First Forza Motorsport 5 Japanese Preview from TGS Laments Severe Visual Degradation from E3 Build

Forza Motorsport 5 was exhibited at Tokyo Game Show, exposed to the Japanese press, and it's known that the Japanese are big petrolheads. They love their car games.

Unfortunately the first Japanese preview ran by popular site Game Watch lamented a severe visual degradation from the E3 build of the game.


Update: According to Microsoft's Albert Penello there was "no issue with the build" as he stated on Twitter, his statement has been added to the article to include both sides of the issue.

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s8anicslayer1583d ago that's why Yosh was spotted by the Forza booth.

Abriael1583d ago

messing with the cables?

s8anicslayer1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

Lmao ;). Or maybe they plugged an Xbox One into an Xbox One Hdmi In Port? Kidding, I will still get F5.

FamilyGuy1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

Lmao Abriel

I could see this getting hot.
That's a REALLY eye-catching title, I literally said "Whaaaaaa!?" out loud when I read it.
DualShockers really knows how to get N4G readers attention, it's starting to remind me of all those old HipHopGsmer articles. Hopefully they don't go too far and get down-voted off the site like his site did.

That said, please don't get me wrong, this is a legitimate story. Maybe they were finally REALLY showing the game on X1 hardware and had been using "similarly spec'd PC hardware" in an X1 case up until this point? Or it could just be some small technical problem with the new build that will be ironed out before launch. Not a good thing to hear about MS flagship launch title but I doubt it's a deal breaker for fans either way. He still praises the technical specs in the end.

It'd be nice to know more about what was wrong.

ZodTheRipper1583d ago

Or it may have been running on an actual Xbox One this time.

WarThunder1583d ago

Oh my look at the collision physics lol!

"Forza 5 the definitive bumper car racing!"

Skips1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

"In the Forza 5 press room the situation was even worse, with the picture quality defined as “rough” like what you’d see if the output was 720p, with a definite visual degradation from the E3 version."


First Titanfall...

then Killer Instinct...

then Ryse...

And now this... : / Are there people out there who still think MS has some "secret sauce" left to reveal... lol

Conzul1583d ago

We do not denigrate Titanfall! No! Bad Dog!
Whatever else may be wrong with M$, Titanfall is awesome.

Eonjay1582d ago

Damn this sucks... I would be pissed if I was spending more money and getting less performance. It all seems like a bad scam. Also, the project manager says the Microsoft is aware of the issue...what? Maybe these issues will be addressed by the day one patch.

NewMonday1582d ago (Edited 1582d ago )


also note that texturs on DR3 were scaled down.

this confirms the #truthfact revealed by CBOAT, that XBone games will get a 20% downgrade across the board.

also explains why we hardly see any 3rd party game running on the XB1.

FamilyGuy1582d ago (Edited 1582d ago )

In penellos update he states:

"No issues. It was the same build from Gamescom. I've heard the final game is looking even better."

The comparison was with the E3 build and the TGS build though, not Gamescon.

"severe visual downgrade from what he experienced at E3"

Were Gamescon and E3 using the same build and if so why didn't Penello just say E3? He needs to be more clear when he knows we're following his statements closely. I wonder if he even asked around before answering or just blurted that out, Aaron Greenburg style, with no investigation.

If it was just a bad tv setup that's good but if that was the case why did the problem also exist in the press room on a different tv?

"The gist of the problem is that in the Forza 5 corner of the Microsoft booth things looked so bad that the monitors seemed badly adjusted. Aliasing and jaggies were standing out"

"In the Forza 5 press room the situation was even worse, with the picture quality defined as “rough” like what you’d see if the output was 720p, with a definite visual degradation from the E3 version"

With all the tech guys used to do the setting up and preparation for the TGS booths it seems ridiculous that they even let a problem like that exist.

I'll take Penellos word on it for now, but it's still a little suspicious.

LetoAtreides821582d ago

FamilyGuy, Penello's been caught lying and flat out making stuff up so many times how can you take his word at all? It's time for MS to replace him with the next victim.

Walker1582d ago

I guess, Forza 5 needed to be balanced.

malol1582d ago

typical form MS to use fakes

abzdine1582d ago

i hope the damage control fanboys realize what this means..
this is no more than an insult to the future owners. MS using scum practice to lure in some sheep.

i remember GT6 looked already better than F5 at E3.

pixelsword1582d ago (Edited 1582d ago )


If true, I kinda called it without even realizing this article existed...!

dantesparda1582d ago (Edited 1582d ago )

The game does have a lot of aliasing on the cars, the cars are the best looking thing about the game cuz the brackgrounds/tracks look low poly, the game looks like a high res current gen game to me. Seen at a MS event recently

MWong1582d ago

LOL bumping is racing, but I mean whoa. That was some serious bumper cars with a spotlight flashing in your eyes.

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Ghost_of_Tsushima1583d ago

Forza 5 is downgrading and Driveclub is improving.

Insomnia_841583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

Driveclub > F5 Confirmed!
GT6 on PS3 > F5 on XBone Confirmed!


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Gozer1583d ago Show
scott1821583d ago

Everyone who doesn't worship the Xbox needs to leave now!! I got your back Gozer.

dragon821583d ago


Not everyone with a negative opinion of Xbox One is a Sony fanboy. Some people are actually capable of forming opinions for themselves that don't match up with your own.

Haules1583d ago

The Driving physics are terrible! Car feels like its sliding on ice! And whats wrong with the lights at

Collision physics feels like bumper cars...

aceitman1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

is it me or does the e3 build look way better and more detailed perfect shots to compare these side by side
e3 build mark at 9:02 pause it and tgs build mark at 1:37 pause it
now look at the dashboard , e3 looks a lot better in detail . hell even the steering wheel looks different . tgs looks more bulky. e3 looks more thin and sleek.

aceitman1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

@gozer see that's the problem people who see whats going on like this f5 looking awful compared to e3 and gamescom is trolling or just some fanboys bashing it, did u stop to think that people see whats going on and cant stand to be lied too!! or be shown smoke and mirrors , so they express there opinion , that's what comments are for , if u except what there showing then so be it but don't call out people for expressing there thoughts or seeing 2 same but different games running .and im sure scott182 gots ur back just like this
so try to calm down on peoples opinion and remember where not all trolls so don't try to make your self look like one. hope the vid made u lol. game on

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boing11582d ago

Maybe this time it's actually running on xone and not PC?

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Insomnia_841583d ago

Yeah he was spotted connecting an Xbox One to that tv and disconnecting a PC.

nosferatuzodd1583d ago

They finally stop showing the game on PC now I've seen this with Microsoft gears of war ring any bells but I guess Xbox fanboys are going to fight tooth and nail to deny it lol

bessy671583d ago

Wait, so why was this "severe visual degradation" only noticed by one person?

FamilyGuy1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

@ people trying to discredit this claim.

Please do not try and claim that there was no degradation. The MS rep acknowledged that something was wrong and being worked on. That is LITERALLY confirmation that something didn't look as good between the two builds.

Trying to discredit the claim makes no sense when the MS rep admitted to there being something wrong/a difference already.

Best to just hope that it gets back to its former glory before the game is shipped and move on.

Bigpappy1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

You seem to be playing the lines here. I agree that there seems to be some kind of degradation as this TGS demo and people should not be so quick to claim bias. That is just one side though.

This is also being played on the PS side as some kind of revelation of the Xbox being a flawed design that can not run Forza the way M$ said it could. This is the side you seem to have no problem with.

It could not have been a problem with a new build of the game that got sent to the show in error (happened before)? Could not have been a bad set of HDMI cable that do not fully support the output X1 is using or that were poorly made?

May be you might want to tell you boys to stop jumping to conclusions before they have a single fact as to what the problem was. If there is a problem withX1 running its games properly, that is not something that can be swept under the rug. I mean you can hide horrible graphics in a game, right? It will be seen day one and the X1 will be sitting on store shelves across the world. I would think M$ knows this. The would be nothing like RRD, if you want to say they knew about that before releasing 360. This would be much, much worst. I could put them out of the industry permanently if true.

FamilyGuy1583d ago

We have no idea what the problem was, unless MS responds to it in detail we will remain in the dark on the subject. I'm not going to act like I know what it was because it could have been any number of possibilities.

I'm not about to defend MS either, it could be "anything" as in something small or something big. That includes those claims of MS doing something underhanded as well as something as small as a technical problem with the tv display, HDMI, bringing the wrong game build, a new build that still needs refinement etc.

All I'm saying and all I've been saying on any topic like this that has no concrete details is to wait and see and hope for the best.

StanSmith1582d ago

The build was exactly the same as confirmed by Turn 10 on Neogaf.

Also, nobody from Turn 10 was present at TGS.

So that's the reason for this "degradation". The builds are exactly the same. Basically, there was nothing to see here and people (not you) are jumping at the chance to take a dump on X1.

marinelife91583d ago

That's what happens when you take it off a PC that's supposed to be "simulating" Xbox one specs and put it on an actual Xbox one. Ryse looks worse and worse after the initial showing as well.

Ghost_of_Tsushima1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

Wow it looks horrible now! Seriously what a downgrade. The lighting is a disaster.

thisismyaccount1582d ago

M$ should focus on 720p and upscale them if the hardware can handle it. Forza 5 looks good, nice step up but is it really ngen ?

Dropping environment, buildings and what not while driving in cockpit mode (rear mirror).. is not kwel! And not ngen to me, why haven´t we seen any .gif yet about that "issue" ?

pedrof931582d ago

I have my doubts, F5 looks good but Driveclub isn't behind, if not better.

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theWB271583d ago

TGS build

Direct feed from PAX (jaggies present)

E3 build (jaggies are still there on the car...different environment...even the pop in.)

Where's the severe degradation?

Abriael1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

You're aware that you're comparing direct feed but highly compressed youtube videos with off-screen taping, and trying to use it to disprove what someone that had direct hands-on time with the game says right?

Just checking. The compression in those gamespot videos is so awful that they can barely prove that the game actually runs. They're hardly a testimony of its graphical quality.

If you want to try and prove him wrong (not that you really can with video off youtube, mind you), you may want to at least use something that hasn't been compressed with a shovel.

theWB271583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

Offscreen E3

offscreen PAX


I'm not tying to prove him wrong...I'm just using what we have. Even the 3 heavily compressed videos I just posted don't show that severe degradation.

Take it as you will..but I don't have to take one person's hands on from a country who doesn't support Xbox from a website named after the Playstation controller. I have my right to doubt, just a month ago there was no report of this and this is the first anyone has said at TGS...


Abriael1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

@theWB27: That's the point. Compared to hands on time, which mind you, both me and that journalist had, you have nothing.

You can't asses the true graphical quality of a game from a youtube video, even more so if heavily compressed. They'll ALWAYS have jaggies, because the compression creates them whether the original has them or not.

And lol at "but I don't have to take one person's hands on from a country who doesn't support Xbox"

This is the same journalist that at E3 wrote a glowing preview titled "The world’s ultimate racing game: Forza Motorsport 5" and that had basically nothing but three pages of praise to say about it.

Using his nationality as an excuse is pretty pathetic.

theWB271583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

I'm not only using the videos as evidence...I'm using the point that he's the only one that's reported this from E3 till now. That's a long time for one person to say this and take it as gospel. If it were the overwhelming theme concerning Forza then I'd be more worried.

My quote-"but I don't have to take one person's hands on from a country who doesn't support Xbox"

You-"Using his nationality as an excuse is pretty pathetic."

WTF are you on? I didn't use his nationality...I didn't mention if he was American, German, Norwegian, Canadian...the Xbox isn't supported where he's from.

That's pretty stupid on your part to imply I used his nationality as a criticism when it's a blatant fact Xbox doesn't sell well where he's from...obviously meaning it isn't seen in a good light, it isn't favored. That goes from anywhere a product doesn't sell well.

Abriael1583d ago

@theWB27: which is exactly using his nationality as an excuse. The fact that he lives in a place where xbox isn't favored doesn't mean he is personally biased against it, and his previous articles prove that, if anything, he has a favorable view on it and on the Forza franchise.

So yeah, you're looking for excuses since you have nothing to prove him wrong or to counter his opinion, simple as that.

He went as far as to ask the product manager that responded that they're aware of the problem. Are you implying he lied about it? or maybe the Microsoft product manager lies?

Please. You're grasping at straws so hard that it hurts to see it.

theWB271583d ago

"@theWB27: which is exactly using his nationality as an excuse. The fact that he lives in a place where xbox isn't favored doesn't mean he is personally biased against it, and his previous articles prove that, if anything, he has a favorable view on it and on the Forza franchise.

So yeah, you're looking for excuses since you have nothing to prove him wrong or to counter his opinion, simple as that.

He went as far as to ask the product manager that responded that they're aware of the problem. Are you implying he lied about it? or maybe the Microsoft product manager lies?

Please. You're grasping at straws so hard that it hurts to see it."

Nothing to counter? I made it abundantly clear this is the first person I've heard...from E3 until now..who's stated there has been any degradation in the Forza builds.

Then I asked if I should take his opinion as gospel when, out of the MANY people who have had hands on, he's the only one who's reported this..including at TGS.

I think that's counter enough...him against the months of expos and other hands and no report of this. If that isn't enough counter for you then so be it.

I'm not implying anyone is lying...I'm simply offering a counter-argument and I have every right to do so.

So if it hurts that I'm questioning your submission then let that be it...but don't pretend I posted something inflammatory or holds no merit of truth.

Abriael1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

@theWB27: "out of the MANY people who have had hands on"

Too bad that he specifically talks about the TGS build, not previous builds. And he's the only one that reported about it because his is the first preview from TGS to come out.

He's a respected journalist in his field, and one that has always very fairly (and most times enthusiastically) reported on the forza series at the very least since Forza 2 (which is the earliest article of his on the franchise I could find). So yes. he's credible.

You don't like what he says, so you pulled the nationality excuse. And that shows your true colors.

PoSTedUP1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )


but for the sake of MS, kinda hope it is just a weird phenomenon. that would look pretty bad ontop of everything else.

theWB271583d ago

The videos I posted was from TGS....are they showing Forza in different areas? Are there separate booths? I really, genuinely don't care that any of you are so offended that I questioned the report. I don't.

If more and more reports come out stating the same things then so be it...if you can confirm what he saw was a different booth than what IGN posted then I'd like that info.

The off screen thing...irrelevant. I've been here long enough to know plenty, plenty of people judge visuals off of off screen gameplay.

The supposed racism...won't touch on it anymore. It's silly.

I'll stick to my doubt until more people report on it, or you can prove what he saw was different from what IGN posted.

aceitman1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

@ wb27 u talk about facts but pr are known to cover up things and make things look and sound just like people want to hear. as of this day and date no one knows if any game has been running on x1 hardware , sure they say but till we see it running on the hardware it has to be Questioned , what if they are running tgs on x1 hardware and was running e3 and pax on dev kits or pc's. we including urself wont know that , relax wb27 1 month 3weeks till we all see the truth. I mean someone brought up a good point , why haven't we seen any 3rd party games running on x1 yet( besides dr3 ), it has to be a scary thing so close to launch . im not taking sides but we have seen many ps3 games running from 3rd parties . I have my wiiu , im getting a ps4 , but im on the fence for x1 I have to let the 1st 6 months show me it will not have problems with 2 years in the making . and also wb27 after looking at a lot of ur comments u seem to be bashing ps4 a lot and defending x1 that sir is trolling , but u say ur sick off it , but ur part of it. if ur going to defend (ok) but don't bash the other and bash someone else . calling them a sony fanboy.

FamilyGuy1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

@ TheWB27

You should focus on this line

"a severe visual downgrade from what he experienced at E3"

You've made an argument stating that "No one else at TGS is claiming a downgrade".

I ask you this, who else went to both E3 and TGS AND reported on the quality of Forza both times? Who went to both and wrote an article about the same game twice?

FlunkinMonkey1582d ago


You try and come across like the intelligent, level headed gamer who does well to back up all of his opinions, but to be honest, i don't think i've seen anyone else on here get burnt so hard repeatedly.

Pure dribble our of your mouth the whole time.

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KonsoruMasuta1583d ago

Woah, come down there fanboy!

It's not that serious.

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KonsoruMasuta1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

"Take it as you will..but I don't have to take one person's hands on from a country who doesn't support Xbox from a website named after the Playstation controller. I have my right to doubt, just a month ago there was no report of this and this is the first anyone has said at TGS..."

So you don't believe him when he says this?

"The previous preview of the E3 build of the game on Game Watch, written by Nakamura-san himself, was also definitely glowing with praise. I’ll just tell you that its title was “The world’s ultimate racing game: Forza Motorsport 5″. That’s obviously not what someone biased against the game or the platform would write."

Or this?

"moving past the graphical mishaps he actually gave quite high praise to the gameplay and the simulation quality."

Maybe if you actually read the article instead of hopping on the Xbot Defense Force train, you would see that it's actually not as bad as the title implies.

And his opinion doesn't count because he is from Japan? That's basically what I got from your comment.

Wow, the things you Microsoft fans say and do.

FamilyGuy1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

"Even the 3 heavily compressed videos I just posted don't show that severe degradation. "

...Do you not realize how ridiculous that sounds? O.o

Anyway, this guy was at both showings and noticed a severe difference in the visual quality. It makes more sense to just trust him and even the MS employee knew about there being a problem which is literally a confirmation that something was wrong. The MS rep admitted that they're working on the problem so a problem exist.

With that said, your attempts at proving there is no degradation makes no sense. You're trying to deny something (negative) when a MS rep already said it's true.

GiggMan1583d ago (Edited 1583d ago )

It's hard to tell if theWB27 works for Youtube or Microsoft lol.

You keep some links under your belt.

On topic, it's probably something simple. The seems to have respect for the franchise. It obviously is something though because the MS Rep said they are aware of it. I hope MS responds and say what it is/was...

theWB271583d ago

Lol...honestly I don't even keep the links saved. Just learned over the years how to Google..certain tricks.

I just hope, in the end, people take this as light hearted as I do. I've been debating for a loong time..sports, music, movies, best superhero...I have my way of looking at things and if it people don't like my approach then IDK what to long as it stays fun.

thisismyaccount1582d ago

Quote by the WB27

.... I don't have to take one person's hands on from a country who doesn't support Xbox from a website named after the Playstation controller.

The End.

Hicken1582d ago

You're so frequently SO wrong, and yet it seems like you only get MORE bubbles.

How do you do it?

I mean, Abriael decimates whatever argument you were trying to make with reason and facts(you can't compare compressed youtube videos, for example), but you persist. And it happens in almost EVERY article: you say something that can only be described as stupid, based on your opinion with nothing but more of your opinion to support it(or poorly conceived "proof" like your youtube links here), yet you'll get a "Well Said" for it.

It's not well-said. It rarely ever is. And yet, on this site that's apparently "overrun" by Sony fanboys, your bubbles continue to increase.

It's like getting into an argument with somebody who perpetually lies, but everybody believes the liar every time, anyway. It's mind boggling.

_FantasmA_1582d ago

Most Sony gamers have low bubble count, probably because we are too busy playing our many Sony systems and games or because we don't care. Xbots seems to really be desperate and clinging on to their bubbles is the only thing they have on us.

kenshiro1001582d ago

WB, give up. Abriael called you out, plain and simple.

windblowsagain1582d ago

Look in the rear view mirror.

The scenery is vanishing very quickly.

Game still looks decent though.

I played The Crew with an Xbone controller, but the Windows cursor floating over the game screen was kinda distracting :p

But that comment did make me laugh on gaf.

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mondofish1583d ago

Perhaps they are finally showing their games on a PC that has equivalent specs to the xbox opposed to the uber powerful PCs they used at E3

Death1583d ago


In all your yrars of game development, how many times were you running unsigned code on retail units? How is it you think PS4 games ar running on retail PS4's? Take a peek at their FCC filings and you will see the PS4 test units or debug units look like retail ones. That doesn't mean all tests and demos are done on the "retail" test units. Some are done on dev units which is very uncommon and some are done on the debug units that were much more common before the final debug units. Those look just like PC's.

Prior to the 360's release, games were running on modified Apple G5's. You are making a big deal out of something that is supposed to be happening and is normal.

grassyknoll1583d ago

It's not a development kit if it's a i7 & Nvidia graphics card!

Hicken1583d ago

As grassyknoll says, this is the first I've ever heard of dev kits containing completely different hardware- as in from a competing manufacturer- than the retail product.

Exactly how in the hell is software built around Nvidia hardware gonna accurately simulate custom AMD hardware? What sense that that even make?

How can you seriously defend this with the impression that it sounds even remotely right?

mondofish1583d ago

You silly goose you :)

I work as a video game journalist... I knoooow they use PCs at trade shows :P Take the time to read my comment next time because that wasn't the issue I brought up.

Typically games are demoed on PCs that feature equivalent specs, but in the Xbox Ones case at E3 it was demoed on a PC that had specs that were roughly double that of the Xbox One :) They were running them full out too.

So don't patronize me you silly youth..before you start an argument, you should really comprehend what you are forming an argument against.

Death1582d ago

Video game journalist. Isn't that an oxymoron?

Visit a developer and ask to see how game development is done. Ask if they can show you the tools and programs they use. You may want to see if the tools and programs they use impact the games they are running in any way.

As a journalist, have you ever used an emulator? Do you get a performace hit when running the emulator on a PC? Do you think the PS4 or Xbox One games run natively on a PC or do you think they emulate the hardware and run in a shell?

Silly youth? How old am I? Like your games journalism, you have no idea and simply make things up. Do some research and find out. If you want to be a journalist and be taken seriously you will have to work at it and find the answers to your questions at the source. The internet is not the best source of factual information.

Hicken1582d ago

Good job, Death! You addressed NOTHING. Par for the course.