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Crytek CEO: Ryse NOT a “downgrade”, only upgrades from now on, promises Full HD

Earlier this week, we reported that Ryse received a downgrade from 150k Polygon count to 85k Polygon count per character. This reduction in Polygons was officially confirmed by Yerli and he stated that they wanted better shaders with no Level-of-details to further enhance the graphics.

Yerli has now followed on his earlier tweet that Ryse now looks far better compared to the E3 build. He says that they have not only enhanced the shaders, they have also worked on implementing real-time physics for the clothes.

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ABeastNamedTariq1099d ago

That last tweet didn't suggest or promise full HD, it made it seem as though it's already there. Oh well, maybe I read it wrong. I hope they (MS, Crytek, etc.) clear up this funny business they're conducting.

zeal0us1099d ago

Either damage control or Crytek and MS communication with each is poor.

georgeenoob1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

Anyone with two pairs of eyes can tell it's not a downgrade. They reduced polygon count to focus on different aspects of graphics such as shaders. If reducing polygon count was the only change they made to the graphics then it would be a downgrade, but this is not the case as much as some of you hoped it was.

Also, if you seriously think E3's Ryse graphics were too good for X1's power and that launch titles are already maxing out a console, then you got another thing coming.

JokesOnYou1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

I think he means 900p NOT 1080p with the other changes is not a downgrade because they used those resources in other ways to make it look better as the dualshocker news thread articulated very well. At any rate does it really matter if it looks and runs better than the E3 build why is that not good enough?

"Ryse looks better than at E3! Shader deeper, more real.Marius features additionally also realtime physical dangling pieces.Plus much more!"

"Ryse there is not one single downgrade compared to E3, promised! Only UPGRADES in the final push towards finalling phase! Its FULL HD XP!" -Cevat Yerli Crytek CEO

-That doesn't sound like a downgrade to me just sounds like normal optimization every game in development goes through.

SegaSaturn6691099d ago

They could start by fixing the title.

Gozer1099d ago

Maybe since reducing the triangles they can now hit 1080p. Its probably a break down in communication.

Its easy to tell that this guy wasn't expecting a website to take his tweet and twist his meaning into something to gain web hits. I wouldn't even acknowledge those bottom feeders if I were him.

Ryse already looks like cgi nearly. I really don't see how they could make it much better.

Kingthrash3601099d ago

lol this is getting sad now.....so much back and forth its like a looped tennis match. lol man ps4 for me alot less confusion.

Mario181099d ago

@georgeenoob

Last time I checked I only had one pair of eyes. I hope you too have one pair

SuperLupe1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

Im not going to link the neogaf thread about this topic but you guys must go have a look.

Not a soul on that forum which must be at least 20 times bigger than N4G saying that this game does not look graphically mindblowing.

The huge majority of people are simply floored at how can launch game can look so good. Imagine a couple of years by now ?

I log onto N4G every day but hardly read the comment section anymore because its just full of crap. Guys I advice you to get out of here and enjoy REAL gaming conversations elsewhere.

N4G is BY FAR the most Sony fanboy ridden completely overdriven with MS hate place I've seen yet on the internet. And since I'm on GAF now I've realised what a tiny forum N4G actually is ... Once again guys if you want a better place for gaming discussions GET OUTTA this site !!

I dont know how to put this but its like N4G is pre-school and GAF is College when you compare the level of discussion on the very same topics. Its a pity though because I prefer N4G's layout by a mile and the user experience is also more intuitive.

Mods may ban this post but hey the truth must be spoken.

FlameHawk1099d ago

@ georgeenoob, why would they reduce the polygon count for the main character if it already had the polygon count? That doesn't make any sense? If they achieved the polygon count there should be no reason to reduce it unless it wasn't even running on the Xbox One but high end pcs.

Gozer1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

@Flamehawk
Ryse has been seen at multiple events running the E3 build on X1 hardware. They just culled the triangles the other day, Ryse has been shown at every event following E3. Funny how that website that posted this Ryse news as a downgrade skipped that fact. It may have been running on an X1 devkit PC at E3, but so was everything shown by sony and MS. I don't expect sony fanatics to acknowledge that fact, but its the truth. The only thing they can do is click disagree.

Bigpappy1099d ago

Even though this is about Ryse, it really isn't. This is really about the perceive power or lack of power that people, who are vested in the console war, need validate their wishes for or against the Xbox One.

As for the game itself: How well it is received by those who get to play it is independent of all this hoopla about Polly count.

For me: If it is 900p, 30FPS and is fun to play, I will be happy. If it is 1080p, 60fps and plays well that will even be better. Either way, I am in. I am sure it would look better than what I played on 360.

QuickdrawMcgraw1098d ago

One of this sites biggest fanboys is leaving.SuperLupe has let it be known he is far to intelligent to be here on N4Xbox.What a shame he has brought so much to this Xbox cheering site.Good luck to you on your future indeavors Super....Hmmm I wonder if SuperLupe is one of those with the two pairs of eyes georgeenoob is talking about.

Army_of_Darkness1098d ago (Edited 1098d ago )

From "now on" means that it can only get better from 720p, 30fps.. ..

pixelsword1098d ago

@ SuperLupe:

Your post will only be banned if you say the opposite of what you say and talk about Microsoft or xbox fans, and you know that.

Blachek1098d ago

I would assume a large part of it is a direct result of poorly written and misinformed reporting... just a guess.

Kevin ButIer1098d ago

Game looks OK give them a break...

Communication on the other hand is pretty lame indeed

NewMonday1098d ago (Edited 1098d ago )

@tuglu_pati
these are cut scenes from a higher spec engine.

the point here is the new version looks washed out with less details compared to original

http://i.minus.com/ibweIYsu...

here the original armor looked like real steel with carved patterns, but now the patterns look like a paint job

also the shading was used to touch up the scaled down texture resolution.

also we hardly see any actual clips of this game, why only screenshots?

tuglu_pati1098d ago (Edited 1098d ago )

@ newmonday

Those gif i just posted are from the new build, in the first link you have the new build on top and the old one on the bottom. Now frankly tell my which one looks better.

By the way in that link you posted they are comparing a direct feed screen shot with a screen grab taken from a power point which was taken from a streamed video. Way to do a fair comparison...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

loulou1098d ago

although i think that kz will be the best looking launch title, i think that ryse will be a close second.

and all you idiotic fanboys will be eating crow when this launches.

i like now how the resolution determines the quality

loulou1098d ago

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

even though i think that gaf is not the worlds best forum. have a look at how real gamers discuss games.

you lot should be ashamed of yourselves... and the mods to

MizTv1098d ago

It's always something with m$

NewMonday1098d ago

@tuglu_pati

you posted cut-scenes

the gif I linked is a direct comparison

the mushy skin shading is obvious
the painted armor is obvious
downgrade is obvious

MS should release a new trailer of the same ship landing shown at E3, but they are afraid to show clips of this game because whenever it is shown in motion people get underwhelmed.

SilentNegotiator1098d ago (Edited 1098d ago )

"Anyone with two pairs of eyes can tell it's not a downgrade"

Anyone with fanboy goggles, you mean.
http://cdn.dualshockers.com...
It's way less detailed and downright blurry.
The old one looks imperfect like it was created in the time period; look at the details in the crevices. At then in the new one it's squeaky clean and flat.

...and did you really just say "two pairs of eyes"? Freaking LOL.

tuglu_pati1098d ago (Edited 1098d ago )

@SilentNegotiator

of course it look blurry the new screenshot is from a powerpoint presentation and it was taken from a streamed video.

you guys are trying to hard or wanting to hard for this game to look bad. I wonder why that is...

@newmonday

You know cut-scenes in this game is the same as in game right?
I wonder what's your opinion on The Order trailer since it was all cut-scenes build on in-game assets also.

u got owned1098d ago

UPDATE NEWS: The game has always been 900p since E3 they never did a downgrade.

https://twitter.com/Realtim...

DragonKnight1098d ago

It's unbelievable how many of you don't consider it a downgrade because "they used the resources for something else" yet when a game isn't 60fps then the console is underpowered. Absolute hypocrites.

SilentNegotiator1098d ago

@tuglu_pati

Regardless, it is a LOT less sharp in the new picture.

minimur121098d ago

He directly contradicts himself in this statement, by saying that there will only be upgrades from now on, which means there was a downgrade, unless I've got something wrong

NewMonday1098d ago

@tuglu_pati

take TLOU as an example, the cut scenes were from the same gameplay engine but recorded from higher resources probably running on deve kits

and nobody is getting exited about the Order graphics yet until we see actual gameplay.

UltimateMaster1098d ago

"It's not a downgraded version!" says EA reps.
Because, in order to get a downgraded version, another version of the game has to be out and that isn't the case. The Xbox One is the original version.
No, instead, when the PC and PS4 versions of the game comes out. They will get an upscale version to a better version up to a maximum of 150k polygon. Making it the final phase by going on all platforms.
That's not the same thing!/s

Total Sarcasm.

Also added: Its FULL HD XP!
Which means even if your PC is an XP, it will support 1080p.

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donman11099d ago

Hmmm... sounds to me like Microsoft gripped his balls and told him to fix his truthful earlier statements. Microsoft, the cat is already out the bag. The XboxOne is just not that powerful. Let the damage control continue. That PR department is going to need a vacation soon.

Gozer1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

With Ryse looking better than anything the ps4 has to offer, what does that say about the ps4?With Ryse looking better than the entire ps4 line up, do you realize how stupid it makes sony fanboys look when they claim the ps4 is 50% more powerful?

@The Infected
You do know Killzone SF runs at 30 fps in SP and sub 60fps in MP right? Ryse also has over double the triangles as Killzone SF. You are FOS.
I don't know the stats on Infamous, I just know Ryse looks twice as good to me. Search those stats and find out, I would like to know how much better Ryse is technically.

@brometheos
You do know Forza 5 is 1080p 60FPS right? Whats Drive Club? It also says a lot about the X1 that an alleged 900p game can look miles better than anything sony has at 1080p.

The_Infected1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

@Gozer

Your comment has fanboy written all over it. The game looks ok at best. They cutback to hit 1080p. It's still 30fps, and it looks half a good as Killzone: Shadow Fall and Infamous: Second Son.

Also no I'm not a Sony Fanboy since I'm thinking about building a PC with SteamOS soon. I'm just not delusional.

reko1099d ago

@gozer

yes 900p looks pretty awesome. s/

brometheos1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

@Gozer Most Xbox One titles aren't even running at 1080p. Ryse is 900p 30fps, and Killzone Shadow Fall dominates next gen console graphics. Not trying to start a flame war, but running all of the games at 1080p is where some of that extra power kicks in.

Edit: Yes I know Forza is 1080p, thats why I said "most". In fact it is the only xb1 title running in 1080p. congratulations. Also, if you are implying that upscaled resolution looks better than native resolution, I can no longer take anything else you say seriously.

4Sh0w1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

brometheos, its not apples to apples though, its like knocking BF4 for being 720p 60fps vs KZ SF when we know BF4 gameplay has a more open style with alit more destruction and vehicles. And its worst because you're comparing most of X1 lineup which are totally different game types. I could see how maybe KI could be criticized for no 1080p but I think they decided early to just make the game run well because its cell shaded anyway.

Ryse and DR3 are not a fair comparison to a shooter being 1080p, DR3 is open world game with no load times tons of zombies and stuff to do just look at Watch Dogs res for example and Ryse is a cinematic action game hack n slash thats pushing hard on upclose kills. Then frankly the Knack at 1080p for such a basic game isn't impressive on ps4. So like it or not Yes ps4 doesn't have a AAA open world or action title on the level of DR3 or Ryse to make any fair resolution comparison to, so screaming about 1080p being standard is easy when the game types are easier and better suited for 1080p. 

Forza 5 and Driveclub are both racers and in that comparison Forza5 is 1080p 60fps confirmed.

aceitman1098d ago (Edited 1098d ago )

@4show here is a open world game u can compare and see the ps4 has the power to make a open world game look sweet. http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Ezz20131098d ago (Edited 1098d ago )

@gozer
it amazing how you think your opinion is a FACT

and BTW
the specs for both consoles are already out
it pretty clear for any one with brains what the better system and by how much ....and that's a FACT

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B-radical1099d ago

SMH if microsoft got it wrong with 900p

The_Infected1099d ago

It's sad already cutting down in areas of the game to hit 1080p. I'm a console gamer but I'm seriously thinking about building a good cheap PC this generation especially with Steam going hard in the living room with SteamOS.

THamm1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

Sony is full steam ahead with groundbreaking news almost every week. MS trying to finally get their act straight yet pr and 3rd party devs are throwing tidbits of very depressing stuff out there. This is a mess so close to launch. Looks like MS was 6 months behind and was sucker punched by Sony.. also I don't think anyone is going to pay attention to any X1 launch titles as they seem uncertain or unfinished/rushed

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PSVita1098d ago

I don't know why everyone concerned with the graphics. Fanboy BS aside the game looks like $h/t. If it was a multiplatform game would we be fussing about the tiny( not So tiny) details? How about the story or how the game plays? We can go back and forth but I know when the game is released everyone's going to be saying "wait for this game(Titanfall) instead, it was just a launch game".

torchic1098d ago

you nailed it.

do we even know what the story of the game is like, what it entails? for such an on-rails, cinematic game the story has to be top priority here. Crytek haven't spoken too much about story recently which is bothersome. sure we know here and there and a few tidbits but not enough to gather real excitement for the story.

and then, the gameplay. that still looks boring and repetitve, not much inspiration behind it, no fun factor and that unfortunately can't change. not much else to say about that.

as you rightly pointed out if this was a multiplatform game neither fanbase would care about it. Ryse would be relegated into the realms of mediocrity simialr to the rest of the Crytek games portfolio (I actually enjoyed Crysis 2 though, must be played on Supersoldier to get full enjoyment out of it)

onyoursistersback1098d ago

Lol, 4uck this......I came to pick a fight!!!!

"XboxOne launch titles, are rejected Xbox360 titles"

BallsEye1098d ago

He is right saying it does look better than e3 build. As for graphics it's amazing. Gameplay? I'd have to play it myself...I'm still buying it for sure, love the setting and wanna experience the tech running real time! Good title to see that next gen graphics working on launch.

dantesparda1098d ago

No, it doesnt, it looks worst, its obviously downgraded. You can tell it has a lower polygon count, and worst shaders. You MS fanboys are fools and the laughing stock of fanboyism

http://i.minus.com/ibweIYsu...

ALLWRONG1098d ago

All this talk about Ryse and it's still the best looking next gen exclusive.

dantesparda1098d ago (Edited 1098d ago )

Killzone smokes this, opinions are not facts, otherwise we have a problem here cuz your saying it looks better and Im saying KZ looks better, so which is it. To me the ONLY game I've seen that looks next gen (and this includes both systems) is KZ's single player mode. I've seen KI and Forza in real life and they are barely better than current gen. And its obvious Ryse's graphics has been downgraded, here take a look, and if you cant tell then you're obviously full of it (but then again all Fanboys are)

(word of advice, take the goggles off first)
http://i.minus.com/ibweIYsu...

minimur121096d ago

Deep down says hello :)

In my opinion i think its the best looking next gem game...... Hands down. Better than killzone, better that Ryse, better than any other next gen game, but thats my opinion.

I do think deep down isnt really being thought about here, which is a shame as its a great triumph graphics wise, i cant rember where i read it but Capcom said the Pantah Rhei engine was developed. Alongside the ps4 which is why it looks so good

imt5581098d ago (Edited 1098d ago )

Excuse me, Cervat, but how in the whole world 900p upscaled on 1080p CAN BE NATIVE 1080P??????

Ju1098d ago

Crytek found a new AA method using upsampling, obviously. /s

kenshiro1001098d ago

We'll see at launch how this game performs.

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Animal Mutha 761098d ago

I played this today at eurogamer and I can tell you now technically this game is very impressive. If it is 900p you wouldn't know because it looks just as good as any 1080p I've seen and the lighting, AA and effects were of a really high standard. No frame rate drops or screen tearing even with lots of enemies. My friend and I played the coop demo in the gladiator area. Got a few combo executions :) All live xb1 consoles no bs. This is alpha as well can only get better but very polished already.

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AsimLeonheart1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

MS says that Ryse runs at 900p and Crytek promises full HD. There just seems to be no coordination or communication among MS executives, PR spokespersons and the developers. Conflicting statements, confusions and ensuing clarifications have become a norm for MS. I think MS firmly believes in the phrase "There is no such thing as bad publicity." They constantly stay in the headlines and spotlight even if for the wrong reasons.

iamnsuperman1099d ago (Edited 1099d ago )

I do not understand what has happened to Microsoft's PR team. Sure Microsoft's team wasn't perfect but it was a lot better than it is right now. So many differing statements. Looks like we will have to wait for further clarification again. It may not be entirely Microsoft's fault (this time) but if you are going to publish the game you better make sure you have a clear message being sent out by the contracted developers and yourself

joeorc1098d ago

@iamnsuperman

"I do not understand what has happened to Microsoft's PR team."

I talked about this very issue a while back, and over the course of the past 3 or 4 years, no one really brought this up as a discussion.

i delve into this:

"The Change up over @ Microsoft and why Hard core gamer's may be worried"

with facts to back this up..i think this is at its very core the issue.

ED fries: Left after 18 year's over at Microsoft help create the xbox platform.

Robbie j Bach now [former Microsoft executive]

Ray Ozzie [now gone]

Peter Molyneux Hall of fame just like Mark Cerny

Also now Gone!

Nat Brown one of the [xbox founder's] Gone

as a matter of fact

http://www.huffingtonpost.c...

Kevin Bachus [yet another founder of the xbox project gone]

Seamus Blackley [yet another founder of the xbox project gone]

Ted Hase and Otto Berkes [both founder's of the xbox project and now both are gone]

J Allard

http://www.engadget.com/201...

the key people that help create the xbox project and made a pitch to bill gates, all loved Gaming and Were Gamer's at heart, all now no longer with the Xbox Project. look at both Nintendo and Sony's core people in key positions to keep hard core gaming in a front and center focus for their companies. They both has not lost this Many of the people who founded the principle and development of a game console for Gamer's.

Granted 3rd party is great and all but 1st party is just as important to the value for consumer's just as much if not more so than the 3rd party offering's. that's what people are worried about the people that made the case for the xbox from even being a reality in the market at all is all gone! that say's quite a bit on Microsoft's focus for a number of people.

http://forums.n4g.com/The-C...

think about this even ballmer is stepping Down!
I do not think it was "just retirement" microsoft needed a new direction.

and im not the only one:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

example invested 20 billion into Bing, return is 8 billion back!

pyramidshead1099d ago

Kinda almost feel sorry for XB1 preorderers(except the drones, just the normal consumers), it's sort of as if they have to hope at this point that their games turn at well in the end. Way too many inconsistencies going on. Quite satisfied I'm waiting until late 2014, hopefully they'll have their shit together by then and there's some decent games to play other than Ryse(only one I'm interested in.)

meatysausage1099d ago

It will be fine, I have no doubt that sony has been more organised and MS have been under the pump.
But then again its launch, games will always be rushed to meet deadlines. Im pretty happy with the quality of both consoles launch games. If you think about it, hardware was being finalised only a month or two ago, so you cant really be surprised that games are not hitting potential.
I have no doubt that if the xbox was more organised and launching say a little later that most games will be 1080p.

Kudos to sony though, seems they have been pretty prepared since feb
As I said, launch is always a rough time. Glad to be experiencing both day one

timotim1098d ago

Haha...its the "normal consumers" who you need not worry about. They are totally oblivious to this sad thing called the Fanboy Wars. They know what they see...that's it. They aren't concerned about 900p or even know what that means...they want to know does it look and play good. They will see its story and time period, see the gore and finishing moves, marvel at the graphics and upload their kills to Facebook for their friends to see. Scoring points on fanboy sites in fanboy forums is the last thing on their minds.

BallsEye1098d ago

Have you even seen the latest games? They all get upgrade form e3 builds. Dead rising full hd steady framerate and additional effects+sharper textures. killer instinct full hd from 720p, ryse getting huge upgrade if you compare it to old build. Forza recent video running in 1440p on yt looks phenomenal. I have no idea what are you talking about? Can't wait till I get my box!

turgore1099d ago

1080p if upscaled. Technically, it is full HD.

annus1099d ago

That's not true 1080p. I can take a 1px image and stretch it to 1080p, it doesn't make it so. Upscaling just fakes what would be there.