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Submitted by NatureOfLogic 875d ago | opinion piece

Developer complaints confirm the unfinished state of the Xbox One

Even though there are boxes of them ready to be shipped out to retailers all over the world, it is becoming painfully clear that Microsoft’s Xbox One console is not yet fully baked. (Xbox One)

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WorldGamer  +   875d ago
Zinger!!! MS better hope this doesn't gain traction. That would not be good for them, especially with the X1 spec debacle that is currently festering on the internet.

MS can't catch a break and next-gen isn't even here yet.

PoSTedUP  +   875d ago | Well said
yeah guys lets rush it onto the market! there's nothing smarter than That technique...

throwing somebody a bone is expressing the smallest form of empathy/sympathy, today xbox gamers, it has just gotten even smaller, you have just been thrown an xbone...
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xHeavYx  +   875d ago
This confirms that Sony forced MS to release their console earlier than they wanted to. RROD all over again I bet.
From the article "Coupled with the repeated reports of Microsoft still not showing off launch games on their own console, and instead using PCs that grossly outperform the console those games are expected to run on, it’s becoming increasingly clear that Xbox One users will see updates after launch to finish bringing the console up to where it belongs"
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PoSTedUP  +   875d ago
i pretty much confimed this in a comment in march, and i used microsofts "mysterious and unplanned" event in april that came out of nowhere Right after sony confirmed the ps4's launch. i knew they werent really ready, the shadyness of that even spoke volumes about the state of the xboxone.
tuglu_pati  +   875d ago
"coupled with the repeated reports of Microsoft still not showing off launch games on their own console, "

this are the kind of statements which lead me to believe this websites are bias. How can they say this when they MS had games running on real consoles in Pax and Gamescom.

"while neither console is ready with perfectly tweaked drivers for their hardware, Microsoft has been lagging behind Sony with updates such that the experience between the two devices is now absolutely noticeable for developers. "

Maybe this is why developers are saying the PS4 is performing 30-50% better, because MS is way behind on the drivers, not because of the specs. Who know I don't knows what to believe anymore.
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JokesOnYou  +   875d ago | Well said
"Coupled with the repeated reports of Microsoft still not showing off launch games on their own console, and instead using PCs that grossly outperform the console those games are expected to run on"

-This is a remix of old rumors that were debunked, regurgitated and put out as current news...notice its always "reports" or "a developer", this site is clearly uninformed.
shoddy  +   875d ago
Xbox fan won't mind about shoddy hardware anyways.

they would buy 3 xbox.
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tuglu_pati  +   875d ago

Im a Xbox fan and i do care about shoddy hardware.
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MysticStrummer  +   875d ago
"Xbox fan won't mind about shoddy hardware anyways."

Everyone has their limits. I know several people who bought multiple 360s due to RRoD, but none of them want a One for that every reason.
bigfish  +   875d ago
Why have microsoft been sitting around with their fingers up their ass cracks? They have had such a long time to develop this console, it should have been ready bu now!
MWong  +   875d ago
@ PoSTedUP
"throwing somebody a bone is expressing the smallest form of empathy/sympathy, today xbox gamers, it has just gotten even smaller, you have just been thrown an xbone..."

Maybe that't why Major Nelson doesn't like the XBox being called the XBone lol.

This isn't much of a shocker. For the past few months M$ has been focused on catching up to the PS4's specs. Even though I plan on only getting a PS4 at the next-gen launch. For any launch day XBone consumers I hope this article is wrong.
Death  +   875d ago
I'm a little skeptical of any news piece that doesn't site a reputable source. Is this an indie developer? Is it a larger developer? We have no idea who is saying this and when. What driver isn't available? Both systems use the same basic chip design custom made by AMD.

Perhaps the middleware is incomplete? This makes perfect sense since middleware is constantly evolving. It took years for the PS3's middleware to get to a point where games looked and played the same on both systems.

As for Microsoft being rushed, how do you justify this when AMD manufactured both systems basic architecture. These consoles have been in development for quite some time. Microsoft has had games running on pre-production consoles for awhile now at the events they have been attending. How are people still saying they are playing on PC's?
PoSTedUP  +   875d ago
lol @ mwong: i was thinking the same thing. he probably thought of all the jokes already, like "oh god, no". lol
The_Con-Sept  +   875d ago
I don't think the competition is going to survive this round. Sony and PlayStation are truly going to be the only two names we keep this gen. Microsoft has its goose cooked. Nintendo doesn't even have a goose... And Sony is now the only goose laying golden eggs. Next gen we will see someone new or old step up to The PlayStation brand.

But it won't be ninety or micro.
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Mystogan  +   875d ago
You do realize that this article is flamebait right?

it has no source for these claims or whatsoever.
vulcanproject  +   875d ago
I remember a few years ago, long before PS4 was announced but its existence was becoming inevitable, Sony repeated one thing about any possible new console.

They said over and over, WE WILL NOT BE OUT LAST.

They knew that that huge delay really hurt PS3 initially, it really hurt their potential allowing rivals to get traction for a whole year. They weren't going to let that happen again.

Sony are basically taking an eraser over their previous mistakes and rubbing them out one by one.

PR disasters- Banished.
Arrogance to the consumer- Gone.
Complicated hardware- Cerny's loveletter to devs
Difficult dev tools- Fixed.
Late to market- Ready to roll.

Its incredible how the tables have turned. I love seeing new consoles release and evolve.

Microsoft have limited time to get their house in order, they need to be cracking heads together and getting on with it because it could turn real ugly real quick this Holiday season if they don't.
Army_of_Darkness  +   875d ago
Xbone will be as ready as the first time I lost my virginity. .. .. . Ahem.. .. .. . Sadness and disappointment was involved.
Death  +   875d ago
Exactly how many times have you lost your virginity Army?
Army_of_Darkness  +   875d ago
@death, cherry popping only happens once my friend. .. . Only once.
vigilante_man  +   875d ago
@Army_of_Darkness: Very funny!

@Death: If you have to ask, you have not lost yours yet!!
Insomnia_84  +   874d ago
How come this article isn't in the front page being at a higher heat degree (660)than the GTA5 one (640) at this very moment? Don't sell out just yet n4g!! Let the public know! XD

Anyway.... Looks like MS is in for a really bad run this time.
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Death  +   874d ago
Ha! Tell that to my wife and kids. Maybe you can save me some money so I can afford to buy both consoles at launch.
cell989  +   875d ago
they deserve all that fire for thinking customers were stupid enough to fall for their BS. Damage has been done, all they can do now is fix one thing at a time. Also Sony took them by storm, they didnt think Sony would be this ahead on the console development and now theyre behind, they had 7 years to get this going and they just sat on their laurels(halo, gears and kinect) Sony had 6 and they are making swift moves.

You got to give it to Sony, theyre not fucking around this time
mistertwoturbo  +   875d ago
"Coupled with the repeated reports of Microsoft still not showing off launch games on their own console, and instead using PCs that grossly outperform the console those games are expected to run on"

This sums up the article quite a bit.

A lot of the games seen have be running on actual PS4 dev kits while Xbone titles have been running on crazy PC hardware.
Death  +   875d ago
Before dev kits and de-bug units are available, development starts on PC's. It's not uncommon to see unfinished code running on these PC's. When we see early software at a show it is typically run on a debug unit which resembles the finished console. Dev kits are rarely at a show due to cost and the fact most showing is on debug units or PC's if it is early in the consoles development.

Here's an Xbox debug unit:

Very early Xbox 360 Dev kit: It looks very familiar to apple fans since they both share the same risc based architecture. Was under NDA last I knew.

Xbox360 Degug unit:

PS4 dev kit:

PS4 Debug unit: According to FCC docs it looks identical to the consumer model.

Confusion here is due to the fact the debug unit or "test kit" looks just like a retail PS4. The answer was it is common to run unsigned code on debug units and not retail consoles that can't do it.
PunisherRevenge  +   875d ago
LOL...This is so funny. this article says there are developers complaining about the unfinished hardware of the X1, but yet fails to list the names of the developers or the sources they got it The sad part is that a lot of people will believe this and pass it off as truth SMH!
otherZinc  +   875d ago

Ign played Battlefield, said the PS4 version wasn't good.
Sites played Drive Club, said it sucked.

Forza 5 was played by many, NO ONE said it wasn't Grade A.
Turn 10 confirmed 1080p "native" 60fps.
No Dev has said any game was running 1080p "native" @ 60fps on PS4 and you guys blindly believe words and not the games they verified through specs and gameplay.

I can't wait for the truth (Actual Game Specifications) to be verified to see all the egg on peoples faces when the facts are shown.
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pixelsword  +   875d ago
1. I am actually interested in DC; do you have the name those sites so I can see how reputable/new they are? I'm not calling this link reliable, but they counter what you said, I just want to get a scope of sites who say what you said (besides IGN, Kotaku, and GameTrailers; of whom are totally unreliable for consistently accurate reviews).

2. Why is the word native in quotes?

3. Cod: Ghosts is confirmed 1080p, 60fps:

Although they don't say native, they don't say "native" either; so that's at least one game as far as 1080p, 60fps.
2cents  +   875d ago

Riding off the EdgeOnline article, which itself had no developer names or dates for these comments. Journalism is really dropping in integrity.

Many of the quotes from the edge article had been said months ago, and being rehashed again months later to make out that the problem has just arisen. Sony fanboys and Xbox fanboys will believe what they want to. Others can see exactly what is going on.
johndoe11211  +   875d ago
What exactly is going on?
2cents  +   875d ago

Im not sure if your being sarcastic or serious, but you either get it or you don't. And so far 4 other people do.
johndoe11211  +   874d ago
The first post in this article has 97 people that "got" what he was saying, you only have 4. i think it's safe to say that the majority of people don't "get" what you are saying. So, that could only mean two things, either the majority of people are clueless and idiotic, which i'm sure YOU will agree to, which would make you and the other 4 the only smart people here (and I'm sure you will agree to that to stroke your ego even though you know that that is NOT the case), or you made a comment that is not totally understood.

So, keeping that in mind can you please explain what exactly is going on?

Edit: Oh, and if you reply with an insult instead of an explanation I hope it makes you feel as smart as you think you are.
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2cents  +   874d ago
In one word... Manipulation.

To everything else, you obviously have a very negative preconception of me as you have accused me of being egotistical, arrogant by implying I think the majority of people are stupid and finally Internet shouting at me in caps.

I've posted on this when the initial buzz had passed, I'm surprised anyone agreed with me, let alone 4. If you claim you know me so well then you would have read my previous comment about the whole Xbox PS debacle. You haven't brought anything to the table except direct accusation of theoretical outcomes and painting my character negatively. You seem to want to take my comments as an insult to you and your pushing me for something which iisnt going to come. I'm entitled to my opinion and I'm suggesting others may agree with me.

So again to put this to bed as I'm out of bubbles, what I feel is goin on is 'manipulation'.
johndoe11211  +   874d ago
Know what's really interesting? I asked you a simple question "What exactly is going on?" your response to me was "lol Im not sure if your being sarcastic or serious, but you either get it or you don't. And so far 4 other people do." and yet you are saying that I'm accusing you of being " egotistical, arrogant" and "painting my character negatively". You are either the biggest hypocrite I have ever had the displeasure of chatting with or you are truly oblivious to the tone of your response. Either way all you had to say in your first response was "manipulation" and this lunacy could have been avoided.

Your last response hints to the fact that you are someone that can only see the fault in others and never in yourself. Anyway, like you said "to put this to bed" I guess everyone believes and sees what they want to.
BallsEye  +   875d ago
Funny how everyone here say ps4 is 50% more powerful ad MS drivers also suck but then XO games actually look better so far. There is a storm coming this month. Only Top third party devs got final dev box this month with stereo gpus unlocked that's why more and more games on XO start suddenly popping in full HD and better framerates. Host and Guest stereo gpus and dpus, that's what it is.

"Insider(was right all the time so far with hot chips etc): 3rd party developers have final hardware.. And the company that do have it .. Capcom. Crytek. Epic. Take 10. and Rare. Ubisoft and EA only just got them this week.. And none of these developer have gone on record and said sony ps4 is 50% more powerfull..

..four very specialized gfx cores that can only be accessed via the metal xdriver. Full stereo only available after 25/30 to majority. 80% of developers only have low access...

These cores have access to all the 8 core cpu threads if need be. But two of each cpu threads do have a specialist purpose. They also have a boost ability for a special type of graphics code. Not yet seen on pc."

google the quote , you will find all the info needed and proof in older and newer posts

It is why (highly possibility) that why BF4 & Ghost & Wdogs still have to presented on PC specced X1 devkit as they waiting stereo driver to be enabled, by the time it is enabled, BF4 ad other demanding games can use full power of X1

If you think a crappy 1.3Tflop system with sh!tty drivers can pull off games like ryse and forza in full hd then you are fooling yourself. That was MS plan all the way. They didn't unlock the whole machine for the public so sony will think it has an upper hand. Once ps4 is in full production and NDA is gone and there is no chance for mahcine upgrade, MS will come out with the info insiders have been saying for months. You realy believe MS paid billions of dollars for this machine just to release it with wiiU like GPU?

I'm not a fan of MS, nor a fan of Sony. I'm gaming more than many of you are alive and you guys got very short memory. ps3 started with a killzone2 gameplay lie. This is no different. Let the downvotes begin.
johndoe11211  +   875d ago
Do you know the one mistake you, and everyone else who uses these recycled rumors, are making? It's the fact that you think that it's only the xbox one that has hidden potential.

As I stated in a post a couple days ago, Mark Cerney the lead developer of the PS4 has stated that it will take developers years before they can fully utilize the power of the ps4. Why? because of all the customizations they did. Why do you people think that only the xbox has these customizations is beyond me.

Unlike microsoft sony isn't trying to convince anyone of anything hence the lack of focus on sony. Even if all those exaggerated rumors are true it wouldn't be microsoft alone that will be using hidden aces, the problem is that with both of them doing special customizations, microsoft is still doing it on weaker hardware. How exactly are you reasoning that that will put microsoft ahead?

Are you using any sort of logic at all?
My_Outer_Heaven  +   875d ago
This does not surprise me in the slightest.. Microsoft rushed out the 360 and we all know what happened. A majority of the 360 consoles broke down with the dreaded RROD which plagued the first batch of consoles sold. I've always wondered why MS released the 360 a year earlier than Sony's PS4. Perhaps MS worried about Sony's console shipping with innovative hardware such as the built in blu-ray player which gave us a new media format that dominated HDDVD.

PS2 gave us the DVD, PS3 gave us Blu-ray... Perhaps MS were well within there right to worry what Sony had planned.

I bet with PS4 around the corner Microsoft are crapping themselves... Playstation dominance is back and Sony have always been about great hardware whilst Microsoft have always been about the software but with the terrible Window 8 release among other things I can't help but wonder if Microsoft are now constantly playing catch up with everyone else.

I reckon if 360 came out at the same time as PS3 then 360 would have probably suffered lower sales.
Ps4Console  +   874d ago
Sad to see because we need good competition in gaming we must have other gaming consoles to debate our games with not ridicule which is happening a lot with the Xbox One sadly through there own fault .
Bzone24  +   874d ago
Confirmed through anonymous sources? I'd say we need some names before it can be said as confirmed.
NatureOfLogic  +   875d ago
MS should've just delayed Xbox One. They would've had time to up the specs, fix the yield issues and possibly even save face.
CerebralAssassin  +   875d ago
In once sense yes. But by delaying the system that would have just get people something else to rag on them about. I think we are past the point of saving face. Lets just get the systems out and see what happens.
NihonjinChick  +   875d ago
Honestly, they shouldn't care about if people rag on them. They should care about trying to deliver a quality experience to their fans. And if that means delaying the console, then they should delay it.
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u got owned  +   875d ago

could you please define quality.
davidj88  +   875d ago
@u got owned

Here's your definition of quality haha

MS have been playing catch up and seemingly rushing their console to match the PS4, even though i don't believe there will be another RROD i still feel it's not helping to provide that sense of security for anyone interested in possibly buying and XboxOne.
CerebralAssassin  +   875d ago
I wasn't implying that they cared if people rag on them. I mean that no matter what they do, people will respond negatively. They put themselves into this position and now, no matter what they do people have something negative to say. I believe delivering a good experience is what they are trying to do. I don't think pushing the console back Is a good idea. A delay at this point spells disaster and they can't afford that. So we will see this system November 22nd like planned. They will update as needed and life will move on.
shoddy  +   875d ago
They survive RROD so I don't think they care if it happen again.

Xbox 360 is best selling console in NA for 32 months
NihonjinChick  +   875d ago
NA isn't the whole world. When you look at worldwide numbers, they are far from the best selling.
_QQ_  +   875d ago
@incredible gamerchick but it is probably 80% of the market MS cares about...
pete007  +   875d ago
not to mention all ps3 sold at the first years by institutions and research corps to build processing clusters not buying a single game and making sony bleed money. there goes the beautifull folding home trick and multiple os install. come on sony fans, were you outraged by this move?
deadfrag  +   875d ago
Indeed that would be the best move they should do!Delay the system completly make it better and make a wordwide release next summer holidays.I that supported the xbox 360 more then anyother console this generation find this the obvious step that Microsoft should do;i would pick one for sure,but has it seems things are going this time i will not pick the X1 at release or anytime soon my systems will be my PC,WII U and PS4 for the foreseen Future.
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Tony-A  +   875d ago
I would say that I agree with you more than I disagree. I think their PR would have had a much easier time building hype and explaining policies if they launched at least a year after the PS4.

It's the same thing I said when I found out the PS3 was launching in 2006. It didn't feel ready, and the blabbering PR disaster they had along with it only highlighted that fact.

In both cases, they would have had plenty of catching up to do in terms of sales, but it saves them the embarrassment and sense of urgency that the PS3 and XBO seemed to have just before launch. Now it looks as if MS has two major issues: going head to head with the PlayStation (which they tried to avoid at all costs this gen) and they aren't the favorites or "underdogs" like they were with the 360.
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user7402931  +   875d ago
im going to post this on youtube and hope millions see it.
PraxxtorCruel  +   875d ago
Cut the fanboy crap.
NihonjinChick  +   875d ago
Actually, he wasn't being a fanboy in that post.

When you're being a fanboy you're showing an extreme following for a product or company.

All I see in his post is that he probably doesn't like MS. He says nothing that points to his following for the company of his choice.
Magicite  +   875d ago
Majin-vegeta  +   875d ago
Wow just wow.It was what we all feared RROD 2:The sequel.

M$ better hold off on release.
u got owned  +   875d ago
The article is talking about drives and some how you came up with RROD 2 and the worst part is you have 24 agrees.
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yellowgerbil  +   875d ago
Sony, the smart consumers choice. Ms, the masochists choice.
ABeastNamedTariq  +   875d ago
That's not good.
xReDeMpTiOnx  +   875d ago
Wooooow Microsoft is just doing all sorts of stupid stuff to start off the upcoming gen..........

Sony is basically enjoying the hell out of cruise control
ma1asiah  +   875d ago
Did you even bother to red the article or just the hit for kicks headline.

"When asking developers what their experiences have been so far with software, the commentary shifted dramatically in Sony’s favor."

Which developers? The article does not name any or quote what the complaints were

"Coupled with the repeated reports of Microsoft still not showing off launch games on their own console, and instead using PCs"

As I understand it only Battlefield 4 was shown at PAX Prime using PC's

Titanfall is coming to PC, X360 and the X1 so not really a negative there that it was demoed on PC when it is actually coming to PC,

"it is becoming painfully clear that Microsoft’s Xbox One console is not yet fully baked."

Funny no proof or evidence given to support this claim

The whole article is a joke and not a very good one.
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Ittoryu  +   875d ago
Jesus did YOU read the article? It states the developer agreed to speak with anonymity as in they wouldn't tell you who said it. Now you can take that as they made it up or they have given anonymity.
ma1asiah  +   875d ago
"Jesus did YOU read the article?"

Thanks for the compliment but last time I looked I cannot walk on water, give sight to the blind or raise the dead.

Don't sweat it though obviously a common mistake since I seem to get called Jesus a lot.
DoubleM70  +   875d ago
Yes the whole article is a joke and I want to know why so many people want Microsoft to fail? Competition is good for the consumer.
XboxFun  +   872d ago

"the developer agreed to speak with anonymity"

So this makes it ok? How do we know it's not a Sony developer or some other bitter dev like Blow?

Everyone loves to believe unnamed sources talk bad about MS, but are quick to say devs are paid by MS when they actually do say something good about MS or it's system.
lifeisgamesok  +   875d ago
A bunch of no name/anonymous developers praising the Ps4 no thanks for the advice I'll listen to proven developers like Carmack who says both consoles are similar and doesn't speak of any rushed hardware specifications
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yellowgerbil  +   875d ago
the same carmack that a few sentences later went on to bash the Kinect 2 as a gimmick?
tuglu_pati  +   875d ago

Well Carmack said the consoles were similar but then he went on and say he haven't done any benchmarking. So how does he knows they are similar then?
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lifeisgamesok  +   875d ago
Which proves point even more the fact that he basically trashed Kinect but said the systems power are alike with each one having benefits. He's not on either side.

Show me a ubisoft, epic, or another big time development team that has said the Ps4 will mangle the Xbox One graphically because quite frankly the Xbox One games look greater IMHO

Ryse looks phenomenal
Infamous looks way better in the Fetch trailer than the other ones and looks fun

Dead Rising 3 looks like fun
Killzone doesn't impress me (all visuals)

Deep Down looks very promising
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DoubleM70  +   875d ago
Carmack didn't play with the Kinect 2? He was talking about the Kinect 1.
-Foxtrot  +   875d ago
Seriously Carmack is being less and less relevant, I mean what has he done this gen which has been "big"....RAGE, that's it really. Even then it wasn't that good, massive let down.

I know the guy in the past has made some terrific games but you can't let nostalgia get in the way of the present/future.
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4logpc  +   875d ago
Did you say Carmack is irrelevant...
Imalwaysright  +   875d ago
Carmack is responsible for the most popular genre in videogames: FPS. He is a legend in the industry and nothing will ever change that fact.

@ 4logpc he/she wathever probably started gaming this gen.
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-Foxtrot  +   875d ago
If everyone actually read my comment carefully I said he's is being less and less irrelevant, not irrelevant now, because he hasn't really been involved with making games this gen. As I; said the only game he really put a huge amount of effort into was RAGE and look how that turned out. It didn't live up to the hype and was disapointing


Oh shut up man you don't even know me, don't be one of these guys on the inernent who call someone by how much they've gamed in their life because you want to start an argument. I've probably been gaming longer then you. Imalwaysright ....pfft more like Imalwaysamrknowitall

I just think people shouldn't take his word so seriously these days when he hasn't really done much this gen compared to all the things he years ago for gaming.
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Imalwaysright  +   875d ago
Me? The Mister Know it all? LMAO the irony! Only someone that doesn't know squat about the history of this indudtry would say that Carmack's opinion is irrelevant.

The mister know it all here is you. Who the hell are you, a person that most likely isn't a developer and never made a game in your life let alone one of the most inovative, revolutionary and influential games to say that Carmack's opinion is irrelevant? Make no mistake about it, Carmak's opinion when it comes to this industry is without any doubt 101% more valuable than your own. No need to be upset just because he didn't say something that fits your dumbass fanboy agenda.
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stuna1  +   875d ago
Are they really no name developers! Need For Speed developer are no name? Assassin Creed developers are no name? People Can Fly developers are no names? Plus others.
How aren't they credible!? Dependent on any given situation, people are prone to hear what they want hear, but just because they don't want to hear, doesn't make the developers I just listed any less creditable.
tuglu_pati  +   875d ago
To be fair Need for Speed developer never said which of the consoles was the most powerful he just said there was one which surprisingly was better than they thought, so you are going by assumption. In the other hand People Can Fly are not working on any XBO game as far as i know so I would take their statement with a grain of salt.
Magicite  +   875d ago
please do so, but later dont blame anyone for being fooled
Ittoryu  +   875d ago
"Ryse looks phenomenal"

"Killzone doesn't impress me (all visuals)"

Mmmm they both look great actually, so your fanboy is showing in this bit there guy.
DxTrixterz  +   875d ago
Red Ring of Death V2 incoming.
Jazz4108  +   875d ago
For sony according to the latest machinima. Not ms to big of a fan and casing. Seriously they are saying sony could easily have overheating issues but you wont find that on n4g unless s negative to ms.
jhoward585  +   875d ago
the Xbox one's cpu/gpu are manufactured using the 29nm process so it highly likely the x1 would over heat(PROD)

Beside, why else would MS increase the clock speed if they knew it was going to result to PROD.

To add the that, the 29nm chip uses 3d structure on the die, not 2d structure like the ps3/xbox which means the heat sink sitting on top of the chips would do a much better job at dissipating the heat.
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sAVAge_bEaST  +   875d ago
and rumored yield issues(of course M$ would deny them), Not looking good for the xbone.
jhoward585  +   875d ago
rumor of PROD issues? what site?

cause I haven't heard anything regarding PORD issue however i have heard of several rumor stating that MS were having some manufacturing issue months ago,but thats all.
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No_Limit  +   875d ago
Savage Beast is a CBOAT worshiper, that is where the rumor came about. Cboat is also the same person that claim PS4 gamers will not have to pay to play online, PS4 will release in October, and Xbox One clock speed was decreased to 750mhz. We all know how these rumors turned out. ;)

Edit Below: How is he correct when he said "No online paywall for PS4", F2P games from Sony might not require paywall but all other games like COD, Battlefield require paywall, so he was dead wrong on that rumor.
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Ittoryu  +   875d ago
@no limits

Several games that require online play like Final Fantasy/Square/Enix have stated they will make arrangements with Sony so PS+ membership isn't required, so he is technically correct.
cell989  +   875d ago
why would they? desperate times call upon desperate moves
4logpc  +   875d ago
You should learn to research things before you try and spread lies.
jhoward585  +   875d ago
Ive done enough research.

That facts are the facts.

Both PS4 and X1 cpu/gpu are build using the 29nm process. That why MS/Sony were able to increase the clock speed of their console in the first place.

Also being that the PS4/X1 are using chips that are build using 3d structure on the die the transistors are tightly structured close together. also the transistors are structured next to each other so the heat sink will absorb the heat much more efficiently than the 2d chip.

correction: to all my post on here.. its 28nm not 29nm.
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4logpc  +   875d ago
Yea because those anonymous developers really prove that....
XboxFun  +   875d ago
Unconfirmed and rumored devs eh?

yea, nothing suspicious there to keep the fuel burning right?

Xbox One day One for me.
Magicite  +   875d ago
Pillsbury1  +   875d ago
No one should trust Microsoft after they have seen how they are treating this console launch.
nerdeu  +   875d ago
(•_•) I think Microsoft ...
( •_•)>⌐■-■
(⌐■_■) ... got owned.
dethpuck  +   875d ago
Flame bait nothing more. Moving on
Aleithian  +   875d ago
Bottom line: I don't trust Microsoft.

I'll stick with the PS4.
Hercules189  +   875d ago
You better be praying to Cerny that there wont be another hacking, maybe this time they might steal your credit card.
skydragoonity  +   875d ago
Another red ring awaits..
SugarSoSweet  +   875d ago
They really could of benefited of delaying the Xbox One by a year much like Sony did with the PS3
TheSsus  +   875d ago
Not really, since the PS4 is a much better option than XB1. Last gen, even with the PS3 released after the 360, it warranted the purchase as a Blu-ray player, as well a a gaming console. M$ has no justification should it release months/a year after the PS4.
DoubleM70  +   875d ago

there is nothing wrong with the Xbox 1. Are going to believe some anonomousy Dev over Microsoft? Due actually think Microsoft wants to deliver to you a shoddy system after RROD.
GiantEnemyCrab  +   875d ago
"Coupled with the repeated reports of Microsoft still not showing off launch games on their own console, and instead using PCs that grossly outperform the console those games"

That's all I need to read to know this is complete BS.

I've played the launch games on the hardware and MS was not hiding them at PAX. Not a single actual dev name in the article?
tuglu_pati  +   875d ago
Its incredible that you Are getting disagrees, its a fact game were running on real XBO consoles at Pax.
WeaseL  +   875d ago
All the XB1 I have seen were on top of white cabinets with vents and a lock on.

You got pictures?
MasterCornholio  +   875d ago
"white cabinets with vents"

So maybe the Xbox Ones were just dummy units.


Motorola RAZR i
Jazz4108  +   875d ago
I played and took pictures at gamestop expo and all ms games i saw were on there machine not pc. One of the boxes was open and setting in a famy room enviroment where i got to listen to it and play many games on it. It was a black box at all stations in las vegas.
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silkrevolver  +   875d ago
I'm sure it's fine.
The One seems like a fine console.

The PS4 just seems better.
SilentGuard  +   875d ago
I'm done holding out any hope for the XBOne. MS should have delayed the launch of the console a year to fix all their errors and be ready. What I take away from MS is they want to sell me a Kinect with the console as the accessory. If they put half the energy and thought into developing the console as they did the Kinect they wouldn't be in the mess they are now.
Agent_hitman  +   875d ago
What a shame for MS and Xbone!>
ShadesMoolah  +   875d ago
The article insinuates at the end that no game is running on Xbox One. I am pretty certain that Forza 5, Ryse and Dead Rising 3 have already been seen running on Xbox One hardware at recent public events - and visually they certainly impress.

I don't doubt that there's troubles for third-parties, and that PS4 will ultimately be easier to adapt games for based on it being the equivalent of a decent gaming PC by today's standards.

I wouldn't rule out Microsoft just yet though, as we can see from their exclusives, they are running on Xbox One hardware and they look impressive - I don't think anyone is disputing that fact.

Third-parties may have more bother as they adapt for various platforms, so PC and PS4 must be a dream come true for them, however from what I've been reading, Xbox One's addition of esRAM is not unlike that seen in Xbox 360, so I would expect once the tools are in place that development should breeze along. Admittedly it does leave us in an odd predicament for launch titles though, as sacrifices may yet be made to just get the games launched - which may very well go in Sony's favour, and with pricing and hardware, they already have a significant advantage as is.
No_Limit  +   875d ago
LOL, another no name rumor article submitted by Maria...I mean NatureOfLogic. :D

These kind of articles will continue to surface as we are getting closer to Nov 22 just like one party will try to reek out any negatives they can find on the opposing party to swing vote towards their beloved party.

Doesn't matter, Nov 22 is the Day for me.
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xDHAV0K24x  +   875d ago
at about 1:00 AM on the 22nd...

112,213G - Greatness Unlocked
FrigidDARKNESS  +   875d ago
Once again folks developers are under strict NDA and cannot discuss anything openly about the x1 hard ware and devkits. Another made up article that has no proof of any developers talking tto the medua.
Ben Dover  +   875d ago
In denial much? I noticed your grammar saw some errors near the end. Careful with bashing that keyboard due to your rage..
FrigidDARKNESS  +   875d ago
Nope you folks from the other side are in denial.
thebudgetgamer  +   875d ago
Sources huh?
jjb1981  +   875d ago
Here's a rumor: the Xbox one never really had its processor speed increased.
BG11579  +   875d ago
It's probably the truth because of windows 8.
All system with W8 have been banned by world’s top benchmarking and overclocking site.
This is due to a fault in Windows 8′s real-time clock (RTC), which all benchmarking tools use as a baseline.

Most of the times the result is about 6% higher than the real performance. 6% of 800MHz is about 53.33MHz, which was the augmentation they announced some days for the GPU of the xbone. Coincidence? I think not.

Check this link, it explains everything.
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cell989  +   875d ago
its funny how they have their TV service up and running, same with Skype, Kinect is all the fuzz too, but their GFX drivers are total crap lol, just goes to show you xbots where Microsoft's focus is at.
u got owned  +   875d ago
How do you know they have their TV service up and running and skype?
Belking  +   875d ago
Read between the lines people. There is still more to come for Xbox specs. The nda doesn't end until the 29 of this month. After that day AMD and MS will be revealing more...then devs will get the final kits.
viveks86  +   875d ago
Man! Have you ever considered writing fiction? You have lots of potential!
vigilante_man  +   875d ago
Doubt they would leave it this late to provide real-world dev kits. What if they found issues? All production of XB1 would have to cease and recall all boxes.

The only thing they will change is drivers. This pretty much means a Day One patch for both consoles!
Stuntz  +   875d ago
good god this is getting to the point where it is getting annoying. Can we just wait for the damn consoles to launch and then give out actual REVIEWS?
Deadpool101  +   875d ago
You cant come on here and start using logic, it wont be tolerated. But to all the fanboys on either side who are bitching about specs heres a thought for you....the most impressive game this year (GTA V) is being released on presnt gen consoles not next gen. The scope of that game beats every launch title on either console.
vigilante_man  +   875d ago
Scope does not make a good game. Lets see how it plays..
Deadpool101  +   875d ago
I agree with you 100% vigilante_man. Until we actually get our hands on it there is no way to know how good GTAV is. That same rule also applies to both next gen consoles but this place is full of people who have made judgements without so much as holding a joypad let alone playing any of the games.
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