A Microsoft spokesperson has responded to Kotaku's request for comment regarding Edge's previous article on the PS4 being 50% faster than the Xbox One.
They gave up, lol.
They are going around in circles, like always
"It was designed with balanced performance in mind" What balance ? What are the weights ? Power and Speed ? Or TV and Games ?
360's, doing doughnuts, loop the loops, arse about face.......
Ten years ago, you could argue that a console’s power was summed up in terms of a few of its specs, but Xbox One is designed as a powerful machine to deliver the best blockbuster games today and for the next decade. that there is a thinly veiled PR jargon admission
It's Microsoft's version of "circular reasoning." Round and round MS goes, like a broken record. "Look kids, Parliament, Big Ben. Look kids, Parliament, Big Ben. Look kids Parliament, Big Ben. Look kids...WE KNOW DAD, Parliament, Big Ben." All kidding aside, I do agree with them. Let the games do the talking. That is what Sony nearly always does. Maybe MS finally gets it, then again maybe not. The 2nd and 3rd generation games will really show a huge difference IMO.
This should have been the first statement a long time ago...grant it they did make this statement but they should have stuck with it...
"Xbox One architecture is much more complex than what any single figure can convey. It was designed with balanced performance in mind, and we think the games we continue to show running on near-final hardware demonstrate that performance. In the end, we’ll let the consoles and their games speak for themselves.” -Yep just like I said in the other article before this...let the games do the talking thats their trump card X1 games so far clearly are ahead of the competitions exclusives. Also its funny that the only negativity comes from annonymous sources. Now lets think about that IF true but they just don't want to go on record so their relationship with micro stays friendly then why the need to say anything at all when in any case it doesnt help them since they still will be developing for both and the need to talk behind close doors only signifies they have some underlying issue with micro, who a indie dev?, who the Braid dev?, who a sony supported dev?, WHO?
'let the games do the talking thats their trump card X1 games so far clearly are ahead of the competitions exclusives. ' I agree, being 50% weaker doesn't mean they won't still have great games. Time to take the high ground everyone and let people just be happy with their purchase, no matter what it is.
@JokesOnYou Why would any developer publicly speak out against a platform they're developer at the risk of losing their job......Hence why they stay anonymous. The PS4 is the more powerful console, but at the end of the day it all boils down to what games are on which consoles, and for that reason I'm getting a PS4, because Sony killed it with the exclusives for the PS3 this gen. M$ not so much.
@JokesOnYou "Yep just like I said in the other article before this...let the games do the talking" I'm so tired of hearing this in defense on Xbox One. Since this is the case Killzone: Shadow Fall shits on anything Xbox One has shown so far. Infamous: Second Son also looks far better already than anything I've seen coming to Xbox One. Also Driveclub it may or may not hit 60fps but I'll put it this way Forza 5 cars and physics are great but that's about all it's got going for it Driveclub on the other hand is doing far more than Forza 5 is. IMO everything I've seen on PS4 looks better than Xbox One.
@abizz they arent going to lose their job if they are singing the praise of a platform they are developing for. the criticism of the xb1 by these anonymous devs does not appear to be a sign they are in development of an xb1 title. Because an interview was given it could be the 'pass-it-on' effect. meaning that it starts with one and then gets passed along to the next and to the next and each time it gets slightly changed (the phrasing) until it appears to be something said by many when it could have been said by the same person. 50% difference in 'power' should translate into something like comparing the genesis version of street fighter to the super nintendo version. both were created specifically for each platform but there is a noticeable difference in the finished product. We just arent seeing that right now. Key words...'right now'. Will we see it? that depends on how vested a 3rd party developer is in making their game to cater to each platform. Will we see it in exclusives? That is inconclusive because what is exclusive to one has no chance of being released on another. I would say that if given the opportunity, naught Dog could have pulled off uncharted visuals on the 360 but that wont happen. Naughty dog will pull off better than uncharted visuals on the ps4 just as 343 will pull off better than halo 4 visuals on the xb1. Lets just leave it at that.
@Darthv72, wait til launch, the differences are already showing. "ATVI was doing the CoD: Ghosts port to nextgen. It took three weeks for PS4 and came out at 90 FPS unoptimized, and four months on Xbone and came out at 15 FPS."
Their previous attempt to use specs - Penello's embarrassing outing at Neogaf which was further compounded by the Ars Technica ripping - failed miserably now they are doing a 180...that's familiar...and scrambling in vain to move away from specs. This is their only window of opportunity because the longer the consoles are on the market the more prevalent and visible the performance gap will become.
@jokesOnYou "-Yep just like I said in the other article before this...let the games do the talking thats their trump card X1 games so far clearly are ahead of the competitions exclusives. " Delusion is a serious medical condition, You should seek a doctor and get therapi.
Microsofie - RAGE MODE ON since the Xbone180 reveal. POOR conSOUL.
Jokeonyou no wonder your name is joke on you hehe...
People really have to stop with the delusional argument "Let's wait and see". There's no reason for this approach, this is x86 architecture, we KNOW how these machines preform. This in mind MS response is baffling to say the least, there are no "secret architecture which brings speed boosts"for the first time these are regular old PCs, we all know how those works and there are no claiming a secret sauce - Face it, the PS4 won this hardware race!
@ JokesOnYou The delusion is infinite with you. The games already look better on PS4 and there's already a far larger and more diverse lineup on PS4 than on XB1. DriveClub has been steadily improving visually since they first showed gameplay, and the change has been drastic. It has more dynamic systems than Forza 5, which is why it is currently running at half the frame rate. The latest video shows just how insanely beautiful it looks, whilst maintaining a realistic look, whereas Forza is more cartoony-looking. Killzone: Shadow Fall and inFamous: Second Son curb stomp every exclusive on the XB1 in pretty much every single category, whilst running at a better rate of performance than even the supposed jewel in the crown - Ryse. That game only looks incredible during the parts where they slow it down and remove control from your hands. With the 50% difference between the consoles, this is only going to get more obvious once we're past the launch lineup, and I wonder how you're going to feel when your ultimate argument that is about games and launch lineups is exposed. Short-term logic leads to utter ignorance. Or maybe it's just believing the damage control an anti-consumer corporation places on facts. We already know that you'll be coasting off damage control PR from publishers who are dedicated to maintaining platform parity for their games, but if developers have the cojones to release the PS4 versions of their games as the deservedly better ones, you'll have nothing left but an inferior gaming console, with inferior games supported by an inferior company. I mean Sony is already providing exclusive content from 21 publishers, many of those for PS4, so in that regard many PS4 games will already be better for content alone. Have fun though - that is what this is all about though, right?
Faster RAM is better!!! I recently upgraded the RAM in my PC from a Data-rate of 1333 to 2133, which is about 60% faster... Originally, it took 1&1/2 minutes to load Win7, and 2 minutes to load a high-res picture in Photoshop. But now... It's absolutely awesome!!! Win7 loads in less than 4 seconds, opening something in Photoshop takes about 5 seconds, and every game that I play loads so fast that the audio can't keep up, though a bit annoying because of syncing problems due to such blistering fast RAM! So, it's undeniably conclusive that faster RAM is absolutely awesome in absurdly ludicrous proportions!
"But the most intriguing thing about the Edge piece is the suggestion by said anonymous developers that a cross-platform game might be held back from looking or performing better on PS4 so as to not anger Microsoft" are we going to see another gen being 'held back' due to microsoft's cheap console? microsoft said 'let the games speak for itself' or something along those lines... but it seems like microsoft themselves are the ones manipulating the scene.
Let the games do the talking? With what games? Kinect games? Do they even have quality 1st party devs like Sony?
@Kreat -- "are we going to see another gen being 'held back' due to microsoft's cheap console?" Absolutely!!! It'll be just like Lensoftruth.com comparisons all over again.
I wonder what the next thing will be? Yet there are still a lot of staunch defenders of this TV console.
No one is saying that the xbone won't have good games, the issue (which MS is skirting) is whether the Xbone is more powerful than the PS4. ...And by skirting the issue, they indirectly answered it.
Let the games talk for themselves. So far they're talking. Don't see what's the problem with you guys. Games on XO look great.
This is a clear admission that the Xbone is weaker than PS4. The comment which basically says let the games do the talking, is of course true, but has nothing to do with the power of each console. It never has, the Wii U is significantly weaker but can still have great games. This argument was always about power, yet some delusional people seemed to think the Xbone was more powerful than PS4, when it clearly was not, and several developers have pointed it out. PS2 was weaker than Xbox, but it had way better games. So Microsoft can still prosper with weaker hardware, it comes down to games.
They are basically saying games will look as good on xbox in which they are right because they know devs will lower games performance on ps4 to match xbone. For parity reasons.. Unlike last gen where it wasnt much of a difference though they are going to be holding back the other console.. This is why I went PC this generation. None of this crap..
Funny how everyone here say ps4 is 50% more powerful ad MS drivers also suck but then XO games actually look better so far. There is a storm coming this month. Only Top third party devs got final dev box this month with stereo gpus unlocked that's why more and more games on XO start suddenly popping in full HD and better framerates. Host and Guest stereo gpus and dpus, that's what it is. "Insider(was right all the time so far with hot chips etc): 3rd party developers have final hardware.. And the company that do have it .. Capcom. Crytek. Epic. Take 10. and Rare. Ubisoft and EA only just got them this week.. And none of these developer have gone on record and said sony ps4 is 50% more powerfull.. ..four very specialized gfx cores that can only be accessed via the metal xdriver. Full stereo only available after 25/30 to majority. 80% of developers only have low access... These cores have access to all the 8 core cpu threads if need be. But two of each cpu threads do have a specialist purpose. They also have a boost ability for a special type of graphics code. Not yet seen on pc." google the quote , you will find all the info needed and proof in older and newer posts It is why (highly possibility) that why BF4 & Ghost & Wdogs still have to presented on PC specced X1 devkit as they waiting stereo driver to be enabled, by the time it is enabled, BF4 ad other demanding games can use full power of X1 If you think a crappy 1.3Tflop system with sh!tty drivers can pull off games like ryse and forza in full hd then you are fooling yourself. That was MS plan all the way. They didn't unlock the whole machine for the public so sony will think it has an upper hand. Once ps4 is in full production and NDA is gone and there is no chance for mahcine upgrade, MS will come out with the info insiders have been saying for months. You realy believe MS paid billions of dollars for this machine just to release it with wiiU like GPU? I'm not a fan of MS, nor a fan of Sony. I'm gaming more than many of you are alive and you guys got very short memory. ps3 started with a killzone2 gameplay lie. This is no different. Let the downvotes begin.
"In the end, we’ll let the consoles and their games speak for themselves." They shouldn't have said that before Naughty Dog's and Santa Monica's next-gen announcements...
@Ballseye - inFAMOUS is better than anything on Xbone, so your point is completely invalid.
@ BallsEye: After your opinion, facts are still facts. http://www.geek.com/games/d... http://n4g.com/news/1353541... http://www.gamechup.com/war... http://n4g.com/news/1263235... http://n4g.com/news/1304933...
so, according to this latest revelation, we should be seeing multi-plats running better on the ps4 from day one!
MS talks and talks while sony acts and lets the devs do the talking and soon the games
@golding just buy a Ps4. Games Online Specs All of these are better at this point.
@golding89 haha! You know you are gonna get destroyed for that. I will +bubble you just for your bravery.
@Icicle Trepan: you are one butthurt xbot, calm down
Sony took the heat this gen, now they are giving the heat! I know it's a tough pill to swallow for some, but it's hilariously funny watching the ones finding that pill hard to swallow, flipping all over the place like fish on a boats deck. Why no one can understand that Microsoft were caught unprepared! They honestly thought that they had more time, this is being shown to everyone, if they would just look! From Day one, the policies, the restrictions, the games! All these things showed signs of not being totally thought out plans. Games have been moved cross gen to boast the lineup, something that can't really be disputed, because Microsoft has said so! Ryse was a game developed for the 360. People are leaving for no explainable reason! Sure reasons are given, but how many of the explanations hold water? The unveiling of the Xbox1 has caused chaos on so many levels, and yes I expect the disagrees, the name calling, the debubbling, the ignores, because that's what people on N4G do, but more importantly than that, it's what people in "DENIAL" do........
I agree they've been talking the talk like a great and powerful all knowing wizard. I'm no Microsoft fan but this time the response to kotaku was actually very professional. He basically stood up and said something like: Okay guys I'm not going to argue and make myself out like an arse. We think our console will preform well for the foreseeable future despite the technical specifications. Let's just let our games speak for us. IMHO: He is effectively admitting there are technical differences with the inclusion that they think Microsoft and 3rd parties can overcome them. He also thinks the differences won't have as massive effect compared to previous generations where numbers mattered more. I'm starting to think Microsoft is looking for a way to change public opinion of themselves. It's obvious they're talking a public beating by both the media and gaming community. Clearly the wizard hiding behind that curtain saying "Pay no attention to that guy behind the curtain!" is no longer working in their best interest. Here is a related link to my quote. Have fun watching it. <GRIN> Link: http://youtu.be/NZR64EF3OpA
Jokes on you just go away you sad individual.
For once, MS is being humble about their competitors.
I don't think this is about being humble at all. There is quite a difference in being humble and being a little bit off a bitch. MS is coming off like they just got dunked on.
LOL, M$ digging ther own GRAVE
Being humble, not really. He's saying they aren't going to fight the grain anymore and let their games, services and hardware speak for them. IMHO It's more or less a conceited and/or competitive way of getting in the last words before a big fight. This is about the only thing they can do to save face at this point. If they continued to try and deceive the market it'd keep slapping them in the face. Also, If they admitted to deception it'd openly tarnish their public reputation even more.
They choose less power, in favor of the Kinect,. They thought they would make up for this lack of power, through the "Clowd".
I think (and this is my opinion) PS4 will be the gamers popular and XBO will eventually dominate the casual crowd.
@tuglu_pati I don't think that will be the case, mainly because they haven't given anyone, besides HC gamers a reason to buy their system. Sony started advertising 'Greatness Awaits' soon after E3 if not right after their conference. My first Xbone commercial I saw was this weekend during the start of the NFL season. And the sad part the commercial wasn't directed towards any one type of gamer, maybe a little more to the casuals. It was a neutral commercial, that showed what we hardcore gamers have been complained about. I want this console, but will not purchase it for a long while, but MS needs to have a better direction where they want to go with the Xbone.
@tuglu Do you wanna know what is going to dominate the casual market.........Vita TV.......
Hey, at least they've dialed back all that "Cloud makes the One X-times more powerful" and "Kinect is the future" noise.
Tuglu no casual player is going to pay $500 for casual games.
They realized arguing with Sony fanboys is a no win situation. What else could they possibly say that wouldn't get ripped apart from you or Heavy.
"In the end, we’ll let the consoles and their games speak for themselves."
This pretty much should sum up everything anyone needs to know now and in the future. So far every game on Xbox One is on par or exceeded this huge extra power the PS4 claims to have.
They realized that there was no use trying to brush the truth under the rug. The cat is out of the bag and they have to #dealwithit
Interesting. So, multiple 3rd 1st and 2nd party developers are fanboys? SMH
Sorry buddy but Killzone Shadowfall looks better than anything on the Xbox 180, plus im sure youve heard about all the smoke and mirrors Forza uses to obtain its 60fps.
It's easy to rip them apart when all they do is insult the consumer's intelligence with continuous, obviously false claims. No Xbox One exclusive has "on par" tech with Killzone: Shadow Fall. Show ONE, go ahead. Killer Instinct with two characters on screen running at 720p? Nope. Ryse, a simple one or two button QTE adventure that used to be a Kinect game? Nope. Dead Rising 3, with nothing but dead AI on screen? Try again. Forza 5, lol, with purely static environment and baked lighting to boot, no weather effects, no night races. Next gen masterpiece right there! Most multiplatform games have been demoed on PS4 only. Have we even seen Battlefield 4 running on Xbox One yet?
You're one of the most annoying fanboys on this site. You shouldn't be talking.
yeah right! deep down,infamousSS,and killzone SF says hi.go do the sprinkler in front of you're eyetoy3.0,lame!
Whats with you calling everyone who criticizes MS a Sony fanboy....your just saying that as some sort of defense mechanism because you have nothing good to say. Most people who are "hating" on MS have legit reasons to. They tried to screw us over and the way they are going and what they've done to try and win us back seems like as soon as we "forgive them" they will go back to what they were like. Instead of coming up with a good argument to defend them by taking the criticism and explaining how you think it's wrong (which you couldn't do anyway) you result in calling people fanboys
MS supporters should collaborate on a Smashing Pumpkins cover: "The World Is A PS Fanboy" The world is a fanboy Sent to drain Support for MS Hold their feet to the flames And what do we get? A hundred disagree-hees And a handful Of ported 360 games
I have already defended and pointed out how it's wrong many, many times. The irony of your whole statement is what I have said earlier:
"None of you want to listen".
Instead all I get from you is "we have the right to be mad" over and over again. Have I not already stated that for MS fans that time is over, MS has rectified their mistakes and now we are focusing on the games. I have already explained it this to you.
And yet here you are again, proving my point of brining old arguments back while not listening to anything said in defense. What could MS or I say to stop you from being so mad. Have they not done enough already? They reversed every non-popular policy that gathered the hate.
And yet you're still mad because it MIGHT have happened.
"seems like as soon as we "forgive them" they will go back to what they were like."
So this is your legit argument? You claim that they MIGHT go back in the future? What's stopping Sony from doing the same thing. Since we are just speculating and pretending of things and situations that MIGHT occur. How is your argument anymore legit than mine?
How can anyone defend or debate when all you can do is bring up pretend situations of doom. Kind of hard to argue against imaginary, ever changing, "what if" situations you all seem to bring up.
@XboxFun We don't want to listen? Are you actually serious...of course we've bloody listened, we've listened, saw, read EVERYTHING Microsoft has done since the reveal....WHY DO YOU THINK WE'RE MAD. Jesus As I've said you make it seem that we are pulling this stuff out of nowhere but we aren't. Saying that we aren't listening is just you getting p***** off because what your saying is basically a summary of all the actions MS have done since the reveal. Your basically reminding us why we are are arguing/fighting/hating. Your defense in the end is "...oh well you don't listen, your...your just a Sonyfanboy" Oh I'm sorry I'm a fanboy because I'm prasing a company who is doing mostly everything right while the company I'm "hating" on is a company thats screwed us over and over again since after Kinect was released and are now trying to suck up to us because they want my sale where, may I add, that after they've suckered me into it they'll go back to what they are really like........................ok man suit your self. "So this is your legit argument? You claim that they MIGHT go back in the future" Erm....yeah, they've done it too many times. Learn from your past mistakes. What's stopping Sony for doing the same? I'm sorry but they've done nothing in recent years as bad as what MS has done now. Sony was arrogant in 2006, learned their mistake straight away and by 2008/2009 were back on the horse. They didn't dig themselfs into a hole like this " Kind of hard to argue against imaginary, ever changing, "what if" situations you all seem to bring up." Jeez, how delusional, how are they what if situations if it's happening now. MS screwing over their consumers has happened before, LOTS of times
You mean they realised that they can't hide the truth when it comes from the developers themselves. Only blind MS fanboys like you keep believing their BS. They can't even justify the cost of thing, or why GAMERS want Kinect. Look at the side by side specs. This alone will tell you.
I'm going do exactly what Microsoft says - and wait for the console and the games to speak for themselves.
Why can't you just admit the PS4 is significantly more powerful than the X1? For what ever reason, that's your prefered console, but you need to accept the cons that go with that preference. One of then is that multiplats are going to perform noticeably better on the PS4. It's seemingly obvious you can;t deal with that, so the smart thing for you to do would be to buy a PS4 instead.
So how that power of the cloud! So far nothing but fresh air. If the best is the drivatar feature then i am not all to impressed. When a company needs to use buzzwords to hype or entice their audience, that when i lose interest.
Soon you would have only one bubble to troll with. Enjoy your eXBone'd. We will enjoy at minimum the same level or yet even with greatly improved quality and professional games that Sony and the PS3 endowed on us,... not something an eXBox360 owner can relate to considering the RROD fiasco and lack of AAA support last few years and also considering the lack of AAA games the last few years. I cannot even fathom why someone will still support Microsoft after these experiences,.....I guess self punishment or idiocy comes to mind. Maybe the perceived M$ motto of " Lets starve them for games then we break new records on the repeat IP sales" holds true.