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Submitted by DarkLordMalik 387d ago | news

Crytek CEO: Ryse NOT a “downgrade”, only upgrades from now on, promises Full HD

Earlier this week, we reported that Ryse received a downgrade from 150k Polygon count to 85k Polygon count per character. This reduction in Polygons was officially confirmed by Yerli and he stated that they wanted better shaders with no Level-of-details to further enhance the graphics.

Yerli has now followed on his earlier tweet that Ryse now looks far better compared to the E3 build. He says that they have not only enhanced the shaders, they have also worked on implementing real-time physics for the clothes. (Ryse: Son of Rome, Xbox One)

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ABeastNamedTariq  +   388d ago
That last tweet didn't suggest or promise full HD, it made it seem as though it's already there. Oh well, maybe I read it wrong. I hope they (MS, Crytek, etc.) clear up this funny business they're conducting.
zeal0us  +   388d ago
Either damage control or Crytek and MS communication with each is poor.
LOL_WUT  +   387d ago | Well said
Damage Control
georgeenoob  +   387d ago | Well said
Anyone with two pairs of eyes can tell it's not a downgrade. They reduced polygon count to focus on different aspects of graphics such as shaders. If reducing polygon count was the only change they made to the graphics then it would be a downgrade, but this is not the case as much as some of you hoped it was.

Also, if you seriously think E3's Ryse graphics were too good for X1's power and that launch titles are already maxing out a console, then you got another thing coming.
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JokesOnYou  +   387d ago
I think he means 900p NOT 1080p with the other changes is not a downgrade because they used those resources in other ways to make it look better as the dualshocker news thread articulated very well. At any rate does it really matter if it looks and runs better than the E3 build why is that not good enough?

"Ryse looks better than at E3! Shader deeper, more real.Marius features additionally also realtime physical dangling pieces.Plus much more!"

"Ryse there is not one single downgrade compared to E3, promised! Only UPGRADES in the final push towards finalling phase! Its FULL HD XP!" -Cevat Yerli Crytek CEO

-That doesn't sound like a downgrade to me just sounds like normal optimization every game in development goes through.
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SegaSaturn669  +   387d ago
They could start by fixing the title.
Gozer  +   387d ago
Maybe since reducing the triangles they can now hit 1080p. Its probably a break down in communication.

Its easy to tell that this guy wasn't expecting a website to take his tweet and twist his meaning into something to gain web hits. I wouldn't even acknowledge those bottom feeders if I were him.

Ryse already looks like cgi nearly. I really don't see how they could make it much better.
Kingthrash360  +   387d ago
lol this is getting sad now.....so much back and forth its like a looped tennis match. lol man ps4 for me alot less confusion.
Mario18  +   387d ago | Funny
@georgeenoob

Last time I checked I only had one pair of eyes. I hope you too have one pair
SuperLupe  +   387d ago | Well said
Im not going to link the neogaf thread about this topic but you guys must go have a look.

Not a soul on that forum which must be at least 20 times bigger than N4G saying that this game does not look graphically mindblowing.

The huge majority of people are simply floored at how can launch game can look so good. Imagine a couple of years by now ?

I log onto N4G every day but hardly read the comment section anymore because its just full of crap. Guys I advice you to get out of here and enjoy REAL gaming conversations elsewhere.

N4G is BY FAR the most Sony fanboy ridden completely overdriven with MS hate place I've seen yet on the internet. And since I'm on GAF now I've realised what a tiny forum N4G actually is ... Once again guys if you want a better place for gaming discussions GET OUTTA this site !!

I dont know how to put this but its like N4G is pre-school and GAF is College when you compare the level of discussion on the very same topics. Its a pity though because I prefer N4G's layout by a mile and the user experience is also more intuitive.

Mods may ban this post but hey the truth must be spoken.
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FlameHawk  +   387d ago
@ georgeenoob, why would they reduce the polygon count for the main character if it already had the polygon count? That doesn't make any sense? If they achieved the polygon count there should be no reason to reduce it unless it wasn't even running on the Xbox One but high end pcs.
Gozer  +   387d ago
@Flamehawk
Ryse has been seen at multiple events running the E3 build on X1 hardware. They just culled the triangles the other day, Ryse has been shown at every event following E3. Funny how that website that posted this Ryse news as a downgrade skipped that fact. It may have been running on an X1 devkit PC at E3, but so was everything shown by sony and MS. I don't expect sony fanatics to acknowledge that fact, but its the truth. The only thing they can do is click disagree.
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Bigpappy  +   387d ago
Even though this is about Ryse, it really isn't. This is really about the perceive power or lack of power that people, who are vested in the console war, need validate their wishes for or against the Xbox One.

As for the game itself: How well it is received by those who get to play it is independent of all this hoopla about Polly count.

For me: If it is 900p, 30FPS and is fun to play, I will be happy. If it is 1080p, 60fps and plays well that will even be better. Either way, I am in. I am sure it would look better than what I played on 360.
QuickdrawMcgraw  +   387d ago
One of this sites biggest fanboys is leaving.SuperLupe has let it be known he is far to intelligent to be here on N4Xbox.What a shame he has brought so much to this Xbox cheering site.Good luck to you on your future indeavors Super....Hmmm I wonder if SuperLupe is one of those with the two pairs of eyes georgeenoob is talking about.
Army_of_Darkness  +   387d ago
From "now on" means that it can only get better from 720p, 30fps.. ..
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pixelsword  +   387d ago
@ SuperLupe:

Your post will only be banned if you say the opposite of what you say and talk about Microsoft or xbox fans, and you know that.
Blachek  +   387d ago
I would assume a large part of it is a direct result of poorly written and misinformed reporting... just a guess.
Kevin ButIer  +   387d ago
Game looks OK give them a break...

Communication on the other hand is pretty lame indeed
tuglu_pati  +   387d ago
Just came across this. Game really looks good.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
NewMonday  +   387d ago
@tuglu_pati
these are cut scenes from a higher spec engine.

the point here is the new version looks washed out with less details compared to original

http://i.minus.com/ibweIYsu...

here the original armor looked like real steel with carved patterns, but now the patterns look like a paint job

also the shading was used to touch up the scaled down texture resolution.

also we hardly see any actual clips of this game, why only screenshots?
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tuglu_pati  +   387d ago
@ newmonday

Those gif i just posted are from the new build, in the first link you have the new build on top and the old one on the bottom. Now frankly tell my which one looks better.

By the way in that link you posted they are comparing a direct feed screen shot with a screen grab taken from a power point which was taken from a streamed video. Way to do a fair comparison...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
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loulou  +   387d ago
although i think that kz will be the best looking launch title, i think that ryse will be a close second.

and all you idiotic fanboys will be eating crow when this launches.

i like now how the resolution determines the quality
loulou  +   387d ago
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

even though i think that gaf is not the worlds best forum. have a look at how real gamers discuss games.

you lot should be ashamed of yourselves... and the mods to
MizTv  +   387d ago
It's always something with m$
NewMonday  +   387d ago
@tuglu_pati

you posted cut-scenes

the gif I linked is a direct comparison

the mushy skin shading is obvious
the painted armor is obvious
downgrade is obvious

MS should release a new trailer of the same ship landing shown at E3, but they are afraid to show clips of this game because whenever it is shown in motion people get underwhelmed.
SilentNegotiator  +   387d ago
"Anyone with two pairs of eyes can tell it's not a downgrade"

Anyone with fanboy goggles, you mean.
http://cdn.dualshockers.com...
It's way less detailed and downright blurry.
The old one looks imperfect like it was created in the time period; look at the details in the crevices. At then in the new one it's squeaky clean and flat.

...and did you really just say "two pairs of eyes"? Freaking LOL.
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tuglu_pati  +   387d ago
@SilentNegotiator

of course it look blurry the new screenshot is from a powerpoint presentation and it was taken from a streamed video.

you guys are trying to hard or wanting to hard for this game to look bad. I wonder why that is...

@newmonday

You know cut-scenes in this game is the same as in game right?
I wonder what's your opinion on The Order trailer since it was all cut-scenes build on in-game assets also.
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u got owned  +   387d ago
UPDATE NEWS: The game has always been 900p since E3 they never did a downgrade.

https://twitter.com/Realtim...
DragonKnight  +   387d ago
It's unbelievable how many of you don't consider it a downgrade because "they used the resources for something else" yet when a game isn't 60fps then the console is underpowered. Absolute hypocrites.
SilentNegotiator  +   387d ago
@tuglu_pati

Regardless, it is a LOT less sharp in the new picture.
minimur12  +   387d ago
He directly contradicts himself in this statement, by saying that there will only be upgrades from now on, which means there was a downgrade, unless I've got something wrong
NewMonday  +   387d ago
@tuglu_pati

take TLOU as an example, the cut scenes were from the same gameplay engine but recorded from higher resources probably running on deve kits

and nobody is getting exited about the Order graphics yet until we see actual gameplay.
tuglu_pati  +   387d ago
@ newmonday

Fair enough
UltimateMaster  +   387d ago
"It's not a downgraded version!" says EA reps.
Because, in order to get a downgraded version, another version of the game has to be out and that isn't the case. The Xbox One is the original version.
No, instead, when the PC and PS4 versions of the game comes out. They will get an upscale version to a better version up to a maximum of 150k polygon. Making it the final phase by going on all platforms.
That's not the same thing!/s

Total Sarcasm.

Also added: Its FULL HD XP!
Which means even if your PC is an XP, it will support 1080p.
donman1  +   387d ago
Hmmm... sounds to me like Microsoft gripped his balls and told him to fix his truthful earlier statements. Microsoft, the cat is already out the bag. The XboxOne is just not that powerful. Let the damage control continue. That PR department is going to need a vacation soon.
Gozer  +   387d ago
With Ryse looking better than anything the ps4 has to offer, what does that say about the ps4?With Ryse looking better than the entire ps4 line up, do you realize how stupid it makes sony fanboys look when they claim the ps4 is 50% more powerful?

@The Infected
You do know Killzone SF runs at 30 fps in SP and sub 60fps in MP right? Ryse also has over double the triangles as Killzone SF. You are FOS.
I don't know the stats on Infamous, I just know Ryse looks twice as good to me. Search those stats and find out, I would like to know how much better Ryse is technically.

@brometheos
You do know Forza 5 is 1080p 60FPS right? Whats Drive Club? It also says a lot about the X1 that an alleged 900p game can look miles better than anything sony has at 1080p.
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The_Infected  +   387d ago
@Gozer

Your comment has fanboy written all over it. The game looks ok at best. They cutback to hit 1080p. It's still 30fps, and it looks half a good as Killzone: Shadow Fall and Infamous: Second Son.

Also no I'm not a Sony Fanboy since I'm thinking about building a PC with SteamOS soon. I'm just not delusional.
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reko  +   387d ago
@gozer

yes 900p looks pretty awesome. s/
brometheos  +   387d ago
@Gozer Most Xbox One titles aren't even running at 1080p. Ryse is 900p 30fps, and Killzone Shadow Fall dominates next gen console graphics. Not trying to start a flame war, but running all of the games at 1080p is where some of that extra power kicks in.

Edit: Yes I know Forza is 1080p, thats why I said "most". In fact it is the only xb1 title running in 1080p. congratulations. Also, if you are implying that upscaled resolution looks better than native resolution, I can no longer take anything else you say seriously.
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4Sh0w  +   387d ago
brometheos, its not apples to apples though, its like knocking BF4 for being 720p 60fps vs KZ SF when we know BF4 gameplay has a more open style with alit more destruction and vehicles. And its worst because you're comparing most of X1 lineup which are totally different game types. I could see how maybe KI could be criticized for no 1080p but I think they decided early to just make the game run well because its cell shaded anyway.

Ryse and DR3 are not a fair comparison to a shooter being 1080p, DR3 is open world game with no load times tons of zombies and stuff to do just look at Watch Dogs res for example and Ryse is a cinematic action game hack n slash thats pushing hard on upclose kills. Then frankly the Knack at 1080p for such a basic game isn't impressive on ps4. So like it or not Yes ps4 doesn't have a AAA open world or action title on the level of DR3 or Ryse to make any fair resolution comparison to, so screaming about 1080p being standard is easy when the game types are easier and better suited for 1080p. 

Forza 5 and Driveclub are both racers and in that comparison Forza5 is 1080p 60fps confirmed.
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aceitman  +   387d ago
@4show here is a open world game u can compare and see the ps4 has the power to make a open world game look sweet. http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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Ezz2013  +   387d ago
@gozer
it amazing how you think your opinion is a FACT

and BTW
the specs for both consoles are already out
it pretty clear for any one with brains what the better system and by how much ....and that's a FACT
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BOLO  +   387d ago
Dat Damage Control.
B-radical  +   387d ago
SMH if microsoft got it wrong with 900p
The_Infected  +   387d ago
It's sad already cutting down in areas of the game to hit 1080p. I'm a console gamer but I'm seriously thinking about building a good cheap PC this generation especially with Steam going hard in the living room with SteamOS.
THamm  +   387d ago
Sony is full steam ahead with groundbreaking news almost every week. MS trying to finally get their act straight yet pr and 3rd party devs are throwing tidbits of very depressing stuff out there. This is a mess so close to launch. Looks like MS was 6 months behind and was sucker punched by Sony.. also I don't think anyone is going to pay attention to any X1 launch titles as they seem uncertain or unfinished/rushed
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Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II  +   387d ago
Full HD? yea 900p is full HD
beereal360  +   387d ago
get a real life
PSVita  +   387d ago
I don't know why everyone concerned with the graphics. Fanboy BS aside the game looks like $h/t. If it was a multiplatform game would we be fussing about the tiny( not So tiny) details? How about the story or how the game plays? We can go back and forth but I know when the game is released everyone's going to be saying "wait for this game(Titanfall) instead, it was just a launch game".
torchic  +   387d ago
you nailed it.

do we even know what the story of the game is like, what it entails? for such an on-rails, cinematic game the story has to be top priority here. Crytek haven't spoken too much about story recently which is bothersome. sure we know here and there and a few tidbits but not enough to gather real excitement for the story.

and then, the gameplay. that still looks boring and repetitve, not much inspiration behind it, no fun factor and that unfortunately can't change. not much else to say about that.

as you rightly pointed out if this was a multiplatform game neither fanbase would care about it. Ryse would be relegated into the realms of mediocrity simialr to the rest of the Crytek games portfolio (I actually enjoyed Crysis 2 though, must be played on Supersoldier to get full enjoyment out of it)
onyoursistersback  +   387d ago
Lol, 4uck this......I came to pick a fight!!!!

"XboxOne launch titles, are rejected Xbox360 titles"
BallsEye  +   387d ago
He is right saying it does look better than e3 build. As for graphics it's amazing. Gameplay? I'd have to play it myself...I'm still buying it for sure, love the setting and wanna experience the tech running real time! Good title to see that next gen graphics working on launch.
dantesparda  +   387d ago
No, it doesnt, it looks worst, its obviously downgraded. You can tell it has a lower polygon count, and worst shaders. You MS fanboys are fools and the laughing stock of fanboyism

http://i.minus.com/ibweIYsu...
ALLWRONG  +   387d ago
All this talk about Ryse and it's still the best looking next gen exclusive.
dantesparda  +   387d ago
Killzone smokes this, opinions are not facts, otherwise we have a problem here cuz your saying it looks better and Im saying KZ looks better, so which is it. To me the ONLY game I've seen that looks next gen (and this includes both systems) is KZ's single player mode. I've seen KI and Forza in real life and they are barely better than current gen. And its obvious Ryse's graphics has been downgraded, here take a look, and if you cant tell then you're obviously full of it (but then again all Fanboys are)

(word of advice, take the goggles off first)
http://i.minus.com/ibweIYsu...
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minimur12  +   385d ago
Deep down says hello :)

In my opinion i think its the best looking next gem game...... Hands down. Better than killzone, better that Ryse, better than any other next gen game, but thats my opinion.

I do think deep down isnt really being thought about here, which is a shame as its a great triumph graphics wise, i cant rember where i read it but Capcom said the Pantah Rhei engine was developed. Alongside the ps4 which is why it looks so good
imt558  +   387d ago
Excuse me, Cervat, but how in the whole world 900p upscaled on 1080p CAN BE NATIVE 1080P??????
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Ju  +   386d ago
Crytek found a new AA method using upsampling, obviously. /s
kenshiro100  +   387d ago
We'll see at launch how this game performs.
Gameratheart   387d ago | Trolling | show
Animal Mutha 76  +   387d ago
I played this today at eurogamer and I can tell you now technically this game is very impressive. If it is 900p you wouldn't know because it looks just as good as any 1080p I've seen and the lighting, AA and effects were of a really high standard. No frame rate drops or screen tearing even with lots of enemies. My friend and I played the coop demo in the gladiator area. Got a few combo executions :) All live xb1 consoles no bs. This is alpha as well can only get better but very polished already.
AsimLeonheart  +   388d ago
MS says that Ryse runs at 900p and Crytek promises full HD. There just seems to be no coordination or communication among MS executives, PR spokespersons and the developers. Conflicting statements, confusions and ensuing clarifications have become a norm for MS. I think MS firmly believes in the phrase "There is no such thing as bad publicity." They constantly stay in the headlines and spotlight even if for the wrong reasons.
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iamnsuperman  +   387d ago
I do not understand what has happened to Microsoft's PR team. Sure Microsoft's team wasn't perfect but it was a lot better than it is right now. So many differing statements. Looks like we will have to wait for further clarification again. It may not be entirely Microsoft's fault (this time) but if you are going to publish the game you better make sure you have a clear message being sent out by the contracted developers and yourself
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joeorc  +   387d ago
@iamnsuperman

"I do not understand what has happened to Microsoft's PR team."

I talked about this very issue a while back, and over the course of the past 3 or 4 years, no one really brought this up as a discussion.

i delve into this:

"The Change up over @ Microsoft and why Hard core gamer's may be worried"

with facts to back this up..i think this is at its very core the issue.

ED fries: Left after 18 year's over at Microsoft help create the xbox platform.

Robbie j Bach now [former Microsoft executive]

Ray Ozzie [now gone]

Peter Molyneux Hall of fame just like Mark Cerny

Also now Gone!

Nat Brown one of the [xbox founder's] Gone

as a matter of fact

http://www.huffingtonpost.c...

Kevin Bachus [yet another founder of the xbox project gone]

Seamus Blackley [yet another founder of the xbox project gone]

Ted Hase and Otto Berkes [both founder's of the xbox project and now both are gone]

J Allard

http://www.engadget.com/201...

the key people that help create the xbox project and made a pitch to bill gates, all loved Gaming and Were Gamer's at heart, all now no longer with the Xbox Project. look at both Nintendo and Sony's core people in key positions to keep hard core gaming in a front and center focus for their companies. They both has not lost this Many of the people who founded the principle and development of a game console for Gamer's.

Granted 3rd party is great and all but 1st party is just as important to the value for consumer's just as much if not more so than the 3rd party offering's. that's what people are worried about the people that made the case for the xbox from even being a reality in the market at all is all gone! that say's quite a bit on Microsoft's focus for a number of people.

http://forums.n4g.com/The-C...

think about this even ballmer is stepping Down!
I do not think it was "just retirement" microsoft needed a new direction.

and im not the only one:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

example invested 20 billion into Bing, return is 8 billion back!
pyramidshead  +   387d ago
Kinda almost feel sorry for XB1 preorderers(except the drones, just the normal consumers), it's sort of as if they have to hope at this point that their games turn at well in the end. Way too many inconsistencies going on. Quite satisfied I'm waiting until late 2014, hopefully they'll have their shit together by then and there's some decent games to play other than Ryse(only one I'm interested in.)
meatysausage  +   387d ago
It will be fine, I have no doubt that sony has been more organised and MS have been under the pump.
But then again its launch, games will always be rushed to meet deadlines. Im pretty happy with the quality of both consoles launch games. If you think about it, hardware was being finalised only a month or two ago, so you cant really be surprised that games are not hitting potential.
I have no doubt that if the xbox was more organised and launching say a little later that most games will be 1080p.

Kudos to sony though, seems they have been pretty prepared since feb
As I said, launch is always a rough time. Glad to be experiencing both day one
timotim  +   387d ago
Haha...its the "normal consumers" who you need not worry about. They are totally oblivious to this sad thing called the Fanboy Wars. They know what they see...that's it. They aren't concerned about 900p or even know what that means...they want to know does it look and play good. They will see its story and time period, see the gore and finishing moves, marvel at the graphics and upload their kills to Facebook for their friends to see. Scoring points on fanboy sites in fanboy forums is the last thing on their minds.
BallsEye  +   387d ago
Have you even seen the latest games? They all get upgrade form e3 builds. Dead rising full hd steady framerate and additional effects+sharper textures. killer instinct full hd from 720p, ryse getting huge upgrade if you compare it to old build. Forza recent video running in 1440p on yt looks phenomenal. I have no idea what are you talking about? Can't wait till I get my box!
turgore  +   387d ago
1080p if upscaled. Technically, it is full HD.
annus  +   387d ago
That's not true 1080p. I can take a 1px image and stretch it to 1080p, it doesn't make it so. Upscaling just fakes what would be there.
BOLO  +   387d ago
No no...You're right! I upscale all my NES games to 1080p full HD and they look fabulous! -_-
imt558  +   387d ago
Sorry, but no! That's not correct. Pixels only get muddyer from original 900p to 1080p.

This is original image before downgrade an 900p :

http://i6.minus.com/i0jxmzS...

And this is later :

http://i.minus.com/iHmP5GL7...
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7uff1  +   387d ago
And it's sad that this game's main, and probably only reason to be getting attention, is because of graphics.
CrimsonStar  +   387d ago
Still looks really good .
BallsEye  +   387d ago
Why you even bother to come to XO articles if you don't plan to buy one? You're a known biased troll. I don't lie I won't buy ps4 untill next year when some good games come out and yet I don't go to sony articles to b!tch around. No news in sony tab that you're here all the time? Or maybe you're just jeleous about what this launch title pulls off (in terms of graphics). Oh wait, you probably will jump on me saying GOW on ps3 looks better, lol.
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ThatCanadianGuy514  +   387d ago
All i did was state a fact.The game run in 900p.
Are you so defensive that facts are now considered trolling?
Tctczach  +   388d ago
I'm going to go with the CEO of the company, not Microsoft.
Bluepowerzz  +   387d ago
why would you even follow such a pr mess and game jesus man i hope they bring back drm for these idiots
lifeisgamesok  +   387d ago
"Ryse now looks far better than the E3 build"

There's some serious horsepower under the hood of the XB1 they are still improving the incredible graphic fidelity

And no LOD!!!!!

It's going to be breathtaking
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shivvy24  +   387d ago
i dont get why this game is getting bashed, if they get it looking better than the e3 build it will be amazing ! im getting a ps4 so this isnt some fanboy comment
OrangePowerz  +   387d ago
If they have no LODs than they need new graphics designers. There is no point in not using LODs because having no LODs makes it very inefficient and requires extra ressources that are just wasted.
Bluepowerzz  +   387d ago
lmao
lifeisgamesok  +   387d ago
If they can fit no LOD into optimization (the game is near completion so chances are they can) it will only make the game look great at all times no matter what camera angle or zoom

I can't believe a launch title looks this awesome
OrangePowerz  +   387d ago
It`s so optimized they had to reduce the resolution. Just the usual Crytek stuff for matter over substance, going for graphics at any cost and we all know how optimized their games are.

You can use LODs and have models look great at any camera angel or zoom and it`s much more useful to use LODs because if the model is far away it`s just a waste to have it displayed at full detail as you won`t make out the fine details anyway.
mhunterjr  +   387d ago
What?!?! Depending on the graphical detail of the title having LODs can totally kill immersion when the fidelity of characters changes with distance. I'll take no LODs and shaders over a couple thousand polygons the human eye wouldn't be able to discern anyway.

It's funny, some of the only gripes people had with the graphics over the old build was the appearance of pop in. The developers fix it, and folks still complain.
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OrangePowerz  +   387d ago
@mhunterjr

Thats a matter of how fast you can load the higher LODs in. Rage as example is horribly slow because of their mega textures unless you run the PC version and install it to an SSD. Other games that suffer from the same issues would open world games where you move around fast like GTA 5 or 99% of the games running on Unreal Engine 3 when loading a new level. All games use LODs and there are plenty of games that switch between them in a way that it isn`t really noticeable.

From what MS said previously the games would install to the HDD but also run from the disc at the same time and data would be loaded from both plus you have 5GB of RAM. Those things would be enough to have the LODs pre loaded and switch instantly without the player noticing it. Given that they opted to go with a method that takes up more resources than it would under normal circumstances and is highly inefficient and doesn`t provide much of a difference visually for the player, my guess would be that either their Engine isn`t very good at switching LODs effectively or that the hardware gives them issues. Given that the videos from Forza 5 so far show bad pop in in the rear view mirror and for objects ahead of the player it would seam that the later option would be the more likely one. Some of the games from Sony show also pop in, but to a far lesser extend with only minor instances compared to what some MS games show.
meatysausage  +   387d ago
Ill be waiting for reviews, the MP looks like rubbish to me, seems to be way off the gameplay of singleplayer.
Graphics are great, Ryse, Forza, Killzone and knack all seem amazing to me
imt558  +   387d ago
And weaker DOF ( depth of field ).
JP1369  +   387d ago
LOD is good, you idiot. Why use full polygon counts on objects that are far away when you could use those resources to increase detail on foreground objects? Man, the level of ignorance here is staggering.
lifeisgamesok  +   387d ago
So Crytek should use LOD to make every rendered object that isn't close look like shit so people can pause the gameplay and see a bunch of half done looking textures??

Yeah that's really smart *sarcasm*
JP1369  +   387d ago
They still use LOD on most objects, just not the protagonist. Literally every game uses LOD, including those made by Crytek. The fact that you're too igorant or dense to understand the benefits is very telling. Typically, there will be something like a half dozen different LOD models used, each with varying levels of detail. So, objects in the background won't "look like shit," they will mimic the drop in fidelity that occurs in real life. Also, LOD has an effect on polygon count, don't know why you think it means the textures would be half done. But, it's pretty clear you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about, so I guess I have my answer.
In short: You have no idea what you're talking about, and are quite possibly mentally disabled. Crytek mentions a lack of LOD of the protagonist on a slide and suddenly you think it's a next-gen feature and run with it. Wow, you're really smart. *sarcasm*
Fireseed  +   387d ago
Still excited after seeing them put in the final in game models. Plus the new shaders definitely add a film like quality to it.
Nazara  +   387d ago
Regardless of everything else, im curious about the choice on level of detail. Not using LOD on their geometry seems like an odd choice that will put extra burden on the hardware. Surely those polys can be better used elsewhere in the scene?
gamertk421  +   387d ago
No burden-the box is powerful!
Nazara  +   387d ago
It still seems like a weird thing to do. Even titles like crysis 3 use lod. Id just love to know their reasoning.
NoLongerHereCBA  +   387d ago
I don't understand why nazara gets disagrees, since he is just asking a proper and logical question. If they can now promise 1080p and a steady frame rate, then I don't see a problem. But if they are struggling with fps its a logical thing to do. If enemies are miles away and only exist as a small blimp on your screen, it would be suboptimal to render 50k polys if he's only 10px on screen. I doubt they will be that far away in this game, but its just an example.
kenmid  +   387d ago
These are some pretty impressive Gif

http://fc06.deviantart.net/...
http://i.minus.com/ibr2dgbh...
lifeisgamesok  +   387d ago
Thanks Kenmid that is the best animated face I've ever seen in a video game before
DigitalRaptor  +   387d ago
You can't be looking for it then. It does look very impressive, but Marius still looks like a video game character.

Even at PS3 level, Jodie Holmes looks like Ellen Page.
http://abload.de/img/beyond...

And David Gant look like, well... David Gant
http://i.minus.com/iTVrmWrR...

inFamous: Second Son http://fc01.deviantart.net/...
ziggurcat  +   387d ago
*cough*L.A. noire*cough*
Plagasx  +   387d ago
Wow, the detail is incredible. Best use of facial animation I have ever seen in a video game.
LetoAtreides82  +   387d ago
@kenmid his eyes and his tongue look off to me.
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Pancit_Canton  +   387d ago
Microsoft Xbone flagship launch title is 900p @ 30FPS. PR damaged control to the rescue.

He's probably talking about the PC version.lol
Fireseed  +   387d ago
I'm sorry.
Hercules189  +   387d ago
If 900p is terrible then what is 800p from the Order, oh yeah thats a ps4 title.
ziggurcat  +   387d ago
where are you getting 800p from? link, please.
1nsomniac  +   387d ago
I'm not a fan of the fan boy comments either about PR damage control but at least his is based on at least some merit. Unlike pulling a statement out of thin air about The Order being 800p that's just a desperate pull at straws!
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Angels3785  +   387d ago
A game a year away with nothing confirmed by the developer or sony or any actual gameplay footage..... vs a game nearing release......you are just grasping at anything you can. Plus it was the TRAILER that was mentioned on neogaf to just be in a weird aspect ratio which would fit 800p or so (if you read it)
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LackaJaKane  +   387d ago
This is very positive news, so it probably wont get as hot as the others.
Goku781  +   387d ago
Clearly this game is just "balanced" as MS says. Like Fox news.
donman1  +   387d ago
Yep... Microsoft is the Fox News of the gaming world. The miss information and lies just keeps on coming.
obelix01  +   387d ago
Nothing, is as bad as Fox news. Nothing.
Goku781  +   387d ago
Comes close though, remember someone rigged the preorder vote confirmed on one of the gaming sites in Xbox one favor. People will be voting with there dollars this November. Maybe this is more of the balance MS is talking about?

http://n4g.com/news/1349587...
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WeAreLegion  +   387d ago
Try NBC, CBS, ABC, or CNN. Just as bad, but nobody bashes them because they're on the other side.
theWB27  +   387d ago
So they announce a downgrade in triangles...then we see the improvement in the screenshot. Yerli, the company that puts visuals ahead of anything in Crytek, tweets this re-assurance. Real-time dangling items of the armor...nothing but improvements and people up there down it.

I seriously believe people actually don't want the X1 to be powerful and not be able to produce great visuals. So much that people are actually doubting CRYTEK when it comes to visuals...CRYTEK.

CRYTEK!
Pancit_Canton  +   387d ago
In PC graphics wise, they are one of the many best.

In consoles, not so much.

Frostbite 2 > Unreal 4 > Cry Engine 3
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theWB27  +   387d ago
They were dealing with the PS360...even though when I played Crysis on my 360...the visuals were great.

Now it's next gen hardware...while not quite PC...it's still grossly more capable than the current gen systems.

Seriously...this can't be mistaken for anything other than looking exceptional.
http://fc06.deviantart.net/...

@OrangePowerz
"that's not gameplay graphics and most like in engine cutscene using higher shaders and more detailed models just like other companies do that for current gen."

See my first post about people genuinely not wanting the X1 to have the capability to produce great visuals. To the point where you say it's still not gameplay...but a an in engine cutscene.
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OrangePowerz  +   387d ago
WB Crytek games on consoles are far away from matching the graphics of other developers on 360 and PS3.

As for your picture, that's not gameplay graphics and most like in engine cutscene using higher shaders and more detailrd models just like other companies do that for current gen.
4logpc  +   387d ago
Frostbite will never beat anything from unreal.
-Foxtrot  +   387d ago
@OrangePowerz

No point wasting your time with him, the guy and the others on here like to believe that despite people having legit concerns with MS after everything they've done since the reveal are a bunch of haters, "Sony fanboys", coming out with crap from thin air and believe everything MS does is golden
theWB27  +   387d ago
"@OrangePowerz

No point wasting your time with him, the guy and the others on here like to believe that despite people having legit concerns with MS after everything they've done since the reveal are a bunch of haters, "Sony fanboys", coming out with crap from thin air and believe everything MS does is golden."

I didn't label anyone any type of fanboy for one. For another there are plenty of in game videos...vidocs showing the visuals. I won't apologize for not joining in on the bash train others like to ride.

To sum up how hurt some people seem to get because others aren't on the bash train. You speak of believing everything Microsoft says. Well Foxtrot...this isn't coming from Microsoft. It's coming from the Cytek CEO...not Microsoft PR.

CRYTEK TWEETED THIS...NOT MICROSOFT. So despite yours and others constant whining and Microsoft "conspiracy" beliefs...this one doesn't deal with that. Crytek CEO does not work for Microsoft.

Again...the CEO of CRYTEK does not work for Microsoft nor its PR department. So continue to cry your river somewhere else.
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OrangePowerz  +   387d ago
All the comparisons I have seen so far have been from non gameplay screenshots and instead cutscenes, just compare the in engine cutscene models from Uncharted, Mass Effect, Gears of War etc. and than in game, in engine cutscenes use always more and better shaders and higher detailed models.

It`s the CEO taking about a game that`s exclusive for the specific console, surely he wouldn`t say anything negative about his own game or the platform the game comes out on. Just look at the gearbox CEO praising Alien Colonial Marines. It`s a s believable as Capcom saying that the Panta Ray demo was running in real time on PS4.
theWB27  +   387d ago
@OrangePowerz
You are trying your best to downplay anything dealing with this. Lol...keep it up. All evidence points to this game being the best visual piece of software at launch on the less powerful piece of hardware.

If you don't have any evidence to prove this game doesn't look the way it does then GTFO. Crytek has stated the same character rig is used in the cutscenes. It looks better than the E3 vid. And that build was running on dev kits.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.cinemablend.com/...
"Yes everything we showed at E3 and Gamescom was on kits. From my point of view the development is coming along well and with the optimizations we have put in, I am pretty confident the final game will look better than what we showed at E3. I even had to open the cupboard to prove it to some guys from Guerilla who didn’t believe me. At the demo stations our kits were on top of the cupboard directly connected to the screens, so no way we could have done anything else other than run on kits.”

If you can show any evidence to the contrary it would be well worth it to see it...if you only have your bash train doubts...well everything proves otherwise.
-Foxtrot  +   387d ago
"Again...the CEO of CRYTEK does not work for Microsoft nor its PR department. So continue to cry your river somewhere else."

But they have their hand so far up Microsoft's backside so you know...he wants his studios exclusive IP to do well on the console.

More sales means more money obviously, if he called their own game and put more people off the Xbox One then it means they loose aswell as MS.

It's common business sense
theWB27  +   387d ago
Foxtrot- "But they have their hand so far up Microsoft's backside so you know...he wants his studios exclusive IP to do well on the console.

More sales means more money obviously, if he called their own game and put more people off the Xbox One then it means they loose aswell as MS.

It's common business sense"

What you just posted makes no sense....whatsoever. Anyone who supports Microsoft, or makes an exclusive game is called into question.

Lol...this is truly comical. Like, epic comical status now. All you can really do is laugh and shake your head at people like you and OrangePowerz.

Always doubt...but never anything to back it up with other than your Microsoft, X1 hate. Keep at it...your attacks are losing more and more steam.
kryteris  +   387d ago
frostbite 2 > Unreal engine 3? Maybe. Cry 3, or Unreal 4? No.
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obelix01  +   387d ago
All of this wouldn't be a issue had Microsoft never made thier terrible mistake earlier this year. Now everything they do is analyzed & scrutinized. Including all thier games. It seems like a modern day witch hunt. Nobody else is scrutinized like this. Its getting old. If you don't want a X1 then move on.
reko  +   387d ago
and whos fault is that?
Hicken  +   387d ago
Microsoft's fault.
reko  +   387d ago
@hicken

you got it!!
Spoons  +   387d ago
Yah, at this point it is getting old. Ryse looks very good either way, you must be blind to think otherwise. It may not be the best looking game in the universe but it is the top five for know.
Hicken  +   387d ago
But some people DO want one. Or, at least, they want to want one. But when virtually every game and even the console itself requires weeks of "clarification" and such, any non-fanboy would be hesitant.

You're right that Microsoft brought it on themselves. Thing is: they continue to do so.

So why would it change?
TomahawkX  +   387d ago
How about they start upgrading the gameplay because it isn't looking so hot.
4logpc  +   387d ago
Looks fun to me.
PFFT  +   387d ago
Looks better than Whack i mean Knack. Yeah that game is whack.
cabbitwithscissors  +   387d ago
You can talk about Crytek's graphics being super duper fantastic, but all their games have been less than stellar. Graphics wise they shine, gameplay not so much.

Anyway, this guy should just shut the f**k up and complete the game. Results will speak for themselves.

Methinks that since this game is the only positive response from people so far, they are using it as a carrot to lure people to their platform. In short, they need to give out some good news about their games and platform, and this game is the one being used to do it. I'm not holding much hope for this. Being let down after so much hype is a real bummer.
srd4484  +   387d ago
he only came out bc you Sony fanboys were trashing the game and saying they downgraded it. What's a matter. He proved you guys wrong.
coolasj  +   387d ago
This just in, Upscaling to 1080p = Full HD.
Gore-Content  +   387d ago
hehehehehe
Scatpants  +   387d ago
This game could have a million polygons per character and it would still suck. The problem is the boring, bland looking gameplay and uninspired character design, not the graphics.
corvusmd  +   387d ago
This article is about Ryse...not Killzone, wrong forum fanboy.

Edit: So when you played it, what were the biggest pros and cons of the game?
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Scatpants  +   387d ago
I'm buying both systems. That doesn't mean I'm so blinded by brand loyalty that I can't spot a shitty looking game. If this gets anything over a 7.5 when it's released I will be amazed.
DigitalRaptor  +   387d ago
You're telling me that this is uninspired character design or design in general?
http://images.gamersyde.com...
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...
http://cdn2.dualshockers.co...
http://cdn2.dualshockers.co...
http://cdn2.dualshockers.co...
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...

Is there anything inherently bland and boring about this? http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Tell me again... which game has been receiving positive feedback and which game has been receiving negative to average feedback based on gameplay?

Tell me again which of the two is actually consistently good looking?
--

Yeah, keep the laughs coming dude.
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ziggurcat  +   387d ago
@ corvus:

please point out where he even mentions killzone.

because your failed troll attempt is pretty fail.
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corvusmd  +   387d ago
This is pretty much what everyone should have figured when they first heard this news...unfortunately most people never read the article and were tricked by a fanboy title. The changes they have made are actually promising, and probably make it look even that much better in motion.
ziggurcat  +   387d ago
actually only xbox fanboys figured because they needed *something* to spin.
Kuse  +   387d ago
Sony Fans go mad once more...so much hate...
chito1016d  +   387d ago
Honestly the better graphics on the xbox one is better for everyone. Even if this is an exclusive when it comes to multiplatform games, the less graphical system sets the bar. I want to enjoy my ps4 to the fullest and better xbox performance will only help me enjoy my system.
Plagasx  +   387d ago
There you go Sony Fanboys. Awaiting your next excuse.
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Gore-Content  +   387d ago
These guys should focus on the gameplay. Or did they forget what garbage Crisis 3 was?
larrysdirtydrawss  +   387d ago
gozer-With Ryse looking better than anything the ps4 has to offer, what does that say about the ps4?With Ryse looking better than the entire ps4 line up, do you realize how stupid it makes sony fanboys look when they claim the ps4 is 50% more powerful?

gozer, forza is cutting so many graphical corners that i lost count already.. face it,ryse took a gigantic downgrade,the poly were nearly cut in half.. and ryse does not have more overall polys per frame than kz,you just compared one main character..

look at the overall textures of the armor on the new look ryse,they're drastically washed out,they lowered the resolution.textures.and polys big-time since e3.. infamous is in its own league for open world graphics, deep down for a free game is prettier than any xone game,and kz multi-player alone is better looking than any xone game. and driveclub is doing every graphical trick with a very smooth framerate and has beautiful environments unlike forza. all imo. this was to be expected with xone's 12 c.u horse powered gpu and main ram(where all the real rendering/storing takes place) bandwidth being very small and slow. its not incompetent devs, just very limited hardware
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mhunterjr  +   387d ago
Man, you have know idea what you are talking about, you are making yourself appear to be very ignorant.

Ryse did not reduce its overall poly count. They culled the poly count on the main character (having it that high was a waste of power, because it surpassed a point where the human eye can't tell the difference). Still at 85k, there isn't a character in any existing game with that level of detail. (Not killzone, not infamous). The savings in graphical power was then applied to removing LODs, and improving shaders. For all we know the end result of this process increased the overall poly count per frame.

This is called optimization, not downgrading.in this case, it lead to an upgrade in the games visuals. it's something every game goes through in development.

Sony has some great looking games in its lineup, but Unless your a developer for Sony, you have no idea what kinds of concessions and trade offs are going on during development.

Please stop pretending you know anything about game development.
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kryteris  +   387d ago
if you cant tell the dif, get your glasses checked.

http://n4g.com/news/1363585...
imt558  +   387d ago
Ryse from downgrade has a weaker DOF ( depth of field ) and some grainy effect. Btw. look at this ( OLD vs. NEW ) :

http://cdn.dualshockers.com...

How the fu** in the whole world the image resolution is a 1811x1915 if game is 900p? It is made at Photoshop CS4, god damn.
pennywhyz  +   387d ago
These next gen consoles are turning into a let down.
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alexkoepp  +   387d ago
The exclusives for the new consoles look great, the problem is all the cross generation crap, current gen needs to just have support dropped for it... if you quit making games for current gen everyone is gonna buy the next gen consoles, cause we are gamers, and we want new games, whatever the cost.
badkolo  +   387d ago
i know what you mean, the ps4 has been letting me down with its lineup for a while now
srd4484  +   387d ago
wow Sony fanboys sure know how to turn a xb1 positive to a negative.

if this was a ps4 game, I'd admit it looks great.

these comments are so pathetic.

sorry this isn't a negative article from a kid on a blog site or from unnamed sources. From the CEO himself.
DOOMZ  +   387d ago
Sounds cool!!! I cant wait...
Tooly  +   387d ago
If it was killzone it would be a downgrade so of cousre its goin to go vice-versa.
kryteris  +   387d ago
It's not a downgrade? LMFAO! When you turn down settings so that the game runs smoothly with other important settings thats called a downgrade, you are downgrading the graphic settings so that it is playable and reasonable to how the game should be experienced.. if thats possible on your pos hardware. haha nubs.
Hercules189  +   387d ago
They downgraded the main character, but upgraded the shaders and other areas, so in reality its more of an upgrade.
CrossingEden  +   387d ago
http://www.cgexplorer.com/_...
Please explain to me the difference in visual fidelity between these two models. I’m waiting. -_-
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