It seems like it wasn't down to retailers to force bundles upon their customers.
Well that sucks...why forced people to buy games for your system? That's ridiculous.
What is everyone talking about? There definitely was bundles but a standalone system was also available. And multiple bundle options were available for the most popular games. Let me guess people were going to buy the system so that it could look pretty under their tv?
Sony offers lots of free games on top of the free stuff you get from PS+.
Aparently this is a scandal. A very lame one btw.
Did Sony also force the GameStop Xbox One bundles on us as well. Of course I'm kidding here. So what. Let me tell you something, if you waited this long to worry about a day one stand-alone unit, you better act like you know whats good and get you ass in line the night of Thursday November 14th at somebody's Walmart because nobody feels bad for you. Same with people who wanted the Day One Xbox Units. Too bad. You lose. Take your gorgeous Killzone Bundle or get the eff in line.
Lol this is an example of a mountain out of a molehill/storm in a teacup situation. Sony have created bundle boxes, and are mainly shipping those from now on, so people who preorder from now on will of course have to order a bundle. This is to be expected when the standalone unit preorders are fulfilled, and is why if you wanted the console on its own, you should have preordered early. With that said, getting a bundle, for whatever console, is not necessarily a bad thing, because you are bound to be buying one of the launch games anyway.
The issue is that customers ordered standalone PS4, and there is a switch and bait scam going on. Which mean the retailer later tell you have to buy more stuff to get the console long after you pre-ordered. You know when the standalone console is no longer available. We thought Simply Games (etailer) had tried to force onto customers extras. Turns out Sony was the one forcing it! Why aren't anyone mad about this? At least with Xbox One, you knew what you were buying. @gaffyh: "Lol this is an example of a mountain out of a molehill/storm in a teacup situation. Sony have created bundle boxes, and are mainly shipping those from now on, so people who preorder from now on will of course have to order a bundle." That is not what the story is saying. It is saying Sony promised standalone units, but changed their mind and now changing the order to half bundle and half stand alone forcing retailers to force their customers whom already pre-ordered to order a bundled. It is a bait and switch scam and Sony is behind it!
@nukeitall... because its nonsense. Of course the retailer is going to try to make it look like its Sony's own doing. Retailers receive a certain amount of stock to sell as pre orders. There is no way Sony is going to bait and switch a retailer. This is the simply a retailer being greedy and trying to capitalize on potential sales by bloating the price of a console like on Ebay. Don't be fooled by their story, thats not how the pre-order business works. Microsoft wouldn't do this and Sony hasn't done this. The fact that you can go to Amazon.co.uk right now and get a PS4 at 349.99 with a release date of 11/29/13 should let you know that this retailer is full of crap.
@nuke - Well it's not happened with my preorder, and that's with Amazon. SimplyGames is one of the least reputable UK e-retailers. If it was Play, ShopTo, Amazon, or Game, then it would be a big deal. I didn't bother reading the article all the way through before, which is why I assumed the situation was like it was in my previous post.
@eonjay I will with my watchdogs bundle my friend. :)
More worthless click bait BS. "They haven't forced anything. A lot of these bundles are recent developments, and it's not so simple to just say 'we're going to allocate 50% consoles only and 50% bundles only' or some nonsense. There are only so many units that can be manufactured. Certain retailers are offering bundle options to consumers as alternatives first before some of them start offering them to all other customers. It's to prioritise those people with the potentially better value options if it fits their needs. Certain retailers will also have better stock of the hardware so they're able to do the above. Other retailers may not be given as much stock of the console on its own because everyone gets a different allocation, and most will be getting both console and bundles. Now, if a certain retailer is unfortunately not getting enough stock to fulfill day one pre-orders for sole console owners, that is unfortunate if they're having to offer the bundle option as a day one priority instead, but this has absolutely nothing to do with SCE forcing their hand. There certainly isn't some imaginary mandate by SCE. There is more important shit to handle, no offence." http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
@ nukeitall I guess you're so sick of Microsoft getting their comeuppance for their anti-consumer implementations and practices that you'll grasp at anything that you think will paint Sony in the same light, and hope it will become of anything? Read up: http://www.neogaf.com/forum... Your comment is cute.
Ohiostatesman, you are crazy. Sony loves us so much! They do wonderful things for the Earth. That Malware was just to make sure we did not copy stuff or anything. It was within their rights to spy on you.... What? Sony? Sssshhh.... Cannot let that out, it would break a fanboys heart...
This is false, plain and simple. Here's what Sony had to say about the bundle: [The company has told UK retailers to alert those who have pre-ordered PS4 that they now have the option to upgrade to one of these. "It [the mega bundle] is in limited volume, and therefore it is probably going to go mainly to current pre-order customers, then follow-up volume may well be post-Christmas," Gara added. "Starting yesterday, our retail partners are contacting their pre-order customers in order, so starting with the first, working up to when they run out of that special bundle, saying, we now have clarity on exactly what PlayStation 4 bundles we have to offer for day one. Would you like option A, B, C or D? "Everybody who has pre-ordered in the expectation they're getting just the PS4, including the DualShock 4 and the headset - the basic configuration. But as we've worked through the details and worked through the options we've come up with some great bundle offers. And it is only fair the first people in the queue get first chance to get that. "It's a brilliant thing to do for the gamer. In theory there could be some free on day one, but I think it's unlikely, because the people in that queue are going to say yes please."] http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
Wow and all those people who screamed bloody murder when 'sony fanboys' jumped to conclusions. Nice case of hypocrisy above! :)(Not directly above me, btw)
So only 1 retailer is claiming they were forced and not even a popular one. When Amazon, Gamestop, Walmart, etc announce this then we should fairly criticize it
This sounds to me like this one retailer screwed the pooch somehow and are trying to blame it on Sony.
Rent? Borrow? Other options are avaliabke..maybe even cheaper ones...
LOL This story is funny! If a retailer up an told me I couldn't buy my pre-ordered launch day console the way I ordered it and would have to upgrade it to a more costly bundle I would either have them charged with false advertisement or drop that day 1 pre-order and get it in store (unbundled) on launch day. In any case that ISN'T the situation, as pointed out by shadow2797 above in the REAL article explaining this http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... They are simply giving the first people that pre-ordered the option to get the bundle. If you don't want that bundle all you have to do is ignore the email. There is nothing being forced, just some retailer that didn't understand the what Sonys note said or blindly opt to grab those bundles thinking their customers would jump at the chance to change their order. There's a few options here and paying for something you didn't order and don't want isn't the only one. It says "retailers" then only names one and has one anonymous. Why is one anonymous? What repercussion could there be to where this other source would want to hide? These guys were taking day 1, system only pre-orders and are accountable to fulfill that agreement or it's false advertisement.
@ nukeitall: "The issue is that customers ordered standalone PS4, and there is a switch and bait scam going on." no there isn't. i pre-ordered the standalone PS4, and i have not once been forced to get a bundle. you're also taking an e-mail letting people know that they *could* upgrade to the bundle if they wanted to as sony forcing people to buy bundles. i would give you an A for effort, but that was one of the worst attempts at spinning a non-issue into a bait and switch scam i've ever seen.
Larry Hryb, stop sending your spin doctors to submit articles you silly-willy ;D/
Even if they did, so what?
Duplicate: http://n4g.com/news/1367435... Also, it's spun in a desperate attempt to get something, ANYTHING negative about PS4. Shame on Pixel Enemy and CustardTrout for spamming N4G.
who cares if its forced...its bundled with a game and if you dont want the game dont buy the bundle. its not like they bundled a peripheral no one wants 0_o
This is true BUT it is 50% of the retailers stock that is the 2 Killzone bundles and the Watchdogs bundle. They are €500 and €440. There is very limited of the Mega Killzone one with the 2nd controller, Killzone and camera for €500. The first article was BULLSHIT claiming 500 sterling. Who preordered the PS4 in the last 6 months and won't want to grab any one of these great money saving bundles? So nobody will be buying Watchdogs? Okay.
That's not the point. Give people choice not forced decisions. I ordered just the console at the start of June from ShopTo. They have sent me emails this week confirming my Day One purchase. They have also told me of other Day One bundles should I wish to swap but this is only optional. I am sticking with my £349.99 purchase. Glad to have the choice, though. Well done ShopTo - one of the best! It should be illegal to take your order then force you to upgrade. Sounds dodgy to me.
You didn't read what I said. FIFTY PERCENT OF ALL RETAILERS' STOCK WILL STILL BE STANDALONE CONSOLES. What do you think will happen to the bundle that you refused? It goes to the next person until there is none left. What happens when a lot of people don't refuse the bundles like you did (and I say this because already we are running out of the bundles)? Nobody is being forced anything, it would be completely different if all PS4 stock was going to be the official bundles. You are reading it wrong like so many others. BTW you don't want Watch Dogs or Killzone at a discounted price? Are you planning on just staring at your console launch day?
Being forced to buy Killzone, a Controller and Camera is like being forced to have a Foursome with some of Heffs PlayBunnies!
I shouldn't laugh at this but this was too funny.
Not quite. I'd take a playboy bunny anyday over any game console.
Either way gargoyle, they are full of silicone... Gaelic, st pats for sure now.... :) Sadly you got more disagrees..... Site is full of dickless, humourless wet fanboys....
Only difference is killzone, a controller and a camera won't give you Std's.
It's not for forcing the customers, it was forcing the companies to sell the bundles. If Sony didn't "force" it, then a majority of retailers would have just sold the hell out of the stand alone unit. Leaving people that wanted bundles to not be able to get them. It also deters the morons that buy up all the stock to try and flip it on Ebay. Now they have to spend extra on games and accessories and try to get rid of those too. And reading comments below, this statement is bs anyways since this store didn't even offer the official bundles....
We gotta do what to sell what? Those bundles will sell out as well so people better hurry up and buy it. Cause once they sell out, it's time to see me and my "solus" on EBay.
One time sony forced me to have fun. I still haven't quite forgiven them. The nerve.
No way, Sony, Never, they love me they give me free games all the time,they pay my rent and my car.They are not business man trying to make money.NOOOOOOOOOOH WAAAAAAAYYYYYYY
My my, the defense force is out in numbers already. Yikes!
Just like haters looking to grasp on some straws, yikes.
Well this sucks!! What if they run out on Killzone bundles, and they want to force me to buy one with a game I don't want...?!? I would be pissed about placing my pre-order.... Bundles are great, if they have what I'm looking for
They have to try something to get people to buy games. PS3 owners bought quite a few less games than 360 owners. Unless that changed towards the end of the generation, but I never heard about it, if it did.
PS3 software is selling more this year than 360 software. That's a fact. So try to stick to the story at hand.
^^^^^^^^^^^OK maybe this year but try telling your facts about the last 8 years. Fact alot of ppl bought ps3 for blu ray. fact ppl bought ps3 for netflix. FACT no ONE bought 360 for dvd or netflix. Get your facts straight its only natural 360 has the generally high attachment rate. Man sony fanboy defense force over here
It's nto a fact someone paid $400 for a netflix player. Get out of here. here's one. Alot of people only bought 360 because it was the only system out FACT. Xbox only sold that many units becasue for a year or 2 RROD wasn't covered in warranty. This is fun /s this is dumb you know nothing to state fact so just stop trying. As dumb as i look for those stupid points you look just as dumb the difference is my post is all sarcasm.
Thank you, Strife.
According to VG Chartz, X360 has an attach rate of 10.3 and PS3 has an attach rate of 9.2. So there is a pretty big difference.
@shadow2797: A difference of one game? OMG, that's a HUGE difference! That's a far cry from the idiotic fanboy statements like "most people only bought the PS3 for Blu-ray, duurrrrr." The fact of the matter is, even your own link shows PS3 gamers bought almost as many games as X360 gamers did.
Attach rate is pretty even between the two. Just more people buy more of specific titles on the 360, as opposed to a broader range of titles like on the PS3. If it makes you feel better, the Vita and the 3DS both have higher attach rates than either the PS3 or 360 though. Chew on that for a while. Also VG charts is saying they're both too high. Most sources put them at around mid 8's. Also...lol at using VGChartz as a source.
Attach rates depends by region. Who knows what the numbers really is because not all the markets are tracked and if you are using Vgchartz, take it with a grain of salt.
Wii U has bundles......XB1 has bundles... Every console EVER had bundles. Was this written by somebody who has played a video game?
Some times (by which I mean most times) people don't want to pay extra money for forced bundles. I just want my console, I don't want to pay for extra shit I don't want. I am still looking for a PS3 Slime (500 GB) without a forced bundle attached to it.
Here we go,You just opened the flood gates of Sony Fan boys.Seems Internet are full of Loyal Sony lovers
Disagrees sure are telling signs
Every console maker does that nothing new It's just like when other tech stuff launches there are always bundles
I call BS on this "report". Sony as a manufacturer takes orders for their PS4 consoles. Store A orders 100 standalone PS4s and when Sony takes that order that is the agreement. Sony must deliver those 100 consoles as per the purchase order placed by store A. The delivery time is a different issue. If demand has left certain last orders place with Sony on longer lead times, meaning they wont arrive by the release date. Sony might have bundle skus that have been in production and they can advice store A of these other skus they can deliver for release date. It is up to store A to say, "no, please try to expedite my current order or ship partials so I at least get some consoles by launch date" or they can say " please change my order from100 standalone skus to 50 standalone skus and 50 bundle skus". It is up to the store to decide what skus they buy from Sony as they are the customer. It works the same as you going to a store and buying a game. If they are out they tell you we are out and they might suggest another available game but they will never take your money and tell you we dont have your game fo you have to take this other one and you cant have your money back. There are laws that a manufacturer must follow and what this story indicates is that Sony is breaking them by changing orders and invoicing their customers more money. Sorry, not buying the story. I can believe Sony cant supply the standalone consoles and the store decided to order the bundles instead to be able to sell consoles on launch date. They promised consoles and instead of saying we wont get the consoles we ordered or we placed our orders past the deadline so we can only offer packages now to our customers. They just dont want to lose the sale and tell customers its Sony focing this which would be a lie as it would be illegal. Ti be honest not sure the story is even real. An annonymous source? Right. No manufacturer of any product can legally change a purchase order from a distributor/reseller. That would be a SOX violation. Only the customer can approve a change order.
to make money?....
Forced ? Are u serious! I pre-ordered only system on 16 june, planning to get games via digital download. But I never forced to buy a bundle.
I got a phone call Wednesday from GAME asking me if I wanted a Bundle I said yes of course here's my bundle , Ps4 with a years live with Drive Club plus KillZone SF all for £439 yeah .
Imagine if Microsoft did this...
They are with kinect and people don't like it.
If Sony is then they need to stop. They should honor the original agreement or give them some sort of bonus for having to upgrade. Say the camera for free...
Kinect isn't "forced" in a bundle, it is included with the system. The people that complain most about Kinect seem to be Playstation fans.
@death that straight BS and you know it xbox fans have been complaining about kinect for the longest so please stop u think they don't want the xone to be cheaper when it's beneficial to them most people would like that option.
The assumption you make is the system would be cheaper without Kinect. What is to prevent Microsoft from dropping the system price to $399 and still include the camera? The BS is people saying no one wants Kinect included. None of my friends have complained about it. I'm personally looking forward to what devs can do with it knowing everyone has it. That is the line between being a gimmick like the original Kinect and PSEye has been and will be.
@Death the amount of money MS put into kinect u really think that would be a smart business decision to sell it separately when everyone knows allot of people won't buy it, u call the PSeye a gimmick at least its only $60 and sold separately so who will complain about that, i want you to go on Xboxlive and ask people how many times they used their kinect today or for the whole year because i know a ton of xbox gamers who put kinect to the side and just play games with a normal controller matter of fact have u used kinect today or for the whole week i'm guessing no. @xboxfun u will take anything from MS so be quiet.forcing a share button dufaq is wrong with you your just anti Sony everyday i see.
@lovable: There is a big difference though. What Sony is forcing the retailers to do, is called a bait and switch scam. It is illegal! MS isn't forcing you, because you knew what you were buying and agreed upon, even if you did NOT want Kinect One.
I like it with Kinect. If you don't want Kinect, get a PS4. If you want a cheaper system then get a WiiU. But don't sit here and say no one wants Kinect or Kinect is forced on you. It is no more forced on us than the a controller that comes with the system Again, it's only the sony fanboys that seem to be looking out for the welfare of us Xbox fans and letting everyone know that they won't buy an Xbox One because MS "forced" Kinect on them. Sony forced the share button on me, I never wanted that on my controller!
@Xsilver And you will gladly open wide for anything Sony shoves, so please stop. A share button being forced is just as ridiculous as saying the Kinect 2 is forced. That was my whole point, but a tool like you who does nothing but slam MS can't see that. If you don't want the Kinect, don't buy the Xbox One. Plain and simple right? I mean hell even a little child knows this. But for some unknown reason we get people like you spreading troll nonsense like "it's forced!" on the consumer. Absolute stupid logic right there.
@xboxfun are u comparing a product against a button and think that's smart logic well clearly your not smart your name is xbox fun clearly a troll don't know how u managed to have two bubbles.