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Submitted by doctorstrange 438d ago | news

Sony Responds to Mixed Beyond: Two Souls Reviews, PS4 Version Questions, Lack of Day 1 Digital

"While our very own Dan O. may have enjoyed Beyond: Two Souls, many reviewers out there did not." - PSLS (Beyond: Two Souls, PS3, PS4)

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jc48573  +   438d ago | Well said
If you really want to play it, just pick up the retail copy. Not like it takes that much space at home. You even loose some calories just heading to your nearby store.
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xHeavYx  +   438d ago
I think this quote summarize the game "difficulty in attributing a score to the game because it’s such a unique and different experience"
This is not your everyday shooter, that's not Quantic Dream's style
LOGICWINS  +   438d ago | Well said
Well that goes without saying. I'm pretty sure the folks at IGN, Gamespot,and Destructoid knew that this wasn't going to be a shooter considering that they did multiple previews on the game.

Saying or implying that some people didn't like this game because it wasn't a shooter is silly to be honest.

The common comeback I see with people who defend Quantic Dream games is something along the lines of

"Of course, they don't like it. They're to busy being Infatuated with COD"

As if everyone who disliked Heavy Rain and Beyond are automatically pegged as COD players lol.
LOGICWINS  +   438d ago
too*
xHeavYx  +   438d ago | Well said
@Logic
I think you need to change your name to "LackofLogic"
Two sites you mention who reviewed the game complaint about the type of game Beyond is (by the way, I don't know why you include Gamespot, they gave the game a 9, Logic would suggest you would use examples from sites who didn't like the game). From IGN "I never before have I felt like such a passive participant in a video game"
From Destructoid "A childish play at being a meaningful journey, a vapid illusion of passion and poignancy. Nothing but a pantomime"

@Below, if you had read my comment, you would see how I noted that the reviewers complaint about the way you play Beyond, therefore, they were expecting it to play differently
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LOGICWINS  +   438d ago | Well said
You just proved my argument.

Why are you stating that Beyond is not "your everyday shooter" when no one who reviewed it expected it to be?

QD fans are constantly on defense mode. If negative criticism towards Heavy Rain and Beyond arises, the counter argument is always the same.

"Go back and play COD kid!"

Why make the assumption that detractors of QD games are these gun crazed FPS lovers? Thats a total exaggeration.
jmc8888  +   438d ago
I won't get into how or why people scored this game. Clearly there is much division as there is a huge range for this game from 40 to 100.

But I clearly remember some previews claiming it was going to be a shooter and that the game was more of a FPS.

It really shocked me as up until that point I felt it was going to be different but awfully similar to Heavy Rain.

I don't know where those previews are as I had no reason to think of saving them later for evidence, but they should still be out there somewhere.

It is possible some reviewers thought it was going to be one type of game and it turned out to be another. This indeed might affect the score for those people.

Overall though we get 40-100 which means it looks like it's a love it or hate it game.

Reading some of the reviews I also see that people say the ultimate outcome doesn't change with your choices.

If that's true, then it means it's more like Mass Effect style choices. Choices that DID have a pretty major impact...just not on the ending.

So I'm really not sure what to believe. I feel the game will be sort of like Heavy Rain, sort of not. There's shooting and driving. There's possession and other ghostly stuff. There's choices to be made that will make an impact in certain ways, but won't effect the overall ending.

So I can definitely see why some people expecting one thing or another might affect their score, but no I don't 'blame' that for drastically impacting the game and review score. The range is huge and even if you average the scores, it's still a quality 74.
Sly-Lupin  +   438d ago
If it's as similar to Heavy Rain as it looks and sounds, I think the real problem is that it's NOT a game, but is (inappropriately) judged as one. Which is just as silly as reviewing a game as though it were a movie--something we've seen quite often in recent months and years.

These games are more akin to (and, in fact, are) visual novels, and that is the only context they should be reviewed in.
Bundi  +   438d ago
Heavy Rain seemed to fare just fine with reviewers, garnaring an average meta score of 87, despite being a QD game and a non shooter.
So why is this shooter business being thrown around now? Could it have something to do with the fact that this particular game isn't being as well received as you had hoped and now you have to fabricate an outlandish notion that non shooters aren't well reviewed by the media?
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Bimkoblerutso  +   438d ago
@LOGICWINS

It's true. You can go to any given comment section of a site that didn't score the game an eight or up, and all you see is: "IT'S NOT SOME GENERIC SHOOTER...XBOTS!"

I enjoyed Heavy Rain and Fahrenheit quite a bit, but I fully understand the beef that people have with QD's games.

It's not that they don't want a game that straddles the line between game and movie. It's that QD has NEVER had strong enough writers (or singular writer, as it were) to successfully straddle that line. And to be honest, that's what 99% of the more negative reviews seem to be stressing.
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sckipt  +   438d ago
I agree,

This game is for people who want a different experience instead of the original hack in slash or shooter so if you like new then this is what you want.
Insomnia_84  +   438d ago
I enjoyed the demo and can't wait to play the whole story!
Gaming101  +   438d ago
People really need to stop complaining about a game based on the fact that it was different than their expectations. This is the most childish criticism you can make, that a game doesn't quite fit the genre that you pigeon holed the game into. You should've known this game would be different than anything you've played before, especially considering Heavy Rain was different than most that came before it. I mean grow up, you should be happy when something surpasses your expectations and does something you aren't necessarily familiar or comfortable with.
smashman98  +   438d ago
Did u read the ign review because I did and she said nothing of this gmar not being like cod. She said the game is tooo chaotic and messy in trying to be everything, the story nonsensical and incoherent at times, and that it felt like there werent any consequences. Soo I'm gonna agree with my boy logic on this one

However I will add that I really feel this is one of those games where the score won't matter and it'll come down to the player individual experience with it as always a love it or hate it game
maniacmayhem  +   438d ago
Maybe the game just isn't that good despite whether it's some kind of different gaming experience.

Being different doesn't automatically make it good or deserving of a better score.
The_Con-Sept  +   438d ago
For me I rely on digital day one releases from now on. I don't want a disc anymore. Seriously you save 5 bux on taxes and you save an extra X ammount on gas to get there. Plus half the time you get the opened "new" version of the game... And for me.... I just enjoy downloading games from now on with my 2TB drive.
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SniperControl  +   438d ago
@The_Con-Sept

From my general experience, digital games on either PSN or XBL are more expensive than hard copy retail discs.
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Commander_TK  +   438d ago
This is like Only God Forgives this year. Art-house masterpiece, not for the average movie goer. I loved Heavy Rain, so I'm pretty sure I'll love this when I play it.
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ritsuka666  +   438d ago
LOGICWINS@

Well said bro. If this game is truly the pinnacle of videogame narrative, then I fear our standards are horrifically low for video games in the future. =/
schubacca  +   438d ago
People like what they like.

I like my videogames to be interactive. Apparently some do not. That is cool. But I remember all of those Sega CD games getting roasted because they lacked interactivity....
Sony360  +   437d ago
Really, you got a 3/1 agree/disagree ratio for THAT?

This just proves what kind of fanboys inhabit N4G.

Anything to dismiss the reality of it not being as good as we thought it would be, right? Suddenly when a game doesn't do well with review scores, it's because it's "not like other games"?

Seriously?

Guess what, there have been plenty of "not like other games" released before, and none of you would bat an eyelid if the game didn't get a good review score. But suddenly an anticipated Ps3 exclusive doesn't get stellar reviews, and it's because "people don't know how to review it"?

If you want to play it, play it. If you don't, then don't. I was never interested in this game, it looked like it had the Heavy Rain kinda hype that would leave me underwhelmed because it's basically an interactive film.

I'm much more of an Uncharted man myself, and I don't make stupid excuses for a game just because of some pointless allegience I have to a brand.
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Revolver_X_  +   437d ago
Its funny. All the commenters above with negativity, did you read any of the positive reviews? Not only are the reviews polarizing, but whats said in the reviews are. The negative reviews said the story isnt good for various reasons, and the positive reviews said the story is well written and intriguing. The only consistent complaint on both sides is that combat is confusing. I can buy that complaint.

All in all I believe the nit picking of the story to be biased. Im 6 hours in and I find the story to be very coherent and constantly interesting. The story is told on a timeline and is not in chronological order. As you progress, the way things stack up is pretty clever and well thought out. Its like the negative reviewers didnt get it(low IQ if this is the case) or they didnt get past 40% of the game.

Finally, if you're worried about the story, the negative reviews are false. I think the story is light years ahead of Heavy Rain. The combat is confusing sometimes, but Heavy Rain vets will get it quicker then new comers. I could care less for reviews, for above reasons I do question the validity of them. If you are interested in getting it, do it. Its a great game.
buckley  +   437d ago
Jim Sterling liked Heavy Rain and not Beyond: Two Souls, so your argument is moot at least in the case of Destructoid.

It's not "difficult to attribute a score" to a game that's "unique and different," especially when it's not so unique and different having so much in common with Indigo Prophecy and Heavy Rain (not to mention countless adventure games) despite being lauded by the developer as being a huge step forward in interactivity compared to them. It's inarguable that they didn't deliver on that promise.

Unless, of course, by "unique and different" you just mean "not a shooter." And that's an unfortunate statement.

Being "unique" and "good" are mutually exclusive. It may be polarizing, but not "difficult to score."
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nypifisel  +   437d ago
I think just finding them interesting due to being something different qualifies them to be better games then cod...
Syntax-Error  +   437d ago
F*ck what they say LOGICWINS. You are spot on!
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dboyc310  +   438d ago
I do miss the times where the action prompts would have me playing twister with my fingers like in heavy rain. Playing it so far and it's not a bad game. Yea its nothing groundbreaking aside from the presentation but overall it doesn't deserve anything less than a 8.
buckley  +   437d ago
Whoa, "not bad but nothing groundbreaking" means an 8 now? That's quite forgiving.
showtimefolks  +   438d ago
i am about 7 hours in and for my taste its been excellent experience, some tears have been shed already

i can't see how some reviewers have hated on the game, at the very least this is a 8-8.5/10

can't wait to finish the game
Campy da Camper  +   438d ago
Yup me too. It really picked up after the 3rd hour. I just beat the part in the desert and holy crap what an emotional ride. There were parts I was fricking scared, too. Like almost had to turn on lights scared.
Jazz4108  +   438d ago
I find it pretty crazy that sony has to respond every little thing out there anymore
trouble_bubble  +   438d ago
I find it pretty crazy that people still don't read the article. It ain't Sony responding to "every little thing out there", it's two individuals. With two very different jobs descriptions. Who were answering questions on Twitter and a Blog. This isn't some press release. It's social media.
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Kingthrash360  +   438d ago
read the article....smh.
Jaces  +   438d ago
I don't know what all the fuss is about. I played the demo and loved every minute of it. I've always been a fan of QD and Cage and am happy to say I'll be picking this up as soon as I can.

There's something about being an entity that no one can harm and can do as you please or not depending on the situation. A nice twist on gameplay and perspective imo.
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Kingthrash360  +   438d ago
the reason some "reviewers" find it hard to review is because the dont know how to review.
most "reviewers" today just reculect on past games to compare a game to and call it a review... using terms like "metriodvania" or "monsterhunter" dont apply to a game like this and actually requires you to play it.

and thats what the fuss is about, they have to work.
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Gardenia  +   438d ago
Polygon – 8
CVG – 6
Eurogamer – 6
God is a Geek – 9
Destructiod – 5
Edge – 5
Gamechump -7.5
OPM – 8
Joystiq – 2.5/5
VentureBeat – 88/100
Gameranx – 3
GameFront – 55/100
New York Times – No Score
GamingBolt – 8
Electronic Theatre – 84/100
VideoGamer – 4
Next-Gen Gaming Blog – 9
Shacknews – 5
Neoseeker – 9
The Verge – No Score
ShopTo – No score
IGN – 6
Kotaku – Yes
Digital Spy – 5/5
Gamersyde – No Score
PSU- 9.5
Gamespot -9
Toronto Sun – 80/100
Game Informer – 7.75
Metro – 4
Meristation – 8.3
Gamer.no – 7
Canadian Online Gamers – 75/100
PlayStation Lifestyle – 8.5
Inside Games – 90/100
pete007  +   437d ago
i believed that atleast EDGE was more than credible since they bashed strongly MSFT and XBO a few monts ago. where did all the credibility go?
ipach  +   437d ago
rev3 actually gave it a 5/5. so much variance. might be the most varied mix of scores for a game ever. look at that range!
Ol_G  +   437d ago
@ pete007
so Edge is only credible when they bash Microsoft and praise Sony ?
Well at least you admit you're a fanboy
kratos_TheGoat  +   438d ago
god of war ascension got bash not by the story but online play. some site hating on david cage and some site love his work. some sites like big companies overrated games like tlou and gta 5. perfect score should not have no patch, bugs, and online that is broken. big games sites companies want david to make a great goty cod ripoff and not create something new and fresh
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WarThunder  +   438d ago | Well said
Exactly.

These site give repetitive uninspired games like COD a 9 or a 10 and new fresh games with fresh ideas get 6 and 7...

People should stop listening to those jurnalist reviews... They are pointless.

They gave Folklore a 6 and 7 and for me Folklore was one of the best games i played on the PS3 and this tells a lot.
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Bundi  +   438d ago
Credible when they award TLoU, LBP and Journey high scores, not credible when they give Beyond mixed reviews? Got it.
Dissidia  +   438d ago
Love seeing that people actually appreciated Folklore.

Shame that game didn't sell better, we might have had a sequel by now.
MRMagoo123  +   438d ago
@bundi

The only thing you pretty much do in any comment is pretend that everyone speaks for everyone and that everyone is a hypocrite, as far as i can tell you dont have a single intelligent thought running through your tiny little mind.

OT everyone has different tastes, which might explain different reviews, i loved heavy rain some ppl probably thought it was a waste of time, but then i also think that some reviewers are just lazy and dont really play the games for any good length of time to form a proper opinion, I also think some reviewers shouldnt have their job in the first place like the ones that give COD a 9 or 10 every year.
RealtorMDandDC  +   437d ago
@WarThunder I sooooo agree with you. Folklore was one of the best games many did not play or even know it existed.

Loved Folklore, it oozed charm and style. While injecting a entertaining story. Bubbles for you my sir......you are a GAMER...
Sony360  +   437d ago
And suddenly reviews don't matter again. Haha, this community...
Ol_G  +   437d ago
Loved Folklore still have it bought all the dlc
AlphaCentyros  +   438d ago
I see what you mean, but how can you call TLOU an overrated game? It was excellent and I never regretted buying a PS3 just for this one exclusive. And it's not like every new IP that's fresh and new and not a COD rip-off necessarily gets bad reviews from the majority of critics. Naught Dog just proved that with TLOU ;)

I too was really looking forward to Beyond, so it's sad to see the mixed reviews for this promising project. However I think that people fail to see that this not just a game, but an entire experience on its own.
kratos_TheGoat  +   438d ago
no game is perfect skyrim got a 10 with all bugs do you think it deserve a 10? me nope god of war ascension got rip by big site companies for online only while the story was amazing smh but gta 5 get a free pass for a broken online
DARK WITNESS  +   438d ago
i would not exactly say gta5 is getting a free pass.

it's been made very clear by most sites that the high score it got at launch were for GTA5 itself and GTA Online would get reviewed separately because it was launching later.

many sites have now given their reviews on gta online and have given it lower scores then gta5 because of the technical issues. IGN went as far as to say don't even bother playing it till it's fixed... that is not exactly a free pass.

gta5 got great scores for the right reasons concerning it's story and single player gameplay. it has also had lower scores for the right reasons concerning it's online mode so far.
Tontus  +   438d ago
TLoU is an amazing game but it is a bit overrated. It has amazing presentation, pacing, storytelling etc but the gameplay & story could've been better.

I expected mixed reviews for Beyond Two Souls, was never impressed by it. Still, might buy it once it hits the bargain bin, which will probably be within 2 months.
Bundi  +   438d ago
Heavy Rain was awarded great scores by these same sites. Care to explain? Or s HS a CoD ripoff?
kane_1371  +   437d ago
Bundi I am going to fall for your troll posts and answer you:
first of all, each website has atleast 6 reviewers (the smallest ones) and each reviewer has its own taste and understanding of a game, now it even happens that there are multiple reviews of one game on one website because of this exact notion.
Then there is also the fact that same people didn't review both games, so you could easily point out this as a reason for the different reception and at the end I would like to point out you idiocy by saying this:
MIXED REVIEWS, do you know what that means?
That means MIXED, both good and bad.
There are a whole bunch of websites and newspapers that gave this game high scores.

Actually you should look at the smaller websites, they are the ones with better reviews, since websites like Gamespot, IGN, Destructoid etc are normally very careful with their reviews to not give low scores because of the ads and what not (please do read the above scentence again, I did include Gamespot, the one that gave the game a "9" ) while the smaller websites or newspapers do not have to be careful of what might come if they write a review with lower scores.

Now, what you might fail to understand is that this game has as many positive reviews as it has negative ones and that does not make it a game that is not "well reviewed", it just makes it a different game.
Different being, it is not everybody's cop of tea.

Now if you can understand this and have a shred of self respect in your body you will just disappear from this article.
Th4Freak  +   438d ago
"perfect score should not have no patch, bugs"

"should not have no patch, bugs"

"no patch, bugs"

You made me laugh and puke at the same time.
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Gamer666  +   438d ago
I'm not going to try and defend reviewers because a large portion of them are a bunch of dumb a$$ idiots...

But, at the same time I do not like the excuse of reviewing compared to traditional games.

Really, a review should be a level of satisfaction after playing the full game and attaching a score to that satisfaction. The review should not compare it to other games because games (to me) are works of art and should only be compared to themselves.

I would not compare God of War to Ninja Gaiden for example... Although they both involve hack n slash action, God of War and Ninja Gaiden are very different experiences.
buckley  +   437d ago
Any reviewer that does their job properly DOES consider their review a conclusion based on the game on its own merits, not by comparing it to other games. That, however, does not mean that games don't often pull clear influence from other games, and that it never should be compared to anything else. It would be ridiculous to expect every game to be 100% different from every other game.

In the case of the game at hand, there are plenty of well-written reviews out there that are written by people who did not find their experience with Beyond: Two Souls so profound or entertaining, or even that unique.

Where I disagree with many posters here are when they start labeling reviews "wrong," especially when they complain that reviews are subjective. ALL reviews are subjective. Objectivity is impossible in a critical analysis of a piece of art. "Objective opinion" is an oxymoron.
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Popoffboy187718  +   438d ago
People don't trust these reviews. Im playing this game right now and there's no way this game should get less then a nine. I seen nine and tens for games that wasn't that good. I love last of us. Gta5 is my fav, but this is just as good as both. They gave bio shock infinite a 10, mgrising good reviews, and trust me beyond two souls is better than both.dont miss out on this GEM!!!
kratos_TheGoat  +   438d ago
everybody has a opinion but big game site companies are dull like gta 5 get a free pass for a broken online while god of war ascension does not both story is outstanding
YodaCracker  +   438d ago
The majority of GTA V's reviews were published before the online went live.
LoveOfTheGame  +   437d ago
GOW: Ascension sucked, get over it. Anyone who was a fan of the original trilogy should be disappointed in SSM for the game itself and then how they handled criticism, i.e. trophy name change and nerfing part of the game deemed too hard.

Well, I guess sucked was a bit exaggerated. Fun game and fun multiplayer but just overall disappointing.
Drekken  +   438d ago
I'm 5 hours in and the game is awesome. I knew what kind of game I s getting into and I'm enjoying it. The 4 and 5 scores are just stupid.
BallsEye  +   438d ago
Please do trust reviews! This is not even a game. It's a freaking interactive movie with awful controls. I'm suprised it even got that high score on metacritic but hey...I guess most of the user reviews are made by kids that didn't even play it. Good reviews are just hillarious. Let's take alook

score 10:

"Best graphics, great game, history,. Simply the best. GOTY best graphics. Quantic Dream, congratulations for this work of art"

"In a word: Awesome
Graphics, animation, story, gameplay, musics... Everything is awesome.
I found my game of the year without doubt."

Anyone who says "AWESOME GAMEPLAY" loses credibility. This movie got no gameplay. Best if you just watch the thing on youtube, it's basicly the same. NOTHING that you do make any impact on the movie itself, choices don't matter at all and when you fail movie keeps on going. It's a big waste of 60 bucks...i still love quantic dream, they're pro...but this is just an awful "game"
Ol_G  +   437d ago
Calling an interactive movie a game is wrong it can be good but still not a good game
OldGirl  +   438d ago
A shame really, like all the mixed review for Killzone Mercenary, when there isn't a portable shooter half as good as it is.

I don't see why this game can't be getting the Last of Us scores. I am enjoying it just as much as I did that and it is just as polished.

I just hope like he said that people actually play the game and judge it for themselves instead of automatically writing it off because of some reviewers who clearly can only handle casual game play and somehow think their lack of ability to play a more difficult game should constitute a lower score.
McScroggz  +   438d ago
I agree about Killzone: Mercenary. Handheld game review are kind of weird. There have been DS and 3DS games that people praise the visuals when compared even to just PSP and Vita games respectively they look pretty bad. Then we get what is possibly the first really well made FPS for a handheld and it's almost as if a lot of reviewers compared it to console FPSes.

It's just weird how handheld games seem to have such a moving target when it comes to quality. (For clarity sake I am by no means saying 3DS games get overrated and PS Vita games are underrated. It was just the first example I thought of :D).
-Foxtrot  +   438d ago
" that people actually play the game and judge it for themselves instead of automatically writing it off because of some reviewers who clearly can only handle casual game play and somehow think their lack of ability to play a more difficult game should constitute a lower score. "

I know right...Lucy O'Brien did the IGN review. A big release like this one and they don't have anyone in their main team do the review. They chose an editor from AU IGN. Doesn't add up in my opinion, what can Colin, Gregg and others be so busy with, it's not like there is much coming out this month in the same gap
buckley  +   437d ago
"A more difficult game..."

It's nearly impossible to fail in Beyond: Two Souls, so I'm not sure what you're getting at there.
DeadManIV  +   438d ago
I guess people can't really rely on reviews without some consistency. So you're just going to have to give it a shot yourself.
corywebb93  +   438d ago
I really wanted to play this game, but then i went to metacritic and saw the score is 74.

Im sorry but i don't play bad games.
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kenshiro100  +   438d ago
So you let scores dictate what you play? Yeah, you were never going to buy this game.
corywebb93  +   438d ago
Yes i do.

I don't waste my money on bad games.
Relientk77  +   438d ago
@ Corywebb93

"Im sorry but i don't play bad games."
"I don't waste my money on bad games."

dude, your icon is Haze
Consoldtobots  +   438d ago
a haze icon automatically outs him as a MS fanboy.
BallsEye  +   438d ago
Are you saying beyond is a good game? It's far from being good. If it would be released on anything else than sony console it would be getting bitchslapped 24/7. It's just a mediacore movie with some interaction added to it.
strickers  +   438d ago
You need to work on your maths.....and English.
SeanScythe  +   438d ago
Says the person with an avatar of one of the worst PS3 games to be made. You pick games based on the opinion of others, hmm the PS4 is going to be crap you shouldn't buy one.

I hope that keeps idiots like you away from buying ones so someone more deserving can get it.
Ol_G  +   437d ago
So now fanboys start to decide who can and who can't buy ?
Wow this is really a new low in gaming community
kenshiro100  +   438d ago
You don't have a PS3 and you weren't planning on buying it. You're not fooling anyone here. Stop trolling.
mutantgorillaface  +   438d ago
"Im sorry but i don't play bad games."

You just use them as your avatar?
jmc8888  +   438d ago
74 isn't a bad score.

50 is average.

A bad game is like 0-30.

If you don't play bad games and you think 74 is a bad game, that means you're also missing out on a lot of great games.

But maybe you are trolling....you have HAZE as an avatar which...

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

...had a metacritic rating of 55. Hell the highest review of 65 reviews was only a 79. The lowest, a 25.

So even if you don't play 'bad' games, you definitely must like a game that was considered one of the biggest disappointments of the generation. Because HAZE had a ton of early hype.
dboyman  +   438d ago
Most game reviews are more opinion that actual objective reviews. I say if don't buy it, least rent it and make up your own mind..
GoldenRimz  +   438d ago
I'm playing Beyond right now and I can tell you that it's so different and polarizing you might like or dislike it depending on the type of gamer you are. This game is far from typical, and scores are more based on individual preference due to an inability to put it in a box and compare it to a lot of other games out there. If you like story and don't mind passive participation, you may enjoy it. If you expect to dominate every aspect of the action then you might be disappointed. You make things happen in this game but it's not as direct as you might believe.
JamieL  +   437d ago
This is a very balanced comment. Thanks for not stating you opinion as absolute fact. I think this comment, for the most part, could be said about any game, some people will like it some won't. It's ok to say COD sucks in every article by the same people upset someone doesn't like the game they like. It's ok for them to have an opinion but if other's, in this case many others, don't share the same opinion it's a conspiracy, reviews don't count, they don't know how to review it, the media is picking on Sony again, or any other equally ridiculous excuse. Why has society as a whole become SO entitled? I wish we all, myself included, would stop wasting time bickering over these stupid issue’s, and focus on the real important crap going on around us. I mean if we can’t even accept that others can like a console we don’t, I don’t see anything getting better, ever. While we’re on here fighting about who likes what toy better, the government is on the verge of stopping social security from being issued, and I don’t know about you but I’m going to be pissed when they are taking SS out of my paycheck, and the seniors who need it won’t get it because it will be going to pay the very people causing this crap. I know this isn’t on topic at all, but damn there are so many more important thing going on in the world, and here we are fighting about video games, or worried about our sports team, or arguing about what political party can fix this mess when they both work for the same behind-the-scenes people. We all need to wake up before we all wake up in chains, rant over.
buckley  +   437d ago
You know that anything north of 70 is considered "great" by most critics, right?
MAULxx  +   438d ago
My impression of this game is that the story isn't interesting & it looks to have some feminist undertones.
I could be wrong but from what I've seen, that's the impression it leaves. Not a good impression for me personally.
Why would I buy a story game with a story I don't care for plus a feminist slant? I think not.
beebap  +   438d ago
What part of trailer/ demo gives off feminist slant??
FunAndGun  +   438d ago
It has a powerful female lead that doesn't wear slutty clothes or have jiggly breasts...so that equals feminist to him.

truth.
Campy da Camper  +   438d ago
I'm 5 hours in and I have no idea what your talking about. This game tells a facinating story with characters that are totally memorable. Its gripping and intense and has you rooting for the protagonist. I have yet to see one "feminist" part.

This beats heavy rain by a mile. People just need to play it to see.
Volkama  +   438d ago
I've not read the reviews and don't intend to. I will buy this game because I liked Heavy Rain and I want to see what Quantic Dream have gone on to do next.
matrixman92  +   438d ago
one of the best games of the year for me....tied for first TLoU/Bioshock, then Beyond
arbitor365  +   438d ago
ive started playing the game and already I can tell these negative reviewers are full of complete shit
Consoldtobots  +   438d ago
the lockstep is too obvious and pretty disgusting how these cretons try to shape the industry for their paymasters.
davidrobots  +   437d ago
To quote Mike Wazowski: "It's "cretin". If you're going to threaten me, do it properly."
davidrobots  +   437d ago
Or, you know, it's their opinion? Which they're perfectly capable of having?
izumo_lee  +   438d ago
David Cage takes risks & goes 'Beyond' the aspect of a traditional game. People may question what he says a lot of the times, they may question his definition of a 'game', they may outright hate the man & everything he stands for.

Regardless of what people may think of David Cage there is a reason Sony has given him & Quantic Dream all the support they have given. They both share the same vision, that vision is giving players different & unique experiences.

Just like in the film industry & music industry there are controversial visionaries that will rub the rest of the industry in the wrong way....that doesn't make them any different from another. They see their respective industry with a different eye. Nothing wrong with having that.
Goku781  +   438d ago
I think this and Heavy Rain is not for everyone. I came home to read reviews first. And it is pretty mixed. I had a powerful experience with Heavy Rain, so I will give it a try. If its not good believe me, I will speak on it.
tiffac008  +   438d ago
Didn't we expect mix reviews from the start? This is a Quantic Dream game after all and it would be really hard to emulate the success of Heavy Rain again because that game just came out at the right time and was a breath of fresh air for that particular moment.
Bundi  +   438d ago
Why is it that every single PlayStation exclusive that doesn't receive acclaim is met with cries of bias and unreliable reviewing?

Why can't you people accept the fact that not everybody is Going to love your precious exclusive? Maybe if you stopped hyping every single game published by Sony to the high heavens, you wouldn't have to do damage control when the game turns out to be average.

See KZ Mercenaries, GoW:A and the likes for more examples. Good games that were hyped beyond their abilities to meet.
jmc8888  +   438d ago
Who has to do damage control?

It's got reviews from 40-100.

Who says it's average? 50 is average. 74 is not.

Who has to defend anything from a 74 score? That score is in no reason to get defensive.

Again there is reason to think that a few reviewers might have been thrown for a loop since there were previews stating how FPS like Beyond was.

If you were about to do a review of Grand Theft Auto V, but instead GTA V turned out to be The Last of Us, wouldn't you think it might affect the score for those people?

Maybe a few people scored the game 5-10-15 points lower...who knows. All I know is, despite this, the scores are still good.

As I stated, the fact it is getting many good reviews and many mediocre reviews means its a game that most people seem to think is mediocre to great, depending on what people like.

The scores indicate this game was not overhyped. It got good scores and lots of people love it.
Bundi  +   438d ago
You need only read the comments in the reviews and right here to see the defending and damage controlling.
Are you blind?

You have people claiming that only people with h taste will love the game. Then you have those suggesting that the low scores come from CoD lovers or David Cage/ PlayStation haters.

The over hype came before the scores when people on this very site were calling it the next goty and predicting perfect scores across the board.

But seriously, have you read the comments in this very "thread"? The defending and damage control is palpable. Heck you are one of them too.
Just how many previews claimed it was an FPS? Are you suggesting that all these negative reviews come from people who thought it would be a shooter? Are you even listening to yourself??

Also, if you are going to bring up metacritic, you should know that they classify any game under 75 as average, which supports my statement of it being average since it is a 74 as you so rightly pointed out.
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insomnium2  +   438d ago
Ah here is Bundi just where I thought you would be. You are so predictable.

What do I have to say about the score? Nothing. I don't care. I will try the demo and if that's good I will buy this when I get around to it thanks!
tiffac008  +   438d ago
Same can be said about people who tend to focus only on the mediocre reviews and ignore the positive ones because the game is not on their preferred console.
360GamerFG  +   437d ago
That happens with every big game that was hyped. Question though is why PS fans display this behaviour more than Xbox, PC, or Nintendo fans.

A PS game isn't ever just average or bad, there has to be some bias or lack of understanding or lack of hardcoreness. Twisted Metal, PASBR, Sly Cooper, Starhawk...always some outcry of wrongful review. Why?
tiffac008  +   437d ago
Oh please, you guys just spend too much time in negative PS threads that you feel overwhelmed when PS fans reacts to your posts and then paints the community in another light afterwards. Just stop the spin already this blatant bias line of questioning is much worse than any outcry against an opinion.
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ABeastNamedTariq  +   438d ago
Why are you here? Like... Really? Lol.

OT: It's all opinions, so I don't really care. I'm buying it regardless.
NateCole  +   438d ago
Why do you care about PS fans complaining?
360GamerFG  +   437d ago
Because it is fascinating and curious. Why do you do it indeed?
360GamerFG  +   437d ago
Amen brother.
ninjahunter  +   438d ago
Different strokes for different folks.
Yodagamer  +   438d ago
I still want it i didn't like heavy rain all that much, but i played the demo of this and i'll be honest i was amazed by it. Out of what i played i can't see why it got worse reviews.
Nik_P757  +   438d ago
So far I think the game is fantastic. If you don't like it that's cool too. Not everyone likes all the same things, not a big deal.
Dirtnapstor  +   438d ago
Played the demo and liked it, however I would be leery paying full price for an interactive movie. I like the premise and the potential story idea, etc. just hoping there is more to it than directional prompts. I never played Heavy Rain (liked the demo though).
Anyone played the full game yet? Please let me know!
Campy da Camper  +   438d ago
Except its not. I've been chased by BIG ASS demons, strangled people, flew all over the damn place. This game is absolutely awesome.
chobit_A5HL3Y  +   438d ago
not everyone can appreciate games like this. if you're expecting a straight forward shooting game, then yeah, of course you'll be disappointed~ the whole point of these is to change how people think of games.
NightStalker33  +   438d ago
It's a 10-12 hour movie that I can decide the actions in.

I'm sorry, but this isn't a game at all. It's a freaking EXPERIENCE. I haven't felt so much emotion in my 6 hour play-through since The Last Of Us, Heavy Rain, and the ending to MGS4.
If anyone has the slightest of doubts, at least rent the game. I can promise you that you won't regret it.
Campy da Camper  +   438d ago
Ha! I picked it up after work at 5. It is now 11 and I just turned it off because I have to go to bed. The last 6 hours have flown by. What an awesome experience. Just finished navahoe. Holy crap I was scared.
IWentBrokeForGaming  +   438d ago
Sadly feel this game is coming out way to freaking close to the next gen consoles releasing for most people to get excited for it! I absolutely loved heavy rain but this is $60 bucks that I now need to put towards my PS4 now!
Nerdmaster  +   438d ago
The lack of a digital version is a big letdown. Every game should be Day 1 Digital. If Nintendo can do it, why can't Sony?
MrBuffalo  +   438d ago
Much respect to quantic dream for trying to do something different from the present norm. But if the writing in this is anything of the standard in Heavy Rain then its pretty terrible. Hire better writers and perhaps the game will shine through. The plot holes in Heavy Rain were too big for anyone of average intelligence to ignore. The game play on offer isn't a big enough payoff... This going off of my opinion of Heavy Rain. May try this when it is eventually discounted because Heavy Rain wasn't all that bad but at least it seemed to recieve better reviews than this. Oh well.
Underworld  +   438d ago
These types of games divide people. Some love them, some hate them. I love them. Heavy Rain is excellent and one of my favourite games. What really bugs me is having reviewers or gamers going and getting this game knowing what type of style it is and then complaining about that and giving it low scores, in part because of the style. If you didn't like Heavy Rain and that style then don't get this. It's like someone who doesn't like FPS getting one and then complaining about it.

And why does everyone expect a game to get at least a 9 or they're not happy and claim the game is crap? A 4 is a bad game. A 7.5 - 8.5 is a good to great game well worth playing. Movies don't have such a high standard.
ALLWRONG  +   438d ago
So what the game isn't as good as people expected here. Get over it, move on. I see plenty of high profile games getting average reviews yet no one cries about those.

Why is it that Nintendo fans, Xbox, and PC fans never complain about review scores?
Hicken  +   437d ago
Nobody complained about the low Halo reviews?
ALLWRONG  +   437d ago
no
Mr_cheese  +   437d ago
@Allwrong
You are quickly becoming N4G's number one troll. Your comment history is terrible and mostly pure biased views with sprinkled trolling
ALLWRONG  +   437d ago
Coming from the person who does nothing but stalk my every move http://n4g.com/user/comment...
Mr_cheese  +   436d ago
I can't help it if you spout completely terrible comments across the pages I read. Stop doing it and I will stop pointing it out.

In the words of you.... "Try again"
Hicken  +   437d ago
You'd be wrong about that.

.. guess I'm not surprised, since you pretty much always are.
ALLWRONG  +   437d ago
Found nothing huh?
Hicken  +   437d ago
http://n4g.com/news/1112438...
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http://n4g.com/news/1112409...
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Pretty much every comment by an MS fan.

http://n4g.com/news/1112891...
http://n4g.com/news/1114582...
http://n4g.com/news/1114676...
http://n4g.com/news/1116603...
http://n4g.com/news/1119264...
http://n4g.com/news/1121359...
http://n4g.com/news/1127440...

MS fans EVERYWHERE complaining about the scores. And I'm not even arguing whether or not the complaints are legit. Only that the complaints EXIST.

Which is in DIRECT CONTRADICTION to your claim.

Can't believe you don't remember, since you had multiple comments in the articles. How's that work?
AceBlazer13  +   438d ago
played the demo and it was great. the game is more like an interactive visual novel, you either hate it or love it.
RobAlmighty  +   438d ago
Just going to say, I am really enjoying the game so far. I didn't look at any reviews or anything at all. I am having a good time and the story is pulling me in very well. Just stop reading so much into everything and judge the game yourself.
Half-Mafia  +   438d ago
If this game got 4/10 across the board. I'm still getting it, because I like interested/different games compared to FPS after FPS.
SaulGoodman  +   438d ago
Good or bad, all i know is that Ellen Page needs to sit on my face.
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Blacklash93  +   438d ago
Heavy Rain was pretty much "Your Milage May Vary" incarnated. How much you enjoyed it depends on if you like strictly directed, cinematic QTE games with a strange multi-character narrative and a value on choice. Then there was also the several inconsistencies, and how those affect your exerience depends on your ability to recognize and/or overlook them. And the voice acting and facial mo-capping were pretty iffy overall.

Beyond: Two Souls probably addresses almost if not all the bad voice acting and mo-cap issues. It's definitely keeping the multi-narrative concept with the unsequenced timeline, and that's definitely going to be YMMV for whether the story is interesting and exciting or just unfocused for it. And as always, the gameplay is scripted scenes and the significant hollywood action is going to be controversial.

Pretty much everything else is left up in the air, as I see it not having played it. It can't be worse than Indigo Prophecy, which was just so terrible I don't even have words for it.

My big problem with Cage's writing is that a lot of it feels shoehorned. He comes up with a bunch of cool scenarios, but how they fit together is inelegant to a cohesive narrative. Some of the action scenes and pretty much all of his sex scenes feel like they're there just for the sake of it. And Indigo and Heavy Rain were very blotted with inconsistencies and plot holes, Indigo not even making any sense it was so bad. He plays with interesting things and creates cool action scenes as I saw in Heavy Rain, but there needs to be more restraint and attention to detail for his games to make the grade in my book.
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