Many may deny it, but there are a lot of factors standing against Gears of War 2 being the hit everyone wants it to be.
I don't think his concerns are legitimate enough The BIG reason i thing gears of war 2 might not reign supreme is graphics. Lets face it as much as we say graphics don't really matter, graphics play a huge part in a games sales. Look at GT5P it lacks damage and it is considered a demo but those visuals are simply too hard to turn away from. COD4's graphics also played a role in its success. Long story short gears of war 1 had mind glowing graphics and to an extent at least in my eyes revolutionary gameplay. I doubt gears of war 2 can achieve the same mind blowing graphics and revolutionary gameplay the first had
Halo...didnt have great graphics. It's what they do to fix the gameplay. Thats important. They gameplay in this game needs to be tweaked...not changed.
@Breakfast Yes and no. Halo isn't the best example because the game has been hyped to hell, and all the money going into advertising and all those calling Halo THE 360 game. The Wii really exemplifies this idea though. Smash Brothers's graphics has nothing on Uncharted, but Smash will sell millions more.
I don't expect Gears 2 to have a massive jump in visuals... All epic has to do is tweak here and there, add another typical FPS story, and redesign online multiplayer. And I agree with the article about Tom Clancy syndrome, and I do think this will be delayed...or just plain be a bad game
I don't know man. The graphics are going to be top notch. They might not surprise people like the first did but, they're still going to be good. Plus ... a lot of people bought and liked the first one, it only makes sense that they're going to want to buy two. Gears 2 is going to be successful. It might not get GOTY but it's still going to be a great game. I guess that's kind of what the author is saying though.
IMO Halo is a lot more casual/pick up and play than GeOW. GeOW is a lot more targeted at hardcore with its dark plot and bland color scheme. So gameplay will be tweaked for sure but without that massive jump in visuals i don't think it will reign supreme.
Highest selling xbox game this year. I think it will reign supreme.
I think we've all seen the sorts of games that end up best-sellers on the 360 *hints towards Halo 3* so I think 360 owners will be somewhat indifferent to the actual quality of the game, and buy into the hype noetheless. However, I'm pretty sure Gears of War 2 is going to be fantastic, and deserve those sales :D
i disgree that graphics is what sells a game,hell i would buy a game with graphics like the super nintendo with a great story line and game play before i buy a game that has graphics 10 times better then the 360 and ps3 with no good story line and game play because with out these things the game will sux. look at halo3,it had real good graphics but they had a lot of other games that came out at the same time with better graphics but halo3 out sold them because it had a better story,game play and more fun to play then them.halo3 wasn't the only game that proved that graphics isn't what people look for in a game first.look at guitar hero and rock band ,they have some good graphics but just like halo3 they had games that came out with better graphics then they had but just like halo3, guitar hero and rock bands are just great games with good controles and people will buy a game to play that is fun and has good controles before they buy a game with just great graphics first,hell graphics is the last thing i look for in a game because with out all the other things i mention above the game will sux and it will have no replay value like the games i mention above. so all this talk that gears of war 2 will not be a hit is a joke.the people that said this might as well as say that mgs4 will fail because there is no way that any one of these games will fail because fans can't wait to play mgs4 because they played the other mgs games and they want to see what happen and the same goes for gow2,people that bought and played the first one can't wait to see what happens in gow2.people that hate the ps3 and 360 will argue that the game on the system they don't have will fail and this is just fanboy talk. both games will be good and sell well on bith systems.
Welcome back, 'Mr. Wall-o-text' :)
Everything will undoubtedly be better and the fans will buy to their hearts delight as with Halo3. I just wish Insomniac had made Nathan Hale more Gung Ho like Marcus and provided a cover system and proper sprint option, then R2 would clean up. But I'll enjoy both when they come.
before making any opinions. The screen shots are sick and the what they have planned is stellar. His guesses about Gears two were uninformed.
The game will reign supreme no matter what, Gears 1 was great game, a little over-hyped but not as over hyped as Halo which ended up being an ok game.
360 + GoW2 = big. No matter what ps3 girls may tell you. This game will sell and it will fuking own :]
Gears of war sucks ass.
I don't need some fanboy to reassure me of how good a game's going to be. The fact that you resorted to calling those who prefer a different console to you "PS3 girls" runs contradictory to the impression of confidence you're giving. If you're that sure of it's success, why act so immature to those who doubt it? Enjoy the game as it is. Believe me, it's going to sell, regardless of quality. Now, don't worry, it'll be great, just don't drag yourself down to the level of those you criticise. :)
Well said. + Bubbles.
Even your precious Gears is going down the drain. HAHA.
Thanks mate, you too can have some bubbles :)
MGS4 will be lucky if it moves 1 million in 1 week
GT5:P sold over a million units it's first day in EU only. And lets face it, MGS4 is ALOT more hyped than GT5:P. Also, MGS4 will have a world wide release...now you do the maths.
PC + Geow2 = better No matter what 360 girls may tell you. 360 games "Geow2" will allways be better on PC. :]
no, it sucks on pc i played the pc version it wasnt as good instant uninstall :-D
will always be beter on Real XBOX err PC... lolxbox
PC + GEOW 2 = you playing this game early 2010 and spending the price of a 360 arcade to upgrade. I mean , its like you want us to say " wait beyond ". Luckily Im not that type , but have a great wait pal at least you'll play this one day.
U DONT NO A THING, I BET U HAVE NOT GOT A PS3 EITHER. BTW WHAT RANK ARE YOU IN THE SONY DEFENCE FORCE BATTLE FLEET. (i made that name up lol on my other account long ago with only one bubble) delay this station beyond phoneys balls
360+GeoW 2= PEICE OF SH*T!!
NOBODY does PC now because of the $$$$$$ you need to keep even a half a$$ed system going. That is why gamers game on the 360 and yes even the BD player that can play games (poorly) Your one of the many on this site that are sooooo pro PS3 you killed this site. I find it funny that such a "PRO" PS3 site would take out a full page ad in OXM a xbox mag. When I do find the rare GOOD PS3 game I admit it is a good game (Uncharted ...(far from great but good, HS, RFOM and MLB 08) Ilk like you just bash,bash and make up c,rap that only you and your pals on this site make up. NPD numbers just showed you where your PS3 is....in THIRD place.........I want to see the BD movies vs PS3 games sold numbers I bet you the Movies KILL the games in number sold. As we all know now even in Europe where you douche bags always say the 360 does not sell the 360 sells 7 games per system vs the 3 a PS3 sells per system. Face facts my man and PS .....NA makes up more then 60 % of the WHOLE game market so stop saying " thats only in NA"
Rattles, what game doesn't look better on the PC than a console? With being able to customize AA settings, it damn well look better on a PC. Second of all, the article isn't even an article and shouldn't have been posted. It's a blog that is just opinion. As much as it kills POS3 fans, Gears of War is a staple in gaming, just as much as I hate to admit the MGS is a staple in gaming. Gears 2 will be huge, people will flock to it and it will get played for 2 years and beyond until the fans are begging for Gears 3. How can it disappoint? We have only seen the surface of the Unreal 4 engine. Destructible environments, increased enemy handling, water and more 3D enhancements, there's no way in hell that it can disappoint!
If your expecting a massive leap in visuals I think there's a chance you may be disappointed. The first one, while amazing had the shock value of being the first true "next-gen" game. This one will be scrutinized down to the last pixel. All I'm looking for is bigger environments and a more dynamic mix of location. Better story structure, 4 player co-op would be amazing and at least 8x8 online. I'm gameplay over graphics.
that's what im looking for to but i don't think the'll have 8 on 8 multiplayer maye 6 on 6 at most cuz the animation and the charactors are so big and detailed is why theres just 4v4 in the first one
Hmmm. Epic themselves said in an interview that 4x4 multiplayer was a design choice, because they believe it provides a more immersive experience. You get to know(hate) the competitors better and the team spirit is bigger. It also makes for more strategic gameplay. IMO some games benefit more from having a large number of players than others. Battlefield for example, wouldn't be the same with 4x4, but It was never something that bothered me in Gears. I think it would be boring if all games just competed to have as many players at one possible, instead of trying to optimize the gameplay experience.
@ Jenzo: That was just Epic's excuse. Luckily for them, Gears of War turned out to be suited perfectly to that amount, it's still pretty fun to play online now. Let's face it, they would have tried for more players if they could.
if they screw around and forget to include a decent rocket launcher, I will say the game sucks. It still makes me mad that when you pick up the boomers weapon, it looses its functionality. That's just garbage. Goldeneye had a better GL.
i thought they already announced 5x5 for MP
It worked for Halo, why shouldn't it for Gears of War?
for god sake its just the unreal engine every thing you see in there games is avaliable to every other dev out there useing it.
Mass Effect, Bioshock and Last Remnant all want a word with you.
You guys suck :P I bet Gears of War Mobile will be the best! Seriously though... the game will sell without a doubt, but lets not make it bigger than it is for now.
Bull crap it will.
They should stop wasting time on UT3 and put as much manpower as they can behond GOW2. I doubt many tears would be shed if they announced just that. However, I know it will never happen.
halo 2 sold more, and halo 3 sold plenty aswell. the same can be said of the gran tourismo series, gta and metal gear, all franchises which have shifted hardware, aswell as container loads of discs. with the success of the first gears, its pretty much guaranteed that the second game will not only be a hit, but will also shift a few consoles to boot. this seems like blog to me, and does it really have a place on here?
all the games you named were the first games of the franchise on the system but in this case all the fans of gears are 360 owners that is more than 5 million and if u add those who already have a 360 but did not buy gears 1 because it was old then it will be about 6-7 million so gears 2 will sell a lot of copies might even break halo 3s record but it will not sell many consoles...if gears 3 is on the next xbox then it will sell a lot of consoles but not gears 2 on the 360
your right the fist game of a series will always be more sucessful on a new counsel than the second unless they go over the top with new features. thats why mgs2 sold more than mgs3 and why mgs4 will probally sell better than both of them. same aplies to ff10 selling more than any other ff on the ps2 after it, but ff13 will rank unbelievable sales.
The thing is... Gears of War 2 attracts the same audience, the same kind of attention as Gears of War 1. What this guy is pointing out is that a sequel to a game that is still fresh in everyone's minds as a GREAT game needs to innovate in order to stand out, and perhaps do new things in order to grab the people still on the fance.
i think your both missing something. all the first games create the fans. halo 2 sold alot of xboxs, gt2 sold playstations, gta:vice city sold ps2s after the great gta3. if going by what you two are saying, if everybody who likes the game already has the system, then no-one else buys the console for the sequels other than the already built up fan-base! when history already says that your both way off the mark! i'll just use halo as an example here. halo helped sell xboxs, but when halo2 was released, it sold loads of hardware to people who did'nt have xboxs, so they could play it also. clearly, the sequels to popular franchises help push hardware sales! same with gta3 and vice city. gta3 sold hardware aswell as software, but no doubt, vice city helped sell a load more ps2s when that was released.
The guy in the article is just hoping we don't get a "Gears 1.5" based on the developement time, extra hype, and media pressure. I honestly think it's going to deliver either way. Even if it was Gears 1.5, just wrap up the story, improve on the graphics, tweak the gameplay, add some features here and there and Bam. It'll be more than enough for any Gears fan. Or at least for me.
You can only get some many environments on a DVD9 disc....why do you think gears of war 1 was so short? But compression is way better two years later...so they will make the game bigger...since this was one of the gripes about GEARs of WAR 1... 8 vs 8 multiplayer? not gonna happen...I think they will stick with 4 VS 4...but lets hope they cn get it 8 VS 8... Heck Warhawk has 4 way split screen!.....so they can at least do that. I wonder what incognito is gonna do for Warhawk 2 in late 2009? 64 player on screen? Graphics 10 times better than Warhawk 1? They will be in the same boat as Epic is now.... And it does not matter if Gears of War 2 sucks or not...there really is not anything else good comming out for the Xbox 360 around its (Gears 2) release time...so it will sell like crazy no matter what....epic has nothing to really worry about..
About the warhawk comment. Usually in games I would agree, the higher the numbers of player does not necessarily mean the better the gameplay. HOWEVER, for warhawk, that game is absolutely tailored and designed for large numbers of players. I would say the more players for Warhawk, the better. 32 vs 32 warhawks would be pretty friggin amazing.
man, they really had to tone down the 360 version just to get it on a dvd9! from what i here, it's only the size of two city blocks compared to the ps3 version!!!! dear oh dear. with games like gta being equal in size and graphical prowess on both platforms, does it not sink in that blu-ray is more of a luxury in gaming at the moment?? if it was a problem, then gargantuan games like gta would highlight the problem that sony wants everyone to believe made blu-ray neccessary! please think about things first, before jumping to conclusions!!
in all fairness the 360 probally did hold gta4 back but not by much and honestly do you think theyed make the ps3 version better just because there was more space on the disk? that would be shooting themselves in the foot when it came to the 360 versions sales
you don't know that, and there's no reason to say that when everything says otherwise. it obviously wasn't held back by dvd9! so why even bother trying to add some sony spin?! the fact is, gta is gonna be one massive game in lots of departments! and it obviously fits nicely on a dvd9! perhaps the problem lies in the fact that there is yet still no conclusive proof that blu-ray is essential for gaming!!
you can read can't you? cause you are waaaay off topic here. your "opinions" on blu can wait till the appropriate story comes along.
i first replied to aiphanes, who said that gears 2 would be hampered by a dvd9. i was'nt the one who brought it up! just merely pointing out obvious flaws in people of certain console persuaions arguments.
You are honestly a fool if you think Blu-ray isn't needed in the future. Heck even now devs and basically milking dvd9 for every last kilobyte of data and you know it. What did they say about 5" floopies? what did that say about 3.5" floppies? What did they say about cds? And what are they starting to say about dvd now? And what are they going to say about blu-ray in the future? Have I made my point?
you make your point well "if you think Blu-ray isn't needed in the future" well done for putting things into perspective. it will be needed in the future without doubt! but at the moment, as the guy above said, there still is'nt any conclusive proof that it's needed now. if there is could you link to the stories that confirm it
because it has competition this time around and fanboy or not, we all know that when other games come out and thier is something that is competing with it, reviewers often compare them. gears of war was praised for its graphics and cover system. thier are plenty of games that have the cover system now and that have are going to have mind blowing graphics around the time it launches. i dont wish anything bad on gears. it was a good game for the 360 and im sure the second one will be good too. but the game that I would be giving all the praise on the 360 would be ninja gaiden 2(gameplay looks phenominal) and the ps3 still doesnt have a good EXCLUSIVE hack and slash of that caliber. so im looking foward to seeing what gears can bring to the table. but then where i kinda dispute my point is with this. if the creater of gears 1 can think of the gameplay features that he thought of with gears 1 then im sure he can think of many new gamplay features for the second.
Oh PLEASE!! "2 years may not seem like alot of dev time" yeah for the first iteration of a series. This is a SEQUEL, their is no learning hardware, creating stories, characters, it's already done for them. It's simply taking the first game and creating new environments, Epic and Microsoft wouldn't push the title if it wasn't as polished as the first, if you remember November 2005 was when Gears was supposed to come, it ended up in 2006. If it's not ready, it will go to 2009.
But the Playstion around that time will be monstrous
im not saying gow2 will be bad by any means. I am just saying that i don't think the sequel will have as much success as the first. But there is no doubt it wont be good.
dont think so, microsoft needs this game THIS year. what other big selling games do they have besides the multiplat GTAIV?
Too Human, Fable 2, Banjo Kazooie, Splinter Cell, Ninja Gaiden 2, Alan Wake and I doubt that's all they have up their sleeves, E3 is coming.
do you think those games will compete with Gran Turismo. Gran Turismo 3 alone sold 1,890,000 copies in Japan, 7,140,000 in North America, 5,840,000 in Europe, and 10,000 in Southeast Asia. i think GT5 will do the same or better..
If you missed every story about the attach rate maybe you should check it out. 360 owners buy EVERYTHING.
all i said is that all the games you mention above will be surpass by GT alone..
"as I cancel my pre-order".. Noottt!! all the haters can sucka fat one. now were predicting why a game might not be all that, when we have not seen much, besides the teaser. how about why this game will be the best selling shooter in 2008 going into 2009 with halo 2 like numbers with tweaked issues everyone have complained about. epic seems to be listening form what ive seen so far. graphics will be graphics most games do not win goty on graphics alone. there is this misconception that having blu-ray will get you goty honors, quality aaa games, well i have not seen much but all fanboys have to fall on is graphics. just yesterday EPIC, "ut3n 360 will have better graphics" now fanboys disregard graphics...oh yeah who cares about graphics again....
Like ps360rocks says: 2 years is a long enough time for a sequel. Everything important has already been done with the prequel. Look at resistance 2 for the ps3, it looks like it will be better, and more important huger then the first one. And i think this will also happen with GoW2. But like all big sequels it will indeed not have the wow factor. Ninja gaiden 2 also doesn't look like a huge step forward in graphics. Fans don't really care how it looks, if it plays good they will be happy.