?

Thehyph992d ago

Why don't you stop reading Orwell and start reading Alinsky?

thrust992d ago

Wow^^ was going to say other things but i think your to far gone!

WOW!

CrossingEden992d ago

Meanwhile, you have a smart phone and webcam.

Thehyph992d ago

I assume my disagrees were about me saying to stop reading Orwell.

I love Orwell, and I believe the entire world would benefit from reading his most important (in my opinion, of course) work: his essay on political prose.

I meant Alinsky over Orwell as a pessimism/optimism thing.

Don't complain about some terrible future if you're not willing to do something about it.

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Niv992d ago

I'm sure it's gna see how fat u are and cut your health benefits via NSA and sell u more junk food!

Campy da Camper992d ago

Yes really. You don't think insurance companies would want to buy data on you? They see you drink tons of soda and order pizza every week via LIVE app and see a snapshot of your chubby butt on the couch then when your SSN gets submitted to group health for insurance from your new job you get high cost coverage or denied.

AxeCain992d ago

If this is coming then so be it... tbh there are too many "fat lazy butts" out there that needs a swift kick in the ass!
Its sad that the people that are healthy are the minority...