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Beyond: Two Souls Review | NYTimes

Beyond: Two Souls is a misstep for Mr. Cage and Quantic Dream, but its failings are not the result of the limitations of Mr. Cage’s preferred medium. That it is interesting at all hinges on its interactive nature. It would be one of the worst movies you’ve ever seen, even though Ms. Page and Mr. Dafoe give fine performances . (Beyond: Two Souls, PS3) -

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ANIALATOR136   380d ago | Off topic | show | Replies(2)
Chapter11  +   380d ago
"But choice is wildly overrated in video games."

That tells you all you need to know about this review.
Kaiou  +   380d ago
Well , let's wait for more reviews then shall we. To think this was being compared with the Last Of Us a few months ago .
Blackdeath_663  +   380d ago
here is the reviews thread on reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/Gam... the game is extremely polarising in that some reviewers are giving it perfect reviews and 80-90 scores while other have completely dismissed it as boring and lacking of any gameplay. pretty much expected reaction but its creating a wave of hate towards this game from people who weren't interested in the story. personally i'm just going to watch a lets play of the game, its just as fun to watch as it is to play because really you're just watching an animated movie
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pacosanchez88  +   380d ago
@blackdeath
I completely disagree, there are some games where a lets play suffices, this isnt one of them. if it plays anything like heavy rain, then the choices you make change the story. so watching someone else play, watching THEIR story, it wouldnt be nearly as fun as making the choices yourself and seeing how YOU shape the game.
DOMination-  +   380d ago
Good idea, the experience is probably not much different whether you are viewing a video or "playing" it.
Omegasyde  +   380d ago
Chuck Norris is not actually human but a physical apparition. He is the collective figure of our imagination which has created him.

The cake is a lie
sonarus  +   380d ago
i didnt think i was going to play this game anyway. But i love how this review is getting slammed despite the fact that none of us have played it. I didn't even bother downloading the demo because if its anything like the other Quantic dream games i know its simply not my cup of tea.
MadMax  +   380d ago
To think this was being compared with TLOU? Thats because there is no comparison, Beyond is a far superior game! Its different and its actually more enjoyable. I was bored with TLOU and found it tedious and repetitive. i wanted to get it over with.

Same old third person shooter Uncharted style gameplay with just a different coat of paint. Enemies all looked the same and just standard looking. RE and Dead Space did a much better job! Overrated and overhyped. Beyond is a breath of fresh air and a hell of alot better game to me!
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Murad  +   380d ago
Look at the one from rev3.
The_Con-Sept  +   380d ago
This reviewer from NYT is really a buzzkill.

Seriously attacking someones artwork for a high profile game.

I wonder what his review on Dragonball the movie was. Seriously I wonder what his review is on a video game movie because if he gives more than 1 out of any stars on the DBZ movie then he is nothing more than another prop himself. His review was one of the most out of touch with reality.

I Seriously think he plays more CoD than a noob who suddenly decided to start playing Battlefield.

David cage is mentioned 12 times in his article. Seriously he has a beef with mr. Cage himself.

This reviewer has some serious beef with Mr. Cage.

I might as well re write those last two sentences above another ten times just to make sure I make it clear that he attacked Mr. Cage 12 times in his article.
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KazHiraiFTW  +   380d ago
There's nothing wrong with a game heavy on story, but if there is very little interaction you can't blame people for not wanting to pay $60 for what's not much more than your typical movie when normal movies cost $20 to buy or $5 to rent.
Nemesis4567  +   380d ago
@MadMax
If all you did was experience a third person shooter in TLOU game. Then you missed the whole point of the TLOU. And I'd say that is a shame.
hulk_bash1987  +   380d ago
Haha, choice is wildly overrated? That is the most backward statement I've heard about games in a while. Anyway, I just picked up my copy and can't wait to pop it in.
BozoLoco  +   380d ago
It's not really. It means that quality >>> quantity. The reviewer means that having a lot of choice isn't always a good thing.
hulk_bash1987  +   380d ago
How does that apply to a game that lets you choose the actions you want to take as the main character? The more actions you can choose to take humanizes the character alot more than if you were only given one choice and no options dont you think?
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silvacrest  +   380d ago
without choice aren't you essentially watching a interactive movie?

you gotta wonder if the reviewer actually plays games
Omegasyde  +   380d ago
I chose not to let Aerith Gainsborough die at the end of disk one of Final Fantasy 7.

The game did not reflect my choice and FORCED me to remove CD1 and INSERT CD2.
smokeyjoekenobi  +   380d ago
The reviewer says that in defence of the game, it follows what the reviewer states is one of the games problems, in that it promises choice, but when you choose a different path the end result is inconsequential I.e. Despite choosing differently to a previous play through the result is more or less the same. Then it reads 'but choice is wildly overrated in video games'. Context is everything dear boy.
Bobby Kotex  +   380d ago
Because it's impossible for this game to be mediocre? You fanboys are the worst.
kenshiro100  +   380d ago
Yes, because disagreeing with the review is a crime.

Give me a break.

And this was hardly a review.
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andibandit  +   380d ago
the game was so hyped anyway, anything below 9.5 would be below expectation
Mainsqueeze  +   380d ago
Lol I bet most of these ppl "arguing" with the review haven't even played the game yet.
kwyjibo  +   380d ago
"But choice is wildly overrated in video games."

David Cage agrees. That phrase is used in the review to praise the game.
DonFreezer  +   380d ago
It's quite simple the game has to be bashed because most ps fantrolls praised it to high heavens and blamed Microsoft for the lack of exclusive games on the 360. And we should not wait for more reviews. If this was Ryse getting this score or Dead Rising 3 you would all call the reviewer the best damn thing to come.
Timesplitter14  +   380d ago
I think they have a point, though. Choice in videogames are very rarely significant. No one's gonna spend years developping content that may never be seen by most players. This is why even if you have choices to make, everyone who plays the game will more or less end up in the same place
WeAreLegion  +   380d ago
I seriously doubt that.
Ron_Danger  +   380d ago
Why does half of this game review talk about David Cage?
It's a videogame review, not a director critique.
isa_scout  +   380d ago
Yeah, for some reason it felt like the writer had beef with David Cage for over half the article...Weird
Harpers_Ferry  +   380d ago
Get used to it, because frankly, the game doesn't stand much of a chance for fair reviews due to peoples feelings about Cage.
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Omegasyde  +   380d ago
The reviewer hates french people obviously.
Gardenia  +   380d ago
@Ron_Danger

I don't understand either. Suddenly everybody dislikes David Cage for being a bad writer or whatever. I've never heard any complains with Heavy Rain and Fahrenheit. And if you liked those games then you know what to expect from Beyond Two Souls.

So i am going to enjoy playing this game, and only hate David Cage for being French. 'Cause let's face it, nobody likes the French
KUV1977  +   380d ago
Heavy Rain already wanted to be an interactive movie and as a movie it was absolutely terrible. There was plothole after plothole and whoever cares about continuity. The Beyond demo already showed that they did not improve this. So while Heavy Rain may have been new enough for people to be overlooking the fact due to the newness of the concept I am glad that they are not falling for this again.
"It would be one of the worst movies you’ve ever seen [...]" - exactly how I felt about Heavy Rain. It's just not for people who really like good movies, even though it specifically targets this audience.
isa_scout  +   380d ago
I'm still very excited to play it once Gamestop opens and I an go pick it up. Games made by Quantic Dream are very niche games. A lot of people hate the interactive movie style games that QD make, but there's also a lot of people that love them.

Lucky for me, I'm one of those people that absolutely love Quantic Dream games. Bad review scores for this game are to be expected, and it shouldn't sway you from purchasing,especially if you enjoyed the demo.
Haki1112  +   380d ago
I'm with you. Played farenheit, Heavy Rain, and beat Beyond two souls I loved them all
isa_scout  +   379d ago
Lovin it so far can't believe it scored so low...Actually enjoying the story more than Heavy Rains.
OrangePowerz  +   380d ago
Since when is the NY Times reviewing games?
Cerberus2125  +   380d ago
Well when SETH SCHIESEL was doing their Game reviews I had a lot of respect for them.
silvacrest  +   380d ago
when a high profile game comes out you always see "journalists" who suddenly become game critics
linkenski  +   380d ago
"The game’s final act — at least as I experienced it, for Mr. Cage says there are 23 endings — is an underdeveloped mess."
I have to admit I do fear this could be true... I hope not.
GryestOfBluSkies  +   380d ago
heavy rain had quite a few endings as well. and that turned out just fine. i wouldnt worry about it
Feralkitsune  +   380d ago
I loved Heavy Rain, but I feel the story was convoluted as all hell. To say anything story related in that game turned out fine is lying to yourselves quite a bit.
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linkenski  +   371d ago
I don't see how the story of heavy rain was convoluted though. "Guy loses son, fears he might lose his last son, and shortly after he is kidnapped by a serial killer, so the protagonists of the game searches for clues that lead them to the killer" It had a lot of complexity because of the multiple-protagonist idea but convoluted gives the wrong impression IMO. It wasn't hard to follow at all.
Omran  +   380d ago
this guy has no idea what he is talking
about ! in every paragraph i see david
cage name ! review the damn game not
the director of the game !
CrossingEden  +   380d ago
Pretty sure he knows what he talks about, he played the full game. Unlike the people here saying that he's wrong.
WeAreLegion  +   380d ago
Many people here have played it though. You forget how many reviewers there are on N4G.
kratos_TheGoat  +   380d ago
bullshit the writer was talking about david more then beyond 2 soul the game smh the writer love the actors but hate david cage lol you know something is wrong with that in his review video. So where is the review at then troll?
hulk_bash1987  +   380d ago
Well the substance of the review says otherwise. When the Director's name is brought up more often than the actually game itself, I'd say there is a problem. But then again I've already picked up my copy so this and every other review is useless to me.
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e-p-ayeaH  +   380d ago
In a game like this a review you cant say much about it because the main point of Beyond Two Souls is telling a story and the reviewer criticized the pseudo-choices and that´s fine, Heavy Rain also was like that and people enjoyed it anyways.

Criticing the director of the game is just another way of saying that the reviewer wanted more outta this game.

I dont blame him the game is 60 bucks after all paying such a big amount for an interactive story doesnt feel rewarding once you know the whole plot.
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KUV1977  +   380d ago
Of course they blame the person responsible for the game and not the game itself. It didn't create itself. The problem is that in a game that puts story first and gameplay second, you kind of expect a decent story but Heavy Rain already showed that this is not what Cage is able to deliver.
kratos_TheGoat  +   380d ago
nytime got beef with david cage lol that was the only thing he was talkin about. nothing about the game smh
chrissx  +   380d ago
Can't take this review seriously when all this guy is doing is criticizing david cage and not the game. a must play for me
monkeyDzoro  +   380d ago
Ugh... I thought I read "Beyond Two Souls" review in the title. Not David Cage's one...
Guess I was wrong. 80% of this review has nothing to do with the game.
TomahawkX  +   380d ago
Jason...
Jason.....
JASON!!!!

but no, seriously, where is Jason?
FriedGoat  +   380d ago
Finding Jason is one of the 23 endings.
Lykon  +   380d ago
after playing heavy rain , i'm never going near anything david cage makes again .. he is a deluded self promoter
Omegasyde  +   380d ago
JASON!!! is with Molly. Will you help me find MOLLY?
Game0N  +   380d ago
Where the fuck are the reviews????
Pozzle  +   380d ago
Apparently the review embargo doesn't lift until 4pm.
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Game0N  +   380d ago
Um youre joking right....?
Pozzle  +   380d ago
Nah, that's what I read. A couple of sites have mentioned that they aren't allowed to publish their reviews until 4pm today.
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1nsomniac  +   380d ago
Unfortunately that's the exact time when all deliveries have already been shipped so there's no way of backing out of your online purchase...
kretuna  +   380d ago
Call me ignorant, but when a game review defines the game as a bad movie but the actors gave fine performances. Implies to me that games are being finally seen as an art form, where the technology allows actors give great performances as a live action film. As a side note have great hopes for this game.
kratoz1209  +   380d ago
Man i cant wait to play this tomorrow but i recently just started watching Attack on Titan,So little spare time
Argh!! I Hate working full time
GryestOfBluSkies  +   380d ago
i can't believe some of you are up in arms about a ny times review. i didnt know so many people ran to a newspaper as their first source of gaming information
Ron_Danger  +   380d ago
"ran to a newspaper"

Dude... We're all stereotypical nerds here... Obviously we all take our Rascle Scooters to the news stands
SynestheticRoar  +   380d ago
Damn sewer of a rag newspaper F-them. Yes i'm from New York, and they suck more now than ever.
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tigertron  +   380d ago
Snape kills Dumbledore.
GrandpaSnake  +   380d ago
playing it right now... id give it a 8 because im a gamer and never played heavy rain, it was still fun and super interesting.
Cryptcuzz  +   380d ago
Don't have a reviewer that plays mainly FPS review a JRPG game.

Don't have a reviewer that plays mainly JRPG review a FPS game.

Don't have a reviewer that plays mainly Angry Birds review a horror game.

So on and so forth. A game like this will have polarising reviews, simply because it is not like your typical run of the mill game. One has to know and expect what type of gameplay, pace the game is going for etc. and accept that first before playing it.

My point is, understand what the game is going for and trying to achieve. If that is good, buy the game or download the demo. If not, don't bother trying to express your opinions on it. It's like being a movie critic mainly into comedy movies like Sorority girls XYZABC and trying to appreciate a movie like a slow paced epic of a storyline with great acting.

Just my 2 pennies on this.
KUV1977  +   380d ago
There can be movies with great acting that are still terrible though. That's just what happened here. Just because it has great graphics and big hollywood names does not automatically make the game great.
PsylentKiller  +   380d ago
"In the scenes I did replay" they did not have an effect on the outcome. This reviewer sucks. How can you say the choices have no effect when you only replayed a few scenes. Not all choices will have an extreme effect. If you drink the milk instead of the orange juice people aren't going to die.
Funky Town_TX  +   380d ago
Is this a game or a movie?
GiantEnemyCrab  +   380d ago
To me it's interactive story telling, a merge of both game and movie.

I would encourage anyone to try the demo to see if it's your kind of game before dismissing it or giving this review too much weight.
WarThunder  +   380d ago
People still care about useless reviews?

oh my people will never learn...
FanOfRootBeer  +   380d ago
Leave discussing video games to gamers, NYT.
LA-Z-BOY-_-  +   380d ago
Its a wicked experience for me so far. it all depends on what you like .
SaulGoodman  +   380d ago
I first want to say i really liked Heavy Rain. I've only played the demo of this and it absolutely floored me. I think this is the best looking game i've ever seen. It truely feels like im controlling a movie. This game looks better then all of the next gen games I've seen besides Killzone. I was seriously doubting this game until i played the demo. Download, play, change underpants, buy.
dp_simbol  +   380d ago
i enjoyed heavy rain and played it twice, i know this game wont disappoint me. great job quantic dream.
pete007  +   380d ago
Personally not a fan of cages work, second, just here to remind you psfanboys how you used this unreleased mess as future benchmark and flagship title. What next?

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