Submitted by NYC_Gamer 697d ago | interview

Microsoft to unlock more GPU power for Xbox One developers

EG:Xbox One reserves 10 per cent of graphics resources for Kinect and apps functionality, Digital Foundry can confirm, with Microsoft planning to open up this additional GPU power for game development in the future. This, and further graphics and performance-based information was revealed during our lengthy discussions with two of the architects behind the Xbox One silicon. (Xbox One)

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majiebeast  +   697d ago | Funny
Wouldnt this destroy the balance?
Magicite  +   697d ago
The less time for xbone launch, the more surprises M$ is announcing.
Lalanana  +   697d ago | Well said
i got no complains with this. the more power the better. Keep it coming MS.
pedrof93  +   697d ago

Actually no.

Its the same power, that was reserved to the kinect, and in the future will go to the games, its not more tflops.
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georgeenoob   697d ago | Off topic | show
Dlacy13g  +   697d ago
As long as the increases that come can't be detrimental to the hardware I don't have any issue with them
Lalanana  +   697d ago

so less power is better? Am i missing something..

why no? I do not understand why it would be no :-/
Kayant   697d ago | Off topic | show
awesomeperson  +   697d ago | Well said

I believe what pedro is saying, is that this is actually confirmation there is *less* GPU "power" at launch than what was previously announced.

Microsoft are currently withholding 10% of their GPU for apps, to be given back later when this can inevitabley be optimised. We take the previously announced 1.31 TFlops and remove 10%, giving only 1.18 TFlops.

So Microsoft are shipping with a weaker GPU than specs say (1.18TFlops), and in the future devs will be given back some of that power (between 1.18 TFlops and 1.31 TFlops).


Even though you're simply a troll, of course this doesn't reduce any sort of performance gap between the two. It actually works in Sony's favour.

Overall - this article is written by Leadbetter. Take it lightly. It is deliberatley worded to sound as if it is in Microsoft's favour, when it is not.

And for those thinking that if the Xbox One has this performance restriction, than the PS4 does aswell, this is due to the use of the Snap feature and similar apps. PS4 does not have such ability, and its reliance on a single OS (instead of 3) will likely lead to a much, much lower overhead.
SilentNegotiator  +   697d ago
"I love that MS is actively eliminating any advantage competition might bring"

They brought up the clock slightly and want to unlock a sliver reserved for Kinect. They didn't "eliminate" the 50% power advantage; they shrunk it slightly.

Developers can't even use this 10% until Microsoft, you know, ACTUALLY unlocks it as opposed to just making a promise. So enjoy seeing that tiny increase in 2+ years.
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P0werVR  +   697d ago
Microsoft without a doubt has the capabilities and know how to provide necessary resources to all developers.

All is left now is to invest more into first party development, especially for using every bit of their hardware, in contrast to current gen.
JokesOnYou  +   697d ago | Well said
hmmm just let micro handle their business, everyone pretends to be experts on hardware they have never touched, while engineers who created the architecture continue to prove them wrong. As I said before alot of folks are going to be surprised when they see just what the customized X1 hardware is capable of, well yeah but they will still downplay the results. I mean look at the launch games already instead of pushing upgraded graphics some are doing some things that really feel next gen, and in game tech for overall better games so early in this gen while still looking amazing.
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Blackdeath_663  +   697d ago
you are not gaining power, you are just loosing less of it to apps,OS,kinect and other function. increased clock speed however is always a good thing you just need to keep in mind overclocking/upclocking any device reliability takes a hit sometime this can be a big and not worth it sometimes its a little hit i don't imagine there will be any issues though i think MS are working on optimising the XBone more than anything i'm guessing they were playing it safe at first but are stepping it up and taking chances to compete with opposition
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devwan  +   697d ago
Is this really a surprise? We always knew there was going to be a performance hit on the xbox one with the way it snaps and multitasks secondary software. The 10% figure was even rumoured/guessed at before.

What we might not have expected was for Leadbetter to come along and spin the whole thing as a positive to look forward to in future, when it's clearly an admission that, you know, this console that's already quite underpowered vs the ps4, the one they've been desperately trying to play the numbers game with, well, you can forget 10% of the GPU numbers because the game devs don't have them... but one day that might not be as bad as 10%, they might make it less.

The fact is, if they wanted to create a set top box that could do all the extra stuff -and- play games as good as the competition, they needed to be producing hardware that was at least 1.5 times stronger, not fairly substantially weaker... xbox one is clearly not the choice for gamers, it's for couch potatoes who might like to play a game now and again take it or leave it.
n4rc  +   697d ago
Why do people always look at things in the most negative way possible?

Look at the games now... They look awesome and have sold a ton of preorders based on them.. And they are saying there is 10% more power to be unlocked..

So how is that a negative? We don't play tflops..
darthv72  +   697d ago
if all of this power unlocking is done via software then wouldn't it be akin to the performance gains that video cards get with new drivers?

Also, not to take away MS thunder but....wouldnt the PS4 be able to achieve similar things via software as well?
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gaffyh  +   697d ago
It's like with PSP when Sony announced the up clock, but they were smart enough not to mention it before the thing even launched lol. Still at least this shows that MS are thinking of future proofing to an extent.
FlunkinMonkey  +   697d ago

If your comment is 'well said' like someone has implied by bubbling you up, then i am Vishnu's granddaughter ..
hazeblaze  +   697d ago
Lol... Because they're basically trying to say there is the possibility for XBone to only be 30-35% less powerful than the PS4!
princejb134  +   697d ago
lol MS seems desperate to catch up to ps4 power
didnt they learn from this gen that rushing products out without testing can lead to failure * cough cough red ring cough cough*
MazzingerZ  +   697d ago
They make it sound like increasing over the known specs but actually it rather means getting close to what the machine can deliver...so not sure where the good news are

It's like saying, you are getting 10 GB extra on your HDD, it wouldn't mean the xbox shipping with 510 GB HDD but rather the reserved space in the HDD for the OS has been reduced 10 GB

By the way, the X1 info states that the OS reserved memory space represents a "considerable" part of the HDD space...any specific news about that? PS4 hasn't being specific about this matter either
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NewMonday  +   697d ago
Nice spin going on here

This actually confirms the PS4 Has even more power with a 60% advantage
lawgone  +   697d ago

I just wanted to take a moment to salute you for being so clever and original. The way you take the abbreviation for Microsoft - MS - but use a dollar sign instead of an S...it's brilliant! M$! It's like you're saying that they are a corporation and care about profits whereas Sony is an honest, gamer-loving entity that does not care about profits. So deep man! :)
Magicite  +   696d ago
Better now?
black0o  +   696d ago
miss leading title .. it should be like ''MS will allow devs to use 100% of the gpu sometime in the future''
UnholyLight  +   696d ago
Im really not all that surprised by the constant stream of info rolling out. It was always the plan leading up to launch..Even Sony..That you sort of "trickle feed" the masses every couple of weeks until launch to keep people talking about the consoles.
thexmanone  +   696d ago

Enjoy your 60% Slower PSN and more powerful PS4.

Anarki  +   696d ago
But they have already started mass producing them? can this be simply upgraded via update?
miDnIghtEr20C_SfF  +   696d ago
Very impressive and show's how this sites fanboys run who gets bubbles and "well saids" and "trolling"

You have 21 more agrees than disagrees and you were able to say "xbone" and "M$" together in your once sentence post.

I wish this sites founder could see this shit.
Kryptix  +   696d ago
According to the article, 10% of the Xbox One's GPU power goes exclusively to the Kinect, OS features, and apps. Problem is that how will developers fully access that whole 10% without hindering Kinect function? I'm guessing the coding can become more simplified and sped up to use less space which leaves more room for in-game graphics processing. What they fail to mention is that not all that 10% will be accessible because the Kinect will still need some of that power for it to function. We might only see a %5 improvement in graphics and 5% still reserved for Kinect, OS features and apps. After the overclock and now this, you can't deny Microsoft is only playing catch up to the PS4's power. Even the article makes it clear that the PS4 still more powerful than the Xbox One.

"PlayStation 4's 32 ROPs are generally acknowledged as overkill for a 1080p resolution (the underlying architecture from AMD was never designed exclusively just for full HD but for other resolutions such as 2560x1400/2560x1600 too), while Xbox One's 16 ROPs could theoretically be overwhelmed by developers."


"They are constantly listening to complaints on the Internet and quickly acting on it."

I see you're still living in your own world up in the clouds. Funny how the whole Xbox community was complaining about always online 2 months prior to the reveal and Microsoft didn't give two shits about them. If your bubble hasn't popped yet and your mind brought back to logical understanding then you really are completely blind and therefore an Xbot.
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Hellsvacancy  +   696d ago
"hmmm just let micro handle their business, everyone pretends to be experts on hardware"

Read your own words buddy and take note!
OlgerO  +   697d ago | Well said
The Spin on this is Glorious!! this means that 10 percent of the existing GPU is used for OS and kinect making the power difference even bigger in playstations favour. they simply stated that they will try to reduce the amount of GPU needed for kinect and OS over time.
RenegadeRocks  +   697d ago
Bingo ! Another PR move by MS ready to get messy ! This console launch is so enjoyable !
lfPetrini  +   697d ago
Of course this favours PS4 even more, everybody knows while Xone will use part of its hardware for the OS, PS4 is gonna use 100% of its for the games, the OS is probrably gonna work under alien technology.
cellfluid   697d ago | Trolling | show
pyramidshead  +   697d ago
Pretty much, not to mention a weaker GPU at that. Judging by the comments the koolaid is in full flow.

The Ps4 will obviously use some but for only one OS whereas the Xb1 has three.
nypifisel  +   697d ago
It really is lol. "Unlocking more power" when what the article really told us was that the advantage of the PS4 GPU was even greater than we though. X1 GPU just went from 1.31Tflop to 1.18 Tflop meaning the PS4 GPU is 56% more powerful.. Oh boy, that Kinect just gets worse by the day!
xKugo  +   697d ago
I'm curious, though. How are they going to do this without sacrificing resources for the "Snap Mode". Does this mean good-bye snap because you can't free up GPU usage without taking it from a previously used source. I my opinion, this is just confirmation that the system was not built with games in mind because if it was, it wouldn't have 10% of it's most important component taken up by some crap add on camera.
n4rc  +   697d ago
By your logic... Then how do you explain the minuscule gap in games when its actually 10% bigger difference?

What are we up to now with you.. 60% weaker?

Funny... Games look pretty damn equal to me
Lykon  +   697d ago
I'd rather have a bmw than a tarted up nisan micra
deadfrag  +   697d ago
what this seems to mean is that future wise kinect will most likely not come bundle with the X1.If they are taking the 10% of gpu power that kinect uses and give it back to the machine than whats the use of kinect?

"Xbox One reserves 10 per cent of graphics resources for Kinect and apps functionality,"

So what will happen to kinect and the apps without the 10%..........Simple shovelware will die and M$ can finally give me an X1 without shovelware kinect at a better price.Or this is actually BS talk from Microsoft again!
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Ju  +   697d ago
"Funny... Games look pretty damn equal to me"

In Youtube videos. In reality it's somewhere 1080@60fps vs. 900p@30 (oh, right. This was a design choice).
thekhurg  +   696d ago
My favorite part of the article is how they actually try to defend 720p and 900p as being as awesome as 1080p.
Tooly  +   696d ago
exactly reduce those Tflops
n4rc  +   696d ago
Wtf are you talking about ju?

I can point to x1 games running 1080-60 and ps4 games that can't reach it...

Whats the point? selective reasoning is a bitch.. Lol
Ju  +   696d ago
I can point to a PS3 game which runs 1080@60...Riiiidggeee Raaaccerrr...
RenegadeRocks  +   697d ago
This will be to balance the balance that might get disbalanced when PS4 versions of games start performing better :P !
torchic  +   697d ago
do you have to wear wear New Balance sneakers while working at Microsoft? what about a balanced breakfast? do Microsoft engineers drive cars with adjustable brake balance? how many times do they check their bank balance?

I love balance.
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BlueShirt7749  +   697d ago
Maybe joining here was a mistake with stupid posts like this one.

Nah I'm just really going to enjoy bubbling down people!!
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guerojose  +   697d ago
So, the system is perfectly balanced, with 300% more power from the cloud, and is not under powered in any way? And they're increasing clock speed, and decreasing system overhead, all to provide even MORE power?

Sorry, it's getting hard to keep up with all the spin.
Beastforlifenoob  +   696d ago
Guys if you are hating on specs lets all hate the WII U because it has the WORRRRRRRSTTTTT specs and features of any game console beign sold today.

Lets let that piece of junk burn (the wiiu)
bednet  +   696d ago
I see it like a drag race between a corvette (PS4) a mustang (XBOne) and a civic (WiiU).

Everyone knows the corvette will smoke the mustang, but it's still a nice race...while everyone ignores the civic.

Then on the sidelines, you've got the Ferrari (gaming PC), rolling its eyes.
sonarus  +   697d ago
lol @ destroying the balance. I love how microsoft will say one thing yet do another. Still kudos to them for realizing they are lagging behind in the graphics department and taking the necessary steps to try to upgrade that
devwan  +   696d ago
The necessary steps seem to amount to promises of vague possibilities down the line... that's not taking necessary steps, that's leaving people with baseless hope and setting them up for disappointment.

In fact there's so much coming to xbox one in the years after this year's launch that maybe they should have taken another year to get things in order first? Might have avoided at least a few of the weekly PR disasters.
Animal Mutha 76  +   697d ago
Based on the text it's more balanced because it's freeing up unused cycles not used by apps when possible.

So no it wouldn't.
cell989  +   697d ago
this will in fact disrupt dat balance
Beastforlifenoob  +   696d ago
Id tap dat balance
subskrib 2 mi utube
Beastforlifenoob  +   696d ago
Id tap dat balance
subskrib 2 mi utube
GribbleGrunger  +   697d ago
So basically this article confirms that the X1 holds 10% of the GPU power in reserve for Kinect and snap mode ... and it 'might' improve in the future. All this confirms is that the gap between the consoles is MORE than 50%. Keep quiet MS, you're making it worse.
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wsoutlaw87  +   696d ago
ya they never should have said a thing because when people were talking numbers they were counting 100% but now its more like 90
pyramidshead  +   696d ago
lol exactly. Anyone thinking this is good news is kinda washing over the facts a little.
Looks like I got marked for trolling for telling the truth apparently :x.
DJMarty  +   697d ago
MS Console failures expected to rise to 70%+ as usual..........LOL
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Evilsnuggle  +   697d ago
Wow all the xbone one 80 rumors seem to be true. This was a old rumor that xbone OS used 6% of its GPU. This is more than the old rumor this 10% .this is not good news for xbone it means xbone os is a resources hog.
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donman1  +   697d ago
And the XboxOne will also cook you dinner. Microsoft seriously... give it a rest and send your PR guys on vacation.
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KiLLeRCLaM  +   696d ago
Xbox is Windows and Windows is PC but I wouldn't pick a xbox if I already have a PC.. PS4 is where it's at..
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BoriboyShoGUN  +   696d ago
What happen to the "all mighty cloud" thought it was going to give it all the extra power it needed?????
This XBOX news just gets funnier by the second.
grassyknoll  +   697d ago
I love the way Microsoft are so desperate to be seen as the most powerful console. They could have been $150 cheaper if they didn't include Kinect. What a mess they've created for themselves.
XB1_PS4  +   697d ago
Or even cheaper, there was an article a while back saying the Kinect is almost the same cost to manufacture as the Xb1 itself.
GrandTheftZamboni  +   697d ago
And it still needs GPU resources from the main box...
grassyknoll  +   697d ago
It wouldn't surprise me. A think a Kinectless SKU will be out within a year & a half max.
Blachek  +   697d ago
I thought most the computational requirements needed for the Kinect were housed within the unit itself.

I imagine the 10% they have partitioned is a conservative value that just determines how the kinect inputs directly to the console, not how it runs.
devwan  +   696d ago
@Blachek No...

""Xbox One has a conservative 10 per cent time-sliced reservation on the GPU for system processing. This is used both for the GPGPU processing for Kinect and for the rendering of concurrent system content such as snap mode," Microsoft technical fellow Andrew Goossen told us."

The Kinect doesn't process the signal, it packages up the data and gives it to the xbox one to work on. It's using the GPU for GPGPU processing and it's doing this using all cores for 10% of the frame along with snap functionality, not a constant 10% of 8 cores all the time.

They do it that way because it's far simpler for them and devs to manage, it's always there and always locked off. Going the other way, where they aim to gain back a portion of this 10% of GPU power, can be achieved in a few ways, the simplest of which would be to have more efficient code... but that's not going to add up to much unless the existing routines are massively wasteful.

Another way would be to allow devs to completely lock out snap and Kinect processing, by user request, in order to allow the game to have much more of that 10% back... but then that would make a mockery of the system's ethos.

A third way would be to cleverly interleave the GPGPU into the frame where there are GPU idle times (there are a surprising amount of these during the frame). The problem here is that it's not possible to do this wholesale, it'd have to be done by hand for each and every game on a game-by-game basis . The real problem here is, the xbox one is already a more difficult machine for developers to work with due to the esram... this kind of additional work is only really practical for first party studios that are working closely with microsoft's engineers and who have budgets that aren't as tight as typical 3rd parties.

This is why ever seeing a 10% hike in GPU performance down the line is highly unlikely (and this 10% is obviously 10% of the actual figures microsoft have bee throwing around recently, not an additional 10% on top). It'll only be a percentage of that 10% and, in the real world, probably won't even register as a blip compared to other improvements in efficiency gained a few years down the line when devs better understand how to deal with the esram headaches.
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onyoursistersback  +   697d ago
I hate rumors but,
There saying there getting 3% more battery life off there controllers too!!!
With a 2% in cooling, added with a 50% more bull 5hit.
Drekken  +   697d ago
How does this make them stronger? All of the number discussed about the performance of the Xbox has been the base performance of the card without figuring the 10% withheld for kinect apps. This news just confirms the xbox is weaker than its strength on paper.

This is not good news.
BlueShirt7749  +   697d ago
I have to say the more I hear about the XB1 GPU the more excited I am for the Xbox One. I won't be upgrading immediately because I love my 360.. but the One is looking better each day!!
Drekken  +   697d ago
XB1 GPU has just been confirmed to be 10% weaker than it was known to be yesterday... today they issued a statement that might release the 10% down the road.

I don't understand your excitement. They can't just add 10% on top of the power we already knew. If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.
LogicStomper  +   697d ago

He has a right to his excitement. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe, just maybe, people have their own personal preference?

He's allowed to be excited for the Xbox One just like how you're excited for your favored console. So, I think you should keep that bridge of yours and get over it.
kingduqc  +   696d ago
I see a lot of people getting excited that the new gpu is getting 10% overclock.

The fact stays the same: The xbox one gpu is basically a low tier gpu crammed into a black box. No magic here guys, it'S nothing impressive.

Ps4 is more capable for sure, but it's still a low/mid end card. In 2011 the 7970 released... currently selling for like 250$ with 3 free games of your choice (worth 120$) it's severely destroying both gpus on the new consoles.

I mean, it's fun to get all excited for new consoles and I can't wait to see what new IPs comme out of this gen but don't get excited about hardware please because it's like being happy you got a calculator for Christmas.

The problem I see here happening is that Microsoft did 2 overclock back to back. about 20% more performance, usually an overclocked can achieve with good air cooling on a pc gpu about that range of overclock. Here's the deal... The cooling on a pc case is much vastly superior to what you can do inside a small box like a console. Could we end up having RROD on our hard because Microsoft is trying to close the gap by pushing their tiny box too much?
devwan  +   696d ago
@GLI2013 Wow... just WOW...

I wonder how excited you'd be if Microsoft decided to lock off 25% of the GPU for the system to use and promise to give it back "one day"... that would be amazing, right?! 25% possible increase in future!! yeah!!!1
pyramidshead   697d ago | Trolling | show | Replies(3)
Insomnia_84   697d ago | Trolling | show
Ohlmay  +   697d ago | Well said
How does the Xbox One reserving 10% of it's GPU power bad news?
Computersaysno  +   697d ago
How did you get a 'Well said' in less than 30 minutes with hardly any agrees (or disagrees for that matter) and a sentence that is actually anything but well said? Makes no sense. LOL

But anyway.

Yeah so Xbone's GPU performance is restricted even further by kinect considerations, and it'll be a while before Microsoft unlock the rest it seems. Way to 'squeeze every last drop of power (they say)' out their their 'perfectly balanced (they say)' and 'highly optimised (they say)' architecture by reserving 10 percent for kinect whether a game needs 10 percent or 1 percent.

Fail much??

They are really trying desperately to push this PR about their machine being 'powerful' after so many articles and comments from people pointing out how it is slower than PS4.

Why are they still on about it, when they said they would let their games do the talking.

Seems they just can't do that right now. Far too much spin for my liking, I really hate the way they are trying to go about this before launch.

Spin, spin, spin. I haven't heard Sony banging on like this, and I don't really want to.
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Blachek  +   697d ago
He got a well said because it's a justifiable question.

The hardware for the Kinect is housed in the Kinect. It does not require the CPU or the GPU within the XB1 to gather and process the information from it's sensors or camera.

What has Sony set aside for the PS Eye to work? Any ide?
shadow2797  +   697d ago
"It does not require the CPU or the GPU within the XB1 to gather and process the information from it's sensors or camera."

Apparently it does, or they wouldn't be reserving 10% of the GPU for it and Snap.

Sony doesn't set anything aside for the PS Eye to work. Instead they let the developers decide how resources are distributed. That's what they've always done. Sony also has a separate chip for multitasking and handling background tasks.

I'm struggling to understand how 10% less power than anticipated can be a good thing. The fact that they'll let developers use some of that lessens the blow, but it's still disappointing.
cell989  +   697d ago
Sony does not have to reserve anything genius. The PSv eye is not mandatory. only games that require the Eye will take resources from the processing power, games that dont, can use 100% power, logic.
Computersaysno  +   697d ago
Its not a sentence let alone a question. Not in the English language anyway.

Microsoft did indeed say that there was no overhead but in fact there is whether you need it or want it or not. That's a big fail.
boneso82  +   696d ago
It may have been a good question (i don't think it is) but it was certainly not "well said"...
Drekken  +   697d ago
It is BAD news because the 50% more powerful PS4 stat is not based on another 10% being reserved. So it is more 56% more powerful until MS releases the extra...
Goku781  +   697d ago
Why keep bringing this stuff up. Makes them sound so desperate. Do it first then tell how much stronger your system is.
MikeNike310  +   697d ago
Yes but sometimes people ask the same questions and you want to give a good answer. I see nothing wrong with that.
Edvin1984  +   697d ago
I have a feeling once November comes, and my vacation kicks in and I am playing KillZone and Killer Instinct I wont care about 10-40% difference, as I will be enjoying my games. Whats really funny I doubt I will play either next gen system more than my WiiU, as Wind Waker was one game I missed back in the day, and I am hooked. Un like a lot of gamers here I do not have the pleasure to game more than 2 hours a day if I am lucky since married life sucks lol.
mcstorm  +   697d ago
Lol its nice to see im not alone in thinking the same way about the consoles. I have a Xbox one on pre order but only decided to get KI and Forza 5 a launch and I then pre orderd Pikmin 3 and Wonderful101 (Which I now have) as well as Sonic Lost Worlds, Mario 3D, Zelda Windwaker, and DK (But that has been put back until next year now :() As well as Pokémon X for the 3DS.

For me im bored of all the shooters and about time we see some other games by the big names. The one and PS4 look amazing consoles but just like the PSV it needs the games to back it up. I will get more games for the xbox one like project Sparks that looks interesting but im having a break from all the FPS games for a bit as played way to many over the last 8 years.
strickers  +   697d ago
You aren't interested in any PS4 games? This attitude that PS4 has no games is self delusion or bollocks.
Games are not system dependant but to say no games on any system interest you( even the very weak Wii U line up) is absurd.
All the systems have games. You may prefer a line up( I think PS4 is a long way ahead) but I couldn't say NO XB1 games interest me.
cell989  +   697d ago
if time is of the essence why even own so many consoles? I have a Ps3/Vita and I cant even play that much, let alone if I had a WiiU/PS3?360/vita/ds I would go into overdrive
UncleGermrod  +   696d ago
Well that depends what ya wanna play. I own a ps3, but it's basically a $300 "uncharted machine". I played last of us, and that was sick. But other than that, I play gears/CoD on my xbox. I enjoy other games when i can, but I think his point is valid: he buys a console for the specific games he wants to play...rather than just ramble off a list of exclusives (including the ones he doesn't even want). For some of us, it's not about money, amount of exclusives, or specs. Truth be told, and call me crazy, but i would gladly trade the enitre ps3 lineup in exchange for all the drunken MP sessions I've had with my friends in Gears. At the end of the day, all the sweaty, greasy, nit-picking, spec-loving, fanboy dweebs in the world coudlnt talk me out of my own opinions. I'll throw some cash at the thin punk behind the counter at best-buy, get both my consoles this nov, play what i want, and that will be that. k there boss?
LordDhampire  +   697d ago
Lol you lost me a at wii u, yeah wind waker is an awesome game but...after that then what, wait till they remake majoras mask? Nintendo is getting out of control....

Also you wont care about the power difference because you'll be to angry at how bad KI is
Stuntz  +   697d ago
LMAO i cant stop laughing at people saying this is bad, how much more do you want to prove your insecurities you have with the PS4? Please stfu this is nothing but pure bliss, NOV 22nd greatness arrives. Best games, Best features, best experience.
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guerojose  +   697d ago
LMAO at the people who are so emotionally invested in Xbox that they refuse to acknowledge what an obvious bag-o-hurt this console is.
LogicStomper  +   697d ago
LMAO at the people who are insecure about their purchase being 'the best', that they have to go around bashing others just to feel a bit more secure about themselves.
UncleGermrod  +   696d ago
hahaha emotionally, cmon man stop this nonsense. If someone wants an xbox, let em get it. Idk i mean ps4 seems great, and ill get one, but i chose xbox 1 first. i have my reasons and so does anyone else. Theres really no emotion involved
LordMaim  +   697d ago
You want to know how this is bad? The Kinect interface was suffering latency issues before with 10% processing power reserved. How bad is it going to be now with that reserve taken? Why bother with the Kinect at all if this is how they're going to handle it? They're treating it like a peripheral, not a necessary component, and now they're raiding its resources.
MikeNike310  +   697d ago
Have we actually seen the final build of the Kinect working?
LordDhampire  +   697d ago
Lol, your the monst insecure here, you do realize that they are unlocking 10 percent to bring it up to 1.31, the amount already stated, justmeaning it will be weaker at launch then what they had promised

Also greatness is a ps4 slogan, ....your as bad as microsoft so unoriginal
Drekken  +   697d ago
We could both waste all of our bubbles trying to explain this to them and they still won't get it. They think this statement is bumping it up to 1.45.
max0583  +   696d ago
I agree people just sit on their computers waiting for any XB1 news to spin it and make them self feel good they are buying a PS4.Guys get a life,their is more than sitting on a screen looking to bash MS.
FrigidDARKNESS  +   697d ago
You won't see this on lauch titles it will be the second generation of xb1 games that will take advantage of this.
MikeNike310  +   697d ago
I hope so. I am really pulling for the Xbox One to be great.
vigilante_man  +   697d ago
Despite it being less powerful than the PS4 it will be great. It is way more powerful than both 360/PS3 and if Microsoft actually keep following Sony's lead and create great first party games then the sky is the limit.

Microsoft just need to stop talking about power and gpu because it is making them look foolish and desperate. Concentrate on the games and they will be fine.

Both systems will be great and I am excited for all of us on here who will be enjoying next gen greatness very soon.
4logpc  +   697d ago
The spin some people are trying to put on this is beyond idiotic.

anyways...This type of thing always happens. Once they drivers evolve, the manufacture can then up clocks and get more speed out of the console.
FrigidDARKNESS  +   697d ago
This has nothing to do with upclocking speed. Anandtech.com has said the xb1 gpu is a mono stereo design similar to the new AMD gpu.
quenomamen  +   697d ago
And so will PS4 devs, so what ? Xbone still underpowered.
christocolus  +   697d ago
pls get lost...this title has nothing to do with you guys obviously..its a great idea for ms to do this...and xbox fans will be the ones who benefit from it along with the devs... so pls why again are you even here? you guys have so many ps4 articles to follow but restrict yourselves and sit at your pcs waiting eagerly for news on the xbx one even more so than those who plan to get it...get a life or restrict your ignorance to ps comment sections and allow those interested in the console to make comments...bunch of immature guys here..its almost like you guys are so scared to see ms actually announce something positive..kinect is bad,increase in gpu bad, more unanounced games bad..whats with you guys?..dont you ever plan to grow up?..damn....you guys behave like immature spoilt kids..you make everyone so sick..
5eriously  +   697d ago
@ ChristcockWhatever!
Buthurt much. This just reminds me of the time the PS3 was launched. Only the role's are now reversed.

I do not take this as good news. Are M$ so desperate for more power? I thought the eXBone was so powerful already now M$ has to scrounge a few % here and there to make it sell?..The question is WHY? It should have ample reserve power at this stage of the game? If I had a preorder for it I would have cancelled it based on this "good" news as I would be damn worried. Seems to me the console is underpowered and badly designed for real.
thejoker1000  +   697d ago
i think they will have alot of problems at launch that's for sure
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DrGonzo  +   697d ago
Im not a fanboy for either console, but don't all these last minute tweaks and broad sweeping changes make it seem like Microsoft just wasn't ready for next gen to start? Seems like they were kinda caught with their pants down with the negative reaction after E3 and they've been trying to patch things up ever since.
mhunterjr  +   697d ago
Anyone who know anything about consumer product launches knows that these tweaks and changes happen all the time. People are just making a big deal out of microsofts tweaks because the perceived 'desperation' from MS helps validate their purchase decisions... For whatever reason.
DrGonzo  +   697d ago
fair enough but why is Microsoft advertising all of them? Microsoft is the one shining a light every time they make a change to the system. Its difficult to blame people about the XB1 public perception when it seems like every other week they are coming out and saying "HEY GUYS, WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO THE COMPETITION!"

Its just the wrong way of showing off your product to the public. Show us how its better, don't just tell us. Specs don't mean a thing if you can show the public something that will really WOW them.
mhunterjr  +   697d ago

I would buy that if Microsoft was actually 'advertising' anything. Microsoft (and Sony) sends information regularly to developers about changes to hardware and software. It gives them the information they need to make informed decisions about their games. Once the information gets out the the public, the public adds all kinds of speculation to it.

This particular article, was Microsoft answering a question that the a member of the media asked them. Had they ignored the question, the same folks accusing them of 'advertising' would be on here accusing them of 'hiding' or 'being ashamed' of their hardware.

There's absolutely nothing Microsoft can do to avoid negative comments in any article that mentions the xbox1.
pacostacos  +   697d ago
as the OS's get optimized and streamlined in the future it will open up more power for BOTH consoles this is what happened least gen also ... the ps4 also reserves power some of its functions
BX81  +   697d ago
Sweet. I like that they keep tweeking the system for the better. I just hope it runs smoothly at launch.
quenomamen  +   697d ago
Lets explain this for the COD heads in the room. They are NOT magically adding a 10% more powerful GPU, they are just transferring power that is being used by something else. The car still only has 200 horsepower. They just removed the AC system to free up another 2 ponies. There, now you fanboys can go towel off since you guys got all wet.
Regis  +   697d ago
Please don't use cars as an analogy it gets old quickly.
JeffGUNZ  +   697d ago
@ quenomamen

Just stfu and go post in the PS4 section. No one wants your explanation, your car analogy is awful too. They reduced power from one area to use on other areas, we get it. If they freed up any power from one area and added it to another then yes, they added more power to different functions. What, is their a slow day in the PS4 section? I don't think I have seen you post in a PS4 article and you're all about it. Grow up you f'n nerd.
Indo  +   697d ago
Quenomamen is simply explaining what most people will read wrong and call out more power when the power is still their, but not usable yet. But will be later down the road.
Hicken  +   697d ago
You defeat your entire purpose with your last sentence.

The car analogy makes enough sense: the A/C(Kinect), was using up power, so they removed- or in this case, cut back- the power the A/C could use so more could be available elsewhere.

(Of course, this operates under the assumption that the A/C does, indeed hold back a few horses. It's been said that this is not true, but I definitely feel a difference between when it's on and when it's off.)

What is it about his comment that bothers you? Did it hurt your feelings or something? Strike a nerve?
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JeffGUNZ  +   695d ago
@ Hicken

His comment is just not needed for this discussion. It's fine to like whatever you want, but to call someone a fanboy because they enjoy something you don't, is pathetic. I'll be getting both PS4 and Xbox One, so I could care less about this make believe console allegiance. Reread his comment and see how douchey he comes across. It's people like him who are ruining this site more and more.
Beastforlifenoob  +   696d ago
10% of 200 is 20 you blind idiot. 2 "ponies" is 1%.
Tontus  +   697d ago
The failure rate it going to be through the roof. Will buy a Xbox One in a few years after a price cut, re-design and when worthwhile exclusives arrive. During that time I will be more than happy with my PS4.
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Yo Mama  +   697d ago
I may buy one in a few years as well, but probably not. If I do, it'll Damn sure be used. I won't be supporting Microsoft.
LordDhampire  +   697d ago
They arnt upclocking it, they are reallocating resources
vigilante_man  +   697d ago
I hope that Microsoft stick to their words and support first party studios for a change. If they do they will reap the rewards just like Sony did with their PS3 exclusives.

Then in a couple of years I may even buy XB1 - but I may not as they could re-introduce DRM by that point. They have said they will enforce their initial vision during the next gen.
Beastforlifenoob  +   696d ago
WHy the fack is everyone saying "upclock"
its overclock you idiot!!!!! wow "uplcock"
gdguide  +   697d ago
LOL. This happens with every console. Guess what? Sony will ****UNLOCK***** more ram for developers, more processing power, and more GPU! It's called optimizing code which has happened since the dawn of computers.
Wikkid666  +   697d ago
Optimizing code and overclocking are 2 very different things.
Animal Mutha 76  +   697d ago
Sounds good to me but it doesn't tie up with the split GPU/extra bits rumour. Will be interesting to see how they answer this.

Having played all of the launch games and multiplats available at Eurogamer I'm quite happy already and trust me when I say nobody who buys an X1 will be dissapointed. Forza and Battlefield 4 were simply glorious and Ryse and CoD ghosts weren't far behind. Battlefield especially I could rant on abouts it's excellence all day - that is going to rock.

Xbox One is not underpowered. Far from it as its going to be at least 6x better than my 360 and I'm still reeling at how they got GTA5 out of 512mb ram on 2005 tech. Sonys PS4 might have a bit more grunt but based on what I have seen it won't be 50% or even 30% better - no way. Even Killzone wasn't any more graphically impressive than what was on X1. The PS4 games just don't back up the media claims. The small differences won't matter to me or most punters.

Both consoles are going to be belters. Purchase either or both and you will be happy. No need for people to be such jerks on here about it all.
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xKugo  +   697d ago
So they plan on freeing up this extra power reserved for the Kinect in the future?? Cool for Xbones, but it's still lagging behind the PS4 and there is now confirmation that th Xbon One was created with 720p to 900p in mind. The approach of enhancing the system upscaler all but proves this and points to the obvious conservative approach taken by Microsoft when building the system. So...PS4TW?
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feraldrgn  +   697d ago
Round & round in circles.

Built your console around Kinect? We can use that for GPU instead.
Advertised snap-in as a feature? We can use that for GPU instead.

All that balance.
Again this comes after "specs don't matter" & Harrison's "only game experiences matter".

The hilarity of it is, in the end you wind up with what you didn't want: "Just a 360 with higher specs."

This is a good thing for those who don't care for Microsoft's image or Kinect/snap in support.

& even after all of the up-clocking & disabling, it still ends up weaker than the competitor's machine.
Should have stuck to their guns because it's just hurting their image.
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Pancit_Canton  +   697d ago
Unlock the POWAH of the cloud. Taste the rainbow, feel the rainbow. This pretty much prove that the developers are already maxing out the Xbone just in the beginning of it's life cycle. 900p and 30FPS or 720p and 60FPS on native resolution are the best they can do on the Xbone. Software upscaling to 1080p is pretty much the same as 720p compare to 1080p native resolution. Noticeably big difference.
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DoubleM70  +   697d ago
Seriously do you actually believe that? It's new hardware let them get familiar with it.
Yo Mama  +   697d ago
Omg, they never stop. This is so funny. So much denial it's borderline delusional. They're like the child that gets caught doing something bad and they have a lie and excuse for every single thing you ask them about even though you already know the truth about what happened.

You can't hardly blame them though. They are trying to say anything they can to try to close the gap in performance to hopefully convince some of their less informed potential customers. It's just very sad at this point.
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abusador  +   697d ago
I swear im going to stop clicking Xbone articles, its always full of bs and Microsoft trying so hard to act as if they are evening the playing field with Ps4.

Yes the powahhhhhhhhh of the Clowdddddd
The power of upclocking bcus we can!!!!!!
And freeing up the powah of kinect!!!!!!!!

Microsoft is really on a roll and imo an embarrassment to the gaming community. Im so happy so many ppl flipped and neogaf and such are having field days everyday with the pr bs that comes out their mouths!!!!!

but but but but what happened to the "perfect balance" smh these guys do more 180's than t rex!!!!!!!
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GABRIEL1030  +   697d ago
Ryse (900p), Killing Instinctive (720p), Battlefield 4 (720p), Dead Rising 3(720p) and Forza 5: "We’re using 100% of this console".

XO technically is very discrete :/
KontryBoy706  +   697d ago
LOL they are scrambling doing everything they can. Microsoft must KNOW their hardware is lacking a bit
DoubleM70  +   697d ago
Hmmm. I actually think they are being pretty open with what they got. I would worry about the other staking claims that theirs is more powerful. Sony never said it themselves, but anonymous Devs and specs on paper.
ShinnokDrako  +   697d ago
Mh... the more i read about this console, the more it seems a "beta" console. It seems built in a hurry to come out in time, ready to be modified during its lifecycle (things to do in the start, usually), lot of changes with the famous "180s" and then what?
Why couldn't they build a powerful console ready to be used with all the right things since the start? I don't know if i'm going to buy this in the future, but i can think about it when it's out of the beta phase (1? 2? 3 years maybe?).... and of course when it's cheaper and there will be games that i could like.
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DoesUs  +   697d ago
10% reserved? Ouch.
shadowT  +   697d ago
So say goodbye to Kinect.
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