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Watch Dogs is 30FPS on PS4 & Xbox One

Watch Dogs will run at 30FPS on PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, creative director Jonathan Morin has told VideoGamer.com.

"Right now the frame rate we're focussing on [is] a steady 30[FPS]," said Morin speaking to us at Eurogamer Expo this afternoon. "There's always a balance, especially for open world, between the simulation and the rest. (Jonathan Morin, PS4, Watch Dogs, Xbox One)

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gaelic_laoch  +   457d ago
It would be an awful shame if it turns out the PS4 got a gimped version!
solar  +   457d ago | Well said
This is your "Next Gen". Still years behind. It's laughable and totally infuriating at the same time. We are being sold a bill of goods.
Nekroo91  +   457d ago
its their choice to make the game realistic, or your forgetting that when gta sa was launched it was locked at 25 fps unless you went to options....
angelsx  +   457d ago
What ?
georgeenoob  +   457d ago
Not surprised. A 60fps open world game with graphics like that isn't supposed to happen at the beginning of a new gen.
JP1369  +   457d ago
What part of cross-gen launch title are you not able to understand?
DragonKnight  +   457d ago | Well said
I love how many people are b*tching about 30 FPS for games that DON'T NEED 60 FPS. Seriously. You people are whining about frames per second in a game where your response time isn't affected by frames per second. This isn't a shooter or a game that requires immediate response time. It's an open world game where you're supposed to take your time. I also find it laughable how many of you just ignore the development vision of some of these games and how developers may want to put the resources that would be used to make a game 60FPS into something that matters more to the game world in some way.

Get over the 60FPS. The human eye sees at variable FPS dependant on many factors so most people won't notice the difference unless they've been experiencing it on a normal basis. And for those of you that have been, suck it up nancy or stop playing on consoles and go back to your precious PCs and leave the rest of us alone.
solar  +   457d ago
Keep accepting a lower standard from these "Next Gen" consoles. All we have been told is about how powerful they are.
DragonKnight  +   457d ago | Well said
Low standard to who? You? I don't care about what your standard is. What if my standard places story or gameplay above petty non-concerns like frame rate? Is the frame rate going to help me understand why the antagonist is a an a$$hole? Is the framerate going to affect my opinion on how beautiful the art design of the game is? No. It won't. Standards are subjective. Where you throw a hissy fit over framerates, another won't care. Besides, you don't have any idea as to why these games are not at 60FPS but you automatically jump on "THE CONSOLES ARE UNDERPOWERED!!" Absolute lunacy.
thechosenone  +   457d ago
And yet when you look at a game like The Division which is next gen only, it runs at 1080p/60fps and is open world.

MGSV which is a cross gen game will run at 1080p/60fps...so I can't understand why WD can't run at 60fps.
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DragonKnight  +   457d ago
@thechosenone: Based on those two examples, it's not that WD CAN'T run at 60FPS, it's that Ubisoft has decided it's not necessary to run at 60FPS. They've decided that those resources are better used for something else.
Jaqen_Hghar  +   457d ago | Well said
"I am a 3d animator and have worked in the movie and video game industry for over 10 years and you fanboys are the worst wannbe tech people on planet earth. You have taken this 60fps bull crap and mutated it into your little calling card to validate the power of a system and for that you are stupid, ignorant, and totally lame.

When you go to a movie and watch legendary films like Star Wars, Full Metal Jacket, or The Avengers what the hell frame rate are you looking at you clowns???!!!!

When you watch Monday Night Football or an NBA baseketball game or the morning news what frame rate are you looking at you fools???!!!

Do you notice the difference between the look of a movie such a Star Wars to that of an NFL football game you idiots???!!!

Of course you do and it's all because of the mutherFn' frame rate. For movies the frame rate is 24 frames per second you stupid goons! And for an NFL football game or the morning news the frames per second is 30 frames per second you freaks!!!!

Frames per second is an artistic choice, it determines the LOOK of a game i.e. do you want your game to look and feel like a cinematic movie or do you want your game to look like a broadcast which is 30 frames per second or 60 frames per second for video games!!!!

Sure, it says a lot when you can turn on every graphical feature and your game can purr along at 60 frames per second but that's not the POINT of 60fps!!!! Again, it's a determination of how you want your game to look!!!

I personally prefer my game to MIMIC a movie. I want my Star Wars game or Lord of the Rings game to look EXACTLY like their movie counter parts which means they CAN"T operate at 60fps because that IS NOT a cinematic frame rate, that a video or broadcast frame rate!!!

So please, you idiots who preach this nonsense, just shut the F up!!! You don't have a clue on what you're talking about.

Everyone else- PLEASE copy and paste this message to educate the idiots!!!!

SMH

eman3d out!"
360ICE  +   457d ago
Well, your "current-gen" started out with blurry mess Need For Speed Carbon at 20fps around the bend, and it still managed to give us Most Wanted. Everything is gonna be alright.
Animal Mutha 76  +   457d ago
@Jaqen_hghar

Wow.

I hate fanboys almost as much as I hate Pikeys and door to door salesmen but I'm not sure if I should congratulate you and say well said ( you are right in essence ), or express shock that somebody of your profession/education/expertise would get so wound up and resort to a tirade of abuse like that (just not the way you said it).

I've given up trying to have rational discussion with most people on this site which i have previously descibed as the 'Sunday sport of gaming news' and ' a Sony gang bang'.Perhaps you too should look for a more enlightened audience elsewhere - maybe gamers over 30 like ourselves.

If you find such an place where reason and common sense prevail please let me know so I can come with you :)
Vegrad415  +   457d ago
@DragonKnight

The problem with that thinking is that 30 fps 'might' be smooth enough, but only if stays at 30.

60 fps dipping under occasionally is much more bearable than 30 dipping down to 20. All these devs saying they are 'targeting' a set fps should make sure the game never gets BELOW the target, not that it runs at target but dips under 50% of the time.
patterson  +   457d ago
@solar

I'd much rather have a game with eye candy at 30 FPS, then bland textures at 60 FPS.

To each their own.
DaGR8JIBRALTAR  +   457d ago
I'm starting to lose hope.....fast!
DragonKnight  +   457d ago
@Vegrad415: Well yeah, dips aren't fun but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about people losing their minds because a multiplat cross-gen game is at 30FPS. The game is playable at 30FPS but look at the fanboy hate tirade as if to say it's not playable at all, like they can't enjoy it at 30FPS. That's pathetic.
Vegrad415  +   457d ago
I mostly agree with you. I play pc games quite a bit but I put up with 30 fps console games.

I feel like the fps dips are relevant though, because devs this gen seem to be okay with adding more post-processing at the cost of fps. If they say their target is 30 fps, I know that means less when there's a lot on screen. Even as a pc gamer, I would be okay with 30 fps IF they truly kept it no LOWER than 30.
Ps4Console  +   457d ago
Go to YouTube check the difference out between that amazing E3 footage & the game now you will literally be amazed at the difference .
blackmagic  +   457d ago
@Jaqen_hghar

Most HD sports channels are 720p60 with some premium ones being 1080p60, HD news networks are 1080i30, HD movie networks can be 720p60, 1080i30 or 1080p30 and they all use a 3:2 pulldown because film is 24fps. Most HD broadcast tv today is shot 1080p24 and also uses 3:2 pulldown and broadcasts at 1080i30 or 1080p30.

Film is shot at 24fps because of very old standards based completely on the physical film media. Rolls of film were/are expensive so the less needed the better. Also, a higher framerate would mean that distribution would become more difficult due to the physical size of a roll of film that would need to be sent to theaters. Also, shooting at 24fps comes with a very rigid set of rules. For example, when panning the camera, there are very specific rates that need to be avoided because stutter is very evident at those pan rates. 24fps film is also flashed at 48fps in theaters (twice each frame) to help limit the eye's perception of stutter.

All of that is changing now though. The Hobbit was shot at 48fps and Cameron, that crazy canuck, is shooting the next Avatar movies at 60 fps. HDMI 2.0 was just announced and it supports all the way up to 4k resolutions at 60fps (possibly 120, still unclear) and LG has been showing 120fps 4k content on their UHD displays behind closed doors all this week at CEDIA.

I would expect someone who works in the animation industry would understand that the reason that film is still at 24fps actually has more to do with industry standards than anything else. You want your content to fully penetrate the market, to wring every last dollar out of every single possible viewer that you can and you can't do that if you create content that can't be played in every single venue so until higher standards are more universal we are stuck with 24fps in film but that is changing.
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lilbrat23  +   457d ago
Amen to DragonKnigh. The game looks awesome at 30-FPS (Which my eyes could probably not tell the difference anyways). What I am pissed off about is that ALL the other consoles get on Nov. 22 and PS4 gets it on the 29th. WTF? I love that you can go into another players game and hack, Sweet.
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UltimateMaster  +   457d ago
You do realize that if a game is gimped for the PS4, chance are it's going to be the same port for PC, like it has for years for many games. Not all games, but a port nonetheless.

We want developers to start using more potential, not only of the PS4, but PC as well.

Maybe even that so-called-cloud that Microsoft's been gloating about that boost graphics, that could be used.

If the games are just identical ports then what's the point to all this higher technology? It's just being wasted away.

We want the best experience regardless of the platform.
Don't limit our experience.
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solar  +   457d ago
oh DragonKnight. you are a funny chap. keep it up i like to laugh at you :)
AdamBombastic  +   456d ago
Oh my this is just sad. Maybe the guys comparing 24hz in movies to 24 fps in games should read a book or something instead of posting here.

http://gamasutra.com/blogs/...

24 fps is almost unplayable in most games. 24 fps is an "artistic expression"? xD
ShinMaster  +   456d ago
It all depends on the type of game.

Watch_Dogs isn't a fast paced twitch competitive shooter.

Movies are 24fps. To me, a game with solid 30fps feels more cinematic.
Have you watched any TVs using motion interpolation features? Movies feel like cheap soap operas.
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AdamBombastic  +   456d ago
@ above:

What does the soap opera effect have to do with gaming? Oh uh...absolutely nothing! That is caused from motion smoothing of 24hz content (film) to cable broadcast (30 or 60hz). Well you should get yourself a cheap PC, cap your framerate at 24 fps and see if the feels "cinematic". Its not apples to apples chief.
Cernunnos  +   456d ago
Indeed. Will be playing this on PC with 60fps+ and 1440p.
Dynasty2021  +   456d ago
Yeah, it's almost like the PC users were right all along about the hardware capabilities.

"Next gen" my ass.

NOW we will see the flood of "it's all about gameplay, not graphics" excuses like the Xbox fans are saying about RYSE's downgrade as the Xbox isn't powerful enough.

Yet yesterday everyone was arguing that the next-gen consoles were more powerful than PCs.

Smacks of pride-keeping to me.

Yesterday: "Hah, stupid PC elitists. The PS4 and Xbox One will be just as powerful! lol PC nerd losers!"

Companies announce graphical downgrades due to hardware limitations, 720p instead of 1080p, and 30fps instead of 60fps.

Today: "Yeah..well..who cares about graphics. It's all about the gameplay."

You console fans are like a bunch of kids.
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BOLO  +   456d ago
No this is your "Law of Diminishing Returns". Next gen starts when that Law says so.
Maddens Raiders  +   457d ago
@gaelic_loach - it's an awful shame /already/.
Beastforlifenoob  +   457d ago
Ive had enough people are saying "Remeber when ps3 was out so and so game was running at 30fps" Well PS3 at a extremely hard tech called cell tech and now the PS4 runs on x86 architecture which has been in use for years so what you get it what you will always get even 7 years in the future there will only be slight improvements and also learn about depreciating returns
Dynasty2021  +   456d ago
Well I'VE had enough of console fanboys spitting in the faces of PC fans, when it turns out that the PC fans were right all along.

The "next-gen" hardware in the consoles is too old, already.
irepbtown  +   456d ago
I think people should go back to the article and read it again.

"Right now the frame rate we're focussing on [is] a steady 30[FPS]," said Morin

They are focusing on 30fps, nothing in the article says that 30fps is definitive like the articles title suggests. What I've understood from the article is that they will make sure the that the fps doesn't drop below 30.

And no Dynasty2021, look at how drastically the PS3 games evolved; Compare Resistance FoM to say The Last of Us, or the First Uncharted (Drakes fortune? I forgot) to Uncharted 3. Heck, look at Multiplats, GTA V, how R* did it with 8-9yr old hardware is unbelievable.
Don't ever write off consoles, I will say PC will always be one step ahead (technologically), but Consoles will always have the devs who will create games like Uncharted/TLoU, GTA and so on (same can't be said for PC).

Enough with my rambling, I expect 60fps to be the norm next gen but not necessarily at release or even 2014.
Mystogan  +   457d ago
How cute, he thought that there's this huge difference in power between PS4 and X1. He thought that PS4 can do 60FPS.

This proves that there is no %50 power difference.
Angels3785  +   457d ago
Or it just says that's its not practical financially or good for public relations if one version shipped better than the other.....as some devs have stated in edge...this may be one of those instances....the multiplatform model doesn't really work for better versions. Some devs will take advantage some won't. As stated in edge time will tell. Or 60 fps wasn't a target for the team (not every dev team will optimize)
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gaelic_laoch  +   457d ago
It proves Turd Parties cannot be trusted to get max potential out of the PS4 for fear of upsetting their paymasters!

We all knews this would happen but the PS4 Secret Sauce includes a large dash of ND
KING85  +   457d ago
I think the situation is that many were under the perception that next- gen consoles would perform on par with PC. It simply won't be the case with some games and that is something that we all need to accept.
The Xbox 1 and PS4 will be impressive and will continue to be optimized throughout its lifespan. Yet getting open world games to run at 60 fps at the scale of grand theft auto is asking a lot from devs without thinking there will be compromises.
Syclonus  +   457d ago
weird i thought infamous was 60fps...
falviousuk  +   457d ago
Just mark up troll alert and move on, they are abundent on here, they even try to convince you they are not then go on to troll every article slating the xbox while praising the PS4 even though neither system has been released.

Both systems will be great, both will have great games and both will have poor games.

Same as its always been just like the sony trolls will continue with their smear campaign even though they are not interested in the xbox console. They spend more time slating the xbox than actually gaming.

Be a real gamer, not a sad troll loser
KwietStorm  +   457d ago
You meant you'd like this to prove it, when it really proves nothing.
pyramidshead  +   457d ago
You know you're reaching when you use a cross-gen, cross-platform launch game to quell your insecurities about the power of your system of choice ;).
Zeref  +   457d ago
@Syclones

Weird..I thought infamous and watch dogs are different games.
B-radical  +   457d ago
No all it proves is that both aren't as powerful as we would want but they are both getting good looking games atleast
Ezz2013  +   457d ago
wait!!...you really think a multiplat game ..and a cross gen game...from ubisoft... and a lunch title that is far far from using ps4 full power nor even xbox1 ....is what will show the power gap between the two consoles ?!

what the hell are you smoking ?!

also infamous SS from 1st party dev is an open world game with fully destructible environment at which something watch dog don't have
and look alot better than it too and 1080p native

and why you guys still show great insecurities about ps4 specs
the specs are out from both sony and MS
and indeed point out which console is stronger and by how much...those are FACTS
get over your self already
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Syclonus  +   457d ago
@zarqafasch it was a comment on open world and 60fps...
MysticStrummer  +   457d ago
"This proves that there is no %50 power difference."

Not at all. Parity is the name of the multi plat game.
BallsEye  +   457d ago
@gaelic_laoch

But I thought ps4 is so easy to develop on? Way easier than XO...you guys gotta make up your mind.
Conzul  +   457d ago
This is a third-party game built on a scaling engine. It will completely ignore the extra power in the PS4
thechosenone  +   457d ago
Relax people damn.
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Brix90  +   457d ago
@Mystogan

If the ps4 shipped out with 60fps you would be canceling your preorder. It doesnt matter every game doesn't need 60fps since if its not a shooter. Probably spent there time working on open world and graphics decided it would take a lot more time to get it at 60fps. Not a surprise though honestly, I mean Infamous is rumored that there pushing for 60fps and if not have you seen that game it looks amazing.
ShinMaster  +   456d ago
A third-party multiplatform launch game is proof??
Are you serious?
donman1  +   456d ago
This really proves the PS4 version was dummy down to keep the game inline with the inferior hardware of the XboxOne. Mystogan give it a rest already, countless AAA developers have already stated the PS4 is superior.
Dynasty2021  +   456d ago
Idiot.

And the cloud won't boost Xbox frames ever.

PS4 users will now have games only capable of running at Xbox's lower hardware specs, so they get a gimped game when the console is capable of running faster with better graphics.
ape007  +   457d ago
the truth is that ps3 and xbox 360 are STRONGER at their time than ps4 and X1 at their time

Watch dogs is built on a powerful PC of today which is more powerful than ps4 and X1, it's expected

if ps4 and X1 were 100$ more expensive, it would look the same as PC games for at least two years

but let's see it might be just because the 2 systems are fresh and need more time squeezing out power
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gaelic_laoch  +   457d ago
That makes sense!
falviousuk  +   457d ago
Oh my god, someone actually talking sense on here, I thought it wasnt possible.

Yes, you are spot on, these are new machines. Developers only had target specs to work with when designing games for the new machines, and is usually normal they are conservative with their games.

the same thing happened with the PS3 and 360. Look at the launch games compared to the games now, a big difference. I usually use COD as an example, COD 2 launch game for the 360 compare that with modern warfare.

Sadly the usual sony fanboys are blinded and cannot see past the words Sony and playstation.
B-radical  +   457d ago
This is true. When this gen came out the gpu's were great. For next gen both consoles are already lagging behind and the gap for the gen after next gen is gonna be even bigger gap. Someone honestly needs to make an upgradable console
falviousuk  +   457d ago
@B-radical

making an upgradeable console is not really doable. The reason consoles exist is that they are a set piece of hardware, it never changes, so the devs know exactly what they have to work with.

An upgradeable console has already been tried anyway, the 3DO had a module comoing out for it called the M2, This boosted the graphics and processing of the console quite a bit, sadly it was never released. Panasonic bought out the system and used it in a few arcade games.

RIP 3DO
MELMAN26  +   457d ago
Absolutely correct I dont get why people don't understand this.

It has always been this way, god of war 2 (on the ps2) looked just as good as any launch game on the ps3 or 360.

Its going to take time for these games to get were we want them, STOP WHINING.
Beastforlifenoob  +   457d ago
The X86 architecture has been used in PC's for an age now so developers know all about it, so I doubt it will be like the PS3 were devs were scratching their heads and balls wandering how to use cell architerucre.
Beastforlifenoob  +   457d ago
Its not going to squezze out any more power because it is using X86 architecure which PC's have used fo an age so devs already know all about it. Wheras the PS3 left devs speechless and not knowing what to do because of cell arch
SuperLupe  +   457d ago
Driveclub is 30 fps and is a freaking arcade racer.

Whats your excuse for that ? I mean PS4 got all that power and stuff.

Maybe thereS a secret Xbox version gimping it ?

Why does Knack look like a PS3 ainch game ? Wheres the xbox verson of that keeping the game looking like a next gen game ?

Please enlighten me.
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The Meerkat  +   457d ago
I'm getting a PS4 but I will never again buy a single fast paced game that is anything less than 60fps.
Xsilver  +   457d ago
wooooooooow bring up knack a small game designed to be like crash bandicoot http://www.capsulecomputers... looks good to me. and you wanna talk about games that look current gen lets start with DR3 you know that 720p 30fps that struggles to keep 30fps.then there's Killer instinct which for a fighting game can't do 1080p what's up with that.Ryse had just been downgraded to 900p 30fps and Drive Club is 1080p working on hitting 60 fps and yes it looks great http://gamingbolt.com/wp-co... and doing way more than forza so cry me a river.
and here is deep down which runs at1080p and 60fps http://www.gameranx.com/upd...
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Evilsnuggle  +   457d ago
Infamous Second Son character model are way more detail than wacth dogs are. Infamous Second Son 1080p solid 30fps CGI Quality graphics. If it is not 1080p on PS4 it was gimped so xbone want look bad or weaker than PS4
U for got that killzone & deep down are 60fps?

Why would Knack look surper realistic and next gen? Would u expect that from mario?
Knack is closer to pixar quality and shows better physics..
http://youtu.be/G_cLUD0tOC4...
Look what amd says about gddr5.. 512mb gddr5 > 1gb ddr3 by 20%(why nobody mentions this? idk)
http://www.amd.com/us/produ...

8gb gddr5 > 8 gb ddr3 by ?? who knows. Use ur logic.

Also all the xbone fans think ps4 is same as xb1 ur still idiots for paying $100 more for a casual gamer device..

ALso stop acting like sony fans are the ones sayin ps4 is 50% more powerful when this info came from devs!!!

That gddr5 graph says a lot..

Just like ps3 vs xbox 3rd party games will look the same and ps4 exclusives will out shine...

Not in just graphics but dev talent..

The last of us goty.. Nothing on xbox..

http://youtu.be/4i6TiYLwHW4...
real time...

"The PS4 Version of Final Fantasy XIV Will Run at 60 FPS, 1080p, Equivalent to Highest PC Settings"
http://n4g.com/news/1359428...

"PlanetSide 2 on PS4 to Look Like PC on Max Settings"
http://www.playstationlifes...

infamous character models look better than ryse models..

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Go play halo and wait for halo..
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DOMination-  +   457d ago
Yes, Knack is such a SMALL title, they only moved resources from a game called The Last Guardian to finish it, because it's deemed to be the more important title.
dmitrijs88  +   457d ago
For some reason I have a feeling it is.
DigitalAnalog  +   457d ago
So if this is what it's supposed to be running on "next-gen"? What exactly are the running on current-gen? 480p/30fps?
TRD4L1fe  +   457d ago
you are troll amoung trolls

do you have any other hobbies or do you specialize on just trolling
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eman3d  +   457d ago
Time for class, read now.

I am a 3d animator and have worked in the movie and video game industry for over 10 years and you fanboys are the worst wannbe tech people on planet earth. You have taken this 60fps bull crap and mutated it into your little calling card to validate the power of a system and for that you are stupid, ignorant, and totally lame.

When you go to a movie and watch legendary films like Star Wars, Full Metal Jacket, or The Avengers what the hell frame rate are you looking at you clowns???!!!!

When you watch Monday Night Football or an NBA baseketball game or the morning news what frame rate are you looking at you fools???!!!

Do you notice the difference between the look of a movie such a Star Wars to that of an NFL football game you idiots???!!!

Of course you do and it's all because of the mutherFn' frame rate. For movies the frame rate is 24 frames per second you stupid goons! And for an NFL football game or the morning news the frames per second is 30 frames per second you freaks!!!!

Frames per second is an artistic choice, it determines the LOOK of a game i.e. do you want your game to look and feel like a cinematic movie or do you want your game to look like a broadcast which is 30 frames per second or 60 frames per second for video games!!!!

Sure, it says a lot when you can turn on every graphical feature and your game can purr along at 60 frames per second but that's not the POINT of 60fps!!!! Again, it's a determination of how you want your game to look!!!

I personally prefer my game to MIMIC a movie. I want my Star Wars game or Lord of the Rings game to look EXACTLY like their movie counter parts which means they CAN"T operate at 60fps because that IS NOT a cinematic frame rate, that a video or broadcast frame rate!!!

So please, you idiots who preach this nonsense, just shut the F up!!! You don't have a clue on what you're talking about.

Everyone else- PLEASE copy and paste this message to educate the idiots!!!!

eman3d out!
Soc5  +   457d ago
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with what you said but the way you write doesn't sound like you have been working professionally anywhere for ten years let alone
the movie or game industry. If you did you probably wouldn't write like an upset kid in high school. If you want someone to believe your comment don't resort to making stuff up which is painfully obvious isn't true because it makes you look like the "idiot". If you think I'm wrong then post some of your credentials.
Ducky  +   457d ago
"I want my Star Wars game or Lord of the Rings game to look EXACTLY like their movie counter parts which means they CAN"T operate at 60fps because that IS NOT a cinematic frame rate, that a video or broadcast frame rate!!!

So please, you idiots who preach this nonsense, just shut the F up!!! You don't have a clue on what you're talking about."
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I have trouble believing that you yourself have a clue about what you're talking about.

Movies/Film contain motion blurring, something which games can't render as effectively.
Try freezing a frame of a video and compare it with a frame of a game.
It's two different beasts that you're trying to equate.

You've also overlooked the entire interactive aspect of games. A higher frame-rate means more responsive controls, leading to a more immersive experience.
There's a reason games aren't at 24fps, you know.

You shouldn't want your games to mimmic movies because they aren't movies, and you'll be hard pressed to find a single developer that has ever restricted their frame-rate because they wanted 'that look'.
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gapecanpie  +   457d ago
It amazing me just how weak these systems are. The fact that one game Resogun is already using 50% of the ps4 CPU and the system isn't even out yet says a lot about how weak it is and this thing is supposed to last 10 years in the market??? Lmao
RevXM  +   456d ago
Like the ps2 did?
You know 10 years is relating to the lifespan of the console production start to last console assemdled. For all we know PS5 will release 4 years from now. I think even a mid spec console like Ps4 will do fine for a couple years.

I am slightly dissapointed that Ps4 doesnt mirror the ambition of technology that Ps3 did, But Im getting it regardless. All the AAA games look awesome and I really couldnt do without the gamecentric qualities of Playstation/SCE.

Dont get me wrong there is plenty to play on PC, but Sony games are something special to me.
JunioRS101  +   457d ago
Has there ever been even a single fact that has suggested something like that? Ever?
dale_denton  +   457d ago
it's 2013.. everything should be 60fps or more now.. esp for next gen. might as well just buy the ps3 version.
SlapHappyJesus  +   457d ago
Welcome to "next gen".
Please though, find another excuse for the poor performance of your console of choice.

Face it, unless it is a first-party title - allowing for them to really dig into what the system offers - you will be seeing a lot of this. Even then . . .
Can't wait to see how this thing handles future engines. I remember the blurry performance mess that was FarCry 3 on 360.
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Ps4Console  +   457d ago
Is it really the next gen ?
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assdan  +   457d ago
Where did you get the idea that it would? Right now it sounds like they'll be the exact same thing.
vandal GAB  +   457d ago
As long as it never dips below 30fps then it's fine.
sckipt  +   457d ago
Im 90% sure that before they said this people thought it was running at 60fps
MEsoJD  +   457d ago
That's a real shame. 60fps should be the standard and anyone that says they can't tell/feel the difference are just lying to themselves.
FlyingFoxy  +   457d ago
Some people really have no clue what they are talking about, yes there are some games that look just OK running at 30fps on a console.. but MOST games are a LOT more fluid looking running at 60, you have to play one game on PC and lock the framerate to 30 then 60 to really see what i'm talking about.

Films/Movies and game frame rates are completely different, because depending on what speed video footage is taken then that is the frame rate and it does not fluctuate, plus they have motion blur. Low frame rates in games affect reaction time of controls as well as having a slower strobe ish look to them during motion.

Video's are all PRE-RENDERED, games are live running on the given hardware.

Apples/Oranges.. not the same, and people still compare performance by saying about that.
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Jazz4108  +   457d ago
Im sure the skys will turn black and the water to blood. Did someone say troll oh well it looks like they fell into the mess they created
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triforce79  +   456d ago
Well i haven't seen a ps4 game yet do 1080p at 60fps so nothing new...WiiU on the other hand has,Smash,Zelda,Bayonetta2,X,M ariokart8,Donkeykong,all hitting Full HD Native.
boya3gob94  +   456d ago
You do realize that even gta 5 can run at 1080 60fps if its downgraded enough right? And if you think no ps4 game look better than wii u gamrs then you are either a delusional in denial fanboy or you seriously need to have your eyes checked .

And btw Killzone Shadow Fall, the best looking next gen game so fat, runs the multiplayer at 1080p 60fps
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TheOneEyedHound  +   456d ago
I'am not buying it for this reason alone. Ubisoft lost all my money for all their games this gen.
Adolph Fitler  +   456d ago
What do you mean IF IT TURNS OUT??? It's bleeding obvious it is, as developers like Ubi, Hacktavision, & EA DO NOT optimize for the better console....We know that....they are mega rich companies that refuse to spend any extra development money, or time, to make a game run properly, or superior on better technology...Just look at EA's early PS3 attrocities at & near launch with Fifa & Madden & those, that suffered horrid frame rate issues, because EA rushed & failed to properly optimize these games, so they could get them to launch, knowing they would clean up financial anyway.
Kornholic  +   456d ago
One has to also remember that 30 fps creates a more cinematic feel to the game. Almost every movie is running at 20 frames per second.
DEEBO  +   457d ago
sounds like the x1 is holding the ps4 back.will infamous SS be 60fps?looks like sony is going to have to do the heavy lifting again.i really don't think it's right to hold one system back to make a game look the same on both consoles.
JimmyLmao  +   457d ago
it wont happen, dont worry...

if anything it will be 1080p 30fps on PS4, 900p 30fps on XB1

which is roughly a 50% increase in performance, did you know

1920x1080x30 = 62.2 million pixels per second
1600x900x30 = 43.2 million pixels per second

43 + 50% = 64

I think some people have in there head that a 50% increase is some huge amount, it is not really that huge, but it is noticeable.

Keep in mind a 50% increase is only a 30% decrease (64 - 30% = 43)
but it is also a 20% difference
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Dark_Vendetta  +   457d ago
Ok thanks for fuc*ing my brain just after waking up
Convas  +   457d ago
44% is not "roughly" 50%.

Come on. Rounding, how does it work?
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DOMination-  +   457d ago
Well, it WILL happen because.. the developers themselves confirm it in this very article.
triforce79  +   456d ago
It's a multiplat game on new hardware so please stop trying to compete with numbers so early,look Nintendo has shown beautiful nextgen graphics at 1080p native in MK8,Bayonetta2,Smash Universe ect ect for 2014,ive seen no games running the same on ps4.....Hmmmmm
Corpser  +   457d ago
Notice they didn't say pc version will be limited to 30 FPS, so ps4/xb1 are not holding pc back, so why would xb1 hold ps4 back? What's stopping ps4 from looking like the pc version?
DEEBO  +   457d ago
that contract MS use with the 360 that developers was not to show 360 games in type of bad way even though the ps3 was the better system.
SlapHappyJesus  +   457d ago
N4G
Blame Microsoft for everything.
If the consoles start not living up to people's expectations, claim Xbox is holding us back . . . despite the logic you just used in your post.

This idea worked last generation. PS3 was a mess to develop for and they didn't put the time in. The new consoles are, essentially, PCs. Can't use the same excuse this generation.
triforce79  +   454d ago
Look at the end of the day wiiu,ps4 ect could do 60fps if the devs really wanted thats that...and we will look bk at these graphics in 3 years and say what a load of crap..

All 3 nextgen consoles should be 60fps or more end of....devs get worse at developing games as the power gets more,gamecube did 60fps on resident evil 4 ??? yet watchdogs only does 30fps on ps4 ?? ps4 is like 100 times as powerful this is lazy developing if u ask me.
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adventureghost124  +   457d ago
I'm sorry what?
secretcode  +   457d ago
tbh I don't care what a game's FPS is as long as it's fun. :x
Irishguy95  +   457d ago
FPS affects the gameplay...

One of the main reasons shooters end up very noticeably better on PC
5h4h4b  +   457d ago
What about resolution?
pyramidshead  +   457d ago
Rumoured 720p apparently. Who knows though. Could be a higher res on ps4 but Ubi gotta do the whole parity thing so chances are you'll see mad trade offs on both sides.
5h4h4b  +   457d ago
720p :(
dmitrijs88  +   457d ago
GTAV is 720p...this isnt next-gen at all.
Riderz1337  +   457d ago
As long as it's a stable 30 fps I am fine with that. It gets very annoying in GTA V when the FPS drops to ~20 =/
GusBricker  +   457d ago
I never had a single framerate issue with GTAV, not one. I played on the 360.
inf3cted1  +   457d ago
There are framerate issues on both consoles.
hollabox  +   457d ago
PC version for me
5h4h4b  +   457d ago
:) yeah bro that will be the best version. Can you tell me about your setup and cost bro.
hollabox  +   457d ago
Still on the X58 platform
I7 970 OC (4.1 GHZ)
12GB DDR3 1600 MHZ
2GB Nvidia GTX 670 OC
256GB Samsung SSD 830
1TB Seagate HD
320 GB WD HD
Cooler Master Comos Full Tower
850 Watt Thermaltake Bronze PSU
HDMI audio out to my Sony STR 830 AVR
connected using Polk Monitor 60s, T15s, CS1 center channel and BIC 350 subwoofer
Samsung 3D 120 HZ SA27950D monitor.

Display port to HDMI out to my Sony STR DN840 AVR receiver with Polk Monitor 75s front, Polk Monitor 70s rear, CS10 center and POLK PSW 110 Sub.
Samsung PN8000D 3D Plasma

Future upgrades will probably be my video card, looking forward to going back to AMD. Next I probably will upgrade my subwoofer to either Polk PSW505 or BIC F12.

Very expensive setup, my PC alone cost me about $2000-2100 not including the monitor or AVR receivers its connected to. But hey I can afford it, went to college for IT, escaped with only $20,000 in loans, no kids so yeah I like to buy nice toys at reasonable prices.
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deadfrag  +   457d ago
Expect to see frame drops froM 30FPS to 25 if this happens it just shows how crap this devs are.Its very notible on the videos i have seen that the 30fps are not stable,i just hope it gets really optimize framerate,if not is lame.Not buying until i see if they really nail a steady framerate on new consoles.This is new generation new hardware theres no reason to get flutuations on framerates bellow 30fps.
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F4sterTh4nFTL  +   457d ago
lolNextGen.
Neixus  +   457d ago
considering ACIV runs 1080p/60fps on Ps4, the resolution will probably be 1080p aswell.
ape007  +   457d ago
yeah but AC is an enhanced currentgen game, watch dogs is full nextgen, so cuts are needed
Riderz1337  +   457d ago
How is Watch Dogs full next gen? It has a current gen version also...You think they created a completely new engine just for next gen consoles?

It's probably just an upgraded engine. Also, I never knew AC 4 was going to be 60 FPS...Awesome.
bobacdigital  +   457d ago
Next gen consoles... Current Gen PC.
dmitrijs88  +   457d ago
is wii-u full nextgen console? then how come watch dogs runs on it too?
ape007  +   457d ago
watch dog is built with nextgen PC/systems in mind and then downgraded to current gen

AC4 looks to be mainly built for currentgen with an enhanced nextgen effect, think of burnout revenge on xbox 360, enhanced currentgen
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Ezz2013  +   457d ago
hmmm, both are cross gen games
but ACIV is 1080p 60fps
while watch dogs only 720p/30fps
chrissx  +   457d ago
Man,don't tell me cuz of xbone we won't be getting great quality multi-plat games on the Ps4. Well atleast thers gonna be some real great exclusives that will seperate the real and the wanna bes
TRD4L1fe  +   457d ago
this is why you only have one bubble, wait for both consoles to release then you can make all the bias judgements you want
ExDexteraDomini  +   457d ago
If the game is as dense as it is, and the graphics are at a reasonably high level, 30fps is understandable. These next-gen consoles are good, but we shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking that they're TOO GOOD or that devs are going to be extremely skilled at utilizing everything with these games being released near the beginning of the consoles life cycle.

If I'm perceiving this correctly, it seems these next-gen versions will offer gameplay and game density near the same as their corresponding PC versions, but with the graphics toned down to the point so that this is possible. I know their goal is to give the same experience with current-gen versions, but we know the graphics will be low, and its likely the physics and density will also be much lower.

Reasonable expectations amigos, the next-gen versions will be good considering all circumstances. No worries.
Cherchez La Ghost  +   457d ago
@gaelic_laoch

Why do you have to troll in majority the time when you post?! Damn....!!

Anyways, a game like Watchdogs have a lot going on in the background. You must have balance in order for a game to run smooth. I trust Ubisoft with Watchdogs, The Division & The Crew. Balance the game for a enjoyable experience for gamers.
sigfredod  +   457d ago
He doesn´t know if will be 720p or 1080p less than 2 months of release? cough cough bullcrap
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leahcim  +   457d ago
WTF

I want 60 fps in all my nex-gen games!!!
ape007  +   457d ago
as expected, it's hard getting a technically massive open world game running @60FPS at launch, that might be happening 2-3 years down the line
wishingW3L  +   457d ago
this is a last gen port...
SonyNGP  +   457d ago
Who didn't see this coming?
CallDaCheeseBox  +   457d ago
I'm tired of these games running at 30 fps... Fps is a really big factor to me, and over this last gen I've started to get sick of low fps. If this is how next gen will be too, I may be forced to buy a gaming pc.
wishingW3L  +   457d ago
PC is your only option then.
EXVirtual  +   457d ago
You can't really expect a $400 console to play an open world game with graphics and a dynamic world like this at 60 FPS. Especially at launch.

You can go ahead and build or buy a gaming PC, but you're gonna have to pay a LOT of money.
Kuse  +   457d ago
too funny....
bobacdigital  +   457d ago
I personally think devs would rather shoot for 30 fps with alot more eye candy than have a game at 60 fps with less.
specialguest  +   457d ago
It would be a shame if it was running below 1080p and 30fps. The dev said he doesn't know if the res is 720p or 1080p.
EXVirtual  +   457d ago
Not surprising at all.
It's an open world, cross gen launch game. Of course it's not going to be @ 60 fps.
Question:
Are you really expecting a full 60fps on ALL next gen games? Think about it. You're getting some pretty sweet looking graphics, and then a steady 30 fps. So of you want a full 60 fps on all next gen games, then you're disregarding the fact that the graphics wouldn't be as good. Not to mention the consoles wouldn't be as reasonably priced as they are.
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wtopez  +   457d ago
How is this surprising? I think it's rather impressive considering that the game is running on such weak hardware. I mean an AMD 1.6 - 1.8 CPU? My work laptop is more powerful than that.
TwistingWords  +   457d ago
So by the logic here, MS is paying Ubisoft to make the PC version the best, to spite Sony and the PS4...

Thanks MS!
SonyNGP  +   457d ago
lmao
cyclindk  +   457d ago
As long as that 30 fps cut is being put to good use on the rendering of an immensely beautiful and interactive (persistent) world, I am fine with that.

We are playing GTA V Ubisoft and there's lots to do, don't let us down.
sourav93  +   457d ago
Well, even though I'm disappointed, it's a 3rd person shooter. So 60fps isn't mandatory. It won't be too bad.
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jcnba28  +   457d ago
So much for "next gen" lol
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