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Submitted by Emilio_Estevez 329d ago | news

VALVE Officially Announces Steam Machines

'A powerful new category of living-room hardware is on the horizon.
Join the hardware beta now.

Choose the model right for you in 2014.' (PC, Steam, Valve)

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Wizziokid  +   329d ago
This could be interesting depending on price point etc, this could be a real contender,

EDIT:
47 Hours, 47 minutes until the final announcement, by the looks of the logo it could be a look at a prototype piece of hardware.
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Feralkitsune  +   329d ago
There isn't one. This will be Multiple different machines.

"Beginning in 2014, there will be multiple SteamOS machines to choose from, made by different manufacturers."
The_Infected  +   328d ago
Yes multiple Steam consoles including Valves prototype.

Valve: We have designed a high-performance prototype that’s optimized for gaming.

@Timesplitter14

Oh I see. Thanks for the input:)
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Timesplitter14  +   328d ago
those multiple machines still have their price. That's what he's saying
shutUpAndTakeMyMoney  +   328d ago | Well said
@The_Infected

They are not consoles.. small PC u can upgrade.

Glad valve is doing this!!

Cancelling ps4 would be a joke. I still need my sony exclusives.
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Hatsune-Miku  +   328d ago | Well said
I cant wait for the ps4. I want to play amazing games and not playing games to get my system to run. I have a gaming 0c already which was a massive waste of money and time. Steam machine just seems a bit pointless imo when you have unified consoles that dont have hardware issues and software issues like a lot of gaming pcs. To each his own

Ps4 is the future and the future is ps4
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UltimateMaster  +   328d ago
Steam box, I knew they were coming.

Here's one thing, tough.
They say they don't believe One Machine to rule them all, you need a variety of choices.
Wouldn't that make optimization quite harder to make it on several hardware platforms rather than just one?
Just curious.
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P0werVR  +   328d ago
Great for the gaming industry as a whole. NICE!

Loving this, gaming is getting better and better for the best.
adorie  +   328d ago
@Ultimate

Just a theory here, but I think the machines will share some consistencies and can be developed for with linearity. I'd like to entertain the though of these boxes having familiar architecture.

They could be going a similar route as the PS4, but of course, this is Valve, so it will be REALLY interesting to see what route they take with hardware.

I'm ready to be a tester and will take it very seriously, if I can get in. I think 3 of us here will be opting to try and get in the beta.
NatureOfLogic  +   328d ago
This will fail hard. It's basically a mini gaming PC hooked to your tv minus a disc drive and windows OS. I don't think It'll be successful unless It's dirt cheap compared to consoles. I also think someone should release one with a different OS and a disc drive, that would get my attention.
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stevehyphen  +   328d ago
It won't fail hard. I can't see why you won't just put Windows on it if you really need it.
If anything, the new hardware allows PC hardware vendors to more directly compete with game consoles.

Just think of it as an open ended ps4 where the software and hardware can both be modified.
The only drawback at the get go will be lack of direct support for many games. I doubt this will be an issue for very long as many devs are already at work on games for ps4 where they are operating in BSD and can make direct use of OpenGL.
kevnb  +   328d ago
steamOS pcs, we've never seen anything quite like this... at least not from a company with a store like valve has. steam already has pc games distributed only by them. you alrwady see multiplat games as on xbox, playstation and steam, its getting interesting to say the least. oh and steamshop is pure gold!
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Ju  +   328d ago
This will be very interesting to watch.

One of thing: It's open. Means, for people who always wanted to write games - but are interested in a console - this can be an awesome indie platform. Even if it's only to play around with.

Reminds me a little bit of the Spectrum, Atari and Amiga times. Glad we will have a choice again.

OTOH, I don't know how successful these things can be. If anything it might pan out like Android. HW partners deliver machines in different configurations and can compete there while Valve maintains some standards. But those "machines" must be readily available and if those want to compete with a PS4 they must be fairly cheap - which I fear puts the majority to the low specs side.

I doubt a fully open platform will work. Developers have to work towards a common denominator which usually is always on the low end. Sure, code can be written to scale but it won't be fully optimized. Well, Asus or Samsung could probably top PS4 specs with the same price or below (-BD drive).

The other big thing for me is, if I'd think the PS4 is to underspeced, I'd like to have the option to really get me a powerful console - no matter what the price is. A SteamMachine would provide that.

And...or but...all games must support controllers! Sure, KB/Mouse will be fine. But it still is far from a standard. There are games out - even recent ones (BF3!!) which makes you touch the keyboard mid game, because it has never been fully tested with controllers. That's embarrassing. Valve needs to enforce this! Otherwise BigPicture will fail.
ShinMaster  +   328d ago
Multiple different machines by different manufacturers running SteamOS.

So it's like a Windows PC, but with a better OS?

Seems to me like it's competing with Microsoft(PC) and not consoles.
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Prcko  +   329d ago
nextgen console preorder cancelled...
joke :)
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Robotronfiend  +   328d ago
I didn't pre order a next gen console because I planned on moving to SteamOS and using big picture mode for gaming next year.
Saryk  +   328d ago
After the red ring of death 4 times in one year. I wouldn't pre-order anything.
Jazz4108  +   328d ago
It sounds to me like most people are confused what this is even for. I think Mr. Newell has a personal issue with ms because of the windows eight store and this is his way to compete. Most people, me included do not understand if this is to compete with our console gaming or pc gaming but I think I am leaning towards both.
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darthv72  +   329d ago
I had a feeling this was the idea. Valve themselves may not make the box but licensing their steam OS to 3rd parties can result in dell or alienware or falcon NW making steam powered gaming set top boxes.

Me personally, I would dual boot the steam OS for games that support it and Windows 8 for productivity applications.
omni_atlas  +   329d ago
Why would you dual boot? Steam runs in windows!
Kayant  +   328d ago
Btw OEM's don't need a license because it's GPL and free ;)
darthv72  +   328d ago
Thanks kayant...my bad.

@omni, because the idea of the steam Os is a dedicated gaming OS where as windows does gaming but is more for productivity (business related).
Ju  +   328d ago
Dualboot makes sense: No bloatware running in the background and hopefully a leaner and faster OS than windows. SteamOS is optimized for gaming after all (not an OS first, gaming second). I might as well do that, too. Refactor my PC and get best of both - or all - worlds. PS4, PC and my current console. I just hope they'll support CrossFire.
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ChrisW  +   328d ago
From what I've read so far, SteamOS is not a dualboot-able OS. It still requires another PC to stream from via WiFi...

As soon as it becomes a full fledged OS (capable of running games by itself without Windows), I'll install it without hesitation on one of my HDs.
nirwanda  +   328d ago
@chris, it is a full system with an optimised gaming OS.
They are even bringing out many different speced systems.
Erdrick  +   328d ago
@ChrisW

the wifi game streaming from another pc is for games that aren't [yet] natively supported by the steambox's linux os - they said they've got over 300 games i think that can play right out of the box without using a backup pc, and the thousands of other games available through steam can be streamed to your tv.

in any case, backwards compatability is huge and i think one of the strongest cases for a steambox/ pc in the livingroom.
Timesplitter14  +   329d ago
The only problem I see with this is... it's gonna play Steam games. You can already play these games on your PC, with mouse OR controller, on your monitor OR your TV.

At least consoles have their exclusives, which justifies their purchase.

I'm actually really excited about SteamOS even if I don't sound like it, but what I'm saying is I hope there's more to it than just playing games on your TV. I hope it gains popularity, enough to persuade all/most developpers (PC devs and console devs) to support it, and then all the best games will be in one place
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The_Infected  +   328d ago
@Timesplitter14

This allows people to just buy and play Steam games on the TV just like a console so people don't have to fool with building a PC. Just plug and play. That's what I've been waiting for to try Steam.
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Wizziokid  +   328d ago
Who knows valve could turn future valve games into exclusive steamOS titles if it's a success.
Mario18  +   328d ago
Well I am pretty sure you can play better games with your current setup since SteamOS will use less memory then Windows
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DeadlyFire  +   328d ago
yeah, yeah, but your not getting the reasoning as to why.

The traditional consumer just walks by the PC section in the store. Thinking computers are to expensive, as well as difficult to build and configure to play video games.

With Steambox setup. You just plug it in setup some games and your done. There is no hardware issues to bother with for awhile and so on. Likely the hardware gets an update every year at the same price point with stronger hardware.

We could see Asus, Gigabyte, and many other parts builders build boxes for gamers to play.
Nerdmaster  +   328d ago
Those who like consoles already decided between PS4, XOne or Wii U for their exclusives (and other console advantages). Those who like PCs already have PCs for gaming. Those who aren't gamers already play on their smartphones.

So I don't know who is Valve's target audience with the SteamBox.
Grave  +   328d ago
@Wizziokid

I think of it as this:

O = SteamOS

[O ] = SteamOS O on Steam Machine [ ]

O+O = SteamOS which is software O running some game O, again software. Could it be ...?
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Timesplitter14  +   328d ago
what on earth are you trying to say
LordSane  +   328d ago
@Timesplitter14
He has run out of bubbles, we will never know...
Timesplitter14  +   328d ago
Grave, PM me your answer

I shall carry your message
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DeadlyFire  +   328d ago
I think SteamOS exclusives could exist. I mean we have had exclusive things like that before. WOW/Starcraft tied to Battle.net. Battlefield/SimCity tied to Origin. It helps promote their brand it could happen.

I was a little surprised to see 3 announcements. Valve usually only does 2 of everything. Maybe that means we see 3 and 4 of some game titles at some point soon, but not likely to launch any of them until 2015 or so after first wave is started. :)
Timesplitter14  +   328d ago
Grave says :
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i was talking about the pictures in this website:

http://store.steampowered.c...

It's a picture riddle of some sort.

The third picture on the right is fridays announcement. If you go by the other pictures it is obviously Steam's operating system and some other software that will go with it hence the 2 circles with a + between them. My guess is Source Engine 2 or Half-life 3 as this unknown software circle.
----------------------------

thanks, grave
-Foxtrot  +   328d ago
"by the looks of the logo it could be a look at a prototype piece of hardware"

Wouldn't that just be linked to the second announcement, I mean I hope we get HL3 or Source 2 for the third announcment

So are these consoles or not because the way they are going on about them they are basically PCs

I mean as a console gamer I don't like the fact this will be digital only, if I want that I have the PC I have already. Let developers in the future make versions of their games for your "machines" and you'll expand the target more
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joeorc  +   328d ago
@-Foxtrot

"So are these consoles or not because the way they are going on about them they are basically PCs "

If you never made a linux distro yourself, than you may not really know the answer to this. I think i can help you and other's with this..what Valve is doing, is taking a "full PC OS" Ubuntu and designing the core OS of Steam OS to be a FULL OS that you can load onto a Blank BUILT OR EXISTING BUILT PC that HP, Asus,sony ETC.

That they distribute to the Market. Valve is making an OS for their Hardware or any Company that makes PC hardware. and allows those company's or Anyone even end user's to load this OS on their machines.

What this allows developer's to make their PC developed games or applications to the PC hardware direct to metal, like those that are done on game console's.

Thus you could have any PC turned as long as it meets the min system requirements for the Steam OS to be turned into a PC Game console- IE: steam box game console.

its a Hybrid PC+Game console with open ended Hardware upgrade ability. how the spec's comp vs other's that may have a weaker machine in hardware it i would imagine put's your valve system vs other's in the same server as other's that are in the same general performance by auto when you connect to the server's anytime you update hardware your system .

Aida for example scans the hardware. Valve could have something like that already in place. your Multi-player matches are not just based on skill but also level of hardware also. so as to be not one sided.

So every general task is used the same no matter what level of hardware you have. that way single player, is fully hardware performance gained based on your machines hardware. Online Multi-player is teamed for hardware and skill based, so as to make even playing field. by auto Scan of your platforms hardware. and general use steam OS functions is still the same no matter your hardware level
Mystogan  +   328d ago
I might pick this up if it also plays windows games. But if its the same thing as that other announcement. I'm not interested.

I need to have my PC turned on to play Windows games? That's a huge fail.
Timesplitter14  +   328d ago
Other announcement? You mean SteamOS? Yes it's the same thing. This announcement is about PCs built for SteamOS.

It's gonna be able to play all the games on steam and no, you don't need your windows pc to be turned on. Where did you read that?

Steam machines are PCs that run the SteamOS which will be like Steam's Big Picture mode. It will allow you to play all the games on steam with either a controller or a mouse/keyboard. Basically, it means you don't have to stick with windows anymore if you want to play PC games.

I think this is actually really interesting. Lots of people stick with Windows only because it has all the PC games. Now that SteamOS will have them too, maybe we'll start seeing Linux and OSX grow in popularity (preferably Linux)
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come_bom  +   328d ago
I can't see what's all the fuss about. We already have steam machines, they are called PC's.

These steam machines are probably going to be PC's with a controller, SteamOS and a sticker with the name Steam, Valve or something similar on it.

Unless they bring something different to the table, who the f*ck cares ?
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I_am_Batman  +   328d ago
It could be a great thing for people that are going to buy a gaming PC. My biggest problem with buying a new gaming PC is that I don't have much money to spend on it. It's possible to build a decent gaming PC for $600 but then you'll need another $100-$280 for windows. I think that SteamOS will make it possible to buy a gaming PC for less money so that's a good thing.
joeorc  +   328d ago
@come_bom

"I can't see what's all the fuss about. We already have steam machines, they are called PC's.

These steam machines are probably going to be PC's with a controller, SteamOS and a sticker with the name Steam, Valve or something similar on it.

Unless they bring something different to the table, who the f*ck cares ?"

It seems many are not really understanding what Valve is doing.

Maybe i can help you with this, what Valve is doing is Quite simple.

when PC is talked about the first thought is "Windows" PC= Personal Computer.

what Valve is doing is Like Microsoft has done is making a Full OS for the PC. IE: its own ver of a OS like what you would think of a PC IE: Windows OS that is based on Linux Ubuntu instead.

but Unlike Windows, this OS will instead have Quite an advantage for PC gaming that windows OS in its current form does not do.

A: open source = a complete full OS for your PC that is Open source. No cost to the Hardware manuf. or the consumer.

B: Hardware on the PC can now be programmed direct to metal like you do with game consoles but this time on PC hardware instead. So unlike a WindowsOS powered machine that does now allow developers to program direct to hardware metal in PC's this OS made by Valve will!

C: your Hardware's Resources such as Ram, harddrive cache, and CPU/GPU will have software direct to take advantage of such hardware you install into your machine a new GPU etc, will get updated to increase performance not just on an OS level but also on the hardware itself due to all updates going through Valve.

So if a developer is targetting a certain class of Hardware GPU they can gather more performance out of that GPU if a developer wants to.
Deadpoolio  +   328d ago
Do you really need to know about the price point to know it wont be a "console" contender....

A It's A PC...Different levels of again A PC.....

Pricing will look like the standard norm, want something more powerful than a PS4/One80 more expensive than both consoles. Probably around $900-$1000.....
Want to spend less than a PS4/One80, less power than either.....

It's just a bunch of different PC SKUs from different manufactures....Hell you could spend less and just build your own...It's still going to be premium pricing because it's built for you.....

And most of the old Steam games you will be streaming on the Steam OS, which means if your internet sucks your only playing new games
SatanSki  +   328d ago
Either they allow me to use my own rig or they can kiss my... Im not interested in buying another overpriced branded crap.
MYSTERIO360  +   328d ago
Damn im so gutted if only i had a decent enough PC steam would be my primary source of gaming for sure, now im not eligible for the beta :(. Valve are such great people
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ruefrak  +   328d ago
It's not going to be interesting for one reason. No native games.
How many games on Steam are both Linux compatible and can be played with a controller? Of the thousands of games that Steam sells, how many fit the criteria for being played on SteamOS on a TV?
45. 45 games that don't require you to stream a game a from a PC or sit and play with keyboard/mouse.
And they say the Vita has no games. Hell, Wii U has more games.
RedHawkX  +   328d ago
cancel xbox one preorders and get this and the ps4. we dont need xbox and microsof anymore they are finished no need to waste your money on them anymore.
Goku781  +   328d ago
That was my question, is this a PC, or closer to a console that you can upgrade graphics cards?
BallsEye  +   328d ago
A nicer looking PC for your living room that plays PC versions of games. Not cool.
3-4-5  +   328d ago
So what like 5 different types of Steam PC's, with different price ranges according to how good the graphics and how many games come with it ?
nunley33  +   328d ago
this reminds me of the 3do.there was different flavors of designs for it from different companies like sanyo,goldstar(now LG),panasonic.
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BallsEye  +   328d ago
I don't like the idea at all. It's just a pc in a smaller box and less customisation + probably and higher price than a standard PC. Let's not forget it plays PC versions of games. It doesn't have it's own dedicated games and it has many setups so prepare for lot of framerate and rendering issues just like when you have an underpowered PC. For PC gaming I'm gonna stick with a standard PC, the whole steambox is just so pointless IMO. If they would release 1 system with awesome specs and dedicated development like consoles got then I would try it out.
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3-4-5  +   328d ago
Could be huge if packaged with a certain amount of games.

3,000 games available on steam they say, so I'm assuming those that buy, get some kind of access to many or all of them.

Price ranges:

* $500

* $800

* $1,200
WeAreLegion  +   329d ago
Consider me excited. :)

What manufacturers are you all hoping to see building Steam Machines? I'm hoping iBuyPower is one of them.
Grave  +   329d ago
cyberpower pc is another one i have liked too.
Half-Mafia  +   329d ago
Im guessing people like

Asus
Gigabyte
MSI
Alienware
GodGinrai  +   328d ago
I could be tempted by a Gigabyte box. both my current PCs use Gigabyte MOBOs and the build quality is just...wow! :)
ruefrak  +   328d ago
Out of curiosity, what makes you excited about this? All I can figure is that Valve said it's building a machine that runs Linux and connects to your TV. What am I missing here?
CrimsonStar  +   328d ago
Maybe left for dead , Team fortress , and half life are now exclusives?
ChubbyLover  +   328d ago
@crimson

so if i have my windows gaming pc with STEAM on it i wont be able to play any of those games???

if i can how is it exclusive? Valve still has to support windows or they will lose a huge chunk of their consumers.
WeAreLegion  +   328d ago
Being able to finally get rid of Windows. Linux support for more games is coming. That's what this all means. Once this happens, I'm jumping ship.
WeAreLegion  +   328d ago
I honestly don't understand why I got disagrees here. Lol.
ruefrak  +   328d ago
I guess the idea of Steam Machines just isn't that popular with this crowd. Aside from Valve feeling threatened that Windows 8 is going to hurt their business, what does SteamOS offer that Windows can't? I know it's unpopular, but there are a lot of advantages to using Windows, including be able to play a ton more games.
Sarick  +   328d ago
I'm interested in Asus. If you look at their product lineup they don't just make hardware and firmware with standard features. No no no, in some products they chuck the best coolness they can find into their products to attract high end customers with classy taste.

It's like an attractive person that dresses up for cos-play. They don't just dress the part. They create the custom costumes and even go over the top to act out the characters.

IMHO: That's what makes Asus so hot!
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MrSwankSinatra  +   329d ago
Just Build a PC.
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SonyNGP  +   329d ago
The PC you buy, can also be a Steam Machine™!

Mind blowing, isn't it?
Grave  +   329d ago
I already have a really nice PC, but hell I might build one of these just to do it! Then I'm guessing I wouldnt have to stream games from my bedroom to my Plasma in the living room.
Either way it's exciting!!1
omni_atlas  +   329d ago
Yeah but I think valve is going for form factor, price, and upgradability.

The macmini would make a great steam machine if you could swap out the graphics card.
SonyNGP  +   329d ago
darn double post
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The_Infected  +   328d ago
Stop double posting! It's not allowed on N4G! Lol
Sarick  +   328d ago
You could but then you wouldn't be fully assured hardware compatibility. When you buy an already customized system designed for the SteamOS it'll likely be plug and play from the start.

With off the street hardware there is a little more elbow grease needed to insure everything works. Sometimes its simply doing a little extra research. These things could go over the heads of your below average console gamers.
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4logpc  +   329d ago
SO its a line up of PC's that boot to Steam instead of Windows.

Nothing really revolutionary.
Death  +   329d ago
That will really depend on price and performance.
Grave  +   329d ago
I think the biggest thing here will be the price point. I assume it will vary greatly depending the level of system you want to run, but if they can get people that don't have the uber-rigs into PC gaming on Steam in the living room for less than $500 it will be very interesting to see how it plays out.
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TheTwelve  +   328d ago
Except, you can avoid Windows. I like it.
Deadpoolio  +   328d ago
Um you can do that now....There are already loads of great Linux distros.....
Lionalliance  +   329d ago
So wait, we choose which hardware is gonna run? includes consoles as well?
Pandamobile  +   328d ago
No, these are the "consoles"
Deadpoolio  +   328d ago
These aren't consoles just pre built PCs that boot to Steam OS instead of windows
HAC522  +   328d ago
isnt that what a console generally is?
Has, pretty much, all of the same parts of a PC - Motherboard, Memory, Hard Drive, Cooling Components, Disk Drives, etc, etc.. - and an Alternate Custom OS.
A Conole is as much a PC as a PC is a Console. One, However, is designed for generally one thing in mind while the other is more a overall use product.
Bolts  +   328d ago
There is nothing console like about this. Sony and MS have closed system where as Valve is open and the OS is free. It's basically a living room PC designed only to play games. The key here is that you can build your own Steam machine or you buy one of theirs and modify it, Valve doesn't give a damn, as long as it's running their OS.

The interesting thing here is that Valve is launching a beta and taking feedback on what this machine should actually be. It's like Sony approach to the PS4 but it's instead of asking the devs Valve is taking feedback directly from the gamers.
RiPPn  +   329d ago
I wouldn't mind a console form factor PC for the living room. I've looked into htpc but never got around to building one. If Valve can offer a great machine in a nice form factor at a competitive price, I'm in. However, that's a lot of ifs.
Tctczach  +   329d ago
The third announcement won't happen for another 6 or 7 years...
WeAreLegion  +   329d ago
I want to laugh, but you're probably right.
MorbidPorpoise  +   328d ago
Still go SteamOS 2, and the Steam Machine 2 to come ;)
thebudgetgamer  +   328d ago
I totally riped your joke off, but worded it differently.

:)
SoulSercher620  +   329d ago
So it's an open "console" huh? Interesting. Gotta wonder how this will take off in 2014
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Pintheshadows  +   329d ago
Even with the announcement of hardware i'm still not really sold on this. I know some will love the idea but considering I already have a PC hooked up to my TV I don't see the point. I can do everything the Steam Machines will do already just without the SteamOS which, whilst a great idea, seems limited in its scope.
torchic  +   328d ago
it's all about opening PC gaming up to a wider audience that's the point.
lastofgen  +   329d ago
I'd rather just have one machine or pc that does it all. Frankly, this steamos stuff just sounds like things exclusively tailored to games.

I think I'm just going to stick with windows for both gaming and productivity for work and school.
Pandamobile  +   328d ago
SteamOS is just a skin for Linux. A SteamMachine will still do everything a normal computer does.
Mystogan  +   328d ago
How do you know that? I'm pretty sure. Its tailored as a gaming OS. Like the Playstation OS. It probably won't have Office and stuff like that.
Pandamobile  +   328d ago
Because what the hell is the point of a SteamMachine if it can't do anything else? Valve is designing a sort of open console. If you can't load your own software on it, then what the hell is the point?
WeAreLegion  +   328d ago
openoffice.org

It'll have Office. ;)
ruefrak  +   328d ago
Steam actually announces nothing. They said they are working with partners to create Steam Machines for 2014, but just like the Steam OS announcement, there are no specifics. Steam Machines are open and upgradeable, and one size does not fit all. That's great and all, but what is it that you're talking about? As anyone here can tell you, a PC does the same thing. What makes a "Steam Machine" any different?

The only thing that seems concrete is that they have a beta testing program for the Steam prototype and 300 "high-performance" prototypes will be given out for testing. Also the announcement claims that you can use a keyboard and mouse if you want, but that gamepads work well too. ?? Does it work with all gamepads? Will all games designed for mouse/keyboard work with gamepads? Who are some of the "multiple partners?" Who is one of the partners? Anything?!

So after two announcements, Valve has announced very little. They've said they're creating a version of Linux built around Steam, designed for gaming, and that it will be making machines to put that OS on. Could they not have waited a few months to announce this when they had something to actually show off?
Dlacy13g  +   328d ago
Yeah there is truth to what you are saying. Basically Valve is working with partners...i.e. trying to get some PC makers to create small form factor PC boxes that would have Steam OS shipped with it. Valve wants to take none of the risk but try and reap all the rewards. This is the valve model...and will stay that way. They truly are doing nothing to evolve the PC tech space outside of creating an interface that works in Linux.
ruefrak  +   328d ago
So Valve is working with hardware manufacturers to get them to build "steam machines" which will be low-margin pieces of hardware. Valve then makes all the money through content sales. Sony and Microsoft can both tell you that you don't make money on the hardware, you make it on the software. Except here Valve wants others to build and sell the hardware while they sell all the software.
When you say it like that, it makes Valve look like a bunch of jerks. Who'd want to work with them to make these things?
Mystogan  +   328d ago
I don't really want to jump to conclusions here, but this thing sounds pretty useless.
you still need a Windows PC(turned on) to stream the windows games and the "consoles" are upgradeable so Its just a PC which means it will have the same drawbacks eventually it won't be able to run the latest games unless you upgrade.
5h4h4b  +   328d ago
I am interested :)
thebudgetgamer  +   328d ago
1) 9/23/13 Valve announces Steamos
2) 9/25/13 Valve announces SteamBox
3) Ten years later
Convas  +   328d ago
That is one hell of a waiting period.
SniperControl  +   328d ago
I have a high end gaming rig that i built myself and have it plugged into my 60" TV in the lounge, does this mean i could get rid of windows and replace it with SteamOS?

As my rig is solely for gaming and nothing else, would i be able to boot straight into Steam Big Picture from power on?
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iRocket  +   328d ago
Yup :) If you really intend to use it for gaming only it is very much recommended to get SteamOS running, as they are optimising it to give you as much performance as possible, because of memory not being used in other programs Windows is running at the same time you play your games.
SniperControl  +   328d ago
Cheers for the info.

Unfortunately, from what i have read, i will still require windows to run windows only games.
joeorc  +   328d ago
@SniperControl

"Unfortunately, from what i have read, i will still require windows to run windows only games."

Its like Remote play for LINUX

it will be delivered via pushing video off your Windows PC to your Steam box (and from the Steam Box to the TV). But by next year Steam is promising "triple A" (premium) video game titles will be developed natively for Steam OS, removing the Windows crutches and allowing Steam OS to stand on its own.

"SteamOS will be available soon as a free download for users and as a freely licensable operating system for manufacturers. Stay tuned in the coming days for more information."

VALVE WANTS 3RD PARTY DEVELOPER'S INSTEAD OF MAKING THEIR GAMES DEVELOPED MAINLY FOR WINDOWS, TO MAKE THOSE GAMES FOR VALVES GAME OS 1ST!

A Game publisher making an real Game PC OS!

they are filling a Niche that many have Microsoft to long fill a long time ago, just that Microsoft's A: was the Xbox, not a PC Game OS!

That is exactly what Valve is Doing. This i doubt Microsoft investors are taking very lightly.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Microsoft invested 20 billion into Bing, and made back 8 billion! the Cost to develop a Windows Game OS would have been far more of larger profit than trying to take on the Game console market. that is what the investors are unhappy about. Now Valve is taking the lead in this Area that Microsoft could have been key first Mover and again like the smartphones and tablet OS Microsoft may miss out again.

build a game centric platform, all the investment into building hardware, and building a new platform into a market they would be starting from scratch.

OR

BUILD A SOFTWARE OS THAT THE ENDUSER COULD JUST MAKE A PC. that is running a VER. OF WINDOWS THAT IS A GAME OS.

I KNOW WHICH HAVE BEEN MORE @ PROFIT, AND AT MICROSOFT'S REAL STRENGTH. Now they are at the Tail end of Valve one of the largest 3RD PARTY PUBLISHER'S FOR pc INDIE GAMES, AND ONLINE PC SOFTWARE DISTRIBUTION Putting their investment $$ to cut the Windows Licence cord. Hell the worst thing is if companies Like Sony also support this..Valve steam box with the Playstation Mobile App installed to the box.

Steambox+PS4 remote play between both the PS4 and a steam box both to and from each box. Gabe worked with bringing steam to the PS3 in some form, now with the PS4 it could be the whole way, by cross promotion.
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Einhert  +   328d ago
IF you already have a PC there is no need for this

The biggest thing is for people who are scared of PC gaming and don't see it as user friendly or convenient.

Basically it is gaming on PC made easy but the biggest thing is going to be the different steam machines priced based upon spec and performance.

It has its market, its not another nividia shield
Pintheshadows  +   328d ago
It is sad that the best thing about PC gaming is that it is a little more unfriendly than plug in and play like a console. That to me is what makes it special. Downloading mods, playing with configs to see if you can improve (in some cases fix) the game yourself.

And alot of the reasons I play on PC (Total War, Company of Heroes, Civ etc) don't really suit being played in the living room.

It just seems to be appealing to a market that i'm not sure exists. There is no advantage to this bar having the SteamOS preloaded and even then i'm not sure that is a huge thing at all.

The biggest issue for me though, is the fact that it is still just a PC. I have a PC, many others who this seems to be aimed at have PC's already.

Just plug it into your TV.
PlayStation_4  +   328d ago
have zero interest in the SteamBox but SteamOS still intrigues me
EXVirtual  +   328d ago
So let me get this straight.
Steam Machines are like consoles, only running SteamOS.
Now these are going to be separate machines, eash with most likely their own specs.
Interesting. I don't think this'll pull anyone from their consoles. I guess it's more directed at the PC only crowd.
@mushroomwig, Thanks for clarifying. As I was saying, I think this is directed to the PC crowd, but then again, I think the guys who play on PC would just rather upgrade them or something.
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mushroomwig  +   328d ago
They're like consoles in the same way as plugging your PC into your TV makes it a console.
Pintheshadows  +   328d ago
If you read these comments overall I think you can see that the issue is these Steam Machines do no seem to have a particular target market.

I have a PC, so this is pointless to me. The OS sounds OK but i'm still not entirely convinced it will be worth beyond the community on Steam playing around with it.

And if it is aimed at people who mainly console game or are 'afraid' of PC gaming I don't think this will be effective in dragging them away due to its current limitations of either needing a PC anyway to stream from, and needing to upgrade it anyway as it is essentially just a PC.
-Gespenst-  +   328d ago
I'm pretty sure the good machines are going to be exorbitantly priced. Remember the Xi3 Piston? I think that's one of these Steam Machines and it was like a grand for the good one. I suppose the open nature of the things might be a reason the price'll be more than the consoles but ack...

I also hope Half Life 3 isn't an exclusive to Steam OS platforms or something.
-Foxtrot  +   328d ago
So instead of doing a "Steam Box" which has it's own controller, is a powerful PC/console hybrid and will be able to compete against Sony/MS with Valves own exclusives they are doing this instead which makes you think at the end of the day "Why not just build your own PC"

I thought this was supposed to be targeted at console gamers who don't want to break that barrier towards PC gaming for whatever reasons....usually money problems.
joeorc  +   328d ago
@-Foxtrot

"Why not just build your own PC"

You can, did you catch this:

"SteamOS will be available soon as a free download for users and as a freely licensable operating system for manufacturers. Stay tuned in the coming days for more information."

that's the Point What Valve is doing is taking the Toll Gate away from Microsoft windows Direct X APi, and Making Open GL / Open Source Game source the #1 Development APi for Game development On PC but also this not only helps Valves Position but also game Console's because those that use OpenGL IT MEANS PORTING TO VALVES Game system OS would be really cost effective, because Valve is not just looking to make use of OpenGL as the only thing but also on a OS level also that your PC is running. So not just the Api, but also your PC's OS will be geared for Games as the Priority!

this has been what PC's have been Missing , not Power but direct metal and Performance of games to direct to metal of PC hardware inside your PC's rig.

This is something Microsoft has never really done with Windows, but Gabe an Company are with Linux over @ Valve are!
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iamnsuperman  +   328d ago
This is going to have to cost less than other next gen consoles to have an impact. People know who valve and steam are but they also don't really have a catalog of exclusive titles (unless the make there games exclusive which could backfire) to pull off a console that is made by other companies
DiRtY  +   328d ago
This will be an epic flop. Mark my words.
lastofgen  +   328d ago
Most likely, yeah.
Dragonshardz  +   328d ago
This is Valve. They don't do "big flops". If they play their cards right this might be the next big thing. We have too little information on the matter to make any type of doomsday call.
lastofgen  +   328d ago
No company is perfect or always delivers commercially successful products.

I love steam and the services it offers, but I just don't see the point of this.
Majin-vegeta  +   328d ago
Hmm I wonder if this will allow mods??I'm quite interested in this.I've always wanted to play PC games but i'm a dumbass when it comes to building one xD.
Pandamobile  +   328d ago
Of course it will allow mods. It's still PC gaming.
CEOSteveBallmer  +   328d ago
Guys, technically this is just an "optimized" PC for gaming using steamOS to play on HDTVs. i can hook up my gaming rig to any LED TV via HDMI. I give credit to valve for being brave enough compete with sony, nintendo and MS. Apple did this with the pippin console, and you know what happened. Bottomline, PC's or consoles are still your prefered system. if you want exclusives only sony nintendo and MS can offer, you know what to buy. if you want Multiplats its the PC. so i don't know what valve wants to achieve here. they should have just focused more on "creating" games and not overcrowd the console community. PC and consoles are in co-existence. no need for a "4th" player on the console front. look at what happened in the Atari days. too many consoles so saturated market. colecovison, intellivision and others.
Pandamobile  +   328d ago
Good thing that Valve isn't relying on the SteamMachines to carry the entire company. All Valve wants to do with SteamOS and SteamMachines is offer an easier transition into PC gaming. Most of the console gamers I know stay away from PC due to the perception that it's too expensive or difficult to actually get into. Now that's no longer an issue.
starchild  +   328d ago
You seem to be one of the few people who understands what this is all about.

It's about making a more streamlined PC gaming experience that will appeal to a wider range of gamers than PC gaming traditionally has.
cyborg47  +   328d ago
"I’m pretty happy with my PC Gaming setup, do I have to buy a new piece of hardware now?
No. Everything that we’ve been doing on Steam for the last 10 years will continue to move forward."

If it was MS or Sony, we'd get a completely different answer. Gotta love valve :P
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FanOfRootBeer  +   328d ago
What the fuck are you on about? You make it sound like Valve is PC incarnate. That flexibility has nothing to do with Valve; it revolves around PC's hardware cycle.
InTheLab  +   328d ago
I honestly don't understand who this is for. Those of is that own a gaming PC have no use of this and console gamers have their prefered platforms and the benefits that come with it. Like day 1 access to certain games without petitions and such.
LordLaguz  +   328d ago
Steam: A machine for Gabens
DomceM  +   328d ago
just get rid of crappy windows that slows everything down already. Linux is way more efficient we just need more games coded for it.

Finally games are coming to linux this is awesome. Amnesia AMFP, Metro last light is alrdy announced, TFT2, Dota2, L4D2.... KEEP IT COMING.

Enough of WINBLOWS monopoly.
WolfLeBlack  +   328d ago
In today's news Valve, the legendary company famous for not making Half-Life 3, have announced an exciting new piece of hardware: computers!

Shit, I meant Steam Machines! Completely different thing. No, really. Seriously. Stop giggling.

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Sorry, I couldn't resist :)

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At the moment I'm struggling to see a reason to actually by a Steam Machine. The only possibility I can forsee is if a Steam Machine will cost less to purchase than a standard PC of the same performance level, but I doubt that will be the case.

Still, Valve have another announcement due this week. Convince me, Valve, convince me, because right now I'm just not getting it.
robotgargoyle  +   328d ago
I don't understand why they announced this after E3. I know that not everyone who plays games has preordered a xb1 or ps4 yet, but I why muddy up the market with multiple skus pc set top box?

Are the games download only through SteamOS? Can you buy pc games and install them on the system? Are Left 4 Dead, HalfLife, Portal be exclusive to this pc/console hybrid?

Too many questions, not enough answers.
Are_The_MaDNess  +   328d ago
the reason they didnt want to show this at E3 was because they wanted a more direct feed to the viewer, kinda like Nintendo does. noone steals your spot and it dont get missed in the E3 Mess.

and ofc they are having more than one SKU, they are PC's after all. different devs, different specs, different prices.

most likely they are from out of the box download only. they wont waste space, heat and costs on a diskdrive that noone uses.
if you really want to buy games on disk you can get an USB dvd drive i guess.
but i dont see that retail hardcopies of pc games lasting more than 3-4 years more.

and the games above will never be exclusive to the steambox. maybe for steam itself but not the steambox. but we never know.
robotgargoyle  +   328d ago
So, are you saying that this system will not support physical retail copies of games?

I would be on board (digital download only)if internet service would catch up in my area. A Time Warner service area is only 1 mile away and they won't run cable to my home. Satellite is the only solution and it sucks for internet.
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