Both the Nintendo DS and Wii may have sold more than twice as many units as the Xbox 360, but the folks at Microsoft are still quite pleased with their console's March sales performance...
The 360 just sells more games than anyone else this gen. Look at the Wii, it's install base is huge but the 360 still out sells it in games. Microsoft knows how to push software, been doing it for decades, it's what made them the number one software company.
They just have a no gimmick console that's all about providing people with all the games they can. They have had a goal from the very start, it was to get as many great games for their console as possible. They have stolen all sorts of former exclusive franchises from Playstation.
They knew from that start what they wanted. And people who buy XBOX 360 know what they want and what they are getting. And that's games.
snap out of it your always getting depressed by stupid crap like this
What in the hell is going on! Someone killed the real Lightning...or the lightning i thought he was...
What happened to you?I taught you were pro PS3?Well it's good to be able to see the good and bad in both consoles and i applaued you for that. Bubbles up
What in the hell? Did you just said something positive about the 360? Well there is a first time for everything. lol at Breakfast you mean sony fanboy n_n.
Lightning/PS3 Limps on and on.
In a week he'll be talking about how he's trading in his PS3.
can you say..............multiple personalities???
"You guys obviously dont remember the old Lightning Lightning/PS3 Limps on and on." WAIT!!! This is the same guy! Didnt he ruin his account because he said he liked little girls (being serious)? Omg...this must be his 10th account.
You guys are missing the point. The xbox 360 isn't making money. That attach rate doesn't cover the RRoD and all the development studios they signed. The facts are that they lost bioware, bungie, and the pgr development team because they didn't have enough money to please them. The xbox brand has only 4 profitable quarters since inception in 2001. Attach rate is almost meaningless. Nintendo is still sitting back and laughing. Attach rate is correlated with the amount of money you invested in developing games. For example Microsoft pays the most for GTA4 so obviously GTA4 is going to sell better on the 360. The two things off set each other and once again the attach rate number is almost meaningless. It's pure spin. One should only care about how much a company makes and how big of an install base it has.
RECORD FOR ANY GAMES CONSOLE
PEICE OF SH!T 2 HAD 120 MILLION SALES YET THE 360 HAS A BETTER ATTACH RATE.
The attach rate has NOTHING to do with the RROD... I'm tired of people digging around and pulling bullsh*t out of their a55...
Even if the console sales were a factor due to the RROD, that would only mean that the Xbox360 attach rate is actually HIGHER than 7.5... Let's break it down for the small brains...
I buy one Xbox360 and 8 games... My attach rate is 8... My xbox360 dies, so I have to get a new one... So, now, that's one more console sold. That helps the sales numbers BUT, I still only have 8 games. I didn't go buy the games again simply because my xbox died... So, now, I have 8 games, and 2 xbox360s purchased. that cuts my personal attach rate from 8 to 4...
So, if you want to bring their hardware failure rate into the equation, the attach rate is actually higher than 7.5...
Developers couldn't care less about the Xbox360 hardware issues... Xbox360 owners buy more games than any other console owners, and that's all that matters... As long as Microsoft keeps using incentives, and Xbox360 customers keep buying games, the Xbox360 will keep getting tons of developer support.
Could we have a source please?
ive tried to preach the same thing about attach rates. but people dont seem to understand simple math.
PS3 = pwned
by atleast 400-500k units How is it pwned when the difference is just 5000 units? also no 80 GIG PS3s were found in March . @others why am i getting disagrees?? lot of Potential ps3 owners are holding on to purchase because of MGS4 bundle. Plus lot of people like the 80 gig better than the 40 gig. GT5P launch saw PS3 sales spiked 80-90% in europe. so by all means pS3 pwned x360 by atleast 500k in terms of worldwide sales which includes Japan and Europe for the month of March
And how many prospective PS3 purchasers are holding out on the MGS4Pak? Sony shouldn't have announced it so early, but whatever.
I STOLE ALL DA 80 PS3S AND SET DEM ON FIRE. ARF ARF. I AM THE STEALLING NIGGER. FEAR ME!!!!!!!!
Dude, nobody cars about MGS4 as much as you do, it will not sell half of what Halo3 sold, and it will not save the PS3.
PS3 will still be in third place, world wide, even after MGS4 flops.
Todays casual gamers are not going for weird Japanese homo-erotic games anymore.
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PS3 REACHES AN ATTACH RATE EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE SOLD OVER 10 MILLION
BLU RAY ATTACH RATE 6
why isnt a stealing nigerr commnet and himself banned from n4g ? so u allow his user name maybe i should make a new account and call my self a pig skinned cracker
Because its funny and the mods like it. Black people are seriously funny and they really do steal. Read a statistics book. God bless.
how many times is this crap going tio get posted it was in there npd responce we dont need another artiicle saying the same thing
Yet you took the time to read and comment?
let them bask in the glory while they can. It's going to get rougher as the 08 marches on for them.
i didnt read it...
i read the same thing 30 mins ago in another article
usually when an install base grows in size, the attache rate of a console plummets.
oddly enough, the xbox 360 is the only exception to that rule. great console for games.
that the user base isn't growing as fast as the other consoles? Yet the other consoles attach rates are growing.
no.. I dont think you understand what I'm saying here. I'm just stating the "law" of attach rate: install base goes up, attach rate GOES DOWN. Xbox 360 is only one to keep going up on both. Thats not common. And no, other consoles getting higher install bases arent seeing the same numbers, so please stop and listen:
for an 18.5 million install base of 360s, the attach rate is substantially higher than average.
I mean for Wii it is 3-3.5 games (i think) and that has an install base of about 20 million, so quite similar install base to Xbox360 (18.5), but far different attache rate numbers.
Hell, Blu-Ray players had massive install base numbers and a tiny attache rate of disc's owned. Thats an example where the rule applied and made sense.
Thats a good point myabsolution, bubbles for you.
at least they can be happy
Attach rates mean nothing. They are only good to Microsoft, they don't mean, as fanboys want to think: "probability of selling more games, and therefore, probability of getting more games on your console". Pffft, that's bollocks, and here's why: Saying they mean that is as fallacious as saying that it means rate of game saturation, and that gamers might grow tired of it (after all, you could argue that the attach rate rate of growth has decreased) when it could mean both, or none. The only thing it proves is how hardcore its users are on average, how achievements are game sellers, and how Microsoft blew their load early by releasing all their ammo on the first two years of the console. It means that if your game sucks, it will still sell because of the achievement whores (Open Season or Ratatouille anyone?). Perhaps you could also say that many Xbox 360 owners are former original Xbox owners, which were starved for games... Edit: Agent 47, ignoring the fact that I own both a PS3 and a 360... I know it must sound counter-intuitive to you, but think for a second: Did you know that the Sega Saturn, which was owned by a lot of hardcore gamers (you know, like your beloved Xbox 360) had the highest attach rate in Japan during its time? It was also a failure.
You know very well the scenario worldwide in terms of HW and SW sales dont you? GT5P was launched in March in Europe and it spiked PS3 sales by 90% for the subsequent weeks. So you know the overall winner for March in terms of worldwide sales if you include Japan and europe. The winner had a massive victory by between 400--500k units
You didn't get the point, or you didn't WANT to get the point as you're an Xbox fanboy. Read Bathyj below us. Anyway, if you didn't get it, I should have said. "The Saturn was a failure. Like you".
I dont know why but I seriously bought alot of crap on X360. I'm not saying everyone is the same but its food for thought and explains the attach rate. When I first got it I was just buying everything, probably because it was the only next gen system available. I have over 30 games but only a handful would I keep if you could get anything for trade with them. (Ha EB offered me 7 bucks for Forza). I know I'm just being "ants at a picnic" but I think alot of Xbox owners do buy alot of crap as I did, waiting for the pearls in between. If you dont believe me: Needs for Speed Franchise nearly 4 million sold with 3 games in 2 years. Hell, even Kane and Lynch has sold a million on Xbox. Marvel: Ultimate Alliance nearly 2.5M? Are you for real. I mean sure comic fans might lap it up, but jeese. Meanwhile Saints Row sells more than Bioshock. C'mon thats not fair.
AGREE. no matter what negative spin anyone wants to say about high attach rates(silly fanboys), they're wrong. high software attach rates = will always be a good thing.
to developers, especially for MS being an underdog in the industry. Remember Ms still has to prove they are here to stay for good. They are one console generation behind their toughest competitor. that's a lot of ground to make up. Like 7 years. I think devs will wanna make games for he damn thing because some know they will at least break 1 million or maybe even. Thats good to know if your gonna put a game on a certain platform. either way you can try to spin it, if you want. The 360 will do better than the Original Xbox , I think, so whats so negative about that?
Attach Rates are important. And the dumb ones believe them. The Truth is that a lower attach rate is better because it signifies that the hardware sales rate is increasing; a higher attach rate signifies the opposite usually. The PS3 had the highest annual attach rate for most of 2007, which was horrible news. EVERYONE saw how abysmal the hardware sales were. Why Microsoft claimed to be doing 'worse' at E3 2007 is beyond me; they should have advertised cumulative software sales per quarter, not software or peripheral attach rates. Oh, and be wary of Annual vs. Cumulative attach rates. Cumulative will always be much higher.
I highly doubt that Sony can say that there attach rate is much higher then that infact until they can surpass the PS2 attach rate then they can talk about attach rates until then there just blowing rates in peoples faces.
Maybe devs should just give up on selling games on PS3 and build games for 360 and Wii. Let Sony have their precious Bluray market, and PS3 can be their flagship bluray player. Let us gamers have gaming back to ourselves.
Agreed. Look at the first gen and exclusive graphics of 360 games. THey had bump maps and nicely detailed visuals. Even games like PDZ and Kameo had good graphics. Lately most multiplatform games are having regular textures and lesser details no thanks to having to develop for ps3, which is pulling down on the quality of games for 360.
Dude, Kameo is one of the greatest looking games of all time. Period. And PDZ looks pretty amazing in a LOT of areas, too. I agree.
that jason 360 is very helpless. why is this?
it looks like 2008 isn't sonys year after all.with plenty of good games coming out for xbox360 this year
A real shame Sony can't count movies in their attach rate.
THEN THEY WOULD HAVE AN ATTACH RATE LOL
count as a full game, or as 1 game in your attach ratio?
Cause i mean if that true then these would be seriously skewing the numbers.
What about the attach rates for the "DLC mediums" and how might it effect anything...? Not to mention how sales are tabulated and compared with respect to all this infernal DLC for almost every game released for both the PSN and XBLA.
... I just wish I woulda bought stock in the gaming industry last year... all around they're doing pretty well in this economic slump.
MS Aaron Greenberg confirms in this interview that downloadable games are not used in their attach ratio figures.
NGB-"The attach rates for Xbox 360 continue to be strong, standing at 7.5."
AG-"And that doesn't include any digital transactions at all. In the history of all NPD data across multiple generations, no console life cycle has ever attached anywhere near 7.5 games."
The PS2 lifetime attach rate is 9.8 (11.2 in the US) and the PS1 attach rate is 13.2 ( http://games.slashdot.org/c... Keep in mind that the attach rate will generally go up the longer a console is on the market so it only makes sense that the X360 has the highest attach rate for this generation since it's been on the market a year longer than both the Wii and PS3. Think about it, if you buy an average of 3-4 games a year, then the longer you have your console the higher your individual attach rate will be. Now average that across everyone and you'll see why X360 attach rate is double the PS3 or Wii. It's because it's been on the market for about twice as long.
I don't think I would put any money on a forum post.
I agreed with you. I was rushed so I just copied the best formatted list I could find with google. Here are some additional references: 1) http://www.gamasutra.com/ph... Attach rate of 8.3 if you use the low range of 1B software units. This is as of Dec 2007. "Sony added that since its release in North America on October 26, 2000, more than 120 million hardware units and more than a billion units of PlayStation 2 software have been sold." 2) http://forum.pcvsconsole.co... Another forum post but one that tracks company reported sales figures. These are numbers as of March 2007. Attach rate of 10.5 based on a calculation of 1.24B/118mm. "PS2 Hardware Japan - 25,420,000 America - 47,680,000 Europe - 44,790,000 Total - 117,890,000 PS2 Software Japan - 228 million America - 565 million Europe - 447 million Total - 1,240 million" So the attach rate for the pS2 is somewhere between 8.3 and 10.5, both of which are higher than the XBOX360 attach rate of 7.5
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