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Submitted by Rashid Sayed 856d ago | news

Major Nelson On Xbox One: RROD Issues, Warranty And 4K Gaming

"Remember the deadly red ring of death on the Xbox 360? Given that it literally killed off a ton of Xbox 360's during its early years there may be doubts about Xbox One's reliability. This obviously raises the question about what kind of warranty can players expect if the Xbox One gets struck by a similar issue." (Xbox One)

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BeathuberCH   856d ago | Spam
EPiCDiNGO  +   856d ago
I do not think the system with RRoD it has a system to auto turn off when it gets too hot.
MasterCornholio  +   856d ago | Well said
But if the system heats up after a half an hour of gameplay and turns itself off that i would consider an issue.

Hardware issues are bound to happen with both systems at launch.
sync90  +   856d ago
PS4 will have no issues. I dont know why you would think it would.
loulou  +   856d ago
gamingbolts one-a-day hit leech for n4g..

it is truely amazing just how easy it is to get clicks from n4g.

i would love to know the exact hit numbers per week, gamingbolt manages to garner from it's click-bait wrote-for-n4g, three paragraph blogs?

come on Rashid, give us the figures???
SignifiedSix91  +   856d ago | Well said

Odd, because the PS1, 2 and 3 had problems at launch too. Every console does. You're just a blind troll.
DeadIIIRed  +   856d ago

To be completely honest the PS3 launch was fairly successful hardware wise. On the software end though, lets just say I waited 5 months before I even bought a game for the thing.
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1OddWorld  +   856d ago

You cant compare a 1% failure rate to a 33% failure rate can you? It's not really the same thing. Check the at launch failure rates of both systems. No console has ever seen a failure rate like the 360 had. And people have the right to be skeptical about the XBOne, Although I don't think they will ever make a mistake like that again.

I don't know if Sync90 is a Troll but to ignore these numbers you must be blind.
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n4rc  +   856d ago
@odd world

Way to exaggerate... It was more like 18% vs 9%
mewhy32  +   856d ago
Micro$oft learned a costly lesson with the RROD. I don't see them making the same mistake again.
1OddWorld  +   856d ago
From Wikipedia about the 360 Failure rate at launch.

The article also revealed that representatives of the three largest Xbox 360 resellers in the world (EB Games, Gamestop and Best Buy) claimed that the failure rate of the Xbox 360 was between 30% and 33%.

From Wikipedia about the PS4 Launch failure rate

Sony claimed that, according to its statistics of returned consoles approximately only 0.5% of consoles were reported as showing the YLOD.[99] In response to the program Sony issued a document criticizing the program's accuracy and conclusions; specifically that the faults were evidence of a manufacturing defect.

Microsoft has not released its official statistics on the failure rate of the various versions of the console. Which would lead most to believe that in fact the third party information to be pretty accurate. Sony on the other hand spoke about theirs very openly saying .5% by their numbers.

I know Wikipedia isn't fact but its reliable info to a degree.
thehitman  +   856d ago
Every piece of technology/hardware has a failure rate. No matter what you buy thats why their are warranties incase you are the unlucky person to get a prone piece of hardware. To have a failure rate under 3% is a really good rate if your manufacturing millions of the product a year. Sony had like a 1% failure rate MS had like a 33-50% failure rate. I dont even know a single person who still has their xbox from the first 1-2 years it was being manufactured. The failure was so high that legally they shouldve done a factory recall like they do with cars when they make a bad bunch (Toyota brakes for example).

Having a failure rate where you gotta set aside an additional 1-2 billion dollars to compensate is unacceptable on epic proportions and no console has come close to having those problems besides MS. So ya @ Signified every console has its problems but no console had RRoD 33% and higher problems.
Deadpoolio  +   856d ago
Except for the FACT that less than 10% is an acceptable number for launch hardware failure....Micro$haft on the other hand had a stunningly embarassing 55% failure rate for the 360 for the first 4 years of it's life....And then when they supposedly fixed it, the E74 error hits, lets also not forget the disc scratching from not having rubber stoppers on the disc drive also.....

And the ADMIT they knowingly released a defective console and that 99% of the first 4 years worth of 360 would eventually RROD, NOT IF but when...So anyone with an I.Q. above a 5 year old or higher than an Xbot are supposed to run out and purchase their new hardware, that they want you to leave on 24/7. No thank you
ArmrdChaos  +   856d ago
Too bad they can't restrict posting on this site based on would give it the courtesy flush it most desperately needs.
Dasteru  +   856d ago

It isn't exaggerated, it is statistical fact.

The PS3s failure rate was below 1%, the 360s was 33% up until the jasper chipset in sept 08 which brought it down to about 14%. The slims finally brought it down to around 4-5% which is where it is currently.
user5575708  +   855d ago
Major Nelson --"we had some problems at launch. once we identified it we took control of it"

so much nonsense...the launch consoles were probably the worst statistically however they had problems for 5 years until they redesigned the console. They made the 360 with the cheapest parts possible and even the well made ones were still subject to RROD because most people don't properly take care of their consoles, leaving it in an area with poor ventilation.

I remember when consoles were made to last but the new business model seems to be build them cheap and let them die so we can get a second purchase out of consumers. Makes sense when they had the detachable hard drive and a core model for sale $100 cheaper than the pro model.
awi5951  +   855d ago

Tell that to the people that bought the ps1 and ps 2 at launch there was major issues and im glad i waited to get the ps 2 after my first ps1 disk lense stopped working. My friend stood in line for hours for a bad ps 2 with disk read errors and the disk tray went bad as well. I remember having to turn my ps1 upside down to make it play a game lol. And when i finally bought one for GT3 it had disk read errors as well. I had like 5 ps2 consoles die on me and walmart annouced it would no longer take them back nation wide.

It also started the practice of matching your serial number with your purchase order because people were returning bad PS2 consoles and swapping out the good one for a refund. The ps1 disk broke when you tried to remove them from the case or if anyone sat on the case the disk would shatter like glass inside.

Also sony always charged like 80 dollars to fix the ps 1 it cost 130 to fix your ps2 and when bad firmware update killed my ps3 sony tried to charge me 213 dollars because my year warranty was up then i cursed them like crazy because their crappy software was what bricked it. So they finally decided to send me a new one because i wasnt the only one's console that got killed that day.
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Rivitur  +   856d ago
It shouldn't RRoD have you seen the fan on it that thing it could be the central cooling system for an entire house.

(I don't know much about this but why don't they try liquid cooling?)
1OddWorld  +   856d ago
Liquid cooling is amazing, but think of it as sitting a glass of water on top of your console. Its only a matter of time.
OldGirl  +   856d ago
PS3 has had the same size fan and design and even those fail sometimes. Just saying.

Water cooling would be expensive, not so much to put in but to manufacture water cooling systems on a large scale, having a machine basically connect it would be impractical. The manufacturing costs would be through the roof and therefor causing the system to be even more expensive.
awi5951  +   855d ago

Water cooling is cheap i got one on my pc for 60 dollars.


Ive had water cooling in my pc for 5 years and its never ever leaked.
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n4rc  +   856d ago
Rrod was due to the type of solder used... It was an isolated incidence that will never be repeated
hellzsupernova  +   856d ago
Isolated? Are you kidding!?
Over 30 percent failure rate is not isolated
Anon1974  +   856d ago
Just out of curiosity, if solder was the only problem here, why did it take years and a complete redesign to fix it? It doesn't take years to switch out your brand of solder and MS was aware of the problem even as the first 360's first started rolling out.

Remember when someone from EA stated that half the 360's they were sent had died within the first year, and then it was quickly hushed up and denied by both MS and EA? Personally I went through 4 360's (although one of those units they sent to replace a RROD gouged the hell out of my disks before I figured out what was going on and had MS replace it again. I suppose disk gouging units were "solder" problems too?)

Obviously it was a combination of factors with no immediate solution otherwise the company wouldn't have had to take a very public 1 billion dollar hit (and god knows what it's cost since the public write down). That's billion, with a "B". That's a lot of solder.
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n4rc  +   856d ago

Its so heavily documented I'm not even going to bother...

Solder failed.. That was rrod.. Its common knowledge.. Your disk being scratched has nothing to do with it..
Anon1974  +   856d ago
"Your disk being scratched has nothing to do with it.."

Actually, it's "disks" because my 360 happily gouged concentric circles in 4 titles before one of them stopped working and I realized what was going on. And that's my point. Disk scratching was another issue the 360 suffered which obviously had nothing to do with the solder. There were more problems then just the type of solder they used.

Thankfully I had an extended warranty from Microsoft because "disk scratching" units aren't covered under their 3 year warranty (and Microsoft claimed the issue was with users, just as they denied any rrod problems for almost 2 years), which they tried to pull on me even though they had just shipped me that unit to replace a RROD unit two weeks prior. That was my 3rd 360. The 4th unit they sent me worked fine for years after, although by that time I was a bit leery about spending much on building a library of 360 games when the unit they sent me was older than the one it replaced.

"Electronics industry newspaper EE Times reported that the problems may have started in the graphics chip. Microsoft designed the chip in-house to cut out the traditional ASIC vendor with the goal of saving money."

"German computer magazine c't blamed the problem on the use of the wrong type of lead-free solder."

"Some articles also suggest that the hardware condition may also be caused by using the new Xbox Kinect with the old Xenon generation Xbox."

"Almost at the same time the Xbox 360 was released in late 2005, customers began reporting circumferential scratches found on discs used in their Xbox 360 consoles."

"Others have complained about not being able to view certain movies/DVDs on their HDTV using the HDMI cable. This is likely caused by the HDTV being non-HDCP compliant."

"An E74 error is indicated when the lower-right quadrant of the ring indicator flashes red and displays an error message in multiple languages: "System Error. Contact Xbox Customer Support", with the code E74 at the bottom. The error is caused by the Xbox 360's hardware scaler chip being damaged."

I know you're a huge Microsoft booster, n4rc, but can we dispense with the nonsense that the 360 was only victim of "bad solder"? I can attest to the fact that the disk scratching units exist. The 2 consoles I had before didn't scratch a single disk. The console I had after didn't mark a single disk. That one faulty console chewed up several of my games, and it wasn't because of "user error" as Microsoft made it out to be. If it hadn't been a problem they were aware of, why would they swap out the unit under warranty?
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1OddWorld  +   856d ago

Now I think you are just trolling us all making statements that are just completely inaccurate.

"It was an isolated incident" Sorry had to correct your grammar.

Far from isolated. And I love how you except it being a solder problem but in the same Wikipedia skip over the fact that the failure rate is between 30 and 33 percent.

Troll lose a bubble.
Deadpoolio   856d ago | Offensive
grimmweisse  +   856d ago
"isolated incidence", now that is what I call delusional. It was as widespread like an Australian bush fire.
BBBirdistheWord  +   855d ago
@ darkride66

The 360 had a highly visible and deliberately placed warning sticker that cautioned users not to move the console while a disc was in the tray.

So I presume you were too excited when you got your xbox360 to read the manual and heed the warning sticker that was placed in front of you regarding the need to NOT move the console with a disc in tray.

Fair enough. We all make mistakes, sometimes even twice.

However, the 360 is now over 8 years old and you are still asking for MS to guarantee your own inability to pay heed to a warning sticker?

Did I get that right?
Think about that.

Btw, you may not know this, but various home appliances also feature similar warning labels.
As you have now displayed some very public ignorance with regard to warning labels, I have posted some similar warning labels which you may find useful for your future wellbeing.


I consider helping you as my good deed for the day :)
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MizTv  +   855d ago
No just.....NO
Irishguy95  +   855d ago
Lol, do you guys even know what the RRoD is? It's when the Cpu or Gpu becomes detached from the motherboard because of solder failing, to fix it, you need to replace the screw or solder it beck down, it's very easy to do although I doubt most people will ever try it.

I can't believe people are disagreeing with this, simply look up a tutorial on how to fix RRoD. It's quite sad when such a vast number of supposedly gaming enthusiasts website doesn't even know what RRod is. Also n4rc, it wasn't due to the type of solder, it was due to the cooling not being adequet enough. The reason Jasper fixed it so much was because the system chips dropped in nm. Think it went to 45nm at the time or something. Which helps significantly with heat management and power usage.

Other than that, X1 clearly has a massive cooling unit and this won't happen again. Half of the box is a bloody fan with loads of room for airflow. Plus it's using Laptop parts for a reason(like the ps4). Low heat.

Xbox 360 had many other problems though, i've never had the RRod myself, but i've had Disk drive failures and E74 a few times. Never paid for a replacement once.

Also guys, he clearly means isolated in that this 'incident itself' will never be repeated on a console. OVERHEATING. The RRod itself was widespread.
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kayoss  +   855d ago
@N4RC and @BBBirdistheWord @Irishguy95
Let me ask you a question, why did the soldering failed? there are two logical answers to this and both of them applies to the xbox360.
1. It was a cheap brand of solder they used to hold the CPU/GPU to the board.
2. The xbox was running way too hot. due to poor design and poor ventilation.
the combination of the two caused the RROD. I leave my computer on 24/7 why does it not RROD of me? because it was a better design and better solder.

You talk about reading the manual before using your product but who in hell carries their xbox360 while playing a game to have the game disks scratched? Have anyone ever played a console game and at the same time think to themself, "Hey know what would be cool if I strap this console to my back while playing and move it around." It does not make logical sense. You may not have common sense but the rest of the world does.
Microsoft failed on an epic scale when they launched the 360. How can you argue with this when microsoft themself admitted to the failure? The scratched disk was well known issues by many people and many people were affected by it not just one.
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Irishguy95  +   855d ago
1: Your computer has better ventilation than the 360, the 360 was powerful for it's time, and was in a small box. The 360 was simply poorly designed at the time to manage the heat. Most computers will handle standard heat with no problems at all, it's only when you start overclocking heat can become a problem, where you would require more ventilation. Same goes for upgrading/

2: ALL solder will fail if its subjected to too much heat.

3: Exposing solder to excessive heat is NOT the problem(unless it is truly excessive causing it to melt, like a fire..however again that is not the case here). The problem is too Hot > cool > too hot > cool continuously, turning on and off again and again. The Solder will get bigger and smaller again and again until it eventually gives out. This is a standard problem in engineering, it can even **** up bridges in hot countries. Called thermal expansion/ leaving an overheating console on is better than turning it off. Ever here of the 'towel trick'? in which you cause the 360 to overheat so much than the solder does get hot enough to actually warp back into place?

The fact is MS used standard soldering in the 360. Standard as in..poor and cheap. If they want to pay extra they can...but no one does so why should they? They used the standard in the electronics industry. So did Sony. So do Nintendo. They don't need to have the extra strong solder, they need good cooling is all. Which the 360 failed with.

Essentially Kayoss, if you have sufficient cooling, you r PC is not going to overheat. YOur PC has the same Solder than was used in the 360 UNLESS you have gotten high end parts that have extra protection from excessive heat.
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Anon1974  +   855d ago
@BBBirdistheWord. My 360 never moved, was never touched, was on a stable entertainment system 15 feet away from where it was being played. 3 systems worked just fine without scratching disks. One gouged the hell outta my games during regular play, which Microsoft replaced.
The console was never bumped, prodded, vibrated, moved while on or even touched other than to press the button to eject a game. 3 360's worked fine, one didn't.

These are the same issues thousands of others reported. Burying your head in the sand and pretending there wasn't a problem doesn't make it so.
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awi5951  +   854d ago

Because it's the stupid regulations on lead in solder it was banned in Europe thats how solder has always been made it took time to find a decent replacement. They passed that stupid law right before the xbox was due to launch so they had to scramble to find a way to keep the chips in place they even put poly resin over them and it still didnt work.
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Anon1974  +   854d ago
I'm not arguing that solder wasn't in part to blame for the issues, my point is it wasn't the only issue the 360 faced. As others pointed out, this solder is used in many other devices that don't have issues. It only became an issue because the 360 wasn't properly able to deal with it's heat output. Faulty dvd drives that didn't properly hold games in place, faulty scaler chips, issues with HDMI output, Kinect compatibility issues on older models, these are all issues separate from the solder issue that n4rc tried to pass off as the only, isolated issue the 360 ever suffered from. It's ridiculous considering the amount of evidence out there to the contrary, but he's a Microsoft booster so of course he's downplaying the problem. I'm surprised with his 3 bubbles he didn't try to shift the conversation to the PS2 laser issues to avoid having to address the real problem with the 360.
awi5951  +   853d ago

Well they had more time the xbox didnt the 360 was about to go into production when that law passed the other companies had more time the xbox would had to have delayed its launch. The fact of the matter is if the xbox had the proper solder it would have been fine but they had to change its make up at the last minute and they got it wrong.
BBBirdistheWord  +   852d ago
@ darkride66

Ok... so I have heard no reports of 360s scratching discs in the circumstances you described.

You also mentioned that this was an issue that "thousands of others reported"

I have never heard of a single user (apart from you darkide66) report this issue of scratching discs in the circumstances you describe.

Even if there are reports as you suggest, how on earth would MS ever prove that it was user error if in fact it was? When 70 million consoles are sold, it stands to reason that a number of people will tell lies just to get a replacement console. That's just statistics 101.

Morever, if this was a real issue, there would be links on the net showing this issue reproduced and confirmed in verifiable and controlled trials by reputable websites.

Perhaps you are telling the truth. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one, although your anti 360 post history does indicate otherwise.

As it stands, your appeal to other user's identical reports is dubious, apparently unfounded and likely difficult to prove.
Just because you report that thousands of others' did in fact have the exact same problem does not make it so. You have to do much better.

Perhaps you should pull your head out of the sand?
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Anon1974  +   851d ago
@ BBBirdistheWord. Just google it. There was more than one class action suit filed against Microsoft and the 360 specifically regarding the disk scratching issue. I know at one point researchers hired by the lawyers found there was a particular hardware revision were Microsoft had removed or altered the means by which DVD's were held in place. Microsoft eventually fixed this on subsequent hardware revisions.

As for the rest of your post, who are you kidding? 70 million was a number only recently hit, and if someone wanted a replacement console they could have gone through MS's warranty. You honestly believe that there's people our there spending thousands on lawyers to start class action lawsuits to replace a $200-$300 console? You can't honestly believe that?

As for "buh-buh-there's no reports of disk scratching!"

Yeah, I'll just leave this here for you.

Was that really so hard to Google? Wow. So according to Gamespot (a reputable games site, I believe was one of the criteria) according to the lawsuit there were over 55,000 complaints regarding disk scratching. Why..why yes! That would be considered in the thousands! Now some of the damage could have come from people moving their 360's while in use, but even a cursory glance of MS's 360 forums shows people who suffered from the same disk scratching problems that I experienced, when the console was undisturbed.

If you'd like, I could Google that for you as well.
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Modi1984  +   856d ago
i havd 5 x360 .. 4 broke 3 with RRoD
now i hate anything with M$ sign >:(
awi5951  +   854d ago
Well i had lots of ps1's break on me and lots of ps2's break on me and i still bought a ps3 on launch. The first xbox never broke on me so i give Microsoft a pass on 360 they never charged me to fix it like sony did for the crappy launch ps1 and ps2 models.

Xbox has only had one console with crappy hardware sony has had 2 and my Ps 3 did die on me from a bad firmware update sony put out and they tried to charge me 213 to fix it. Whoever at sony thought it was a good idea to overwrite your whole firmware each time you upgrade should be fired what a dumb design . Any one that has a pc and does firmware updates knows that its a chance that the software will brick your hardware so a complete system firmware wipe and reinstall each time you update is totally stupid. I got a motherboard right now thats totally dead from a bad bios flash and its too much trouble to flash it back i just got a different one because that board didnt have a rescue feature just like the PS3 didnt.
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Trekster_Gamer  +   856d ago
The 360s has had this capability for years.
The Xbox One will handle this even better! Get your troll facts straight.
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UnholyLight  +   856d ago
Steering the conversation in a different direction:

BOOM, 4k support for games as well as media? Knew it. I just knew it didn't make sense to not support it. 4k is going to be much more affordable in ~2years give or take. And all these people said it just wouldn't happen.

Amazing news.
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Dude Dutch  +   856d ago | Funny
Booom is probably the sound it will make while trying to boot a 4k game.
Animal Mutha 76  +   855d ago
Seriously I wouldn't worry people.

The X1s at EGX were on all day running battlefield and Forza etc. you could actually touch the console. A gentle breeze of warm (not hot) air comes out of the top of the case. The fan must 80-100mm and it pulls air in through the sides and back and through the heatsink and then out of the top of the case.

The thermal design on this machine is very conservative as MS don't want a repeat of last gen. Also this has allowed the upclocks all within the design envelope.

110+ Xbox Ones running at least 8 hours a day for 4 days and I saw no failures. This thing has been well tested.
Also from what I could tell the machine was silent even when running games at full pelt.

Only thing we didn't get to establish was the noise of the Blu Ray drive as no discs were in use.
TAURUS-555  +   855d ago
R I P xbox1
BallsEye  +   856d ago
Probably some arcade 4k games like limbo, rayman etc etc.On a side note, Rayman Legends is one of most beautiful games I've played recently! Simply stunning!
lastofgen  +   856d ago
Rayman origins and legends are just two amazing games. Now, if they do make another one for consoles, here's to hoping there's an online co-op mode.
malokevi  +   856d ago
"4k is up to developers" is such a BS response.

What we actually want to know is if 4K will ever be possible for graphically advanced and large-scope AAA titles. "Up to developers" might as well mean "for indie devs/lower fidelity games".

As much as I'm looking forward to the console, it would be nice to get a straight and honest answer on this one.
Pandamobile  +   856d ago
I figured that would be pretty obvious. You're not going to see a game with Battlefield 4 or Watch Dogs graphics running at 4K on consoles. It's just not possible on the Xbox One and PS4.

However, if a developer chooses to run in 4K, at least they have that option.
JokesOnYou  +   856d ago
malokevi uhm for once I have to agree with the others above of course he's giving a PR answer in regards to 4k because anybody who knows the basic specs of both consoles hardware knows we arent going to see any AAA budget games running at 4k. 4k "capability" is just a bullet point for advertising. YES its possible for some very simplistic games but of course they arent going to say that. Have you heard of "marketing"....jeesh are people so critical of any other company that offers some "soft" selling points they have available even though they no its not going to be a big factor? I really dont understsnd your confusion here...I mean some advertising is plausible so it will be very revelant for the products intended use and some of it is just for "selling" your product; micro is not unlike every other company that does this. I would think those of us very familar with details of both systems could easily decipher whats plausible/legit in reference to his 4k comments.
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Gamer1982  +   856d ago
Exactly look at PC for your answers even the top single graphics card options cant run 4K right now the GTX TITAN ran BF3 a last gen game now at 30FPS average and that card single handedly blows both consoles out the water. You need at least dual cards on PC for 4K.
Underworld  +   856d ago
Then he should just be honest and say that. You watch, we're going to have so many people going around thinking that it supports 4k gaming for all games.
ramiuk1  +   856d ago
the issue you have with that is your are wanting

honest and straight forward answer,yet in same sentence u have MICROSOFT.
aint never gonna happen dude.

love my 360 but i lost my trust this last 12 months,like alot of others and nobody can blame us
SniperControl  +   856d ago

Dude, i am not trolling here, but if Two GTX Titans(9tflops combined) in SLI running at 30fps struggle at 4k, what do you think the X1(1.31tflops) will run like at 4k.

Maybe if you wanna play paddle tennis maybe.

Major, once again has no clue what so ever, PR mouth piece.
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FrigidDARKNESS  +   856d ago
The new AMD r290x can do native 4k games at a 699.00 price. Major Nelson has said the x1 will play 4k blu-ray movies day one
The x1 gpu is custom based off next gen AMD Volcanic Island GPU.
EXVirtual  +   856d ago
There is no Volcanic Island GPU. The XBO would turn into a volcano if it tried 4K especially later on into the gen. Both the PS4 and XBO just aren't capable of it.
And on your last bubble, did you seriously just say that the XBO will do NATIVE 4k gaming? *Facepalm* Stop reading misterx's BS blog.
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Kayant  +   856d ago

Wooow you are back to this BS again. SMH. Even after an XB1 system architect has come out and said both systems are using sea island series a.k.a OEM rebrands of the HD7* series. Yh agreed SniperControl we are not going to see 4K titles on either system for AAA titles just maybe some small games on XB1 might do it in future as Sony has said it's 1080p only for games.

Everything on misterx blog is fanboy BS stop reading into it.
SniperControl  +   856d ago


Man, where can i book you, my kids birthday party needs a clown.
Omegasyde  +   856d ago
Remember Major Nelson said DRM can't be turned off with a "switch".

MS should replace this guy and Phil Spencer. They have no idea what they are saying.
pyramidshead  +   856d ago | Funny
Looks like frigiddarkness(frigy) has a new dream fresh from Misterx again. All the dGPUs weren't enough so now the new rumour is VGPUs. What happens when he runs out of letters in the alphabet? :/
XB1_PS4  +   856d ago
@omega the always online drm wasn't turned off as easily as everyone may think. You have to think about the advertising they had to change, the changes in software for the ui, the fact that I can no longer share all my games online. The drm was the absolute most negative thing that ms was doing before the 180s. They changed it because we said we didn't want it, and It probably cost them tons of money.
BlackTar187  +   856d ago
MisterX blog what a place for sad sad sad people to go for serious talks.

That is or it should be the #1 laughing stock on the internet to video game places like N4g and eoGaf.

MisterX is so bad its hard to believe a real person would do what he does for that blog.
sAVAge_bEaST  +   856d ago

S T O P reading Mister XboxMedia. -you have no cred , when you quote his ramblings.
DigitalRaptor  +   856d ago
@ Frigid

I don't know what's more sad.

The fact that you actually give credibility to MisterXMedia, or the fact that you keep on changing your arguments about specs, when each one is flat proven wrong.
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DragonKnight  +   855d ago
Major Nelson said MGS5 was an X1 exclusive too, then he had to retract that statement because he's an idiot.
EPiCDiNGO  +   856d ago
If battlefield 4 a launch title cannot run 1080p I highly doubt we will see any 4K AAA games. Maybe some arcade type games in 4k.
Jeedai Infidel  +   856d ago
Compare games from this year on PS3/X360 to the launch games, there is always a learning curve of at least a few years. We will get to a point, as is always the case, where launch games for the PS4/X1 will eventually look ugly and outdated. And Battlefield 4 isn't even finished yet, give it a few more weeks and we may be surprised.
hazardman  +   856d ago
How is it a BS response? If the tech is there it up to the developers to use it. So yeah its up to the developer.
johndoe11211  +   856d ago
You're right, it's not a bullshit response, but it is vague as SH!T!!! Saying that the system can do 4k is like saying a 2002 xp pc with two gigs of ddr2, a 2.0ghz pentum processor and a 8600gt can run battlefield 4. Hey, it just might, but the question is , how well?

There is no way in hell that the xbox one or ps4 can do 4k on the games people will want to see it the most, AAA titles.
cell989  +   856d ago
thats the thing about the xbone team, you aint getting a clear answer anytime soon, cause that would mean downplaying their own statements, 4k gaming if youre going to run a ps1 game and upscale it to 4k yeah sure, but Major Larry fails to explain that. Misleading information as always
Magicite  +   856d ago
They are struggling to make Full HD AAA games.
jamsam360  +   856d ago
Remember when the xbox 360 only did 720P then microsoft told us and unlocked the chip they put in that let it upscale to 1080P! Do you not think they have something stashed away in the xbxo one that could become unlocked later and used. They did say they plan on this being around for longer than 10 years possibly! They have something in the system. because if this was all they had then in ten years the one would look so dated! There has got to be more to this than what people think!
malokevi  +   856d ago
As much as I'd like to believe that, it doesn't make any sense.

"put your best foot forward" comes to mind. Why take all this flack if its undeserved? If they have a trump card, the opportunity to play it is drying up fast.
AceBlazer13  +   856d ago
ppl tend to forget that this is a business not a drama show. they're not gonna wait till last minute to pull a miracle out their ass.
BlackTar187  +   856d ago
MS has yet to fully support a system for 10yrs. I doubt they change that with this system.
xXxSeTTriPxXx  +   856d ago
Only ppl who should care about 4k gaming is hardcore pc enthusiast.

Look how long it took for us console gamers to get games in native 1080p?
And if you can afford a 4k tv you'd more then likely be a hardcore pc enthusiast in the first place.

I'm good with 1080p @ 60fps.
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hollabox  +   856d ago
4K will probably only be reserved for arcade titles or games like the new Rayman, both next gen seem too weak to deliver solid 4K performance with anything detailed like lets say Beyond 2 Souls. Speaking of 4K, in two years time it will be the perfect opportunity for Sony, MS, and maybe Nintendo to get more money out the consumers by introducing HDMI 2.0 on their system redesign if 4K gaming takes off.
srd4484  +   856d ago
I agree with this. No AAA games but I can see some arcade games being 4K.
Tooly  +   856d ago
so let me get this straight they supprt 4k gaming but they only got 1 game in 1080p hmmmmmmm
FrigidDARKNESS  +   856d ago
New system newhardware for devs to get use to. The x360 is a 720 p system at launch but a few games like PGR3 was running at 560p.
Tooly  +   856d ago
Sure ok arcade games at 4k bet
SkullBlade169  +   856d ago
That's silly, these systems just use PC hardware, there should be no issues.
Software_Lover  +   856d ago
RROD, YLOD. No matter what these companies chose as thier way of diagnosing a hardware issue the internet will run with it.

There is just no way of avoiding it.
gnothe1  +   856d ago
Everybody keeps saying the system isn't ready or it seemed rushed...why can't it be a product of having to REDO the way the system OS ran due to the changes to the DRM....the system was set to perform one way.. (24 hour check in. always online)..they had to change all of guys complain about what MS does no matter what?...
jmc8888  +   856d ago
Because common sense and the chain of events dictate otherwise.

Because removing checks is not the same as say...perfecting voice recognition software.

The 1st takes a couple of days at most, the other takes months or years. Funny enough the voice recognition doesn't even work for Americans, let alone other languages.

I could list all the ways they've been rushing to meet the bare minimums of everything, but it just wouldn't be worth my time and trouble.

But beyond that, just look at the human element. If everyone wasn't so rushed, how come each microsoft employee told a different vision of Xbox One and its features? None of them knew anything, and most of the stuff they said was wrong.

Even Major Nelson has been wrong about umpteen things. If a console isn't rushed, then the people in charge can get their stories straight with each other. Like with Major Nelson.

This is rush 101 and people that don't notice it...I feel very bad for you.
Software_Lover  +   856d ago
"Americans" is not a language.

Sorry, had to do it.
gnothe1  +   856d ago
no reason to feel bad for me homie...i got both systems paid off an vacation already set for the im gonna enjoy both guys can play favorites all you want im a gamer...but i do prefer xbox
jmc8888  +   856d ago
Major nelson must have gotten a hold of some of that afghani opium if he thinks the Xbox One can game in 4k.

Oh I'm sorry, game anything other than a 35th Anniversary Atari 2600 collection upscaled to 4k.
fullymoated  +   856d ago
Question: How many years is standard consumer electronics warranty?
cell989  +   856d ago
1 year, but if Major Hyrb is so confident about their product they should offer 3 years like they did for the 360
jatakk  +   856d ago
Within the EU there's a minimum 2-year guarantee, which means the seller must repair or replace it free of charge.
EXVirtual  +   856d ago
4k gaming? What the hell is Major Nelson talking about?
The both the XBO and PS4 aren't capable of 4K. It hardly matters anyway. How many people here have 4K TVs, let alone the general consumer?
biRdy  +   856d ago
Both consoles can output 4k for gaming but will probably not be used as often just like 1080p was not used for 360 and PS3.
DigitalRaptor  +   856d ago
Nelson is just a mouthpiece. His job is PR. To sell the Xbone. To make it look good, and try and do the tough job of convincing people it's better than the competition.

The amount of mixed messaging, misinformation and lies he's come out with in the past few months alone is unbelievable.

4K is another pipedream for console gaming, in any real sense.
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5eriously  +   856d ago
Even if it means he has to confuse and lie to reach his primary goal?

Atypical Microsoft. Just like Milo and super AI?
cell989  +   856d ago
"It supports 4K gaming and entertainment" Sigh*!!!!!!!

barely handles Battlefield 4 at 720p, rise at 900p and he is boasting about 4k gaming? this is why I seriously dislike this Hyrb Major/ Larry Nelson guy, why lie like that?
christocolus  +   856d ago
Lucreto  +   856d ago
Just imagine the downloads to put the game on the HDD. It its 50GB now what will 4K be?
robotgargoyle  +   856d ago
I'll take his word til the xb1 melts. PR spinning aside, MS probably doesn't want to risk another hardware disaster akin to rrod. They can't afford to lose more consumers. I think xb1 will be plenty reliable, but we'll see.

4K gaming seems like a pipedream on both consoles. OLED sets are still $10,000. 2K/4K are like double. I picked up a 2012 plasma for less than $2000 with a 3 year warranty and may buy a smaller led around holidays.
FrigidDARKNESS  +   856d ago
Since the x1 can play native 4k blu-ray movies day one it definitely will do native 4k games. Its ram memory and gpu is set up to do that.
wicked  +   856d ago
Just because it is black and white n4g won't believe it. As they designed the xb1 and know better!
Kayant  +   856d ago
No we are realistic and see 4K for AAA games wouldn't happen on either console they are not powerful enough. Seeing as something like a single titan struggles with it at high settings how you expect the next-gen consoles to run 4K AAA games is funny when a GPU of 3x+ power can't.
UncleGermrod  +   856d ago
In all fairness, 4K isn't very realistic for games on the next gen consoles, it still wont be possible for any reasonable price on PC's for at least a few more years. I would say at best, when devs start to better understand the architecture, that we may see some less technically demanding games find ways to hit 4k...maybe. But I think it would put a huge stress on the GPU and bandwidth allocation of either console, and therefore I just cannot see why any dev would sacrifice the majority of thier resources just for 4K when they could potentially have a much, much prettier game simply run at 1080p. It is nice to know that when i eventually replace my current plasma (not any time too soon), that I will already have a device that can output 4K for movies.
Campy da Camper  +   856d ago
Lol, movies are pre-rendered my friend. Running a 4k movie vs running a 4k games is like, Jesus Lol did you really just say that????
ziggurcat  +   856d ago
"Since the x1 can play native 4k blu-ray movies day one it definitely will do native 4k games."

no, it won't. 4K will most definitely be for video playback only.
ONI5  +   856d ago
Problem is that most people did not look in the package to find the extended 2 year warranty for $50 when the 360 came out. I took advantage of it and wound up with a 5 year warranty on my system when the RROD issue came to light.
Phoenix76  +   856d ago
Even if 4k gaming were a possibility with both XB1 and PS4(which they wont be), how many of you have a 4k TV!?!?!
After all, your gonna need a seriously high-end TV to handle seriously high-end resolutions.
wicked  +   856d ago
55" on amazon for £3,250. I may pick one up next year when they drop to £2000 ish. I paid £4500 for my first Pioneer 47" 1080i tv 12 years ago or so. So doesn't seem to bad a deal.
Phoenix76  +   855d ago
And that's my point made right there. £3,250 for a 4k TV atm and in another year maybe, just maybe they might be down to £2000.
But the average gamer wont have that kind of money to spend out on a TV. Hell, £430 for a brand new console without games is a hell of a lot to find!
4k is a pipedream with PR spin written all over it at this point in time.
biRdy  +   856d ago
360 and PS3 supported 1080p, when it was still far from being standard and look at us now. In another 8 years 4K will become more of the norm.
UncleGermrod  +   856d ago
It's true. I mean you could buy a 4K TV for a better price than you may think, but just like the early 720/1080 sets, many of the cheaper ones sacrifice true image quality simply to say "hey, this is HD, but it". It's funny how many people I talk to talk about all these specs on the new consoles without ever realizing their current "HD" monitor is gonna affect their graphics just as much. Some of the people I see with LCD's and tons of image blur, poor blacks etc., I swear t feels like im playing on a more powerful console when i play the same games on my panasonic plasma. Even till this day, many of the sets selling are just down right awful. Ya really need to do your research. I wouldn't be so worried about 4K so much as owning a high quality set with quick response, deep blacks, proper grey scale, rich colors etc.
sync90  +   856d ago
4K gaming on ps4 and xbox one? hahahaha wake up and eat your corn flakes.
hankmoody  +   856d ago
It'll happen but not for a while.
sync90  +   854d ago
yeah it'll happen. but not on ps4 or the xbone.
hankmoody  +   856d ago
Which was the worse fail: RRoD or finding out that PSN account info was hacked and tons of user info compromised?
abc1233  +   856d ago
RRoD. Care to link me to any stories of people who were the victims of fraud as a result of the PSN hack?
hankmoody  +   856d ago
No but I can give you their credit card numbers if you like. Actually, I'm joking. Don't need to get a real life five star wanted level for that joke, that's for sure.
abc1233  +   856d ago

I am a representative of the Cyber Crime Division of the FBI.

We have evidence to believe that you have been involved in the hacking of a major organisation's servers.

You will receive an official notice with the above allegation through the post shortly along with the steps you need to take. Failure to comply can result in detention for an undetermined period of time.

Good day.
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MRMagoo123  +   856d ago
credit card info was never taken.
ziggurcat  +   856d ago
seeing as how no one's information was compromised, your failed attempt at off-topic trolling is moot.
hankmoody  +   855d ago
Off topic in that they were both huge black eyes for each system? Give me a break. And as annoying as the RRoD debacle was, at least MS stepped up and took care of the problem. Call me a troll if you want but the attitude around here that Sony can do no wrong is ridiculous.
fsfsxii  +   855d ago
How you explained that its a joke is just... pathetic.
biRdy  +   856d ago
With the amount of money Microsoft lost due to RROD, I'm sure they are making sure that doesn't happen again.
slivery  +   856d ago
Lost? They made money from that not lost it, they made a ton of money off of people sending their machines in for repair or just replacing them by buying a new Xbox 360, not everyone had a warranty or is willing to send their system in and wait.
flunkers  +   855d ago
sounds like good business selling dodgy consoles then :)
Sadist3  +   856d ago
Developers can barely get 1080p. Don't think 4K gaming will be possible for awhile
UncleGermrod  +   856d ago
I read an article not long ago about how the PS4/Xbox One are simply products of the experience each manufacturer has with thier current consoles. Like how Sony new it had to truly focus on the core gamer and nothing else...if it was to regain it's top spot by any considerable lead. MS knows they cannot afford to have a debacle the likes of RRoD the second generation in a row. It would be too debilitating. I doubt heat will be an issue...everyone who has gone hands on says that the system is cool and quiet, and it has that giant fan right at the top above the motherboard. I think that's why we have this big power brick, and larger box...they simply wanted to ensure no heat issues occur and that seems to have taken priority in the actual console construction. PS4 may have done a better job (their system is smaller, has no brick, and is also said to be cool and relatively quiet) in terms of overall design, but i think it's safe to say MS has taken better measures to ensure the Xbox One is made of higher quality components with the proper ventilation than they had with the 360. I'm not really worried about it.

Either way, this time around I will have both consoles much sooner into the generation then i did with current consoles. So if either one of them fails, I should at least be able to still play games while its being repaired.
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abc1233  +   856d ago
They can barely do 1080p, let alone 4K. Maybe, just maybe for the most basic indie titles.
slampunk  +   856d ago
Good old gamingbolt. what a pathetic website!
jhoward585  +   856d ago
The RROD Issues on the original xbox happened mainly b/c of the cheap solder that was used on the xbox's motherboard, not b/c of intense heat.

well sort of....under intense heat the solder on the org Xbox MOBO will become brittle, resulting to circuitry breaks and system failure.

So, as long as MS don't used cheap solder again the x1 shouldn't PROD.
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OldGirl  +   856d ago
No it wasn't. It was because of a cheap heatsink. Microsoft will even tell you this. Just look here at all the revisions of the Xbox 360.

If you look at that, every revision of the 360 is listed not only that but the upgraded parts or changes in each system upgrade.

"July 2007, Introduced HDMI port. Improved GPU heatsink. Console power consumption 12V 16.5A or 198 W."

Microsoft let the 360 go on for 2 whole years before they even decided to fix this very obvious problem. Which is listed as a upgrade in the second 360 revision, that upgrade would be the heatsink.

A lot of people will say the Xbox One has a big fan, not to worry but again the PS3 also has a big fan but if it fails as little as the PS3 did that is ok in my book but the 360 failure rate was unacceptable.
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jhoward585  +   856d ago
Yes MS has made a lot of improvement to the org xbox. The heat sink upgrade did contribute to fixing the PROD issue, but the main cause of PROD was the due to the cheap solder.

Remember the X clamp that was placed underneath the org xbox MOBO to secure the heat sink? The X clamp bends the MOBO a bit resulting to circuitry breaks, especially during intense heat.
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OldGirl  +   856d ago
Again that wasn't due to poor soldering but due to the heatsink not distributing heat properly causing the motherboard to severly over heat and warp, when that happens solders will also become loose due to the overwhelming heat that is not leaving the system.

How do you think soldering is even done, with heat, melting metal. Even they did have poor soldering, if they just had a proper heatsink in the system that would never had happened so often.

If you ever took apart your Xbox 360 you would know what I am saying. The heatsinks were some of the cheapest looking I have ever seen period, thin like tin foil, so thin they could easily bend also. Good heatsinks are solid and thick for holding more heat away from the chip and better heat dispersal.
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jhoward585  +   856d ago
Someone on NG4 said the same thing I said.

look for the name (headblackman)
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here is another individual stating the same thing I said. look for the name (Zyzzyx)
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One more

look for the title
Preventing the Three Quadrant Red Ring of Death
OldGirl  +   856d ago
Okay. I don't get what people saying the same thing as you means.

Do you actually solder is my question? You are going to say that people at Microsoft cannot solder well? When that is probably one of the first things you learn when working with electronics. I am sorry but the logic in that doesn't add up at all.

I know Microsoft isn't the best when it comes to making hardware but I know they have people who know how to solder, it is a really basic skill to learn and pretty easy to master. Most people can learn it on their own if they wanted to that is how easy it is.

I do repairs and solder myself on the daily basis for many electronics, I work at an electronics store. Not trying to be a dick but I take experience anytime over peoples "word".

Even back when the 360 had those problems I advertised I could fix them by putting in a modified heatsink. I never had any complaints, I even modified my own and family members also with no problems afterwards.

As I said even if it was mediocre soldering skills, a good heatsink will prevent the solders from getting hot enough to break loose like that. If the soldering was a bad as you claimed though there would have been numerous problems with the 360 because of that, not just the GPU constantly over heating which the heatsink was attached to.

So if that is what you want to believe you are entitled to but I speak from experience having repaired them myself and having taken apart many on my own, not just peoples word.

Also if that was the situation, Microsoft would have replaced the entire motherboard with the second revision, which again they only changed the heatsink.
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jhoward585  +   856d ago
You're missing my point...

The solder on the org xbox were laid on the motherboard correctly.

The problem is MS used cheap solder that was imported from China.

Some material are bad and some are good. The solder used on the org xbox were bad.

The solder that was imported from china had too much lead in it...that the reason for the cracks.

Oh, I also do soldering myself. I have repair a few xbox in the past but like always the PROD happened again and again.

But I know reball method would've made it a perminate fix, but I dont have the money to purchase a reball/solder work station.
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Hicken  +   856d ago
The RROD happened because the system overheated.

Some of the things you say are utterly ridiculous, and point to just how little you actually know about the subject.

Original Xbox? I think you mean the 360.

Imported solder from China? The damn thing was made there, so there was no need to import.

You even mention that you've re-soldered 360s yourself, only to have the system RROD again. Were you using cheap solder imported from China, too?

Or was it, perhaps, something else that was the cause?
jhoward585  +   856d ago
Yeah you're right...I was referring to the 360, not the org xbox.

Its been a long day. the org xbox did not have an X clamp.

We all make mistakes from time to time don't we?

Now the solder did come from china. Not all part are manufactured in china. the 360 was in fact assemble in china.

ex. the 360 drive were manufactured in Taiwan, Singapore, usa, etc.

and yes I have done some minor soldering on the 360 MOBO before. I have no reason to lie. BTW, the links I provided on one post must mean that that other people are just are stupid as I am right??
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Hicken  +   855d ago
Still, if the system was put together in China, there was no need to "import" the soldering material.

And no, the links don't prove you stupid. They prove you- and the others- are uninformed.

You claim that you did soldering on 360s that still went on to RROD. Which means- unless you're saying you did a poor job- the soldering wasn't the issue.

Rather, it was a symptom. And that's the point: the soldering separating was not a cause of RROD, but an effect of the real cause: the poor heatsinks.
OldGirl  +   856d ago
As much as people may say "yea he is kind of right" It is still very misleading to do what he is doing.

The average consumer will see that and believe him which is very wrong. You people can call this a Sony site but the reason Sony has such a large fan base is for a reason, one reason would be they don't mislead their consumers into thinking the PS4 can do things that it cannot.

They have talked about 4k gaming also but they weren't this vague or made it seem as if it worked for all and every game. They said it would not be used for much but movies really.

I am still waiting for that "Truth to come out" that Larry was talking about a while ago. He seriously almost sounds as bad as all the people who follow MisterX blog.

Every time a rumor doesn't end up being true from that guy, somehow it is always something else and he was never wrong. How can anyone believe MisterX, someone so stupid that they compare power supplies and claim a system is more powerful based on its wattage output.

Every single system from either Microsoft or Sony always drops its power consumption with each and every revision and the consoles still work and perform the same as the first versions that consumed way more power.

That guys blog is filled with some of the most absurd assumptions and what bothers me a lot is you can tell he makes multiple accounts and comments on his own blog.

Then to make matters worse if anyone has ever tried to correct MisterX, he doesn't allow anyone to just post comments on his blog, he has to review the comment first before then he decides if it shows on his blog or not. If you were so confident in your "insider" and the information you are giving why would you need to have your comments set up like that? It is like those bunk Youtube video that advertise stuff and only allow either the idiotic comments to be seen or the fake comments made by them.
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srd4484  +   856d ago
Why bother wasting your time reading his blog then?

Have you been to Neogaf? You post anything positive about MS they BAN you.
XabiDaChosenOne  +   855d ago
That's not how neogaf works unless you're being a blatant fanboy in which case you will be banned no matter which fanbase you come from.
Bo-Diddly  +   856d ago
How can you say they don't mislead people with regard to what the PS4 can do? Until the console is released there's no way you can know that. MS, Nintendo and Sony are all guilty of misdirection and spin. To place your faith in Sony is just as naive as believing MS, just look at the string of disappointments and spin surrounding the PS3 release.
SilentGuard  +   856d ago
What exactly is a standard consumer electronics waranty? Three months? Why couldn't he just answer the question with a simple time frame.
srd4484  +   856d ago
At least he didn't promise 4D games...Oh wait. That was Sony with the PS3.
MRMagoo123  +   856d ago
It had 4d games on it so whats your point? the 4th dimension was time as in ppl changing over time like beards growing and what not, so there you have it we had 3d games and we had games implement time based things so 4d.
5eriously  +   856d ago
["In fact we are shipping an HDMI cable that is 4K rated. So when you get your HDMI cable out of the box it is 4K rated.
"] The cable or eXB0ne??? 4K gaming at what framerate?
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windblowsagain  +   856d ago

Look any machine can do 4k.

What graphics it has are another matter.

Do i care about 4k atm, not really.

1080p with crystal clear graphics@60fps like my PC will be easily good enough. Most tv's that people own are 1080p ready.
t0mmyb0y  +   855d ago
"In fact we are shipping an HDMI cable that is 4K rated."

The next version in HDMI (for 4K support) doesn't use any different HDMI cable than you are using now. Nice try Microsoft. Making it look like your doing a gooder lol.
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