Valve has officially announced their own SteamOS operating systems based on the Linux OS with big screen integrated for a whole new gaming experience.
This could be a game changer. I'm very curious to see how developer's will take advantage of it, especially the claims of increased graphics processing.
I'm just glad I can finally switch from Windows and play games.
I'm not really sure what to make of this, but yeah, an alternative to Windows for PC gaming is awesome. The fact that it is free is awesome too. Looking forward to seeing the OS in action.
You would still need your Windows PC. The steam os machine is nothing more than a middle man that helps you stream your pc games to your tv. Depending on where your pc is at you could just buy a HDMI cable and connect it to your pc from your tv. The downside to this would be lag. Given one's internet the steam os can also suffer from lag(not the same type of lag mention above but it's still lag at the end of the day).
You need to have steam on Windows to play Windows games. Its just a glorified Miracast.
@zeal0us Not saying you are wrong but where did you get that information? Here's a snipped of the announcement "It will be available soon as a free stand-alone operating system for living room machines" So if its stand alone no Windows is required?
@thisisjuju "You can play all your Windows and Mac games on your SteamOS machine, too. Just turn on your existing computer and run Steam as you always have - then your SteamOS machine can stream those games over your home network straight to your TV!" Its under the streaming bullet point in the article. PC games are still built with an operating system in mind, that's why they needed to be ported to work on Linux. SteamOS should run anything that is developed for it, which I assume is why they've been pushing Linux development so hard lately. If its not available on Linux though, you'll need to stream it from a Windows PC. EDIT: Or a Mac.
@exsturminator01 Ahh, I see. Now the middleman comment makes more sense. Thanks for the clarification.
This is not an OS. You still need Windows to play Windows based games. you people are getting the wrong idea. This is just a streaming service. Similar to Vita's remoteplay.
It's not like that! Anyways, this makes a lot of sense in contrast to what some believing that Linux can actually be in general use. However, this is real good for developers and "will" change to scope of how developers and gamers interact. Hope they can have some type of cloud computing where they can greatly enhance there Source Mod Manager.
I'm always happy to see Windows get some competition, considering how they've worked so hard to monopolize the low-cost OS market. More games being compatible with Linux will improve Linux adoption and thus support.
Hopefully this is the free great alternative to Windows we've all bene waiting for. Hopefully I can use this OS also for Photoshop, Sai, and other professional software.
@Zeref Can you read? "It will be available soon as a free stand-alone operating system for living room machines...Game developers are already taking advantage of these gains as they target SteamOS for their new releases" --Steampowered.com It is an OS. It doesn't natively play Windows games, but it IS an OS and it plays games completely free of a Windows PC. "You can play all your Windows and Mac games on your SteamOS machine, ************too************&am p;qu ot; As in "also" It is not just for streaming. IT IS AN OS THAT CAN PLAY GAMES ON ITS OWN **AND** IT CAN STREAM WINDOWS/MAC GAMES. The article is not that confusing, people.
you people can not read. IT IS AN OS. It has support for streaming Windows games over LAN, but it also supports Linux games, that run on the actual OS since this is a Linux Build. It's just one that devs can focus on if they develop games for Linux. Which, a ton of AAA devs will since they are announcing some 2014 games that already support SteamOS.
Lots of games are starting to support linux.. lots of game engines starting to support linux. People may actually start developing with linux in mind as a platform just as they would sony vs microsoft. Multiplatform. You would get more performance out of your steam os with your computers hardware making the game run better and look better. I like this approach. Mark my words.. this is the beginning of the death of console gaming. Im not saying its hear. Im saying this will launch it. It will take many many many years, but this will start it.
Exactly, Miscrosoft have lost their way, they don't seem to want to support PC gamers they way they should be, always trying to push them onto the xbox. I think there is plenty of room on the market for this Gaming OS and Valve are the perfect company to push it.
I have no real problems with windows to be honest, but I do like the idea of improved performance. That said, I'm still trying to figure out what this means. One of the great things about Windows and DirectX is that it allows us to have backwards compatibility. I seriously doubt the entire industry is going to switch over to SteamOS, which means PC gaming will be fragmented. I need to find out more. I'm intrigued, but also somewhat skeptical.
and its free whereas windows costs just under £200
questions: * what exactly are "living room machines"? * is this a locked Linux? will we be able to install and run any Linux software? * dose Linux allow low level access to hardware? how will this effect scaling to different specs? * can we install SteamOS as another OS on PCs alongside Windows? * will this be open to the same Mods on Windows or will they need to be tailored for Linux? * will SteamOS allow 3rd party non gaming software?
Still not switching to pc gaming. consoles 4 life.
Here comes the "Ikea Console" (I should (c) this ;) LOL. But great idea. Now devs get a OS for the living room. I'm curious how Valve will define which HW will be supported - to actually guarantee the games will run on that box. And for the console gamers complaining they can build a monster machine without end - limited buy budget only. Question will really be, if developers will support linux now (you will need all the tools and the toolchain - which isn't a biggy. I actually prefer that toolchain anyhow). Compilers are there, tools need to be available, too (profilers!!!). But other then that, I hope it'll take off.
@Zeref: So you think you know more about it than Valve themselvs? Sry but you are the one getting the wrong idea, learn to read before you post. SteamOS is an operating system based on Linux, it will be used directly on TVs and other living room devices and is even being provided for free to tv manufacturers to be pre-installed on TVs. It has nothing to do with streaming.
You will not need Windows. There may be a few titles that will be left unadapted but more games are joining the Steam Linux library every day. I have been running it since Alpha and I have been running Linux for years. I have not had one crash or lockup on Ubuntu that I can ever remember. There is a reason the best servers are Linux based. There is very little for which I boot into Windows. People that are thinking theis OS will only be for gaming have yet to run a Linux GUI based OS. The handwriting is on the wall. If anything this may force MS to concentrate more on their OS business as after the first year the impact on Windows of a Linux expansion will become apparent.
more support for OpenGL
Guess so. I'd bet Google would jump in the ring as well. I'd love to see a 5-way race for gaming console. -Steam, -PlayStation, -Google, -Xbox, -Nintendo.
Question? Does this mean that I would not be able to use any MS Office applications if I use this OS instead of Windows?
The reason I ask is becuase my gaming PC is also my day to day work PC.
Not likely. They currently haven't released MS Office on Linux and I believe this steam OS is running on a modified Linux platform.
MS Office is out. A myriad of free alternative office solutions are in.
I'm pretty sure this OS isn't meant for desktop use. They're designing it with TV in mind and streaming capabilities, so I think the plan is to hook a PC up to the TV, install SteamOS on that, and then stream from desktop or play Linux games on the TV. Basically this is an OS for anyone who wants to make their own SteamBox, not a replacement desktop solution.
not MS Office but you will be able to use libreOffice/openOffice The cloud storage might be somewhat problematic. Will you be able to install anything yourself? But I would be really surprised if they do not support a free MS Office compatible office suite at launch...
it's not an OS for desktop PCs, it's basically an app you install on smart TVs, that will allow you stream your steam library to it via your PC in another room.
That is why I am concerned about this too.
@exsturminator01 But it's Linux, and this is Valve we're talking about. Valve believe in and push Linux, so therefore they probably aren't closing any doors against turning it into a desktop suite. If it's true Linux, then anyone out there can add full desktop functionality and give it to everyone else.
set it up in dual boot. You can decide which operating system to start with when you power on the computer.
This is as much linux as Android is. Nothing more. A familiar posix level OS with customization and a Steam specific front end. No desktop. If anything it will support "Steam Apps" - since it's based off of linux, depends what UI libraries will be available (probably most what runs on linux - and I strongly hope it doesn't run X !!!).
MS office runs pretty good in either wine, crossover office or Cedega / WineX (mainly for gaming but will run office and photoshop.
It's why you setup your PC to dual or tri boot. Mine runs Win7, Ubuntu, and OSX Mountain Lion.
Bye bye Windows! The only thing holding me back from PC gaming is gone. Now hopefully we'll see the Steam Box on Wednesday.
You need windows to play the Windows games xD
^^^ Then I want play them unless they're made for SteamOS. I hate Microsoft.
@ The Infected.
That makes no sense. Download Steam to your Windows PC, launch the app, then enjoy Steam gaming. It's cool to hate Windows, but it shouldn't prevent you from enjoying PC gaming.
@Death It makes perfect sense. I'm not supporting Microsoft by buying Windows to play games on Steam when I can wait for the SteamOS. Sure it will take a while to get lots of games on there but it's a huge step in the right direction. Also like they said they've already got significant performance gains and more with their SteamOS.
Some people just hate enjoying themselves ...
I don't think it's that as much as it's just them just loving to hate. I honestly think you could have someone describe their perfect world, literally make that world exactly how they described without them knowing, and they'd find 10 reasons to hate it on the way to work. Some people just HAVE to have something to HATE at all times even if they’re the most insignificant bullshit "causes, or problems" they could come up with. Like in the US where every 5 seconds the news is talking about the Miley Cyrus twerking “controversy”, when there’s genocide happening in Africa right now, and the monetary system the whole world’s based on, is on the verge of collapse, but how about let’s ignore that and hate MS for doing what ALL corporations do, and show them by trash talking on N4G and refusing to play games on their OS. That’ll teach ‘em.
SteamOS. Shaving $100 off that gaming pc while improving perfomance. Sweet.
Yeah if you want a limited game selection
You still need Windows(or Mac) for SteamOS to stream games to your tv over your internet.
@ zeal0us You only need Windows to play Windows games. Lots of games on Steam already support Linux, and lots more are on the way. Stop spreading misinformation.
@Monkey Ninja Notice I said stream game to your tv and nothing more "You can play all your Windows and Mac games on your SteamOS machine, too. Just turn on your existing computer and run Steam as you always have - then your SteamOS machine can stream those games over your home network straight to your TV!"
@ZoyosJD "SteamOS. Shaving $100 off that gaming pc while improving perfomance. " 100% for the simple fact it's indeed an "OS" many linux builds are out there with gaming in mind, with this one though is being built up by valve! this will be an OS built by gamer's for Gamer's. Despite some people not really getting that point. I think this will bode very well with Developer's in the PC industry, and the gaming industry in general. This will be a real net + for Gamer's. Since this OS is free what would it hurt to put it on a legacy machine and try it out, nothing..i think Gabe and co. will have a very good shot to gather more open source support right from the get go, due to the fact that developer's like Carmack would be more than willing to give this OS a go to see exactly what they can do with one of thier iP's running in such a OS environment. Wish Gabe luck.
@ElementX Recently, linux support has been increasing particularly indies, and the site did state that most AAA titles wil be suporting steamOS natively by next year. @joeorc indeed, there have been linux versions built for gaming, but never with the support and backing of valve. Up til now, linux has been too divided and not exactly average consumer friendly. It will be interesting to see how well valve can unite the industry. I would love to see steamOS completely replace windows. May fortune shine upon the gaben nation of steam.
you forgot the bulletpoint where it says its an operating system for your living machine aka TV. do people actually read with article or just the headline ROFL
"Living room machine" ... like a PC you hook up to your TV and work from the couch.
So I can be playing Total War, and watching TV & surfing the web all on my TV at the same time ? schweeet
Sounds like the Xbox One.
Sounds like every computer.
Steam OS? Holy sh*t...
Oh boy its getting Steamy!
You are correct. It is an OS. Full blown OS. A Linux OS...which currently lacks a lot of game support. You will see tons of indie games on Linux but AAA games will take a while to join unless Valve plans on investing (billions?) on constantly updating API's to compete with DirectX. The idea would have been revolutionary 6 years ago.
what are you talking about? The Khronos group updates and improves OpenGL on a monthly basis. The Khronos Group is a not for profit member-funded industry consortium. Members consist of: AMD/ATI Apple Inc. ARM Holdings Creative Labs Ericsson Google id Software Intel Corporation Motorola Mozilla Nokia Nvidia Oracle/Sun Microsystems Samsung Electronics Sony Computer Entertainment Texas Instruments and that doesn't include individual contributors. I'm guessing that Valve can be added to that list in the near future. And FYI, OpenGL is still the standard to which ALL others are compared to including directX. So, there won't be any problem "keeping up" with DirectX when 16 large corporations/organizations are all contributing to code improvements and new features on a daily to monthly basis to OpenGL.
Fair enough...if this is the case...why is Linux not a a platform of choice? Why aren't all games compatible?
I've been dreaming of custom gaming OS for years, really. I never really understood why nobody hadn't raised it up before, it's a big and hard job, yes, but the benefits are phenomenal. A BIG marketplace for PC games, better PC resource usage, MUCH less or none at all game pirating, graphics as high as how much you invest in the PC that you buy. Of course it seems too good to be true, the optimization will never reach the console level, and at this point it's hard to tell how much the next-gen consoles will be able to give in comparison to PC's.
it takes a whlie. I mean gabe newell has been slagging off windows for a long time to try and cange peoples mind about windows gaming. It was all basically for this moment, i mean why else would he want to support linux? It's a big step for linux gamign though. But I never really understood why gamers actually gamed on Linux in the first place.
hkgamer: "I never really understood why gamers actually gamed on Linux in the first place." It's about freedom. man. Gabe Newell saw that MS was starting to move into building in their own game store into Windows (windows games) and He knew full well when MS enters into a new market the incumbent players software starts to mysteriously not work properly in windows anymore. So, to circumvent this situation, they got to work getting Linux ready to become a free gaming OS that is not controlled by any specific corporation and do and end run around Microsoft and their semi-legal to completely illegal practices. Linux has become a great equalizer in the computer industry, everyone has to play fair, which in the long and short run has made Linux quite desirable to support without fear and having to rely on a competitors platform.
Gabe was seeing a market share issue coming with the opening of the windows store. It's funny how everyone thinks the Steam and Gabe are the "good" side of this industry. Did you know they are valued at 4 billion dollars? Did you know the gouging of devs with pricing and sales that goes on at Steam? I love my steam and what it has done to keep the PC community alive and thriving...but they have practices no better or worse than your hated companies like EA. Hate to say it...a business is a business that is designed for one purpose...to make money. When you reach the kinda size Steam has...you don't get there without being shady and cracking some skulls along the way. Steam and there new OS isn't really about choice...its about taking another approach to dominating the market. How are you going to feel if HL3 comes out and is SteamOS only?
So what they are saying is that with an HDMI cable I can put my computer game on a monitor bigger then my computer?