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Microsoft has responded to the report that the PS4 is 50% faster than the Xbox One

A Microsoft spokesperson has responded to Kotaku's request for comment regarding Edge's previous article on the PS4 being 50% faster than the Xbox One. (PS4, Xbox One)

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Enemy  +   348d ago | Well said
They gave up, lol.
xHeavYx  +   348d ago | Well said
They are going around in circles, like always
pedrof93  +   348d ago | Well said
"It was designed with balanced performance in mind"

What balance ? What are the weights ? Power and Speed ? Or TV and Games ?
gaelic_laoch  +   348d ago | Well said
360's, doing doughnuts, loop the loops, arse about face.......
theBAWSE  +   348d ago | Well said
Ten years ago, you could argue that a console’s power was summed up in terms of a few of its specs, but Xbox One is designed as a powerful machine to deliver the best blockbuster games today and for the next decade.

that there is a thinly veiled PR jargon admission
Godoftheweek  +   348d ago
It's Microsoft's version of "circular reasoning."

Round and round MS goes, like a broken record.

"Look kids, Parliament, Big Ben. Look kids, Parliament, Big Ben. Look kids Parliament, Big Ben. Look kids...WE KNOW DAD, Parliament, Big Ben."

All kidding aside, I do agree with them. Let the games do the talking. That is what Sony nearly always does. Maybe MS finally gets it, then again maybe not.

The 2nd and 3rd generation games will really show a huge difference IMO.
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Saigon  +   348d ago
This should have been the first statement a long time ago...grant it they did make this statement but they should have stuck with it...
JokesOnYou  +   348d ago
"Xbox One architecture is much more complex than what any single figure can convey. It was designed with balanced performance in mind, and we think the games we continue to show running on near-final hardware demonstrate that performance. In the end, we’ll let the consoles and their games speak for themselves.”

-Yep just like I said in the other article before this...let the games do the talking thats their trump card X1 games so far clearly are ahead of the competitions exclusives.

Also its funny that the only negativity comes from annonymous sources. Now lets think about that IF true but they just don't want to go on record so their relationship with micro stays friendly then why the need to say anything at all when in any case it doesnt help them since they still will be developing for both and the need to talk behind close doors only signifies they have some underlying issue with micro, who a indie dev?, who the Braid dev?, who a sony supported dev?, WHO?
BitbyDeath  +   348d ago
'let the games do the talking thats their trump card X1 games so far clearly are ahead of the competitions exclusives. '

I agree, being 50% weaker doesn't mean they won't still have great games.

Time to take the high ground everyone and let people just be happy with their purchase, no matter what it is.
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ABizzel1  +   348d ago | Well said
@JokesOnYou

Why would any developer publicly speak out against a platform they're developer at the risk of losing their job......Hence why they stay anonymous.

The PS4 is the more powerful console, but at the end of the day it all boils down to what games are on which consoles, and for that reason I'm getting a PS4, because Sony killed it with the exclusives for the PS3 this gen. M$ not so much.
The_Infected  +   348d ago | Well said
@JokesOnYou

"Yep just like I said in the other article before this...let the games do the talking"

I'm so tired of hearing this in defense on Xbox One. Since this is the case Killzone: Shadow Fall shits on anything Xbox One has shown so far. Infamous: Second Son also looks far better already than anything I've seen coming to Xbox One. Also Driveclub it may or may not hit 60fps but I'll put it this way Forza 5 cars and physics are great but that's about all it's got going for it Driveclub on the other hand is doing far more than Forza 5 is. IMO everything I've seen on PS4 looks better than Xbox One.
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darthv72  +   348d ago
@abizz they arent going to lose their job if they are singing the praise of a platform they are developing for.

the criticism of the xb1 by these anonymous devs does not appear to be a sign they are in development of an xb1 title.

Because an interview was given it could be the 'pass-it-on' effect. meaning that it starts with one and then gets passed along to the next and to the next and each time it gets slightly changed (the phrasing) until it appears to be something said by many when it could have been said by the same person.

50% difference in 'power' should translate into something like comparing the genesis version of street fighter to the super nintendo version. both were created specifically for each platform but there is a noticeable difference in the finished product.

We just arent seeing that right now. Key words...'right now'. Will we see it? that depends on how vested a 3rd party developer is in making their game to cater to each platform.

Will we see it in exclusives? That is inconclusive because what is exclusive to one has no chance of being released on another. I would say that if given the opportunity, naught Dog could have pulled off uncharted visuals on the 360 but that wont happen.

Naughty dog will pull off better than uncharted visuals on the ps4 just as 343 will pull off better than halo 4 visuals on the xb1.

Lets just leave it at that.
BitbyDeath  +   348d ago
@Darthv72, wait til launch, the differences are already showing.

"ATVI was doing the CoD: Ghosts port to nextgen. It took three weeks for PS4 and came out at 90 FPS unoptimized, and four months on Xbone and came out at 15 FPS."
morganfell  +   348d ago | Well said
Their previous attempt to use specs - Penello's embarrassing outing at Neogaf which was further compounded by the Ars Technica ripping - failed miserably now they are doing a 180...that's familiar...and scrambling in vain to move away from specs. This is their only window of opportunity because the longer the consoles are on the market the more prevalent and visible the performance gap will become.
Pain  +   348d ago
@jokesOnYou

"-Yep just like I said in the other article before this...let the games do the talking thats their trump card X1 games so far clearly are ahead of the competitions exclusives. "

Delusion is a serious medical condition, You should seek a doctor and get therapi.
Ritsujun  +   348d ago
Microsofie - RAGE MODE ON since the Xbone180 reveal. POOR conSOUL.
RedDevils  +   348d ago
Jokeonyou no wonder your name is joke on you hehe...
nypifisel  +   348d ago
People really have to stop with the delusional argument "Let's wait and see". There's no reason for this approach, this is x86 architecture, we KNOW how these machines preform. This in mind MS response is baffling to say the least, there are no "secret architecture which brings speed boosts"for the first time these are regular old PCs, we all know how those works and there are no claiming a secret sauce - Face it, the PS4 won this hardware race!
DigitalRaptor  +   348d ago
@ JokesOnYou

The delusion is infinite with you. The games already look better on PS4 and there's already a far larger and more diverse lineup on PS4 than on XB1.

DriveClub has been steadily improving visually since they first showed gameplay, and the change has been drastic. It has more dynamic systems than Forza 5, which is why it is currently running at half the frame rate. The latest video shows just how insanely beautiful it looks, whilst maintaining a realistic look, whereas Forza is more cartoony-looking.

Killzone: Shadow Fall and inFamous: Second Son curb stomp every exclusive on the XB1 in pretty much every single category, whilst running at a better rate of performance than even the supposed jewel in the crown - Ryse. That game only looks incredible during the parts where they slow it down and remove control from your hands.

With the 50% difference between the consoles, this is only going to get more obvious once we're past the launch lineup, and I wonder how you're going to feel when your ultimate argument that is about games and launch lineups is exposed. Short-term logic leads to utter ignorance. Or maybe it's just believing the damage control an anti-consumer corporation places on facts.

We already know that you'll be coasting off damage control PR from publishers who are dedicated to maintaining platform parity for their games, but if developers have the cojones to release the PS4 versions of their games as the deservedly better ones, you'll have nothing left but an inferior gaming console, with inferior games supported by an inferior company. I mean Sony is already providing exclusive content from 21 publishers, many of those for PS4, so in that regard many PS4 games will already be better for content alone. Have fun though - that is what this is all about though, right?
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ChrisW  +   348d ago
Faster RAM is better!!!

I recently upgraded the RAM in my PC from a Data-rate of 1333 to 2133, which is about 60% faster...

Originally, it took 1&1/2 minutes to load Win7, and 2 minutes to load a high-res picture in Photoshop. But now... It's absolutely awesome!!! Win7 loads in less than 4 seconds, opening something in Photoshop takes about 5 seconds, and every game that I play loads so fast that the audio can't keep up, though a bit annoying because of syncing problems due to such blistering fast RAM!

So, it's undeniably conclusive that faster RAM is absolutely awesome in absurdly ludicrous proportions!
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kreate  +   348d ago
"But the most intriguing thing about the Edge piece is the suggestion by said anonymous developers that a cross-platform game might be held back from looking or performing better on PS4 so as to not anger Microsoft"

are we going to see another gen being 'held back' due to microsoft's cheap console?

microsoft said 'let the games speak for itself' or something along those lines... but it seems like microsoft themselves are the ones manipulating the scene.
ThanatosDMC  +   348d ago
Let the games do the talking?

With what games? Kinect games? Do they even have quality 1st party devs like Sony?
ChrisW  +   347d ago
@Kreat -- "are we going to see another gen being 'held back' due to microsoft's cheap console?"

Absolutely!!! It'll be just like Lensoftruth.com comparisons all over again.
TheSaint  +   347d ago
I wonder what the next thing will be? Yet there are still a lot of staunch defenders of this TV console.
pixelsword  +   347d ago
No one is saying that the xbone won't have good games, the issue (which MS is skirting) is whether the Xbone is more powerful than the PS4.

...And by skirting the issue, they indirectly answered it.
BallsEye  +   347d ago
Let the games talk for themselves. So far they're talking. Don't see what's the problem with you guys. Games on XO look great.
gaffyh  +   347d ago
This is a clear admission that the Xbone is weaker than PS4. The comment which basically says let the games do the talking, is of course true, but has nothing to do with the power of each console. It never has, the Wii U is significantly weaker but can still have great games. This argument was always about power, yet some delusional people seemed to think the Xbone was more powerful than PS4, when it clearly was not, and several developers have pointed it out.

PS2 was weaker than Xbox, but it had way better games. So Microsoft can still prosper with weaker hardware, it comes down to games.
Gamer1982  +   347d ago
They are basically saying games will look as good on xbox in which they are right because they know devs will lower games performance on ps4 to match xbone. For parity reasons..

Unlike last gen where it wasnt much of a difference though they are going to be holding back the other console..

This is why I went PC this generation. None of this crap..
BallsEye  +   347d ago
Funny how everyone here say ps4 is 50% more powerful ad MS drivers also suck but then XO games actually look better so far. There is a storm coming this month. Only Top third party devs got final dev box this month with stereo gpus unlocked that's why more and more games on XO start suddenly popping in full HD and better framerates. Host and Guest stereo gpus and dpus, that's what it is.

"Insider(was right all the time so far with hot chips etc): 3rd party developers have final hardware.. And the company that do have it .. Capcom. Crytek. Epic. Take 10. and Rare. Ubisoft and EA only just got them this week.. And none of these developer have gone on record and said sony ps4 is 50% more powerfull..

..four very specialized gfx cores that can only be accessed via the metal xdriver. Full stereo only available after 25/30 to majority. 80% of developers only have low access...

These cores have access to all the 8 core cpu threads if need be. But two of each cpu threads do have a specialist purpose. They also have a boost ability for a special type of graphics code. Not yet seen on pc."

google the quote , you will find all the info needed and proof in older and newer posts

It is why (highly possibility) that why BF4 & Ghost & Wdogs still have to presented on PC specced X1 devkit as they waiting stereo driver to be enabled, by the time it is enabled, BF4 ad other demanding games can use full power of X1

If you think a crappy 1.3Tflop system with sh!tty drivers can pull off games like ryse and forza in full hd then you are fooling yourself. That was MS plan all the way. They didn't unlock the whole machine for the public so sony will think it has an upper hand. Once ps4 is in full production and NDA is gone and there is no chance for mahcine upgrade, MS will come out with the info insiders have been saying for months. You realy believe MS paid billions of dollars for this machine just to release it with wiiU like GPU?

I'm not a fan of MS, nor a fan of Sony. I'm gaming more than many of you are alive and you guys got very short memory. ps3 started with a killzone2 gameplay lie. This is no different. Let the downvotes begin.
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inveni0  +   347d ago
"In the end, we’ll let the consoles and their games speak for themselves."

They shouldn't have said that before Naughty Dog's and Santa Monica's next-gen announcements...
gaffyh  +   347d ago
@Ballseye - inFAMOUS is better than anything on Xbone, so your point is completely invalid.
tokugawa  +   347d ago
so, according to this latest revelation, we should be seeing multi-plats running better on the ps4 from day one!
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black0o  +   348d ago | Well said
MS talks and talks while sony acts and lets the devs do the talking and soon the games
IcicleTrepan   348d ago | Trolling | show
golding89   348d ago | Offensive
pedrof93  +   348d ago | Well said
@golding just buy a Ps4.

Games
Online
Specs

All of these are better at this point.
tuglu_pati  +   348d ago
@golding89

haha! You know you are gonna get destroyed for that.

I will +bubble you just for your bravery.
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cell989  +   348d ago
@Icicle Trepan: you are one butthurt xbot, calm down
stuna1  +   348d ago
Sony took the heat this gen, now they are giving the heat! I know it's a tough pill to swallow for some, but it's hilariously funny watching the ones finding that pill hard to swallow, flipping all over the place like fish on a boats deck.

Why no one can understand that Microsoft were caught unprepared! They honestly thought that they had more time, this is being shown to everyone, if they would just look! From Day one, the policies, the restrictions, the games! All these things showed signs of not being totally thought out plans.

Games have been moved cross gen to boast the lineup, something that can't really be disputed, because Microsoft has said so! Ryse was a game developed for the 360.

People are leaving for no explainable reason! Sure reasons are given, but how many of the explanations hold water? The unveiling of the Xbox1 has caused chaos on so many levels, and yes I expect the disagrees, the name calling, the debubbling, the ignores, because that's what people on N4G do, but more importantly than that, it's what people in "DENIAL" do........
Sarick  +   348d ago
I agree they've been talking the talk like a great and powerful all knowing wizard. I'm no Microsoft fan but this time the response to kotaku was actually very professional.

He basically stood up and said something like:

Okay guys I'm not going to argue and make myself out like an arse. We think our console will preform well for the foreseeable future despite the technical specifications. Let's just let our games speak for us.

IMHO: He is effectively admitting there are technical differences with the inclusion that they think Microsoft and 3rd parties can overcome them. He also thinks the differences won't have as massive effect compared to previous generations where numbers mattered more.

I'm starting to think Microsoft is looking for a way to change public opinion of themselves. It's obvious they're talking a public beating by both the media and gaming community.

Clearly the wizard hiding behind that curtain saying "Pay no attention to that guy behind the curtain!" is no longer working in their best interest.

Here is a related link to my quote. Have fun watching it. <GRIN>

Link:
http://youtu.be/NZR64EF3OpA
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Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II  +   348d ago
Jokes on you just go away you sad individual.
dasbeer88  +   348d ago
For once, MS is being humble about their competitors.
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thejigisup  +   348d ago
I don't think this is about being humble at all. There is quite a difference in being humble and being a little bit off a bitch. MS is coming off like they just got dunked on.
DJMarty  +   348d ago
LOL, M$ digging ther own GRAVE
Sarick  +   348d ago
Being humble, not really. He's saying they aren't going to fight the grain anymore and let their games, services and hardware speak for them. IMHO It's more or less a conceited and/or competitive way of getting in the last words before a big fight.

This is about the only thing they can do to save face at this point. If they continued to try and deceive the market it'd keep slapping them in the face. Also, If they admitted to deception it'd openly tarnish their public reputation even more.
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sAVAge_bEaST  +   348d ago | Well said
They choose less power, in favor of the Kinect,. They thought they would make up for this lack of power, through the "Clowd".
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tuglu_pati  +   348d ago
I think (and this is my opinion) PS4 will be the gamers popular and XBO will eventually dominate the casual crowd.
Saigon  +   348d ago
@tuglu_pati

I don't think that will be the case, mainly because they haven't given anyone, besides HC gamers a reason to buy their system. Sony started advertising 'Greatness Awaits' soon after E3 if not right after their conference. My first Xbone commercial I saw was this weekend during the start of the NFL season. And the sad part the commercial wasn't directed towards any one type of gamer, maybe a little more to the casuals. It was a neutral commercial, that showed what we hardcore gamers have been complained about. I want this console, but will not purchase it for a long while, but MS needs to have a better direction where they want to go with the Xbone.
u got owned  +   348d ago
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SniperControl  +   348d ago
@tuglu

Do you wanna know what is going to dominate the casual market.........Vita TV.......
ShwankyShpanky  +   348d ago
Hey, at least they've dialed back all that "Cloud makes the One X-times more powerful" and "Kinect is the future" noise.
LetoAtreides82  +   347d ago
Tuglu no casual player is going to pay $500 for casual games.
XboxFun  +   348d ago
They realized arguing with Sony fanboys is a no win situation. What else could they possibly say that wouldn't get ripped apart from you or Heavy.

"In the end, we’ll let the consoles and their games speak for themselves."

This pretty much should sum up everything anyone needs to know now and in the future. So far every game on Xbox One is on par or exceeded this huge extra power the PS4 claims to have.
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DoesUs  +   348d ago
Dat lighting.
KonsoruMasuta  +   348d ago | Funny
They realized that there was no use trying to brush the truth under the rug. The cat is out of the bag and they have to #dealwithit
Godoftheweek  +   348d ago
Interesting. So, multiple 3rd 1st and 2nd party developers are fanboys?

SMH
rydamgw  +   348d ago
Sorry buddy but Killzone Shadowfall looks better than anything on the Xbox 180, plus im sure youve heard about all the smoke and mirrors Forza uses to obtain its 60fps.
Enemy  +   348d ago | Well said
It's easy to rip them apart when all they do is insult the consumer's intelligence with continuous, obviously false claims.

No Xbox One exclusive has "on par" tech with Killzone: Shadow Fall.

Show ONE, go ahead.

Killer Instinct with two characters on screen running at 720p? Nope.

Ryse, a simple one or two button QTE adventure that used to be a Kinect game? Nope.

Dead Rising 3, with nothing but dead AI on screen? Try again.

Forza 5, lol, with purely static environment and baked lighting to boot, no weather effects, no night races. Next gen masterpiece right there!

Most multiplatform games have been demoed on PS4 only. Have we even seen Battlefield 4 running on Xbox One yet?
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nooneknows  +   348d ago
You're one of the most annoying fanboys on this site. You shouldn't be talking.
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DEEBO  +   348d ago
yeah right! deep down,infamousSS,and killzone SF says hi.go do the sprinkler in front of you're eyetoy3.0,lame!
-Foxtrot  +   348d ago
Whats with you calling everyone who criticizes MS a Sony fanboy....your just saying that as some sort of defense mechanism because you have nothing good to say.

Most people who are "hating" on MS have legit reasons to. They tried to screw us over and the way they are going and what they've done to try and win us back seems like as soon as we "forgive them" they will go back to what they were like.

Instead of coming up with a good argument to defend them by taking the criticism and explaining how you think it's wrong (which you couldn't do anyway) you result in calling people fanboys
ShwankyShpanky  +   348d ago
MS supporters should collaborate on a Smashing Pumpkins cover: "The World Is A PS Fanboy"

The world is a fanboy
Sent to drain
Support for MS
Hold their feet to the flames
And what do we get?
A hundred disagree-hees
And a handful
Of ported 360 games
XboxFun  +   348d ago
@Foxtrot

I have already defended and pointed out how it's wrong many, many times. The irony of your whole statement is what I have said earlier:

"None of you want to listen".

Instead all I get from you is "we have the right to be mad" over and over again. Have I not already stated that for MS fans that time is over, MS has rectified their mistakes and now we are focusing on the games. I have already explained it this to you.

And yet here you are again, proving my point of brining old arguments back while not listening to anything said in defense. What could MS or I say to stop you from being so mad. Have they not done enough already? They reversed every non-popular policy that gathered the hate.

And yet you're still mad because it MIGHT have happened.

"seems like as soon as we "forgive them" they will go back to what they were like."

So this is your legit argument? You claim that they MIGHT go back in the future? What's stopping Sony from doing the same thing. Since we are just speculating and pretending of things and situations that MIGHT occur. How is your argument anymore legit than mine?

How can anyone defend or debate when all you can do is bring up pretend situations of doom. Kind of hard to argue against imaginary, ever changing, "what if" situations you all seem to bring up.
-Foxtrot  +   348d ago
@XboxFun

We don't want to listen? Are you actually serious...of course we've bloody listened, we've listened, saw, read EVERYTHING Microsoft has done since the reveal....WHY DO YOU THINK WE'RE MAD. Jesus

As I've said you make it seem that we are pulling this stuff out of nowhere but we aren't. Saying that we aren't listening is just you getting p***** off because what your saying is basically a summary of all the actions MS have done since the reveal. Your basically reminding us why we are are arguing/fighting/hating. Your defense in the end is "...oh well you don't listen, your...your just a Sonyfanboy"

Oh I'm sorry I'm a fanboy because I'm prasing a company who is doing mostly everything right while the company I'm "hating" on is a company thats screwed us over and over again since after Kinect was released and are now trying to suck up to us because they want my sale where, may I add, that after they've suckered me into it they'll go back to what they are really like........................ok man suit your self.

"So this is your legit argument? You claim that they MIGHT go back in the future"

Erm....yeah, they've done it too many times. Learn from your past mistakes.

What's stopping Sony for doing the same? I'm sorry but they've done nothing in recent years as bad as what MS has done now. Sony was arrogant in 2006, learned their mistake straight away and by 2008/2009 were back on the horse. They didn't dig themselfs into a hole like this

" Kind of hard to argue against imaginary, ever changing, "what if" situations you all seem to bring up."

Jeez, how delusional, how are they what if situations if it's happening now. MS screwing over their consumers has happened before, LOTS of times
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NeloAnjelo  +   348d ago
You mean they realised that they can't hide the truth when it comes from the developers themselves. Only blind MS fanboys like you keep believing their BS.

They can't even justify the cost of thing, or why GAMERS want Kinect.

Look at the side by side specs. This alone will tell you.
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BattleTorn  +   348d ago
I'm going do exactly what Microsoft says - and wait for the console and the games to speak for themselves.
jessupj  +   347d ago
Why can't you just admit the PS4 is significantly more powerful than the X1?

For what ever reason, that's your prefered console, but you need to accept the cons that go with that preference.

One of then is that multiplats are going to perform noticeably better on the PS4.

It's seemingly obvious you can;t deal with that, so the smart thing for you to do would be to buy a PS4 instead.
grimmweisse  +   347d ago
So how that power of the cloud! So far nothing but fresh air. If the best is the drivatar feature then i am not all to impressed.

When a company needs to use buzzwords to hype or entice their audience, that when i lose interest.
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5eriously  +   347d ago
Soon you would have only one bubble to troll with. Enjoy your eXBone'd. We will enjoy at minimum the same level or yet even with greatly improved quality and professional games that Sony and the PS3 endowed on us,... not something an eXBox360 owner can relate to considering the RROD fiasco and lack of AAA support last few years and also considering the lack of AAA games the last few years. I cannot even fathom why someone will still support Microsoft after these experiences,.....I guess self punishment or idiocy comes to mind. Maybe the perceived M$ motto of " Lets starve them for games then we break new records on the repeat IP sales" holds true.
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Destrania  +   347d ago
@Enemy

You should add me on PSN. Well said btw, you are always on point in your responses to all the mindless Xbots out there.
NextGen24Gamer  +   348d ago
“Ten years ago, you could argue that a console’s power was summed up in terms of a few of its specs, but Xbox One is designed as a powerful machine to deliver the best blockbuster games today and for the next decade.

Xbox One architecture is much more complex than what any single figure can convey. It was designed with balanced performance in mind, and we think the games we continue to show running on near-final hardware demonstrate that performance. In the end, we’ll let the consoles and their games speak for themselves.”

Well said by Microsoft. Let the fanboys fight over GFLOPS & Ram selection. They will never understand how all the customizations effect how the games will look & perform on the xbox one. The games will speak as they already have in the pre alpha stages garnering award after award.

November can't come fast enough!
theBAWSE  +   348d ago
Don't know why you remind me of a member of the band still playing music while everyone around them is running jumping ship trying to grab float a dingy anything to get off the sinking titanic
Kayant  +   348d ago
"Well said by Microsoft. Let the fanboys fight over GFLOPS & Ram selection."

Oh so 3 GPU's doesn't matter now. So waiting for the magical NDA to be lifted is not necessary now I guess. Nice one looool. How quickly you change.
ShwankyShpanky  +   348d ago
TLDR: "secret sauce & wizards"
stuna1  +   348d ago
But they're making that argument against a competitor that knows hardware! I'm not disputing the fact that Microsoft doesn't have some talented people working on the Xbox1, but we're talking about a company that exudes technical achievement in the hardware department! That is why I'm so astonished by people who trip over their tongues at the mention of Kinects 2.0!

If people only took the time to research some of Sonys higher priced cameras they would see facial recognition technology in them, panoramic motion tracking and yes even infrared tracking for low light exposure.

The Kinects technology was bought by Microsoft, where they've made improvements!
Sonys motion technology was developed in-house
ziggurcat  +   347d ago
so.... now specs don't matter anymore? when just yesterday you were spamming the comment threads about specs?
INehalemEXI  +   348d ago
lmao @ Enemy
alb1899  +   348d ago
In days it will be clear.
awi5951  +   348d ago
I find it funny that they dont even try to use the esram it must be a low budget studio or something. If you dont have the talent to even use the Esram why are you a expert? Why are these guys talking? Are the programmers over there just stupid??
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DJ  +   348d ago
ES-Ram makes the whole process difficult because a fast 32MB module is supposed to make up for a slow 8GB memory pool. Yeah you can use it, but only in small chunks, and mostly for just rendering purposes.
kenshiro100  +   348d ago
Sony just rendered them speechless, lol.
thrust  +   348d ago
Not really mate in a fanboys point of view yeah maybe!

Also, I do not have multiple accounts (not that sad but if it makes you feel better ok)

Good luck
Bathyj  +   348d ago
Sony have played this PR game brilliantly. Not getting drawn into juvenile tit for tat, they've let the devs do all their chest beating for them.

MS have done everything they can to fit you for a padded bra.
thrust  +   348d ago
I agree mate, on the gamers side of things sony has really came out on top.

MS really messed up with the DRM stuff on consoles, it works on PCs that's about it.

But we gamers are a very small minority, look at the wii if you get family's interested.(kids love kinect and mums and dads love having/seeing there kids have fun).
solar  +   348d ago
I can't wait til the Sony Extremists finally get slapped in the face that the two consoles are nearly identical in performance. All the 50% more powerful hype is bullshit.
jessupj  +   347d ago
I can't wait til the MS extremists get slapped in the face when PS4 multiplats perform noticeably better.

If you want to get an zbone, fine. You just need to accept that;s going to come with inferior multiplats. If you can't deal with that then get a PS4.

I swear the MS fanboys lately have been like rabid dogs since all the bad xbone news.
starchild  +   347d ago
Haha, Solar is a PC gamer. He probably has a PC that will make games on the PS4 look more inferior than the PS4 will to the Xbox One.

No, what's happened is that EVERYONE that isn't a Sony fanboy is sick of Sony fanboys and their horrible arrogance and trolling. As if it's not ok to game on anything else.

I'm getting a PS4 to go along with my PC and I know for a fact that it is more powerful than the Xbox One, but that power difference isn't as dramatic as some people make it out to be and I really don't care anyway because I am going to be playing all multiplatform games on my PC.
awi5951  +   347d ago
@starchild

Yeah the console guys are measuring their junk and neither one of them is the biggest. Just got my new cpu upgrade today for BF4 can wait to test out my new build on BF4.
solar  +   347d ago
ha!

hey star, how ya doing mate?

i get automatically called a MS fanboy for that comment. keep getting your jolly's off riding that hype bus jessupj. like a prepubescent getting a boner on a bumpy road. when that bus crashes and burns, ill be laughing my ass off.
awi5951  +   347d ago
Just played metro last light on max on my pc all AMD build with new CPU metro is maxed at 50 fps at 1080P and that game kicks your card butt so im happy right now lets see what BF4 can do to it. Ill sell my card if it crushes it but i doubt it.
black0o  +   347d ago
we all do own PCs .. this is about ps4 vs xbone

and for the record more then 80% of pc gamers do game on mid-setting almost like ps360 #fact stream database and the sells number for the high end gpu

so drop the act as if u own a 2000+ $
awi5951  +   346d ago
@black0o

A midrange card will beat the ps4 easy and then if you add two mid range cards for 100 dollars less than the cost of the ps4 its no contest at all. You can max all pc games easy at 60+ fps at 1080P with a computer that costs less than the xbox one. I have never paid more than 600 on a PC build and i got that money from selling my old parts so i didnt loose any money at all.
Killjoy3000  +   348d ago
"One source even suggested that enforcing parity across consoles could become a political issue between platform holders, developers and publishers. They said that it could damage perceptions of a cross platform title, not to mention Xbox One, if the PS4 version shipped with an obviously superior resolution and framerate; better to “castrate” the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers."

- There goes Xbox holding back a console generation again.
jeffgoldwin  +   347d ago
Now you know the feeling PC gamers have for underpowered budget consoles. Group hug?
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nunley33  +   348d ago
sony just keeps on doing donuts in MS's lawn and they can't seem to stop them from doing it.
nunley33  +   348d ago
double post so i'll say this was predictable but it's still funny seeing ms flail around like this.
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UltraNova  +   347d ago
They dont need to give up because 95% of the games are multiplat and if anyone here believes that MS will allow a single developer to make a game run better on the PS4 you are seriously diluted. As they demonstrated this generation the most powerful console doesnt always win. And they can do it again all they need to do is win In the US which they will no doubt.

And this is coming from a Sony fan.
starchild  +   347d ago
I don't believe that for a moment. I am willing to bet that we will see superior graphics and/or performance on PS4 games.
Madderz  +   347d ago
Diluted?

You mean deluded right?

:D
UltraNova  +   343d ago
starchild: I get what your thinking trust me but why do you believe that Devs will put in the extra effort to polish one version more than the other risking fan and platform holder uproar?

Madderz: Thanks for the typo headsup!I am trying...You see English is my 3rd language :)
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BallsEye  +   347d ago
your comment makes no sense. How did they give up exactly?
Cam977  +   347d ago
SSDD
AndrewLB  +   347d ago
I guess none of you remember the endless parade of fanboys claiming how the PS3 was so much more powerful than 360, and how Microsoft would have to compete against Nintendo for x number of reasons, etc. We all know how those claims turned out.

http://n4g.com/news/11339/n...
http://n4g.com/news/6672/fi...
Blaze929  +   347d ago
So it's about 50% faster...so can someone tell me why sony fanboys have been shouting 50% STRONGER all this time?

I knew that simply wasn't the case. Honestly, any gamer should have realized that. Really, FIFTY percent STRONGER?

That would be a night and day difference people, use your damn brains.

So ok, even if it is 50% faster what does any of that mean for gaming? More specifically multi-platform gaming?

"better to “castrate” the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers."

^ It means, NOTHING. Like i've been saying all this time. Honestly, if the difference was that vast, why have we not seen one PS4 game that outshines an Xbox 1 title in every department? EVERY? But Driveclub has yet to nail 1080p 60FPS for a RACING game? A simple ass racing game?

It should be EASILY visible with 50% "power" difference...or its just faster eh? lol i guess we will let the games speak for themselves.
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black0o  +   347d ago
let me make it simple for u:
when someone says my car is faster then yours that automatically means that he's car has more horsepower then your and better gear box ...etc

same thing is here speed is a result of power of gpu+ram deference between the 2
nosferatuzodd  +   347d ago
but but but the power of the cloud will help us beat sony lol
iamnsuperman  +   348d ago
"Ten years ago, you could argue that a console’s power was summed up in terms of a few of its specs, but Xbox One is designed as a powerful machine to deliver the best blockbuster games today and for the next decade.

Xbox One architecture is much more complex than what any single figure can convey. It was designed with balanced performance in mind, and we think the games we continue to show running on near-final hardware demonstrate that performance. In the end, we’ll let the consoles and their games speak for themselves"

Well that was rich in detail /s

To be far what more can they say.
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BattleTorn  +   348d ago
To be completely honest, they could've said 'the claims of vast performance gaps are false'

Not saying that is kinda showing that they know they can't.
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KonsoruMasuta  +   348d ago
But then they would be saying a false statement themselves.
BattleTorn  +   348d ago
@konsoru

That's assume the 50% gap is true. I don't think it's quite 50. (or 30 even)

It's not a false statement to say 'the gap's not 50%' if the gaps 45%, or 30%.

I would've thought they'd be able to say - without lying - that the Xbox One is not 50% weaker than PS4. Looks as though they can't. :(
tuglu_pati  +   348d ago
There's nothing else to say, on paper the PS4 is more powerful they cant argue that. Their games are looking good though. So i guess will have to wait and see.

My guess is if you are a graphic whore and don't have the money for a high end PC, PS4 is for you if you want a console with great graphics (not the best) which gives you other features than gaming go with XBO.
LetoAtreides82  +   347d ago
No one has seen any games running on Xbox One hardware, all the gameplay you've seen have been from nerfed PCs hiding inside cabinets.
Prcko  +   348d ago
funny stuff
NYC_Gamer  +   348d ago
MS shouldn't have been on forums trying to argue over specs in the first place..
King-Prodigy-X  +   348d ago
LOL!!!!!
gaelic_laoch  +   348d ago
Exactly they should have designed a console with better specs that would not be subjected to such vitriol in the first place!
SilentGuard  +   348d ago
They couldn't. Kinect to MS was much, much more important and making a powerful console was secondary. "Xbox On" took precedance over designing a powerful and easy to develop for console with games first. After all, XBOne is plenty powerful for apps and tv.
MasterCornholio  +   348d ago
You mean Panello right?

That douche got severely owned in Neogaf and he just gave up. Even a mod got on his case about it.
thejigisup  +   348d ago
Great idea jumping to the forums but it kinda backfired. They should've taken this approach a month or two ago.
1OddWorld  +   348d ago
Can you link him getting owned. I need a good laugh.
Infamous298  +   348d ago
HAHA poor penello.
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pedrof93  +   348d ago
"In the end, we’ll let the consoles and their games speak for themselves."

This is the best answer they came up with, I don't mean to be rude, but, these guys must forget that they are competing against Sony.

By the way Penello said something that the software would balance things with the Ps4 hardware. And I just found out that Xbox One drivers are late in development ?
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BG11579  +   348d ago
It's the truth for both consoles, the Xbone and PS4's drivers are not developped yet...
So at this point they are on equal footing.
BG11579  +   347d ago
Shesh, I was saying equal footing to be compared, not equal footing in computing power... -_-'
The PS4 has the advantage at this point.
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Whitefire  +   348d ago
Why even release that statement if they were going to let the games do the talking the whole time. It's obvious that they are trying to damage control. Also you didn't hear them refute the claims or say that the Xbox is stronger, because they know they cannot. Most of the reply was PR bs anyways,
Mikelarry  +   348d ago
was it not too long ago that one of ms staff came out and said it wasn't about specs now most of the post i see on n4g are about ms and specs. personally i think they should just let their games do the talking as they seem so desperate to prove something and desperation is not a good sign
GribbleGrunger  +   348d ago
Near final hardware? At first I thought this was old news but having followed the source it is indeed to do with the recent EDGE article. In which case, how can it be 'near final hardware' if they've already started to ship the console? They posted pictures up to prove it didn't they? Here it is:

http://i.imgur.com/6fWfX5Z....
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DoesUs  +   348d ago
Probably drivers/OS etc etc
sAVAge_bEaST  +   348d ago
Weird that they would say Hardware,. when all they could do is a driver update at this point in time.
The hard ware was finalized months ago, you can't go back and change hardware after FCC clearance. Software a.k.a drivers, is the only way to change things now.
but in terms of most Powerful Hardware,. Ps4 has that title.
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pyramidshead  +   348d ago
oh boy lol. Adding those 17 dGPUs I think.
Godoftheweek  +   348d ago
Developer tools. The SDK's developer tools are continually upgraded throughout a console's lifespan. That is what they mean.
Kayant  +   348d ago
Ofc they're waiting to reveal to two extra dGPUs to make the Xbox one a 4 TF+ Machine making it stronger than a GTX 780 but managing to be a lot cheaper /s....

"Near final hardware" right that's complete BS. So they expect us to believe that they're not producing consoles already to meet demand for launch day and the holiday season. Well this confirms everything. They really shouldn't have commented on anything.

Hardware is final. Like people have stated only thing left is software (OS, drivers,firmware, SDK, etc).

Also being more complex doesn't mean it's better.
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viveks86  +   348d ago
I think you are taking this out of context. Here is the actual quote:

"games we continue to show running on near-final hardware"

They are referring to the debug units/dev kits that are being used to show the games to the public. These obviously are not the final retail units, hence "near-final".

Having said that, MS is making itself increasingly vulnerable by commenting on performance comparisons, when they are clearly at a disadvantage. First was the debacle on NeoGAF, started by Penello, and now this.
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Kayant  +   348d ago
Even so the only change they are probably referring to is the upclocks to the GPU and CPU. I don't see how that will make a significant difference to upset this news but it will probably help in making games run more stable. Both have the same base hardware. After-all they have reassured us that games at gamescom where running on retail units *cough* debug units/dev kits but now they are suddenly only "near-final" hardware. Come on.

But yh you're right it was not a good idea for them to start doing that.
viveks86  +   348d ago
@Kayant

Agreed. I don't think the upclock has anything to do with reaching performance parity. It's strange that they would even do something like that so close to release. Sounded like a PR stunt to placate fears of yield issues, more than anything else.
DoesUs  +   348d ago
"Translation: after getting continuously skewered for months for spewing copious amounts of bullshit to defend our console, we'll finally shut our months before we do any more damage to our brand."

Thankyou GAF. NAILED!

See you all in November.
DirtyPimp  +   348d ago
bin god damn go...

bingo
yewles1  +   348d ago
EASY Sully, you're not ready for your PS4 debut yet... XD
gaelic_laoch  +   348d ago
The xBONE has become a Frankenconsole for M$ to Troll itself with! Car Crash Stuff really
AllroundGamer  +   348d ago
"In the end, we’ll let the consoles and their games speak for themselves.” - but you will probably need to learn the RROD language to understand their console...
SpiralTear  +   348d ago
Well, they did end up RESPONDING, as opposed to REFUTING.
DirtyPimp  +   348d ago
they know ps4 utterly stomps the competition in a embarrassing pulp, but they dont want to face the facts.
MasterCornholio  +   348d ago
" In the end, we’ll let the consoles and their games speak for themselves."

Which means that they dont know the answer themselves which is normal. But i have to agree with them.

Let the games prove the power of the systems.
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cell989  +   348d ago
lol someone said Microsoft would respond by the end of the day, and so they have

they know they have the weaker console, so a modest response is a given
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Agent1  +   348d ago
To be honest with you.. Can anybody here off the top of their head tell me what hardware was inside NES? Or the first Genesis? Probably not because it didn't matter back then. I have no clue when in time it became important to "geek out" on hardware in order to enjoy the purpose of the console, and that is to play games. It's all about the games. With a great game that you can attach yourself too, the console becomes great to you no matter what is inside. Upvote me now Please, I deserve it! :)
805Junior805  +   348d ago
It didn't matter back than due to people caring around the games more than the specs. Now, it's all about the specs. Every upgrade from a phone, computer, ipad, console, boasts the specs. It sells the product and it sets it apart from the previece model. Sony doesnt have to defend themseleves over anything, they have the stronger console, MS is trying to bullshit their way out of the dilemma that they have the weaker console. They can't give the PS4 any more leeway than it already has over the Xbone.
Roper316  +   348d ago
it was always talked about but the internet wasn't around back then or in some cases the net was just becoming available on a large scale.

NES was a big deal with it's 8 bit graphics compared to the Atari 2600 with it's 2 bit graphics.

Then Sega released the Master system which was also 8 bit so Nintendo one upped them with the SNES and it's 16 bit graphics so Sega came back with the Genesis and tried to beat them with the CD addon and the 32X addon but both failed. Then it was the N64, Saturn & PS and so on and so on.

These things were covered in gaming magazines, ads / tv commercials. So while not everyone kept up with it because gaming wasn't as popular back then and there was no wide spread debate over the net because there was no net at the time it was going on. I know I was around back then and have always followed and been apart of these types of discussions with my friends.
monkey nuts  +   348d ago
I'm pretty positive the snes launched months if not close to a year after the mega drive, at least in the uk. I can remember waiting for it to release while borrowing a mates mega drive occasionally for my 16 bit fix.
karl  +   348d ago
well ..back then it was all first party my friend
soo every console had an identity .

now with third party devs dominating u need to pay attention to the specs since u want the best looking game.. the rest will be the same on both platforms

now First party is still very important... but sadly only SONY gets this.. and soo they offer way more games than xbox one.

soo no ... i dissagree with u.
thejigisup  +   348d ago
Way to go microsft you have finally given me what i needed to know to make my decision on my next console. I now have complete and utter faith in what you have presented me this far on your near final hardware
Edit... do i really need /s here?
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boogie305  +   348d ago
It seems like everyone is excited to bash the console that they won't even purchase. What may I ask is the point? Im getting both because of the differences they offer. Shouldn't that be enough? Oh wait I forgot. Bash a company all you want cause it wont change the fact that they will still be around and make money. Somehow fanboys think they are justified in choosing aside like we all are enemies or something. Its sad really.
Yo Mama  +   348d ago
Get both. That's your prerogative. However, I hope you don't waste your money like the pro hd-dvd add on supporters did.
boogie305  +   348d ago
It wont be a waste considering I enjoy and am looking forward to What Microsoft and Sony have to offer. I like to keep an open mind and tend to ignore doom and gloom reports on power differences and such.
karl  +   348d ago
it isnt sad...
overtime it has become sort of like a sport
like football .. everyone has choosen a team..
and now we want the blood of the opposite team xDD

humans tend to choose sides

its quite exciting actually ... like a match that last for years of competition.

and its become quite fun to follow aswell.

u way not get it but there is nothing wrong with feeling passion for something u like..

and ppl tend to get violent went that happens..

behind a keyboard ussually just immature and offensive though
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BlazingEd209  +   347d ago
Love your comment, I too will eventually get a PS4 and will own both but don't see the rush to start the next gen with a Sony with their linup of games. Love my Xbox 360 and just finished Last of us a few weeks ago, great game but the 360 could handle it.
ALARM-clock  +   348d ago
Weren't they going to get a system architect to come out and make a detailed statement about the specs? I guess that was a bad idea to begin with...
yellowgerbil  +   348d ago
"designed with balance and performance in mind"
nope was designed with control in mind. DRM was more important to them than graphics. Kinect was more important to them than gameplay.
DoesUs  +   348d ago
A perfect opportunity for the "technical fellow" to appear, but alas.
tuglu_pati  +   348d ago
I don't think this "technical fellow" exist. That was one of Panello's tricks to get out of the hole he got into.
4logpc  +   348d ago
Seriously, just give it a rest already.
NateCole  +   348d ago
Exactly. The reason this gets brought up is because they keep on bringing it up which everyone is tired of.
Niv  +   348d ago
You need balance to stand but power to walk!
pyramidshead  +   348d ago
These articles are never going to solve much really, which company in their right mind would fully admit their machine is weaker? Nil.
NateCole  +   348d ago
Well unfortunately for MS they dont have Sony devs so there will more better games on PS4.
HugoDrax  +   347d ago
Well unfortunately for Sony they don't have Microsoft money so there will be more better games on XB1.

See what I did there? Just switched company names around, and included money. It's all opinionated comments. It doesn't mean, nor change anything. Gamers or so called gamers on N4G are hilarious. People keep saying specs matter, and the more powerful (whatever that means) console is the best console. Wasn't the first Xbox more powerful than the PS2? That didn't change the fact it had the most success, and provided more options with various gaming genres. Then the PS3 was more powerful than the XB360 and Wii. No need to discuss that comparison, as everyone knows Nintendo outsold both PS3/XB360. Anyhow many members on N4G call themselves gamers, but all I notice in the comment section are comments from fanboys. This sites name should be changed to N4F.
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MultiConsoleGamer  +   348d ago
Agenda piece. Sourceless claims.

Meanwhile nothing on either system looks next gen. And one company has a well established reputation for blatantly lying about the power of their hardware.

People will say I'm defending the Xbox One, but I'm not. I'm sick of the obvious marketing driven agenda that drives this site and many of the sites in the gaming industry. Every day I visit N4G I wonder why I still come here.
Yo Mama  +   348d ago
Waaaa waaaaaa...
MultiConsoleGamer  +   348d ago
Now there's the intelligent reply one would expect from the average N4G user.
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ExDexteraDomini  +   348d ago
Microsoft keeps on talking about their console as if it has some secret component which makes it at least as powerful as the PS4, especially when they say, "Wait and see" over and over again. Like the Examiner article recently posted, it's time MS let go of the power argument and instead begin talking about console exclusive features and games.

I'm getting the One, because it's the one I like. Simple as that. If I was looking for a more powerful console, I'd have pre-ordered the PS4.

Nonetheless, wouldn't it be baffling if the games on the One were noticeably better? I would be baffled, because even though I may be purchasing the One, and I may be a big MS fan, I'm not blind. Evidence suggests the PS4 is quicker, so that's what I'll continue to believe.
jmc8888  +   348d ago
Yeah that's not a great response. If they are going to respond, how about respond with some facts?

Let's see how much I can blow a hole through their arguments.

"designed as a powerful machine to deliver the best blockbuster games today and for the next decade."

Except the best blockbuster games will be played on other consoles and PC's, and especially PC's starting a few years from now. Thus all this is PR spin by MS.

"It was designed with balanced performance in mind, and we think the games we continue to show running on near-final hardware demonstrate that performance."

Balanced performance? You either have the power to play a game a certain way or you don't. Is this the rationale behind going with inferior parts. That they thus added the great Kinect and focus on TV and other things? Most gamers buy consoles to game, and thus performance and the console's BOM should be balanced accordingly. You can't say the console has 'balanced performance' because you decided to add alot of crap gamers didn't want and thus inferior specs become 'balanced performance' along with the other parts of the system.

So your football team's owner isn't cheap, he's just 'balanced financially'. Literally this is what they are attempting here. They are saying it's great to be balanced because the stuff most people don't want make up for the cheaper gaming parts.

I agree they should let their games talk, but where are they?
Yo Mama  +   348d ago
"I agree they should let their games talk, but where are they?"

Jesus, give them time. They're porting future 360 titles as fast as they can!!
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SilentGuard  +   348d ago
Don't forget the Kinect shovelware in the works. Since 3rd party developers won't be using (making anything a console exclusive) it, MS studios will be forced to develop for it...just like past 3 years.
Trago1337  +   348d ago
Who cares? Console specs are irrelevant now.
viveks86  +   348d ago
I think a lot of people do. These are expensive machines and any informed consumer would make choices based on which system would give more bang for the buck. If you were to buy a television and there are articles out there that tell you one television has better power consumption and crisper image, would you not be interested in at least reading the comparison, if not deciding based on it?
jjb1981  +   348d ago
Breaking News! Tha powa of da cloud has turned the tables!
CJDUNCAN  +   348d ago
MS gauged it's audience entirely wrong, sure it's cool watching NETFLIX etc. on the 360 but they lost focus that their machine should be focused on gaming. I'm not sure how the tech specifics goes exactly into what, all I care about is the games at the end of the day. That's why I'm going with the Xbox One, also considering my brother is getting the PS4.

It's cool to spew specs out there but I firmly believe that most people are just quoting the numbers to boast about how beastly the PS4 is. I'm willing to bet most gamers don't care.
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The Castle Game Coming to Wii U Feb 2015

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