Gameranx: "Not much has changed since the dawn of the Xbox 360."
Yes it has. The PS3 stuggled because it had a completly different CPU, GPU and RAM setup. This time both consoles have pretty much the same CPU, GPU and RAM albeit the PS4 has the beefed up version. The Xbone won't pull a PS3 this gen.
It's even worse, because now the PS4 is even easier to program for than the Xbone will be. The Xbone has the ESRam, which may not be particularly hard to utilize, but it is another obstacle to go through that the PS4 doesn't have. So, things are way different than 2005.
Plus no one year head start,No price advantage.. The only place the Xbone stands a chance is In the US everywhere else it will get outsold at least 2 to 1..
don't know what he's talking about.. 360 had a year head start and was cheaper. PS4 is coming out first, more powerful and cheaper.. this is more a PS1 Saturn era.
abzdine is right. This has more of a playstation / saturn vibe to it with nintendo just being....nintendo.
You are right it wont pull a ps3, cause ps3 sold more then the 360 in less time. With the way preorders are going the Xbone would be lucky if it even has 25% of the market by the end of the next generation. 65% PS4 25% Xbone 10% WiiU Thats my prediction.
ummm a lot of things could happen 1-MS make 350$ kinectless X1 and advertise the hell out of cloud dedicated servers which have lots of potential 2-Wiiu has the ability to rebound like the 3DS did after the price cut and the release of big nintendo games like smash bros and mario kart so im sorry to tell u that 65% sony lead is wrong, this is not the PS2 all over again, MS and Nintendo have surpassed sony last gen and established themselves as a serious big time market player sony might have a bit of upper hand right now over MS but MS can rebound easily
Hahahha at the 25%
Nintendo surpassed Sony last gen and and MS/360 established itself as a Big time Market player **fixed** The thing about that is , Nintendo has had the market to themselves for nearly a year and has had nearly no momentum. So its difficult to judge future generations from the prior ones because things always change. Not to mention the 360 lured alot of PS2 gamers due to its price point and year head start. EDIT: Not to mention you forgot the third scenario of PS4 taking control of the market...As PS1, PS2, and Wii has done in the past three gens, one console usually jumps out ahead of the rest. BUt time will tell which next gen system that will be
@ape007 1- the majority will have a PS4 so causal will choose a PS4, Kinectless will hurt Microsoft they were the ones that said it is the xone but a lower price might help only if they change it before PS4 drops, and then u say advertise the Dedicated servers the only people that will care about that is hardcore gamers and they have already chosen the PS4 so the causal wont give a crap. WIIU- the only thing that could bring back Nintendo is super smash bros/mariokart and if people say that's not worth buying a Wiiu then boom the wiiu will stays low unless they have another major price drop. We could have another Ps2 generation coming Sony has proven to have the best devs/best third party support/best price/ best value especially ps+/ and stronger hardware and it launches in 32 places this year do the math.
@ape007 With everything that has came out for the Wii U and how long its been out. I don't see it doing any better then it is now. Nintendo offer alot of stuff but didn't have it when the system came out and didn't help keep people (let's not forget the people that brought it thinking it was a add on to the Wii). I think even with the Xbone without Kinect couldn't really help it, I see Microsoft wanting more money for it even if it close more then PS4. Plus I heard they don't support the idea of standing the system up because they didn't spend the money to keep the disc from moving around and getting mess up like we seen in the 360. I already own the Wii U, but my 32GB's is all gone and it sits with my Sega systems. I'll get both PS4 and Xbone (but Micrsoft is going to need to offer more better games then the same old stuff and have the Xbone only).
Price actually played a huge part this gen in my experience and wii was the cheapest. The PS3 came out with a $599 price tag which turned a lot of people off. Even with coming a year late and all its disadvantages it still sold on par with the competition. I wonder what would happen if they actually did everything right. I guess we'll see with the ps4
Ps4 went for a simple off the shelf architecture with only semi customisations (what MS did in 2005, but they had a GPU that was ahead of normal PC's then) while XO is build together with AMD with huge customisation in it. The whole architecture is something different and with good tools it might actually benefit XO. We will see how it plays out, for now there is 50% more power visible in ps4. Architecture matters more than you think, that's why consoles at low specs can pull of what PC's could do only at 2x better specs. Let's not forget that MS spend 3 billions just for the custom AMD chip and some other "technologies" to AMD. 3 BILLION! It's unlikely that they paid this much for an inferior system. Untill systems are released, don't judge. Even most ps4 games on eurogamer ran on PC's crashing to windows so we can only guess how it will look on release. Let the games do the talking in november.
Bro its inferior why do u think they keep trying to over clock it come on Sony isn't even touching theirs because they know theirs is the easiest to develop for said by a ton of devs but never talk about the xone being easy why is that.
They not keep on trying to overclock. They saw the opportunity, because the design was more effective than they thought, so they overclocked it. How is that a bad thing? As for easier to develop on. It was stated exactly by one dev on twitter, who said he heard it from other dev. The guy from People Can Fly. Now I'm not saying it's not easier to develop on, maybe it is, but it's scary in the same time, seeing only knack running on actual ps4 at eurogamer and struggling to hold 30 fps. To remind you Knack is being developed by the very architect of PS4, the hero of n4d, Mark Cenry. If the ps4 is that powerful and is so easy to develop on and that's all that Mark can pull off then it's not a good sign considering the RUMORS that XO is so much harder to develop on, and yet it got forza and ryse looking amazing. Sony was always boasting their specs (anyone remember ps2 EMOTION ENGINE fuzz and ps3 THE CELL? I rather wait for the games to come out, played on actual consoles. It's obvious both companies will do/say just about anything before release to sell their product.
@Ballseye lol they saw the opportunity wooooow is that what you tell yourself you should know that last minute changes can turn out to be problematic everyone knows this, you really think this late in development they saw the opportunity why not from the start keep lying to yourself. Their trying to make sure the PS4 isn't way more powerful than the xone its obvious think about it Sony could walk on stage and say the Ps4 is strongest console ever created and all Microsoft can say is well its not that more powerful than the xone but still doing a bunch of over clocking they could never say theirs is stronger. PS2 best selling console ever so yeah their engine was good remember MGS2, GOW2 best looking ps2 games. Cell are you forgetting that the best looking games came from Sony smfh look at GOW3,Uncharted2/3,Beyondtwosou ls,TLOU that's proof enough that Cell was good. So in your world ryse and forza does more than KZSF well after that comment I'm done
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The big difference for the UK is the PlayStation won't be launching 15 months after the Xbox, as happened with the 360 and PS3 which allowed Microsoft to get a massive head start. The XB One is significantly more expensive than the PS4. The PS4 is said to be more powerful (to what degree you'd have to ask a programmer) Developers have said the PS4 is easier to program so it is currently the lead platform with multi-format titles. Sony invest in third-party studios. Microsoft invest in timed exclusive DLC. Microsoft PR needs to be improved. Having MS PR going on to NeoGaf to criticise Drive Club and Killzone is not professional. Major Nelson has become unbearable.
I agree, but all my friends are still getting the xbox one and also the ps4! we just play online alot more with the xbox but no one wants to miss out on what the other console offer do they if they do then it comes down to a couple of reasons... 1, they can not afford both 2, they are a nuts fanboy who needs there head checkin by the doctor
Actually ps4 is not lead development console. Both x1 and ps4 adopt similar pc like architecture- (ps4 being closer to pc than x1), but pc is going to be the lead platform development for most big companies and will be ported down to x1 and ps4. Ps4 may be easier to port since it is more in common with pc than x1. Devs have to put a bit more work in x1 to get same results.
PS4 isn't a year late. PS4 doesn't cost a lot more than its rival. PS4 isn't incurring the wrath of gamers on the internet. PS3 did all this and more, and it suffered. Microsoft have a much stronger competitor than in 2005, because in 2005, technically they had none. They had a free run for a year. Despite this Sony eventually overcame their disadvantages to sell more and by the looks of it finish the generation stronger. So Microsoft have to work really hard now. It seems obvious to most people that aren't biased Sony has an edge if not just because of their price, and they don't need to convince sceptics of their hardware performance or justify the cost of their hardware as much.
Its a good job the internet people are not alot of people. the fact is family's love kinect its great fun with there kids
I think you will find that it matters. It mattered to core gamers in 2005 and contributed to Ps3's poor start. It'll matter to Xbone.
@Vip3r, Look at the specs for the PS4. They are NOT the same as the xbox. Being that both consoles are built on parts that are out on PC (that anyone can build).. If you were to run tests on each PC running xbox1 and PS4 specs, it will show that the PS4 way outperforms the Xbox.
I didn't say "the same" I said "pretty much the same" which is different. They are similar but the PS4 has beefed up versions.
Don't forget the year head-start and the Xbox 360 setting the standard for consoles game development.
its different because xbox will not have a year head start
Not sure how MS can call it similar. 1. No 1 year head start 2. No price advantage 3. No ease of development advantage which leads to.. 4. No lead development advantage 5. No online infrastructure advantage 6. No inept competition advantage 7. No initial installed base advantage There are probably other advantages they had last gen that I can't think of off the top of my head but that is quite the difference. And even with all those advantages they had, they still managed to come in last in worldwide sales. All I can say is good luck this gen Microsoft. Edit: On the online infrastructure advantage, MS might still have some benefits on this, some would argue the value of PS+ negates those, whatever the case it's not the advantage they had last gen where Sony basically had nothing even remotely comparable out of the gate, that advantage is gone.
6. No inept competition advantage Yeah they are the inept competition this time around. Its gonna be a bumpy ride for Microsoft maybe even their last if they lose their home turf.
You said enough about your ability to evaluate when you mentioned no online infrastructure advantage.
Apart from number 5. I agree. Will be interesting this gen.
The winner of this generation will be the console that attracts the casual consumer.
nintendo wii u was supposed to be that and look at it lol...pathetic
The hardcore gaming community only represents a small demographics of console purchasers, majority are casual consumers, look at the Wii sales, 100 million in sales, dominated the competition and it won purely because it appealed to the casual consumers, that's a huge market of consumers!
I disagree while the Wii was that console this gen , it has also seen the steepest dropoff in sales in comparison to the PS3 or 360, even before the launch of the Wii-U. Im sure Microsoft or Sony doesn't want that same dropof....So IMO the best gameplan is Variety
Most multiplatform games will be made using the weakest system right? While I'm leaning towards the Ps4 I don't think we will see a big difference unless the games are first party games. I honestly don't think the past issues of the Xbox one are going to refrain people from buying an Xbox one, I know plenty of people who didn't know or don't care about the policies they had.
I agree, the biggest hurdle for MS to overcome will be price point....That was one of the 360 and Wii biggest advantages at the start of last gen
All i can remember was MS loosing the HD war.
WARNING THIS COMMENT MAY OFFEND [email protected] LICKING FANBOYS When anybody names the xbox one xbone then all interest is lost in whatever comment they make as it shows a lack of respect and fanboyism. Personally i think that the xbox one will outsell the ps4,reason? It reaches a bigger audience by including kinect. (From a person who plans on getting both systems) NOT ENDORSED BY FANBOYS
The irony in your comment is that only Xbox fanboys are offended by calling the Xbox One "xbone." But you're clearly not one of those. /s
@Ukdude I see where you are coming from but at the price point the xbox one is at it will not attract the none gamers. This is why MS are still supporting the 360 and Kinect 1.0. Nintendo will be the ones who get this market if they look to upgrade there Wii as they can use there old Wii motes and games they have as well as a low price on the Wiiu. I am getting a xbox one and already own a WiiU and I will pick up a ps4 some time into this next gen but I think its too close to call who and what will sell more. It really depends on if COD will carry on being the main driving force of the console or if someone can come along with a different IP and which ever console can take advantage of it. I think it could be close by all 3 come the end of the gen and not have 1 run away leader.
Any company that names their 3rd console ----- "One" deserves any and all nicknames associated with that terrible decision. I wish it was Xbox Infinity....X∞ > over X1 or Xbone Also Comcast/Xfinity beat Microsoft to the "X1" nickname, combine that with the many Bone head moves MS made in the beginning, and Xbone is born http://corporate.comcast.co...
There is no similarity what so ever this new gen... Ps4 has a very high popularity level in the world right now, much higher than the xbones
yeah reminds me of 2005. well looking forward to same great ips and mr ken just make sure i get those rare reboots you have promised....kameo2 , conker and banjoe are top on my list
It will be about the same but flipped as the PS4 will win globally (barely) while the Xbox will playing catchup. Make no mistake though unless one of the 3 main systems come up with some causal buyer must have, they will not be in 70 million sold range like last generation. More in the realm of high 50s low 60s. The global demand and buying power is not what it once was.
I wouldn't say it's similar. Sony isn't Seto Kaiba arrogant anymore.
Im not defending microsoft at all as i think there original plans were complete [email protected] for the consumer/gamer and sony did thankfully force there hand,but i do not trust any company as there all after one thing,your money and sonys pr has done a much better job than the ps3 launch. Last gen had a giant leap to hd tv,next gen have not got this eye candy as 4k tvs are still a distance away,which makes it a harder sell,therefore graphics dont mean as much this time around hence why microsoft are not inc the highest end graphics card and instead including the kinect to 'enhance' the gaming experience and sony adding a massive 8gig of gddr ram to try to make that leap,both companies are clutching at straws. My last point is i have currently bought gta5 to blast through till next gen on my PS3!,so RiPPn does that make me a sony fanboy??? Would you get offended if i called the ps4 the piss4? Lol never had a xbox for nearly 2 years,i have preferences but not allegiances,unlike yourself,,,
M$: King of talking nonsense.
If sony could end up strong with the PS3 despite a late launch, more expensive hardware and less games, "How Much More" if they have even just 1 week headstart, stronger hardware, cheaper hardware and more established 1st party devs including the ones in japan?? Imagine.
A man is confused. Is only one of them coming out this year?
wrong Microsoft sorry this is not ps3 any more :)
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