Examiner: "We're only two months away from the launch of the Xbox One and Microsoft is still yet to show the user interface in a public manner."
Well he should show a video to rectify this
"We're sorry" How many times have I heard this before?
reminds me of that south park episode with the BP oil spill. edit: seems foxtrot already said it.
That Penello is a joke really, where did Mattrick got all these people?
"we are sorry" is becoming synonymous with MS. XD
Why apologize show things when they're ready, again whenever hes tries to be sincere folks only sling more mud, when a sony exec says we're sorry or something genuine like Yoshida for example about ps4 reveal no console, No Last Guardian or the terrible Gamescom streaming footage or when Cerny admits Knack is a "secondary purchase", its all good because see thats just sony being honest with their fans. lol, so many hypocrites. Heres a fair assessment of the latest UI demo: http://arstechnica.com/gami... -For the most part it sounds as if so far the UI is working properly with still some minor bugs to workout, I imagine their priority is to get everything running as smooth as possible before launch. Secondary is showing close to finished UI functionality, I dont recall any hands on public demos by the competition either but maybe I missed it.
It's probably taking a long time because Penello is working on his fact sheet
@ Jokes All I can really respond to that is, the UI is basically Microsoft's whole sell with the XB1. Before they showed games, it was all you guys were talking about, and they haven't shown it yet, along with all those supposedly integral features that aren't there at launch. That is not comparable to them not showing us a console that we know will be console-shaped, or a couple of games, or a live streaming issue.
oh Jokes you're always a joke. How many times MS has said that they are sorry in the past couple of months compared to any other company, ever? Maybe you have short memory spam but it has been a ton of times due to the multiple 180's. 0_O http://cdn2.dualshockers.co... Sorry!
When did Microsoft go Canadian? I kid I kid.
@frag.. shut you're face eh!
@Wishing3WL I cant remember them saying they are sorry, just changing things bc the public outcry was much more than anticipated . And the "flip the switch" statement is a ridiculous point jumped on by PS fanboys. Its stupid how political the console wars are getting. He made a generalization that accurately reflected that it wasn't a 2 second process. If you have ever worked in tech, you know that even if something is achieved through a seemingly minor code change, there are many, many ripple effects. People worked a lot of hours to put changed into place quickly
There is no need to be sorry... just show it. Problem solved :) The system launches in 60 days and I'm sure they want to give it a public showing before hand.
"We've booked to do it a couple times, and my schedule hasn't allowed it. I wanted to get this demo out publicly sooner." - Okay this isn't a valid response. Why do we have to wait for his schedule? Just take it over to IGN, Cnet, or Gamespot and do a sitdown. Anyone can do it, it doesn't have to be Penello, and it doesn't have to be a 20/20 special report with Barbra Walters.
Of all the things Microsoft did and should be sorry for. This is not one of them.
Start by being sorry about the DRM ordeal first. "Which they were not, btw. The only thing they're sorry for is that it blew up in their faces."
*Sigh* Get a Life, JokesOnYou.
UltimateMaster why because he speaks the truth? Sorry for what? The guy is just being nice there isnt anything to even be sorry for and as usual you haters cant resist attacking him. We've seen more about every aspect of the X1 than ps4. Sony did one little walkthrough on stage with I believe it was Yoshida, nobody has had hands on with ps4s UI functionality running realtime showing us with independent people using it but once again all the n4g sony fan kids pretending like micro is the one hiding something. I can see there being more issues for ps4 when it launches like the touchpad not working during the live on air demo at TGS because nobody asks sony anything or they simply say hey just wait everythings coming in the future and its fine. The positive scrutiny from real gamers has been good for X1 though, so the console has improved, Ryse & DR3 are better off from the bad press and constructive criticism from true fans, so its all good but the level of hate on this site is ridiculous some of you need to focus on what sony isnt saying because karma has a way of biting haters in the butt.
@All Since when is a VP required to pull out a trampoline everytime a news reporter says jump? Answer: Never. That reporter is a right cheeky twat!
Atleast he isn't afraid to say "I'm sorry". Glad they are able to say that some things didn't go the way they should. People complain about everything. Then they should apologise because of their mistakes. And when they do it's also not ok? Tjeez.
Well sorry is better than the typical MS arrogance that we have to deal with alo the time. They should do a video to showcase the UI. Even if it features stuff that is unusable at launch, we can at least have a better idea of what we're getting. More importantly, who is supporting Jokesonyou's biased trolling PR bullcrap? 8 bubz now? Why would N4G let a troll make it to a mod level?
"We're sorry" is becoming the repeating theme from micro$oft.
@joke When you take into account the most recent history of failed promises blotched accoutrements and overall anti-consumer nature of Microsoft's PR department you can't just condemn everyone who shows mistrust or disdain. You also fail to take into account the retroactive opinion of the community. It should be very clear that when a company gets a large following of people hating them. There is a very good reason for that. Likewise, if a company gets a good reputation in the eyes of public its because they're doing something RIGHT or the competition is doing something horribly wrong. There is no mind control going on here. Everyone isn't being paid for their subjective views. They aren't all hypocrites like your personal attack comment states. I believe all people have the infallible rights to generate their own opinions based on personal insight. Not because they have shallow views or loyalties but because they've been given the free will to express themselves without ridicule. Flat out calling people hypocrites to insult them is by no means constructive or privy to any professionalism. On any level the comment posted by TomShoe is based on reality. Sure he's implying that the representative may be lying. Lying is sometimes the nature of being a corporate representative. His comment is simply taking into account that such matters are ALWAYS apologetic. Nothing more nothing less. Please don't insult the community. I've tried my best to be fair and humbled to others. I've never received a well said for being straight up that I'm aware of. I try my best to represent the best understanding of all views before passing judgment on others. I don't have friends bubbling up from popularity pyramids or alternate accounts. I would hope you would choose the same path. Lastly: You have so many disagrees yet the comment gets "well said" +bubbles despite the obvious trolling and insulting nature of your post. This defies all reasonable logic. No offense to your fans but who's supporting these disruptive comments. IMHO, the anti-social nature of your comment should count for -bubbles not well said even if there are partial truths. So please, try and keep it classy. By doing so you my gain more sincere respect in the community.
@ Sarick Wow man, on this site you call out Jokes for this? Are you new here? After all the "MS sucks" and "PS4 fo life", comments on here that get a "well said" and 100 to 1 agree to disagree ratio, and you call out Jokes for this? You may not agree with him, but his comments are at least rational. If that bothered you then this is NOT the site for you, that comment is tame and professional for this site.
@sarick you must be stoned off your ass if you think n4g represents the general opinion
@JamieL & andibandit Did I say anything or do anything immature by appealing to the community. I'm saying if we don't like how the community is organized or run we don't have to support it by promoting destructive comments. I looked at his comment. I didn't deny there is some truth in it. I can't speak for others but as a being of free thought and moral understanding I'm capable of modest restraint. I don't see any reason why someone would become so upset over "How many times have I heard this before?" The comment jokes made is relevant to a point of his own inception. I haven't seen much from both Sony or Microsoft's UI. Such comment applies to either company and its representative not just Penello. As I've already said. I haven't seen much from Sony or Microsoft's UIs. I wouldn't go so far to be insulting about the ignorance of others for one generalized comment that applies to everyone. In that respect I'm simply appealing to the intelligence of others to support a firm moral stance. That stance is to just hit agree or disagree without supporting derogative comments that promote disruptive attacks. For the record I'm not new. I just feel I have a higher understanding behind the psychology of most N4G members. I'm willing to dismiss most reactions but to what end if others don't follow by example.
You should be amazed, Microsoft has never apologized for anything they have done before this.
Sarick for the record while I do appreciate what is obviously mostly other members who support the xbox brand supporting me I have never asked for bubbles or cared about my bubble count. When I joined this site years ago I was just as immature and irrational as any of the worst fanboys past or present. I justified my behavior back then as what I saw as "tit for tat" but long ago realized I only lowered myself and represented myself in a way I didnt like. I like to think although admittedly I'm no saint and I will let some know not so nicely from time to time, still I'm better off without anger. Ive apologized and although its the internet where we are all anonymous and I dont want to sound cliché but Ive just tried to be true to myself and never let others affect how I feel or dictate what I say. I'm right sometimes, I'm wrong sometimes but either way its how I genuinely feel when I comment. See its not impossible to turn over a new leaf but I keep this account instead of starting over so everyone can see my flawed past and I remember where I came from. lol Now on this issue I stand behind my statement that calling out Penello for simply saying he's sorry for basically not showing the UI publicly is hypocritical when you consider the general reaction to the topics in regards to sony being honest about some things that didnt happen, or weren't as first perceived. It's not even a case of a lie or mistake, he's really apologizing out of nowhere.....also its fair to point out their direct competition has shown far LESS of their UI functionality so again I FEEL like its very hypocritical on many known sony fans part to bash Penello on this issue. I do respect and appreciate you disagreeing in a very rational manner. Either way I'm not here to convince anybody about me or this subject just saying what I think and let folks make up their own mind.
they have shown it the same way they show their multiplat games .......on a pc, its windows 8.
@ MRMagoo123 Dev kit = Xbox One. Dev kit =/= PC. They have already said the Dev Kits are exactly the same as the retail console. Please refrain from spreading lies.
Are you sure? I see the some relevance to your reasoning. They'll clearly want to keep it analogous with their PC OS and mobile devices to promote cross platform acceptance. I my doubts the XB1 OS will be a direct parallel to windows 8. I assume it will have some overlapping relationships comparable to Microsoft's metro interface but not be a complete variation of windows 8 itself.
There is the undeniable proof there, believe it was every third party, including "console exclusive" had high-end gaming PC's for their stage and booth demos at TGS. This is after rage-bragging a few weeks ago, they would have "hundreds" of XBone pre-production units at TBS. So, they didn't have enough to give to their third party partners or did the third party partners basically say wanted their demos to be on a gaming PC? *cough*Titanfall*cough*
I'll tell you one thing though, I prefer them to wait and have a good and well made UI than rush it like they did with X1 at the beginning. better not show anything and wait for it to be "presentable"
Problem is, nobody wants that type of UI. It's horrible on windows 8, it's horrible on windows phones. Nokia made a big mistake going that route.
That's your opinion. I would take the Windows 8 and Windows Phone UI over IOS and android any time. IOS is just a list of Icons and Android is a updated version of Windows Mobile's UI. None of them I have ever liked. Also Nokia never made a mistake by going down the Windows Phone rout and sales prove this. Nokia were flapping and going the same way RIM have just gone. Nokia now have one of the best selling phones on the market in the Lumia 520 and have made the Lumia Name a big name along Galaxy and Iphone in terms of the general public. Also if you think Nokia should of gone Android this is also wrong. The Android market is flooded by devices and owned by Samsung and Nokia would not of been able to stand out just like HTC are having the same issue with the One. I am not saying Microsoft have the best products on the market and im not saying Sony, Apple, Google ect are too as it is a matter of choice but ide rather have OS's that look fell and act different to each other rather than everyone just copy everyone else.
MS we heard your sorry after every single xbox one mistake, just don't mess it up please
"We're Sorry" http://www.youtube.com/watc... Had to....if I didn't someone else would of :)
u beat me too it.
While I find it funny and all... some part of me thinks that you actually think Xbox is comparable to the BP oil spill.
Nope... Ms is much much worse than that Spill! /s
What does "would of" means? I see that everywhere and nobody even explains to me after I ask a million times!
Means the same as Would have but it depends on where you were brought up and how they say things round that area. They say it's "not correct" but to be honest, I've heard a ton of people say it. I don't think no one cares to be honest. I live in Newcastle by the way so I feel like it goes along with Geordie slang
Bad grammar is bad grammar, just because everyone does it doesn't make it "alright to do"
lol dat southpark episode, thats how I picture Penello and Larry Major/MAjor Hyrb/ Nelson Hyrb/Nelson Larry or whatever his name is
I'm not interested in seeing the Xbox One UI right now...I want to see some game demos.
With all the supposed "magic" that Kinect bring to the UI, I kinda want to see some demos of just navigation.
Oh that's ok Albert. It doesn't matter too much, I'm not worried. You guys have great form with the UI. Its a changeable thing so I'm sure you will change several times during the X1s live span as you did the 360. Just make sure the thing plays games really well out of the box and you can tinker with the UI to your hearts content. I don't buy a console for its UI but if you can include a good one that would be nice - cheers :)
Yeah but considering MS now a days it will look not to much different from the 360 and a near clone of windows 8....such an ugly design too.
to each his own i guess i like the design and it seems alot of comoanies are going yhat route when designing their UI's now
Yeah the tiles are nice and it will keep getting better with feedback. They created a whole new OS appearance on something that hasnt been changed in like 15 years, of course it wouldnt be perfect, but it was more about people being set in their ways.
They pretty much showed the Xbone's UI at their press conference in May....
We're really really really sorry. Just not sorry enough to show you it. Or is the xbox one not ready yet? If MS knew what was good for them they would stop throwing fuel on that fire.
They showed the UI back in May, but not the latest build of course...
Don't come with facts, people here don't like those.
Sadly that is the case, its why I rarely post on this site anymore. It's just a cesspool of rabid fanboys.
Penello is sorry because of a leak video about the UI? They are capable of asking for forgiveness for this kind of stuff, but not for the the DRM and the 24h connection. Their logic escapes me...
If they did would your feelings not be hurt? Please. They shouldn't have to apologize.
No you're right, why should Microsoft apologize for the meaningful things. They must like ex-fans turning to the competition...
If them taking the drm stuff out before it launched wasn't enough to capture you then im sure an apology would have still escaped you..
When they announce the patch to remove the DRM and 24h connection, the message was that they had listen to the complains of the players about it and decided to please us. In a sense, it was like "See how great we are because we listen what the consumers complaints". There was no "sorry" or "mea culpa" or anything addressed to us. The truth is, if they really had listened to the players, they would have change the policy long before long before the presentation. Just after the tweeter revelations/flame-war with the ex-artistic director for the Xbox, for example. The real reason of the change of policy was the difference of pre-order numbers between Sony's and Microsoft's console. Don Mattrick annd pears were all like "Hell, we are not selling at all! In the next board meeting we are going to get killed by investors. We got to do something or we are death.". (There was even a news about this meeting board at N4G later on). And the thing is, they still believe that their long term vision hasn't change at all (you can also check that out here in N4G). So yeah I'm pissed with them, but I got good reasons to be so. So, don't you make excuses for them, it's up to them to apologize and to change accordingly to those apologies. I don't hate MS, I hate what MS has become.
You feel entitled don't you lol... Seriously your feelings was hurt sooo bad that the only way get over it would be an Apology?! Over something that wasn't even sold to you yet.. At that point ms didn't do a massive show and tell to get enough feed back to take it out, these consoles are expected to sell in the millions yet ms was supposed to change everything before millions got to know about It? I don't know any more then you do if ms changed it for the gamers or the pre orders and as a gamer i couldn't care less what the reason was as long as it was removed. I don't need to hear im sorry or for ms to send me a love letter all i want is the games but in your case its about loving the company Right?! What a bunch of sad new gen games we have..
Ah...so the UI and entire Xbox hardware have something in common...the MS reps are really really sorry about it. I would...just joined N4G been hearing a lot of negative news about it from youtube comments but most of them are sensible...taken a bit far but sensible. Xbox brand is basically on death row....so let it have its fun in the cell playing with Mr. Jingles and tell us your sorry after the dry headed execution.
LOL... 7 disagrees with "in English?" What, you would say that comment is not all over the place? Someone please explain that middle paragraph to me. Oh wait, you're not disagreeing that it can barely be read. You're disagreeing because he said "Xbox is on death row" and I didn't applaud his fine writing skills for that. I see.
This site has become laughably pathetic. Yeah, this is just like the BP Oil spill. Holy sh*t you guys live in your own special little world. Probably has little dragons and stuff flying around like that childish "greatness awaits" commercial too.
You had to go ahead and invalidate everything you said with that last sentence didn't you? The sense of humour is lost on you guys. I really think Microsoft's actions, and everyone's reactions to them have damaged you.
So you were ok with my first comment but object to my joke and say that means I miss the humor. Interesting. But no, I just vehemently dislike irrational people and there's nothing more irrational than a console fanboy. They make diehard liberals and conservatives seem tolerable. And I would say the same (and have) to XB1 fanboys, there are just far fewer of them here. It is inarguable that N4G has become a Playstation site. They try to pretend they're not by throwing the occasional XBox article in here (which is immediately voted down) much like Fox News occasionally has a kind word for Obama. It's become a bad joke.
maybe the UI is part of their secret sauce/super secret NDA that doesn't actually exist (no one has shown any proof), but people still keep referring to it because misterx says there's a secret NDA?
If NDA stood for NO DAMN ADVANCEMENTS then maybe... Mr. X is like that guy that throws a party then gives a speech about how there is another universe that everyone who attended the party can go to after drinking a nice cold cup of arsenic Kool-Aid. Poor followers on that site...I almost feel sad for them. It's like their waiting for cancer results only to find out they still have it. 1.31tf system heavily customized with all kinds of doodads just so Microsoft can promote to casuals and make a profit while their pansy ass shareholders who never touched a game console can be wowed by all the "TV and Social future proof" bullshit. Makes me sick how people can follow being thrown under the bus! They suffered with DVD9 last gen limiting games..now they have to deal with a 50% weaker console..I guess they just gotta #dealwithit