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Pach-Attack - Why is Sony Letting Xbox Use Blu-Ray?

Michael Pachter explains why Sony is helping its enemy.

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pedrof931087d ago

Well sony is making money out of Xbox One.

My_Outer_Heaven1087d ago

Not much though... Sony were smart to back Blu-ray when they made PS3... they hit the nail on the head just like they did with DVD on PS2.

Software_Lover1087d ago

If HD-DVD was in the ps3 that would've won. The ps3 was the catalyst for the format war.

Eonjay1087d ago

Two things:
1. It allows them to make money.
2. It allows them to establish Blu Ray as the Standard.

DOMination-1087d ago

Sony are not in charge of bluray

miyamoto1087d ago (Edited 1087d ago )

I remember the days when Xbox fans really "HATED!" Blu-ray & and said mega tons of negative crap about it all over the internet .

And now they are eating them by the truck loads.
How does it taste?

Hah hah hah! LoL!

@My Outer

Sony did not just back Blu-Ray...Sony lead in creating it with Philips while the other founding members funded the project.

Sony does hold key patents on blu-ray.

Now who backed them up?
The current 18 board members (as of June 2013) are:[4]
Dolby Laboratories Inc.
DTS Inc.
Hitachi, Ltd.
Intel Corporation
LG Electronics
Mitsubishi Electric
Oracle Corporation
Panasonic Corporation
Pioneer Corporation
Royal Philips Electronics
Samsung Electronics
Sharp Corporation
Sony Corporation
TDK Corporation
Technicolor
20th Century Fox
Walt Disney Motion Pictures Group
Warner Bros. Entertainment

The contributors as of June 2009 are:[4]
Acer Inc.
Advanced Micro Devices (AMD)
Almedio Inc.
Alticast
ArcSoft
AudioDev AB
BluFocus Inc.
Broadcom Corporation
Canon Inc.
CESI Technology Co. Ltd.
China Hualu group Co., Ltd.
CMC Magnetics Corporation
Corel Corporation
Cryptography Research Inc.
CyberLink
DCA Inc.
Deluxe Digital Studios, Inc.
Dolby Laboratories Inc.
Dreamer Co., Ltd.
DTS, Inc.
Eclipse Data Technologies
Fraunhofer IIS
Fujifilm
Fujitsu Ltd.
Funai Electric Co., Ltd.
Gibson Guitar Corporation
Industrial Technology Research Institute
Lionsgate Entertainment
Lite-On IT Corporation
Macrovision Corp.
Marvell International Ltd.
MediaTek Inc
Meridian Audio, Ltd.
Mitsubishi Kagaku Media Co.Ltd.
Monster Cable Products
Moser Baer India Limited
NEC Electronics Corporation
Nero AG
nVidia Corporation
Osmosys SA
Paramount Pictures Corporation
Pulstec Industrial Co., Ltd.
RealD
Ritek
Sensio Technologies Inc.
ShibaSoku Co. Ltd.
Sigma Designs
Singulus Technologies
Sonic Solutions
ST Microelectronics
Sunext
Taiyo Yuden Co., Ltd.,
Testronic Laboratories, Inc.
Universal Studios Home Entertainment
Victor Company of Japan, Ltd. (JVC)
Visionare Corporation
Warner Music Group
Zoran Corporation

M$ will be crazy to go against these guys.

shoddy1087d ago

Bu bu but bluray is teh dooom.

digital download us teh future.

gamertk4211087d ago

HD-DVD was so much faster and the extras were always better. Funny enough, Sony's own Betamax was also a better format that lost out to an inferior competitor in the VHS.

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s8anicslayer1087d ago

@Software

If HD-DVD was actually in the 360 instead of an added on device then HD-DVD would have stood a better chance in the format war.

bligmerk1087d ago

Sony was the first to build a Blu-ray drive including that all important read head. Sony has all the basic patents for all the optics and blue spectrum lasers plus being a handful of manufacturers that can manufacture components at that level. The Blu-ray format is owned by a consortium and they all get a few per cents from each sale, Sony is one of the major receivers there also.

hazardman1087d ago

@software

If it was included on xbox 360 we still could be having a format war!

Docknoss1087d ago

Sony computers use windows

SilentNegotiator1087d ago

Sony doesn't have a big enough slice of the pie to make decisions on who gets to use Blu-ray or not.

amiga-man1087d ago (Edited 1087d ago )

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1...

The money that is made in royalties is huge, Blu ray becoming the standard is a financial goldmine for Sony.

The Blu ray license dosn't just cover the drive, every disk sold also makes money for Sony, thats a lot of disks and a lot of money.

insomnium21087d ago

Who the hell disagrees with Software lover?

There were tonnes of news covering this back then. After PS3 hit the market the sales for BD exploded. PS3/Sony single handedly brought BD as the winner after it being beaten by HD-DVD. BD came to market a little later and it wouldn't have even taken off without PS3. This is common knowledge people so I have no idea why so many disagree with software lover.

Yes if PS3 would've had a HD-DVD drive that format would've won the format war hands down. I can't believe so many are willing to fight the windmills with this.

Magicite1087d ago

every sony console introduced new media:
PS1 - CD (I know that sega had cd console before sony, but it was more of failure)
PS2 - DVD
PS3 - BLU-RAY
PS4 - Digital (I know PS3 also has digital, but it wasnt available from the start)

SniperControl1087d ago

@gamertk

Wrong, hd-dvd's were never better, sure they were easier to produce but a single layer disc could only hold 15gb of information while a single layer BD holds 25gb.

Kryptonite42O1087d ago (Edited 1087d ago )

@ Software_Lover

I was under the impression, and i heard many years ago that the porn industry was the deciding factor in the format war???

Hitman07691087d ago

@fox2 did he forget.... or did he just leave them out on purpose....

insomnium21087d ago

Yup. Porn won VHS the format war back in the day.

GameSpawn1087d ago

In regards to the question "Why would Sony let Microsoft use Blu-Ray?":
1) Microsoft has no choice. Not utilizing it at least for movies is suicide at this point as Blu-Ray has become the defacto standard for movie releases. DVD-only releases are pretty much non-existent.

2) Microsoft is free to license Blu-Ray technology, just like ANYONE else. So long as they pay the licensing, they are free to use it how they see fit.

3) Sony is not the sole owner of Blu-Ray technology. They are a major contributor yes, but many other companies have backed Blu-Ray with other technology of their own (eg. TDK's tough-coat tech) or financial resources (early investors in the BDA). The final word on who uses Blu-Ray is not up to Sony alone, but the Board of Directors of the BDA (which Sony happens to be one of the members of the Board).

4) This is a Win-Win for Sony no matter which way it goes, Blu-Ray or not in the Xbox. With Blu-Ray in the Xbox Sony gets money out of Microsoft indirectly through their share of the licensing received and with out Blu-Ray in the Xbox (which didn't happen for reasons 1-2-3) Sony would have yet another major advantage in the PS4 over the Xbox One.

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dedicatedtogamers1087d ago

To answer the question: it's because Sony and Microsoft aren't nearly as hostile toward one another in actual business dealings. The whole "console warzz" animosity is 90% show for the hardcore fanboys to drool over.

johnniejay1087d ago

Agreed they need and want the fanboy drama so they can make even more money

denawayne1087d ago

Agreed. What OS is running on every Sony laptop?

Jeedai Infidel1087d ago

Anybody remember Pepsi vs Coke in the eighties, it got pretty "heated" as well, and turned out to be a marketing scheme orchestrated by both companies. Genius really.

dennett3161087d ago

Agreed 100%. Microsoft, for example, are working with Sony so Skype can be available on the PS4....and MS are happy to do it, because they own the damn thing and stand to increase their profile.

All the tech companies work with each other in all areas of their business.

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joe901087d ago (Edited 1087d ago )

And Microsoft are making money from the Skype app on most Sony products and Windows on Laptops. maybe a deal was made who knows.

bumnut1087d ago

Free products still make money, look at Facebook

stuna11087d ago (Edited 1087d ago )

Yes it's to make money of course! But there is so much more! For example, to speed up the adoption rate, therefore making it the defacto disc media.

Bigger games; which this generation many said were being held back because of the use of regular dvds on the 360.

Edit; To those who don't know, Sony is 1 of the founding members, and because of this their percentage is higher than others! Also not everyone involved took an active role into the construction of the Blu Ray format.

Edit; Actually a couple of the companies bought into the Blu Ray association! Also Microsoft was given that option, since Microsoft owns one of the codecs that went into the production of Blu Ray. It just that Microsoft opted out of joining, because they felt Blu Ray wasn't needed.

Blaze9291087d ago

this is like asking why Microsoft lets Sony have Windows OS on their computers. Smh

badz1491087d ago

Not really the same. When was the last time you bought a MS branded pc or laptop? Likely NEVER, right? Sony don't pay Microsoft for every laptop sold. YOU who buy Sony laptop with Windows will be the one who pays the cost for the OS, not Sony.

Windows has always been a global OS used by everyone and it's kinda ironic that it's just recently that Microsoft made a hardware of their own that runs Windows which is the Surface.

Bluray is a different story altogether. MS could have gone Nintendo and use a derivative format and not exactly a Bluray but THAT would be foolish as it will disable Bluray movie playback.

DoctorJones1087d ago

If Sony sells a pc or laptop it needs an operating system badz149, regardless of whether Sony foots the bill or not MS still get paid.

Only a complete imbecile wouldn't get that point.

dennett3161087d ago

Yes badz, a global OS that Sony still have to pay MS to licence for their machines....for it to be pre-installed, Sony have to licence it. Also, the Microsoft Surface thing isn't ironic in any way.

shivvy241087d ago

Lets not forget the x1 was made to be an entertainment device to take over your living room, it would have been a stupid move not to include bluray

Fred_C_Dobbs1087d ago (Edited 1087d ago )

wrong reply

gapecanpie1087d ago

People still buy movies on disk media??? I haven't in years since netflix, hulu and vudu has it all and not to mention it's right there on demand instead of having to go to the store, I guess people like the old ways of doing things.

Campy da Camper1087d ago

So you have never seen batman the dark knight or Thor on bluray? Wow. Streaming Netflix is what, 1080i if that?

rainslacker1087d ago

Yes quite a few actually. Good for you, your all digital. Go into any major store electronics store and see a section dedicated to Blu-ray and DVD players, and an even bigger section devoted to the media to play on them.

The old way works, and the quality of physical media puts all current media streaming services to shame.

Wintersun6161087d ago

The on demand services are piss poor outside of US. Also last I checked, hulu and vudu are still not working where I live.

Oh and yes, I like to buy stuff on discs to add to my collection.

TurboDatsunZ1087d ago

People do like to get out of their house lol While at walmart for groceries, home appliances etc you sometimes walk by the electronics department and can't help but look at what movies came out.

Fred_C_Dobbs1087d ago

the library of classic films available on bluray blows netflix out of the water. and most of these films have undergone new high tranfers

SniperControl1087d ago

A typical movie on a BD is about 18 to 25gb, that typically has the movie itself and a uncompressed DTS HD or True HD 5.1/7.1 soundtrack, plus you get the extra bonus content to boot.

A movie on a streaming service is about 7gb with a compressed DTS/Dolby Prologic 5.1 soundtrack.

Streaming services are not just there yet, thats why people still buy on discs.

dennett3161087d ago

Well done Gapecanpie, you watch movies in inferior quality with inferior sound...I consider that more backward than owning physical media.
You call it the old way, I call it the better way. If my internet happens to drop, my movie doesn't crap out when I'm watching the Blu Ray...the quality also doesn't suffer if someone else in the house decides to use up some bandwidth.
Finally, ever hear of online shopping? It's been around for years now.

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otherZinc1087d ago

Not more than M$ is making on every SONY PC that comes with Windows! That M$ owns by itself.

dennett3161087d ago

Still trying to make it a competition huh? "But MS makes MORE money off Sony, so they're still better LOLZ!!" Sad.

LAYLOW1087d ago

Just like Microsoft has been making money of off Sony Vaio and windows intergration...nothing to see here folks!

dc11087d ago

Please note that we (as consumers ) purchase the OS as part of the built in component of the computer. Every PC on the market has the same pricing model whether it's HP, IBM, Alien or Sony. Other OS are simply not as user intuitive or integrated into the social or business exchange vocabulary.

Microsoft's OS and Windows products are their bread and butter, representing the very large majority of their corporate earnings. This has been the case since the 80's.

In short, for the past 30 years, if you were an emerging PC production company, you would have no choice but to use the MS OS....unless you plan on being small market red/L dealer.

Jazz41081087d ago (Edited 1087d ago )

Ms is now a part of the bluray consortum so sony will make zero from ms. Look it up. The only people who believe sony owned and made bluray are fanboys.

SniperControl1087d ago

No, Sony are one of the founding members of Blu-Ray, they hold a lot of the patents for it.

dc11087d ago (Edited 1087d ago )

It's fact that sony makes around $2.25 for every blu-ray drive sold.
Reported by business new outlets over the past few years as well as Patch Attack more recently (I know I spelled his name wrong) Attack.

Look it up. It's google knowledge.
:)

Jazz41081087d ago

If anythig sony migt have to pay ms for the codecs used in it but as far A S a piece of the disc that will goto to the publishers so ms will not be giving sony much if anything.

Magicite1087d ago

Sony doesnt own Blu-Ray entirely, theres listing of companies who have rights on it. And if MS is paying royalties then everything is legal.
Im not defending MS, just stating general truth.

dennett3161087d ago

No-one's saying anything is illegal...why even bring that up?

ChrisW1087d ago

@pedrof93,

What part of "Sony doesn't solely OWN the patent are you not understanding?"

There are 14 companies including Sony and as Patch said, "Sony doesn't get money for the drives, they get money for each Blu Ray disc sold (approx 50 cents)."

Meaning MS can completely circumvent paying anything to Sony by placing the costs for the disc into the publishers' hands.

Econ 101

Abdou0231087d ago

Maybe because Microsoft is letting them use Windows on their Laptops ?

It's just business those companies aren't trying to destroy each other, they are just trying to maintain good relations and make money.

They are not Apple.

jeffgoldwin1087d ago (Edited 1087d ago )

"They are not Apple."

Isnt it disgusting how many frivolous lawsuits Apple lawers pursue? Imagine the outcry if MS did that?

I mean a few years back apple sued Samsung for making a rectangular phone in shape claiming apple first came up with that idea. Ya they lost. But what a waste of time and money for most of the lawsuits.

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lnvisibleMan1087d ago

There are are nine electronic companies that own blu ray: Sony, Matsushita, Pioneer, Philips, Thomson, LG Electronics, Hitachi, Sharp, and Samsung.

So any company that uses blu-ray has to pay royalties to the companies listed above.

NukaCola1087d ago

Isn't Toshiba part of the bluray committee as well?

lnvisibleMan1087d ago (Edited 1087d ago )

They actually one of the dominate players for HD DVD format. I dont like using wiki as a source but you go anyway.

'During the high definition optical disc format war, Blu-ray Disc competed with the HD DVD format. Toshiba, the main company that supported HD DVD, conceded in February 2008,[6] releasing its own Blu-ray Disc player in late 2009'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

nunley331087d ago

yeah toshiba is the odd man out just like sony was during the vhs vs beta format wars. ms supported hd-dvd over bluray but toshiba suffered a more public setback from it since they were more vocal about it.

NukaCola1087d ago

Wasn't 100%. Thanks for the clarification and pile of disagrees..lol

Caleb_H1087d ago

So if someone on that list makes a blu ray player do they have to pay all those companies? Just wondering.

lnvisibleMan1087d ago (Edited 1087d ago )

Probably each company payed for research and development, could be wrong I say each are immune from paying each other.

nunley331087d ago

those 9 aren't all equal partners,sony has a bigger stake and say in matters. they were the formats biggest cheerleader and the most active in making it. the others mostly gave support by making players for it.