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Fable Creator - GTAV Sales "Not Impressive"

Fable creator Peter Molynuex reveals how he is unimpressed with the speedy sales of Rockstar's open-world epic. (Grand Theft Auto V, Peter Molyneux, PS3, Xbox 360)

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Majin-vegeta  +   872d ago | Well said
Can someone please shut him up alread?
-Foxtrot  +   872d ago | Well said
I think he's a little jealous in my opinion...

Thing is though Peter, that's what happens when you actually deliver most of the stuff you've went on about since your games reveal.
Pintheshadows  +   871d ago | Well said
I couldn't agree with you more.

Words are just words Peter. Show me an example of one of your projects that actually lived up to your 'words'.

He is so far up his own arse he is staring at the roof of his mouth.
zeee  +   871d ago
Oh yes, lets take the word of a mediocre game designer. Seriously, I can't stand this guy. When was the last time he did something awesome? Yeah, I figured!
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AngelicIceDiamond  +   871d ago
I haven't commented since this game came out, been busy playing it.

Lol that's why hes broke and needs kick starter to fund his little games.

Btw Peter you didn't leave the AAA buissness, the AAA business left YOU.
SanMarco  +   871d ago
Just wait till Trevor Philips hears about this!
ChrisW  +   871d ago
Ummm... Guys!!! He's talking about profit margins...
Thehyph  +   871d ago
You know how you can tell he screwed up?
Every post on here has more agrees. He *bleeped* up enough to unite n4g even.

I think I'm in the same boat as everyone else; I laughed when I read the title.
guitarded77  +   871d ago
@ ChrisW

Doesn't matter... it's still a stupid comparison. Sure some smaller games can turn 3+ million a day with a smaller investment, but that is not the entirety of gaming. We know GTA couldn't take that approach of development, and most GTA players are far less inclined to play the games (development formula) he's comparing it to and vice versa. Compare GTA to a blockbuster movie... compare the other games to 15 minute sitcoms. One makes advertising dollars, the other makes box office dollars. Both exist, but monetize in different ways. What GTAV did on day one was impressive.
Xof  +   871d ago
Defensive fanboy much?

All he did was point out the (massive) earnings disparity between console and mobile games. GTAV had a massive budget and is raking in enormous amounts of money (approaching record-breaking in its market)... but what they're making of GTAV pales in comparison to the amount of money mobile games are generating.

Maybe the article would have been better served if Molyneux had explained his commnet more, but considering none of the 60-ish people who have thus far bothered to comment in this thread could be arsed to read his 20-word quote in the first place, it probably wouldn't have accomplished anything.

Molyneux isn't the one displaying childish emotionalism here: it's you all.
Death  +   871d ago
Peter isn't directing his comments and insight to gamers. He's directing it at small developers looking to create something on a much smaller budget. Sometimes it's a matter of context, sometimes it's Peter not explaining himself to everyone that hears him.

For what it is worth the small developers/indies are the opposite of the Rockstars of the world. This is what everyone that cheers the indie scene is supporting. Games that can run on our smart phones and our consoles that generate s very nice profit margin.
Boody-Bandit  +   871d ago
Rockstar is unimpressed with Peter Molynuex impressions on GTA V sales.
dmeador  +   871d ago
Seems like my advice is the same on every title that is initially misleading to generate clicks: read the article, haha. He is completely correct that if you compare the profit margin on huge games like this to mobile, its no comparison.
kraigslist_killa  +   871d ago
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!......Peter is butt hurt,.....back to you Bob.
xXxSeTTriPxXx  +   871d ago
Its pure jealousy, he wanted one of his games to hit 5mil (the 5mil club as he calls it) never happened for him.

Gta5 800mil dollars in a couple dayz and your not impressed lmfao.
g4me_he4d  +   871d ago
I can't find a single adjective to describe this guy, words aren't enough anymore.
SilentNegotiator  +   871d ago
Who cares about margins if you're making $550,000,000 profit at launch? How many mobile games make that in their lifetime?
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shoddy  +   871d ago
Damn gta5 cost $250mil to produce and they make $800mil in one day and he said that's not impressive?

I think his games are the impressive one.
shadow2797  +   871d ago
He didn't do a very good job making his point. GTA V earned $800 million in 1 day and (according to Peter) will eclipse $1 billion in it's first month.

Then he says some mobile games sell $5 million a day.

Well, $800 million > $5 million
$5 million x 31 days in a month = $155 million
$1 billion > $155 million

Granted, there's a lot of factors to consider. One is a $60 AAA game with sales that will drop quickly, and one is a >$10 mobile game with a small budget that will have more consistent sales if it's popular. At face value, however, he doesn't back up his "unimpressive" claim very well.
Philaroni  +   871d ago

Well with his logic then every single console game's sales including his own have not been impressive. I do see the point he makes, just it is a very dull one.
Ju  +   871d ago
Shadow, I fully agree. I'm not impressed with his "$3M a day" - this usually isn't sustained business and and even if, I want to see how this applies to how many games, and over which time frame. To reach what GTA achieves in it's lifetime, this would require mobile games make this amount every single day, 365days a year. Which is quite unlikely. Well, both are great results if you are on the receiving side, don't get me wrong.
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Awesome_Gamer  +   871d ago
What a joke this guy has become.
Jack_Of_All_Blades  +   871d ago
He's totally jelly
BattleAxe  +   871d ago
"Fable Creator - GTAV Sales "Not Impressive"

If Geoff Keighley lets Molyneux back onto the Bonus Round, then he himself will lose all credibility.
KazHiraiFTW  +   870d ago
The butthurt is strong with this one.
Harkins1721  +   871d ago
Ya true hes quite annoying.
oONinjavitiSOo  +   871d ago
Totally agree! So annoying! Comparing real games to mobile sh*t "games" is borderline retarded. People actually pay real money for mobile "games"? If you are a mobile "game" developer don't act like you hold any weight in the real gaming industry with you're uninspired phone trash. I wonder if these mobile "game" developers have ever heard of a thing called integrity?
showtimefolks  +   871d ago
he wasn't impressed by sony/ps4 either

this man thinks too highly of himself, he over promises and under delivers

i am having fun with GTA5, its not a 10/10 but 9.10 for sure, and it deserves all its getting. stop hating and for once say congrats to RS for what they have delivered on 7-8 year old consoles is unbelievable
badz149  +   871d ago

here. might be helpful
SolidGear3  +   871d ago
Alright, Light.. :3
Deadpool101  +   871d ago
Peter Molynuex is a talented guy and has made some great games but some times he really needs think before he speaks.
I can understand the whole "look how impressive these mobile game revenues are and they cost a lot less to make" side of it but come on Peter. $700-800 million dollars worth of sales in one day is amazing whether it's a $150 million budget AAA game or a $50,000 indie title. Hell even Activision are problably impressed and they make stupid sums of money EVERY YEAR with the Call of Duty titles.
Peter should apologise and give Rockstar the praise they deserve, they've made an amazing game.
Plus his probably a little jealous that their open world is capable of even more things than he over promised that Fables could do.
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freezola75  +   871d ago
Ferreal Molynuex? Now you sir take a seat over there by Mr. Reggie "Meh" Fis Amie

These guys are incredible. One guy is mad that ppl won't be talking about his console as much after this November...

The other has a failed franchise (except for the 1st one).

Yea umm... Can I get some Milk with this PB & Jealous much sandwich please?

Rock★ earned that shit! Can they live... Sheesh

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nosferatuzodd  +   871d ago
wow the this guy cant make a good rpg if is life depends on it and he have the balls to talk about whats not impressive really
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Edito  +   871d ago
Let him be, his jealous and frustrated at the same time cause his games are simple not good enough...
BallsEye  +   871d ago
As much as I don't like gaming on mobile, he is right. That stupid mobile games sell in huge numbers and bring gigantic profit.
T2  +   871d ago
thats true but its more about them being free or convenient... unfortunately I can't play gta5 while stuck in an airport, but still, its a problem the vita is addressing....
because really ? If all I could ever play was angry birds I'd rather watch tv
Ju  +   871d ago
Oh man...true...I played KZ Merc all end during my last flight in from Europe. More of those, please. .. a real GTA Vita version???
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avengers1978  +   871d ago
Hi Pete, I'm going to teach you a little math.
GTA V sells 800 million dollars, whatever mobile game you are talking about makes 3-5 million a day, so let's say 4 million a day, it will take 200 days for them to make what GTA V did in one day.

And I bet that GTA will still sell copies in that time frame also.
grailly  +   871d ago
if you take into account that the mobile game cost 2-3 million to make and is earning 3-4 million a day it's a WAY batter investment than GTAV.

I don't know people are getting so mad, he's just stating that one game is earning relatively more money. I'm really sorry about it not being your preferred game...
Baka-akaB  +   871d ago
Only a selection of mobile games make those outstanding numbers anyway . And among those , half comes from mobile gaming studios that already cemmented their place with previous successes such as Rovio and Gameloft .

So i'm not seeing his point there . Established publishers and studiosa re making the most profits in both of those industry , whatever the initial investment . not every single guy in his cave will have a breakout hit
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Ju  +   871d ago
Doesn't matter how much each costs to make. The margin @ $1B is so high, that cost of mobile games vs. block buster becomes a come in the base line. Total profit is still in the billions, while mobile games won't reach those, no matter how much those cost to make.
Goku781  +   871d ago
He must be smoking something cause its not like you see that everyday, whether you like the game or not.
kenshiro100  +   871d ago
Yep, I sense jealousy from this guy.
Kingnichendrix  +   871d ago
Yeah the guy is a moron the quality of Fable just seems to get worse from the first yet GTA seems to improve on every sequel apart from GTA 4 never quite knew what to think about that compared to the others.
Anon1974  +   871d ago
Wow. Way to create a flamebait headline without adding any context at all.

Read what Molyneux said (and maybe try to spell his name right) and you'll see he was making a very valid comparison. GTA's sales are amazing but when you compare it to the money coming in from mobile game sales it does pale in comparison to some of the mobile heavy hitters.

I know it happens all the time, but it still bugs me to see articles like this take their dev quotes out of context or spin them into some hit-baiting nonsense. And this one can't even be bothered to spell the man's name correctly. Downvote from me for this site.
Bobby Kotex  +   871d ago
It's an apple to oranges comparison. Also there's was no need to trash the biggest entertainment launch of all time. He just comes off as bitter considering Fable 3 is a personal failure for him.
Anon1974  +   870d ago
That's the thing. He doesn't come off as bitter. If you read the talk he gave, he's just stating a fact. The media is the one that's hyping the release of GTA while they largely ignore just how huge the mobile market is. It's an excellent point, and certainly one that made me stop and think.

As for Fable, what on earth does that have to do with anything? I can understand if he was up there saying "Look at the hundreds of millions mobile games make every single day. That's all me. Screw GTA," but that isn't even remotely what's being said here. There wasn't even a hint of ego in that statement. His statements have nothing to do with him personally and I don't understand how anyone thinks it does. People just love to dump all over this guy.

Edit: And how on earth has this not been taken down as a dupe? It's just a snippet of the talk that was reported here taken out of context and blown up as a flamebait headline...
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Bobby Kotex  +   871d ago
Peter Molyneux - Not Impressive.
yeahokchief  +   871d ago
He makes iphone games. Who cares what he thinks?

ROckstar are Kings!
JsonHenry  +   871d ago
From an investment/R&D perspective and in comparison to mobile device sales it is not really that impressive.

The time and money it took them to make GTA5 vs what it cost to make smaller indie/app style games and the money they make per $1.00 invested just doesn't add up in favor of AAA gaming.
ZHZ90  +   871d ago
I agree with you, Majin.

Was Fable 3 was that good game?
Nope, Angry Joe covers all this up.
Which means that Fable won't sell 800 million dollars in 24 hours just like GTAV did.
Donnieboi  +   872d ago
Why you hatin', Petey?
Majin-vegeta  +   872d ago | Funny
Cuz no one wanted to play my game MILO where you could touch a little boy xD.
shivvy24  +   871d ago
Hahaha made my day
freezola75  +   871d ago
Word as bond Majin! Bubs for the funny bub.

Preach.. Chuuuch... Tabernacle...

I dammn sure wasn't feeling that Milo cat..

I believe that an Amber Alert should've been issued for that cat years ago right?
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nosferatuzodd  +   871d ago
lol good one Micheal Jackson bastard lol i give you some bubbles for that one
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nerdeu  +   871d ago
Gamers: Fable-series "Not impressive"
SniperControl  +   872d ago
What is going on with this guy lately??
Heartnet  +   871d ago
Tbh he is correct when in comparison to certian mobile game hits that take a quarter of the time to develop with a tenth of the budget and they will make more than this game.

Games which are earning millions of dolla per day is impressive whereas spending 5 yrs + and hundreds of million of dollars to get twice / three that back... is un-impressive...

he is correct.
grailly  +   871d ago
yeah, on top of that, if people read the article, they would realize he was just making a point, of course he thinks 800 million is impressive!
JasonXS12  +   870d ago
But think about it, does Rockstar make you pay money just to play the next level of their game? No. All these mobile games are getting their money mainly from people who pay to play or win.
maddfoxx  +   870d ago
Yes, but you don't get many mobile games that can push numbers like that. Mobile games can be played anywhere at any time and are very addicting. It doesn't help that most of them are "play to win" games. Mobile games target anyone with a Facebook account and a smart phone and take little to no effort to start up and play. Console games are only played on one system . . . a TV and time are required. Why is he even comparing the two when they are a part of two completely different markets? Its like one person claiming U2 has one of the highest grossing concert tours and then another person trying to downplay that success by saying that the movie Avatar grossed more money. The comparison doesn't make any sense at all. GTA5 broke so many records and is doing better than almost every console game released so far this gen, and hes trying to downplay that my comparing apples to oranges. . .
maddfoxx  +   870d ago
The Iphone 5 is the best selling phone of 2013!

Molynuex - That's not impressive. Tomatoes make so much more money. . . now that's impressive.
iMaim  +   872d ago
Now that's just sportmanship. Gamemanship. Whatever.
Rashid Sayed  +   871d ago
I literally laughed when I read the title.
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qzp  +   871d ago
could be sarcasm
mylogicss  +   871d ago
00  +   871d ago
I don't know how anyone can look at gta making 800 million in one day and say not impressive, that's goddamn insane.
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Brix90  +   871d ago
Yeah, What's close to a billion dollars in a couple days.
Koyes  +   871d ago
One day ** that's right, Gta V nearly made a billion in one day and this fool is 'not impressed'. Say that when your games ever do that
T2  +   871d ago
sadly this guy was too busy taking a franchise with potential and then attempting to milk it regularly, the franchise never improved in fact it got worse and worse.
grailly  +   871d ago
do people even realize he's not at lionhead anymore?
M-M  +   871d ago
So making nearly $1 billion dollars in one day isn't impressive? What's wrong with this guy?
Heartnet  +   871d ago
But it wasnt one day.... not really... the orders just stacked from pre orders etc.... and then took it all at once...

But he comparison is spot on.. Low budget mobile games make more money than this overall... SO how can he be impressed after seeing that?
Godmars290  +   871d ago
How, when you've made a series such as Fable which became less in terms of both production quality and sales, does someone say something so obviously stupid?
JeffGUNZ  +   871d ago
Well said. This guy needs to duct tape his mouth shut.
Heartnet  +   871d ago
Cuz some1 who makes hundreds of k per year know what there talking about whereas some random guy on the forrums knows nothing...

he isnt on about his games he is on about games in generall.. IF u saw the comparison in article ud know how unimpressive the amount of money gta will make..
Godmars290  +   871d ago
The comparison is between production costs/profits of AAA console titles and hobbled together iOS titles. Actual opposite extremes of current game development. Of which its doubtful he's achieved the level of success on either platform which R* has on one. That by all counts they've managed to exceed expectations and promises where he's repeatedly under-delivered.

In his world view GTAV, which utilized hundreds of game makers who have developed an intricate virtual world, has less importance than the couple of people who put out Candy Crush.

That he has a history and reputation whereas I have none doesn't even register in this discussion.
warczar  +   871d ago

who gives a shit how much money he makes being a microsoft apologist. the fact is he's only made 1 good god sim and fable. GTA consistently gets better while Fable consistently got worse. he has no room to talk.
Heartnet  +   871d ago
It shows he knows alot... alot more than any1 on these forums...

It doesnt matter what he has made... he isnt on about fable.. he is on about profits and what triple A games achieve in comparison to mobile games.... Read the article before you comment
warczar  +   867d ago

and I'm on about Fable and the empty promises old Pete makes. Comparing cell phone crap to AAA games is the stupidest comparison he could have made in the first place and he's commenting on how much money GTA made and I was just pointing out the fact that he will never make a game that makes 800 mil in one day so he should keep his mouth shut... just like you.
WeAreLegion  +   871d ago
I thought reading the article would make this less cringeworthy, but it didn't. Great job, Pete. -_-
UncleGermrod  +   871d ago
Big respect for Pete, but the last few times I heard him speak I was just baffled. He is like that once genus professor who now just sits in his lab and throws up crap from his face. What the hell happened man. I saw an interview where he was asked his opinion about the next gen consoles and he chose xbone and he just kept contradicting himself and sounding like a 12 yr old fanboy...and this is coming from someone who is more of an xbox guy (day one brah). But yea, he just needs to stop with this already.....
grimmweisse  +   871d ago
Peter, go back to over-hyping your mediocre games. Promise so much but deliver so little!
Az1mov  +   871d ago
This freaking dude is so bitter and stupid. He should retire and go play some golf in Los santos
OrangePowerz  +   871d ago
How can you say that? He is awesome, he made Theme Hospital, Populous, Black and White and so on.
0pie  +   871d ago
First, i dont know who did this shity article but his name is Peter Molyneux....

Molyneux should not be taken seriously. This guy is a has been that never was.
Everything he say is biased toward who he work with or with what he's actually doing as a game.

i still wonder why people ask him question about game industry...

Also ; this video is really related about what peter molyneux said!

Related video
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JohnS1313  +   871d ago
What a moron. Please just shut your trap and never talk about gaming again. You never have anything to say worth listening to.
theWB27  +   871d ago
Fable Creator - GTAV Sales "Not Impressive"

One of the very few articles that can bring N4G together in harmony and say....BS.

I can not stop playing this game. 20 hours in and still have 30 missions to complete plus all the side stuff. Haven't even touched the stock market. A+ R*
UncleGermrod  +   871d ago
I gotta get a copy asap man. just afraid ill wind up failing at life as a result lol
theWB27  +   871d ago
I'd be lying if I said it wouldn't. Me and daylight have been at odds since I plopped it in my system...luckily I work nights.
CaptainPunch  +   871d ago
He's just looking for attention, he hasn't put out a good game in years. Dudes a relic.
ChipChipperson  +   871d ago
$800 million dummy. How about you put that much effort into your games and make more than that on release, then you can talk shit. Until then, stick your games up your ass and shut your mouth.
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solidboss07  +   871d ago
What a prick!
grassyknoll  +   871d ago
"Mobile games... achieving 3 to 5 million a day". That's not impressive, it's depressing.
Angeljuice  +   871d ago
Thats over a billion a year, and continues for several years to come. GTA makes money far quicker, but it won't be making a billion a year in two years time and the initial costs and development time on phone apps are tiny compared to GTA.
Lifetime revenues on these (select few) phone apps is far greater than what can be expected from GTA. That is his point, although he did say it in a sensationalist manner.
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grassyknoll  +   871d ago
I understand his point, that's why it's so depressing.
warczar  +   871d ago
what cell phone game makes a billion a year for multiple years? I have to know because I have just as many games on my phone as the next guy but I've never spent a dime on one. So I have to know, what ios game are people spending real money on?
grailly  +   871d ago
how dare you make sense? we're hating on molyneux, here!
Angeljuice  +   871d ago
Ok, I'm with you now (and I agree). ;-)
xKugo  +   871d ago
Does this mean that Fable is going to sell faster?
I would love to see that happen, lol
Heartnet  +   871d ago
He didnt compare it to fable or any of the games he has been involved in....

he is comparing to mobile games... which cost 1% of what gta cost to make and will take in the same amount of money but they will make 1000% of their intial investment..

spend $200-$400m creating a game to tkae back $1-1.5bil or create a game that cost $1m and take the same amount? your choice
Dex37  +   871d ago
He's mad because he didn't create Grand Theft Auto but instead he created fable. Ooooooooo!!!!!! so close better luck next time
Benchm4rk  +   871d ago
Easy to say when when 1 game will shatter sales of everything he has done combined. At least GTA 5 lived up to the hype. Same can not be said for any of his games
Angeljuice  +   871d ago
I loved Black and White!!! That's about it though.
shivvy24   871d ago | Immature | show
tigertron  +   871d ago
Someone is butt hurt.
Godmars290  +   871d ago
Someone is talking more about the business side of gaming and casual gamers rather than something more involving, complex and above all expensive than GTAV. About how a game of that level is a gamble of an investment in time and effort.

Where he's wrong however is criticizing or downplaying that gamble after its paid off. More so when his own gambles of that type failed to pay off, in part due to his lack of effort.
Omran  +   871d ago
Peter i have one question for you

where is Project Milo or whatever it is ?
jay2  +   871d ago
Awww, why? because it didn't work out that way with any of your games in terms of sale...........SHUT UP.
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