With Valve potentially giving us more details about Steam Box next week, let’s just take a look at why Steam Box should even be talked about in the first place.
just how the wii u and xbox one was supposed to outpower ps4? unless it comes out 2015 i cant see them making that happen at an affordable price.
My gaming laptop (i7, 8gb ram, 670m gpu, solid state hard drive) from last year outpowers xbox and ps4. Not even joking. But the price point of consoles is very low, so there is a trade off.
lol, i can make something up too. my old 2 year cell phone is probably 4 times more powerful than your laptop.
@jeffgoldwin, Your wrong, John Carmack: "A part used in a console has twice the efficiency of the same part used in a PC, as the PS4 is coded to the metal. Therefore, you need a 3.68 teraflop GPU to equal the optimized 1.84 teraflop GPU in PS4."
GS fanboys are so pathetic
Exactly. You couldn't build a PC as powerful as the Xbox One and PS4 for $399.
@WarThunder Not true at all because gigaflops is not all that matters in a graphics card. a 3.64 teraflop PC card would be a Titan and GTX 780. These cards out class the PS4 in every way possible. Also the 780 can run Battlefield 4 maxed at 1080p at over 60FPS. The PS4 version has to run on medium at 720p to get 60fps which the 780 would run easily at 120-150fps at the same quality as the PS4. Flops are not all that matters in a graphics card. In terms of ROPs and TMUs the PS4 and Xbox One are out gunned by even a mid end graphics card. Also their CPUs are very bad low end laptop ones which doesn't help either. If you want a PC that will greatly outperform a next Gen console you can get it for $700-$800. Look in an AMD FX 6300 and a Radeon 7950 or Nvidia GTX 760. If your an Intel Fan you can pull it off with an i5 for $800-$850. @SnotyTheRocket Yes you can for $500 you can get this. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1... That build is really old it was for a friend who wanted a PC instead of a next gen console for $500 after rebates and some combo deals + promos he got a similar build for $450 (Still had an fx 6300 but he got a HD 7870 instead and found better deals). That outperforms a PS4 in raw power. Gaming computers are not expensive they do not cost thousands of dollars to max games. $800 will get you a PC that can max nearly everything imagineable.
Well said Warthunder. Very important but people should know this from experience. Did no one remember when the PS3 and Xbox 360 were first released they competed easily with some of the highest end PC's you could afford. Which was sad because the could game just as well as thousand dollar PC's at the time. I remember feeling stupid when I first got a PS3 and 360 knowing how little ram they had and the GPU's they were using, with all the money I had spent on a PC that could barely keep up and cost way more money, had way higher specifications all of that but it wasn't enough. PC's aren't technically built for gaming they are built for multiple tasks, consoles are built solely for gaming for the most part unlike a PC. It makes a huge difference. I mean seeing games like The Last of Us being played on a measly 256MB of RAM and 256MB VRAM is incredible, I don't care how much of PC enthusiast you are, that is something. You could never play The Last of Us on a PC with the same specs with a GPU with 256MB VRAM and 256MB of RAM. It would just ignite in flames probably.
@WarThunder is right. PC do not come close to console when we are speaking of use efficiency. A console with time will use up to 80% to 90% of its processing power. Computers in the order hand cannot achieve to use 50% of their computing power. Blame it to directX if you want. Worse, giving time and because of constantly growth of the software system of the computer, this efficiency drops even more. That is why, even if your computer seem to be more powerful than the PS4 or Xbone, it won't be able to run PS4 and Xbone's games at the same standard like those two consoles. The PC maybe the best powerful tool to play video-games, but it's thanks to their the massive money you constantly put inside to either upgrade hardware or to buy overpowered parts, not the programing prowess.
Instead of quoting irrelevant figures explain this, could your laptop run KZ:SF?
@WhiskyWhiskers It is different this time. This is the first time ever in history that the new consoles in terms of raw power are worse than a normal gaming PC. When the PS3 and xbox 360 came out they were mid end graphics cards with very good cpus that were better than almost every desktop one. This time it is a low end CPU with a lower mid end graphics card. The consoles are not better than a mid end computer, they are equal to low end gaming PCs.
@WhiskyWhiskers Well said, Though I wonder how things are going to be with PS4 and XB1 being more similar to PCs. The cell architecture could be a pain for developers, but also allowed some crazy stuff
PC = Brute force Consoles = equal optimization cheapest GTX 780 on newegg is $650 http://www.newegg.com/Produ... This is just the card alone. You still need a board, RAM, SSD, and CPU. PC gamers love to "claim" superiority based off pure speculation. Steam Survey shows most PC gamers rig don't equate to next gen consoles. http://www.cinemablend.com/... PC elitist gamers aren't apart of the market their championing.
@1nsomniac Can your PS4 run BF4 on Ultra with 4x MSAA at 1080p? No its not even close. It is medium with probably FXAA and it runs at 720p so it can get 60fps.
it's more powerful than it on paper, yes, but console games are super-optimized. And that's why you see games looking like TLoU and Beyond: Two Souls on 8 year old hardware
Zele- BF4 doesn't run at 720p on PS4. This issue was clarified long ago, so either you're lying or misinformed and acting like you know what you're talking about, which is just as pathetic.
@ Zele No it doesn't BF4 is running yes at medium ( who cares about ultra) in 1080p and 60fps that news broke today dude.
Why do people talk as if PS4 and Xbone are different from PC's? They are just low-mid end PC's. The only difference is that game developers, especially 1st party, are extremely talented and are able to optimize games far better. I guarantee nearly every single time you compare multiplatform game on PC to the consoles, PC will win every time. Optimization is the only difference, high end PC's will always have more power, I didn't even know this was a debate, rather common knowledge. Who cares anyways?
@WarThunder John Carmack was talking about your average PC port. Look at NVidia and AMD's specific drivers for different games. The difference in efficiency is no where near twice as much. If that was the case, why can BattleField 4 running on a GTX 680 outperform the PS4 version?
Valve is a great company. I would be up for getting a Steam Box.
Carmack can be wrong, sorry...there's no such rule as....consoles guts are 2x as good as the same thing in a PC. That's laughable. Amazing people believe such a broad and unscientific statement is a fact rather than a general guess. Moore's law isn't a law either. It's a guideline they shoot for. People shouldn't use GTX780 as an example, my GTX 670 can max out BF3 and be between 55-60 FPS (with vsync on). I've seen that card as low as $309, and I haven't been looking very often. A 660ti, even cheaper, can basically do it as well. What people forget about the PC's is you can upgrade the gpu. Right now, there are a ton of PC gamers, who bought an i5/i7 PC where all they have to do is upgrade their GPU. Any i7, and I mean ANY i7 since the line came out in 2008 is still a more powerful CPU then in the PS4/Xbox One. At stock speeds let alone an overclock. So no, you don't need to buy expensive parts, you don't need to upgrade often, but can CHOOSE to if you want to...and many PC gamers only need to buy a graphics card....they don't need to upgrade their whole rig. Many PC gamers only need to spend about $300 and they'll have something far better than a PS4. That $ figure could be even lower in a few months. Hey I like the PS4, I've got one pre-ordered and it will be delivered on launch day. Even though I could play BF4 on ultra settings like BF3, I'm going to most likely buy it on PS4. Comparing PC's of 2005-06 to 360/PS3 and thinking we're in the same situation now is amazingly wrong. If you wanted consoles to be on par with how they launched in 2005-06 you'd need that console to have a GTX 780 in it. That they don't is showing the FACT that the consoles are starting with tech that is a couple years behind high end PC's, and more if you consider the Uber SLI Pc's. Not only that but you'd need something far more powerful then the mobile CPU they got in them. PC's were still using single core CPU's and the dual cores were barely coming out. So say the 360 and PS3 launched in 2007-2008 with the same specs they did, and THEN compare them to top end 2007-2008 PC's and that's a proper STARTING point comparison. Growth of software slows down PC's? Wow. People do realize that if say a particular program is updated and uses more resources like pretty much all programs do, then you close the program before you start playing a game. Ctrl+Alt+delete style. People are also acting like the OS of the consoles, won't somehow get bloated over the years. Super optimized doesn't give you that much difference. TLOU is not a good looking game. Sorry. Graphically it looks like any other under rezzed 360/PS3 game. The art direction is good. Some people conflate the two. Just like now how some people say GTA V graphics are good on consoles. No, they are not. I'm sure the art direction and attention to detail is amazing. True these things can help blur the line a bit, but overall TLOU running at 1080p or higher with DX11 style features would be a good looking game. That's why many WANT a TLOU PS4 edition. Because it can be done so much better and actually be a good looking game. C'mon guys. The PS4 will be a good system, I'm buying one. I'm even choosing to play some games on the PS4 that I could play at higher settings on my PC. But what you guys are putting out there about PS4 vs PC is simply not true. That's reality. It's #truthfact. It's perfectly OK.
My current PC already competes with PS4 hardware, so I'm not interested in a Steam Box to play the Steam I already play on my PC. Steam Box isn't a very clever idea, imo. A Steam Box is a PC is a PC is a PC.
The consoles of this next gen basically are PCs, taking advantage of the console's GPUs translates to taking advantage of AMD's mid ranged 7 series. I wouldn't be surprised if the PC specs ends up translating to that on their boxes. the only way Specs in the PC world could be bogus is if the technology couldn't be replicated, in which in this case it actually can.
@warthunder You said specs on paper mean nothing due to console optimization but you infact contradict a lot of the sony fanboys out there. By your logic just because on paper ps4 is stronger than x1 means nothing to due to x1 very custom architecture (in comparison to ps4) which games can fully optimize. I find a rebuttal with a ps4 is more powerful on paper futile because that would contradict your statement about pc specs. Whatever, fanboys like to change based on the situation. What ever neccessary to prove your point right... right?
@zele.... I don't think so bro. Calling the ps4 a low end pc is ridiculous because I have a low end gaming pc and Mass effect 2 looks and runs like shit compared to the ps3 version so I can't imagine what the ps4 will do to mid end gaming pc's lol! pc fanboys cannot accept the fact that console games can look and play equally as great without tweaking, upgrades and enhancements that the pc requires all the time. That's what I think they hate on, the fact that they have to spend and work hard for their games while console gamers just pop in a disc and enjoy;-)
@jmc8888 In your wall-o-text you seem to have pretty good arguments, and then you claim "TLOU is not a good looking game", and then I doubt everything you say. You are either blind, biased, or spoiled. Its a great looking game by any standard.
@jmc888 The reason people want TLoU on PS4 is for faster loading times. The load times for TLoU on the PS3 can get ridiculous sometimes. The graphics/performance are pretty damn good for a PS3 game.
Are you crazy buying a gaming laptop you should never do that because you can't upgrade a laptop you should know that .
AMD uses x86 architecture for the latest consoles which means games will be made on the PC as the lead platform and scaled down for the xdone and ps4. Console advocates seem to forget this. Saying that the console has 2x the processing power of the PC for the same specs is so 2006. And PLEASE stop using TLoU as an example of console graphical excellence. I own the game, I've spent over 20 hrs playing it, and the graphics are disgusting for a 2013 game. Artistically it's beautiful but technically it's atrocious. The aliasing was so distracting and the low res textures constantly reminded me just how old the ps3 is. Don't even get me started on the awful frame-rate. TLoU should be praised for its story telling and intense gameplay, NOT its graphics. By the time 2014 comes to a close and the first round of PS4/xdone games are out hopefully you kids will begin to realize the true power of the PC. And you don't have to spend a lot of money to build a rig that destroys any console.
Hopefully some game footage will come out.
Im sure, but a laptop of that caliber is about 1000+ dollars.
They can't even afford to outpower the Wii U. I don't know about Sony or Nintendo but Microsoft spend billions creating the X1. About 1 billion on Kinect 2. Valve can't dream about spending that much cash. if its going to be anything like a traditional console(not like ouya). It's power would be Xbox 360 level. @OrangePowerz You don't get the point. If they spend 1 billion dollar on just Kinect.What do you think the console itself would cost? A shit load more, I can tell you that. The new consoles are already small PC's. So I don't really get what you're trying to say here.
Why? Valve doesn`t need to spend money on crap like Kinect and they can afford to make a small PC that can match the X1 for an affordable price. They don`t need to build a console, just something that has the size of a console and use standard PC hardware with most likely Linux as their OS given Gabes comments about how Linux is the future for computer games.
A large chunk of that money is spent on R&D. Valve knows PC hardware pretty well by now, and will most likely have several options available. Also, if you really believe that MS spent one billion on Kinect, then you also probably believe that they spent the same amount on their new controller. What this means is either you're incredibly gullible, or MS has horrible engineers. Either way, Valve can put together a machine with some serious power that would compete with consoles. Especially if they're not as worried about power draw as MS and Sony.