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Submitted by NYC_Gamer 468d ago | opinion piece

I’d Be Skeptical of Reports About the PlayStation 4 Being ’50% Faster’ than Xbox One

Techland:There’s an Edge story picking up steam about the PlayStation 4 being “around 50% faster” than the Xbox One. There’s no question about it if you ask Edge — the author of the piece doesn’t even bother to use the word “allegedly.” (PS4, Xbox One)

mewhy32  +   468d ago | Well said
Hey this is what devs around the world are saying. They would know better than anyone if the power difference is true. It's true.
xHeavYx  +   468d ago
I guess all the questions will be answered once both consoles are in the market, but it doesn't matter that studios are not created equally,facts are still facts
black0o  +   468d ago | Well said
M$ talked about the deference between xbone and ps4 over and over while sony lets the devs do the talking

so who do we believe? MS or SONY
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Eonjay  +   468d ago
I wouldn't be skeptical at all. Numbers don't lie. Either way, the PS4 is clearly the stronger box.
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Enemy  +   468d ago
I'm trying to understand how shutting our eyes to the truth will make us more informed. Being skeptical about water being wet won't make the water less wet.

http://n4g.com/news/1353541...

http://www.gamechup.com/war...

http://n4g.com/news/1263235...

http://n4g.com/news/1304933...

@ golding89 below: How are you getting internet in a cave?
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theBAWSE  +   468d ago
article states not all dev teams are created equal as a backup to their point..

which is very true but then I think hold on Sony have arguably the best gaming studio in naughty dog.. Then the most creative in media molecule then the genius that is David cage..
golding89  +   468d ago
"devs around the world are saying"? Where around the world? Who? What devs?

Really?

It's logics like this one that makes people doubt this 50% stuff..
darthv72  +   468d ago
@mewhy... devs dont know power, they know skill.

some devs are better skilled than others and they can translate their skill into a representation of power by way of their product.

i have seen things done on lesser hardware that should not have even been possible but because of really good skills.....they made it happen.
redwin  +   468d ago
I wonder if you are gonna be so passionate about your ps4 after both console come out. Have you ever played Xbox ? Any of them ? You can't deny the great innovations that Microsoft has brought to the consoles. @xheavyx
slimeybrainboy  +   468d ago
50%? Come on guys. If there is a 50% difference we would clearly see it, even at this stage yes. 30% is even unlikely.

Forza is probably the best looking launch title (I Know it doesnt have dynamic wheather etc.) but still Forza does not look anywhere near 50% less and its at 60fps.

Devs arent even saying that there is a 50% difference. that was one source that said the GPU was 50% more powerful. I think you guys are getting carried away with yourselves. I dislike MS as much as the next guy, but everything is going to be pretty similar, nowhere near 50%.
JokesOnYou  +   468d ago
"That, and this “report” compiles quotes from anonymous development sources — that alone should give anyone pause. Indies? Major studios? First-timers?"

-Exactly, the fact they won't say who at this stage of the game is ridiculous, also it all sounds questionable when they go the fanboy way and say 1 version will be gimped/castrated because devs shipped pc versions all last gen that were superior, at times 360 version shipped a bit better, and when the original xbox shipped most games better than the competition, no one flinched, ps2 owners didnt care, I think FF ps3 version this gen was one of the games that shipped noticeably alot better on ps3, so why cant they ship a better ps4 version? BS on edge part.
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xHeavYx  +   468d ago
@Redwin
" You can't deny the great innovations that Microsoft has brought to the consoles."

What!? Innovations? You mean the first Kinect that didn't work? Or the new one that is supposed to work perfectly, even though the videos for the Fighter Within are still laggy?
Or do you mean the innovation Box One that lets you watch TV using your TV?
Or their innovative first party studios that haven't come up with a new Hardcore IP for the last 4 years?
starchild  +   468d ago
So my PC with an HD 7950 is over 55% more powerful than the PS4? Good to know.

I guess we don't need to know anything else aside from the amount of compute units in the GPU (28 in my HD 7950 vs 18 in the PS4 and 12 in the Xbox One).
Other hardware and software considerations don't matter it seems.
mistertwoturbo  +   468d ago
I really don't get why people are still acting confused.

On paper it's flat out clear.

Forza Dev says "It's like comparing a 400hp M3 or a 500hp Mustang."

No, it's comparing a "400hp M3 with a 600hp M3" since they use the same AMD architecture on the CPU and GPU. The GPU is faster on the PS4 and the memory widens that gap even further.

It's the silliest argument I've ever seen.
Saigon  +   468d ago
You know with all of the talks about MS and direct X saying it will reduce the gap, I didn't realize that the PS4 also supports the app...

http://i.imgur.com/GQ60CyZ....
dmeador  +   468d ago
I see the misguided comments which are pro-Sony just keep coming in.

@xHeavYx
If you cant see the new things that MS brought to the table with the xbox brand you are blind.

The PS4s "50% power advantage" (doubt it) will not equate to games that are 50% better. I'd hang my hat on that. For an example someone else pointed out that might sink in for you are the games that have already been shown. The best looking game on the PS4 (seems to be KZ) is nowhere near 50% better looking then the top X1 games, not even close. I'll give you 10%, and thats very debatable. They will get better you say? So will the X1's

Lets give Naughty Dog 4-5 years and see what turns up, then you can talk. But you know what the key point is? 4-5 years. Who cares
BallsEye  +   468d ago
@mistertwoturbo

This is where you are wrong. PS4 and XO don't have same architecture. It's completely different. PS4 went safe this time and made it straighforward, like a pC. XO is more custom build this time around. Their GPU was custom built TOGETHER with AMD (it's a dual driver gpu spread across the SoC, that's why there is no real specs, coz there is more than one GPU unit) and they've paid billions for it. Go research more about XO architecture, it is a beast/ If you think games like Ryse could be pulled of on this 1.3Tflop you are silly. Trust me, there is more to it than basic paper specs. Let the games do the speaking.
jimsas  +   467d ago
i guess its not a surprise to find You here defending the PS4 xHeavYx ...
You seem to pop up in every and any X1 Vs PS4 article slating the X1.

You can't make Your own candle brighter by putting out other peoples mate...
Relientk77  +   468d ago
Can't wait to get my hands on the PS4, and experience the true power
ATi_Elite  +   468d ago
Devs are just talking Doo Doo! The PS4 may have a power and speed edge but what Gamers need to ask is:

How will this translate into Bigger and better Games and then ask for video of said games running in REAL TIME that show the difference in Power and speed vs. the XB1?

Other than that I'm sick of the HYPE! It's beyond stupid.

Show me the FRIGGIN PROOF by showing me the GAMES!!

This goes for Sony and MS! I'm sick of Specs and Cheap insults. Where are the Games cause I'm NOT impressed with either consoles Launch line-up.

Titanfall and Knack both look cool with SLIGHTLY new gameplay but after that NOTHING mind blowing even though XB1/PS4 can Cure Cancer and Teraform Mars.
MazzingerZ  +   468d ago
Yes, if multiplatforms look the same what's the point of all that power? 1st party will be awesome but we want to eat the whole cake!
nukeitall  +   468d ago
Ryse is proof!

So is Forza 5 running at 1080p in 60fps, whereas the competition Driveclub runs at 30fps.
Omegasyde  +   468d ago
Actually Folding@home (discontinued) was a genome project to help find ways to cure deceases.

Since PS3 has this program (stopped in 2012), Folding@home helped the researchers develop a new strategy to fight Alzheimer's.

Reference:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1...

So techinally, Sony didn't cure cancer but the PS3 was able to help with other deceases. Now teraforming Mars, thats Google's responsbility.
Kayant  +   468d ago
@nukeitall

And what is the competitor during that Forza 5 is not.

Well it has dynamic lighting/shadows that affect almost all objects.
It has a day/night cycle and weather effects.
It also has richer and bigger environments.

And then you might ask why are these things important? Well because Forza 5 is supposed to be a next-gen sim racer whereas DC is more of an arcade yet it's providing a more realistic experience than Forza 5 is supposed to. iirc the sun doesn't shine all day long everywhere. GT5 and 6 do all of this and more at 1080p 60fps so it's not impossible. Fair enough they weren't launch games.

This just shows you that Forza 5 is targeting performance over features whereas DC is doing the opposite.

Look at how the light reflects on the road here --> http://communityteam.softwa...

and also how the dash reflects on the left window ---> http://communityteam.softwa...
kayoss  +   468d ago
Dont have to look into the future for that. You can look at current gen to see this.
PS3 first party exclusives >>>>> Xbox 360 first party excluisves

What make you think the next gen will be any different? Sony still have their first party studios and xbox 360 still have their first party studio. Understand this, game quality is only limited by the hardware they are built on.
Clover904  +   468d ago
Haha, poor XBone. Another 10% slower and XBone would be competing with WiiU instead of PS4 :D
ZHZ90  +   468d ago
Someone must payed for that guy to make this blog about he doesn't beleieve it's 50.
This defintely what DEVELOPERS say 50%.

PS4TW!

EDIT: The problem with Xbots they won't accept ever that PS4 is better than Xbone never and ever until they see it in front of there own eyes after like 2-3 years(Know that at begining of next gen you may not notice the difference but later after 2-3 years the difference will be big really big)

Then after they see it some of them(at least) will regret that they bought Xbone and trusted MS instead of buying PS4 and end it at the begining.

Now we know 1st party developers and companys making exclusives(from 3rd Party and/or Indie) for Sony will take full adventege of this while multiplat games will look better on PS4.
They will accept this until they see it and some(at least) will regret.
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ZHZ90  +   468d ago
Seeing Xbots right here in this thread they are still in deniel

THIS IS NOT PS3 VS X360!
THIS IS PS4 VS XBONE!

Sure PS3 yes that PS3 had better specs but still looked equally or inferior to X360 in terms of multiplats(not all but alot multiplats) but that was because PS3 was hard to code for while X360 was easy to code.
This time is different this time PS4 has better specs and easy to code than Xbone.

Don't be in deniel or you will regret it.
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marcelliuss1  +   468d ago
@ZHZ90...lol why do you Sony fans keep believing this garbage? Now I'm not saying the X1 will be better than the PS4, but I think it will be just as good especially the overall experience.

"Someone must payed for that guy to make this blog about he doesn't believe it's 50.
This definitely what DEVELOPERS say 50%"....So which developers (that actually matters) are saying the PS4 is 50% more powerful? Can you name one and post the link? (and don't give me that EX-DEVELOPER from People Can Fly) No you can't because all of these bullsh** articles won't give us the name of the source or developers they got this from.

P.S. Who post a comment to their own comment..lol
ZHZ90  +   467d ago
@marecelliuss11,
I commented on myown comment was because I couldn't edit it anymore now for the rest

No I won't bother to bring you links, you go Google it on Google because even if I bought you links you will still be in deniel and yes you already know who they are. You want someone who makes games for both to say why? Because if someone who makes games for both like Konami or EA will anoy MS if he said that PS4 is more powerful than Xbone.

As for the garbage, the garbage thing is you, Xbox fanboys, in deniel.

Btw I am not a Sony fan and I am not loyal to brand, I am just fan and loyal to games and right now Sony did things better and right.
Enjoy your cloud.
marcelliuss1  +   467d ago
@ZHZ90....Wow just Wow...lol "No I won't bother to bring you links, you go Google it on Google because even if I bought you links you will still be in deniel and yes you already know who they are."

The reason you won't bother to provide a link is because you can't find one to backup what you're saying because if one existed (trust me) you would've posted it. Then you try to point the finger at me and call me a fanboy when its clear you're the fanboy. Everyone of your post in this thread so far has fanboy written all over it. Now I understand you want to stand on the sidelines and root for your favorite company (Sony), but do you really have to fall in line with everyone else and spread possible lies instead of thinking for yourself?

Unlike you I'm am not a fanboy. I wish Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony much success in the new gen. I bought my Wii-U back in November and planning on getting the X1 first this holiday, and the PS4 in June for my birthday because I cant afford both right now. So I'm not going to choose sides like you and miss out on all of the great games that are coming in the near future.

P.S. I will enjoy my cloud from Microsoft and Sony thank you very much.
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ZHZ90  +   467d ago
No I can bring the links but I am not going to waste my energy for it because you'll still be in deniel and we already saw that btw.

Also seems that you are wealthy to own both consoles 900$/Euros + Games + Taxes.

Anyways no I am not favoring Sony nor PS, I am favoring gaming.
1OddWorld  +   468d ago
"Here’s something you can take to the bank: not all development studios are created equal, nor are they equally proficient with new hardware."

Does he think we are all retarded. He is not even addressing the issue. You cant blame this hardware gap on bad developers its a hardware issue. The post about the gap states in so many words that bad developers can do more on PS4 because of the hardware gap and ease of development. Which means that good developers can do more on PS4 due to the hardware gap and ease of development.

Numbers don't lie. Specs are black and white because you can do the math to see which has the advantage, and when it comes to good developers their will be a noticeable difference when the gap is this big. If the gap was smaller this would be a non issue, but its not. If it were only half that at 25% that is still huge when you are trying to compete.
whoyouwit04  +   468d ago
Give a link where a well known dev that actually have both kits have said that.
1OddWorld  +   468d ago
A well known developer wont say it, because they have to break bread with both corporations. They are all avoiding the topic like the plague. But, you already knew that and that's why you are asking for the impossible before you will believe whats right in front of you.

The time to triangle n u brain can be fixed contact - Mark Cerny.
BallsEye  +   468d ago
We're yet to see any game that shows that 50% more power..even 1%...it's not there so far so let's wait and let the games speak for themselves. You can say what you want buy so far XO titles look more impressive hands down.
B-radical  +   468d ago
The thing is with that edge story is the devs were an unnamed source
NYC_Gamer  +   468d ago
I don't know why some folks can't accept that PS4 will be the most powerful console on the market based on raw specs
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xHeavYx  +   468d ago
Well, denial is the first stage of Grief, then Anger (ask Negative, Xbox Fun and others) followed by Bargain (this gif http://i.minus.com/ilERlIua... Depresion (you've seen it a lot of it here too). One day they will reach the last stage, Acceptance (after Nov 15th)
XboxFun  +   468d ago
Anger, denial and grief? You're the only one at the top of almost every Xbox article DEMANDING someone explain Xbox's vision or something else equally retarded. Then getting upset when they do.

This and dropping names behind people's back sounds like full on anger, despair and grief rolled up into one fanboy troll burrito with extra hate sauce.

All this raw power the PS4 has...where is it?? Is it in the touchpad?
Where is this huge difference in games because as of right now nobody see's it when comparing the games.
And the launch line up for the Xbox One is looking just as good (if not better IMO) than the PS4.

But I'm very sure when the side by side graphics articles start rolling in we'll get you and the circle of hope studying every pixel and dark gray shade color.

Good luck.
hardcorehippiez  +   468d ago
doubt they'll ever accept it. they didn't with the ps3 360 even though 1st party devs on sony side proved it many times . they just made excuses like the game is linear , not enough colour blah blah blah. i say stop trying to convince them and let them buy an xbone. they deserve it for there ignorance .
xHeavYx  +   468d ago
@Xbox fun
I think you are between Anger, Bargain and Depresion, with a pinch of non sense
Omegasyde  +   468d ago
Never judge a system by its Launch games. Judge it by its exclusives. Hence, why Uncharted 2/3 and Last of US (even God of War 3) has yet to be beat graphically on CONSOLES.

Sure Knack looks like a "family" game but then look at Infamous Second son and Killzone SF.
kayoss  +   468d ago
@xboxfun
Yes xheavyx and most PS4 "fanboys" talk hell crap about the xbox One but guess what?? they have a legitimate reasons. I talk tons of crap about the xbox One, including about power, size, look, features, etc. However all my criticism are base on facts that is presented to me. i just dont pull stuff out thin air or the "CLOUD" and have nothing to back it up.
starchild  +   468d ago
Yes, you Sony fans do talk a lot of crap. I agree.

So can I talk about how much better the PC is as long as I am using facts? When PC gamers do that you guys get all butthurt and say they're trolling.

Why do you guys think it is ok for you to troll all day nonstop?

Edit @ below:

Look everybody, a clueless fanboy bringing up things completely irrelevant to the topic!

I don't care about your stupid argument about building a gaming PC for $400. It's an illogical argument to begin with.

The PC does a huge number of things a console can't do. And the money you save gaming on PC over the years due to cheaper games and not having to pay to game online more than offsets any initial cost disparity.

In the end though, the question is, which is superior? Not which is cheaper? If I wanted the cheapest game system I would buy a Wii U or a 3DS or Ouya.

Sometimes you pay more to get something better.
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xHeavYx  +   468d ago
@Starchild
Look everybody, a PC guy.
Come back when you can build a PC for $400 and still be able to play AAA games in 7 years without updating your precious PC
LOGICWINS  +   468d ago
Clearly its the most powerful on paper. But for most gamers, the games do the talking(not specs or blind loyalty). And the games aren't out yet.
NYC_Gamer  +   468d ago
100% agree,software is the reason why gamers buy these machines in the first place..
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DirtyPimp  +   468d ago
that's like saying

''were in a tallest man competition, clearly one is taller but that dont matter! let the competition begin first.''
LOGICWINS  +   468d ago
@DirtyPimp- One console being more powerful doesn't automatically make that console the "better" choice for every single living being on the planet.

People have preferences irrespective of power.

If your a diehard Nintendo fan and you've only bought Nintendo consoles for the past ten years and your favorite gaming franchise is Zelda...the PS4 isn't the console for you.

If your a diehard Xbox fan and you've only bought Xbox consoles for the past ten years and favorite gaming franchise is Halo....the PS4 isn't the console for you.

Your "tallest man" analogy doesn't work because that would be a TANGIBLE comparison based on an objective measurement system.

However, which console is "the best" (lol) is SUBJECTIVE because different people look for different things in consoles.
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Omegasyde  +   468d ago
@logic.

True, but based off past exclusives between PS3 and 360, it seems history is going to repeat itself.
LOGICWINS  +   468d ago
^^Totally agree. History will repeat itself. Some will prefer the exclusives on Xbox and others will prefer the exclusives on Playstation. Same way its been for over a decade.
starchild  +   468d ago
Well said, LOGICWINS. I wish more people were as fair-minded and rational as you generally are.

Why does it kill so may Sony fans that some people prefer to game on a PC or a Wii or an Xbox?

I like gaming on PC for lots of reason (that I won't get into right now), but my favorite upcoming console is the PS4 by far.

I just can't stand the herd mentality and the hate that is directed at anybody that doesn't toe the fanboy line. Why can't people have other preferences? Why do we have to all walk it lockstep and think the same and like the same things?
ATi_Elite  +   468d ago
I don't accept it cause so far the PS4 has done NOTHING mind blowing and neither has the XB1.

We went through this same CRAP last Gen.

PS3 was the most powerful Console EVER and what happened?

the best games were all Multiplats with equal looking graphics.

So much Hype on Specs and yet most games on 360/ps3 looked the same or had MINOR differences.

I expect the same thing this Gen!

Sorry I don't spend $$$$$$ on raw Specs I spend money on PROOF! Devs, Executives telling me this and that don't mean CRAP.

I wanna see PROOF, Show me the games that utilize all this RAW Power (PS4) or Special CPU functions (XB1)!

I think some Gamers are getting caught up in fanboy system hype instead of "Where are the Next Gen games"!
Izzy408  +   468d ago
Hear, hear.
LOGICWINS  +   468d ago
Well said. As far as I can see, GTA5 looks immensely more promising than anything I've seen from the PS4/XB1. When that changes, I'll buy a new console.

As for now, I'll keep enjoying my PS Plus backlog and hopefully buy a Vita sometime later this year.

Even now, the most promising PS4 exclusive is Infamous: Second Sun and even THAT doesn't look outrageously different from past titles. The better visuals, supposedly better controls(likely an exaggeration by Sucker Punch as I've never noticed any lack of accuracy with my PS3 controller), and animations are expected.

Even with all that, I'm willing to bet that you STILL won't be able to enter most of the indoor environments and the crowd technology won't even be up to par with Hitman: Absolution.

And Titanfall seems like something that could have been done on a 360.

Not saying these games look bad, they look great. But I still haven't seen a reason to King Leonidas kick my PS3 out of the window and put a PS4/XB1 in its place.
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jmc8888  +   468d ago
It wasn't minor.

If you mean in terms of pure graphics it was close to minor differences.

But usually along with that you have 5-20 FPS hit in performance.

Together you had games which looked a smidgen worse, and ran quite a bit worse.

I fully expect that gap to be multiplied a couple of times. Maybe I'm wrong, but I do think PS4 will be able to handle higher resolutions, higher frame rate, and look a bit better.

The xbox 360 had some games at 60FPS that the PS3 only had at 30 FPS. I think we're going to see that this gen too, probably more often, and probably including that the PS4 has a better resolution as well. Like 1080p vs 900.

I do wholly agree with being shown proof. Both could do a bit more in PROVING it, but we're also in a stage where proof is harder since neither console is out.

Again though PS3 had better specs, but harder to code for.

360 had worse specs, but was easier to code for, and was the lead platform for the game.

This generation the ease AND power goes to PS4, while the unease and lesser power goes to Xbox One.

So if it ends up that the PS4 is the lead platform, has the most power, and easiest to code for, we should see proof of what that should lead to, but unfortunately not yet.

At this point we're stuck with guessing from all sides, but there are indications based on ancillary facts, like the power of one chipset versus another.

Either way, we'll start learning the truth no matter what from any side say in a couple of months. Wow only 2 months and 2 days until PS4 releases.
Hicken  +   468d ago
As if you hadn't lost all credibility long ago, you went into negative territory by saying the best looking games this gen were multiplat.

Sorry, they were not.

The best looking games in any genre were all PS3 exclusives. End of story.

Calm your happy ass down. You keep talking about "the same thing" that occurred last gen(still THIS gen, until November), but you forget how the best looking games didn't come out until later in the generation.

And of all people, you're the last one that can talk about getting caught up in fanboy hype.
GamerXD  +   468d ago
360<PS3
PS4<XBO

Dude PS3's cell was hard to develop for compared to 360's. Now both have x86 systems. Means both will be easy to code for and devs will be able to push the power of both consoles. 1 more thing, If you don't wanna spend $$$$ for power, Get an Ouya or 2DS.
Freedomland  +   468d ago
They are not giving people a chance to forget this issue. They keep on talking about that that X1 is not weaker than Ps4 so that even after 10 years, we won't forget this and X1 fanboys will be haunted psychologically by this the entire coming gen that they have a weaker console.
Do you understand what i have written above, maybe not,
so avoid this complication and buy Ps4 and play and enjoy games without any complex.
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GamerXD  +   468d ago
Forget about it. Xbots are delusional and there's no cure for such ill.
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mediate-this  +   468d ago
@1odd how is it right in front of him? The systems are not out. We are going by p.r spin. Im not saying xbone is more powerful, frsnkly i dont. Care, im niying both day one. But to say a ignorant statement like that is ridiculous.

Wait till they are out, then you can have your cake
iamnsuperman  +   468d ago
"Here’s something you can take to the bank: not all development studios are created equal, nor are they equally proficient with new hardware. That, and this “report” compiles quotes from anonymous development sources — that alone should give anyone pause. Indies? Major studios? First-timers?"

Does this point have any legs. Developers are developers. It doesn't matter if a developer is a first time developer. They are first to both the PS4 and One platforms.

I agree about the anonymous quotes (I hate anonymous sources) but do not disregard first time developers or indie developers in their observations. A develop is a developer (good or crap). If they are finding X faster than the other then that is something (regardless of status)
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Omegasyde  +   468d ago
It's like when a person buys a new sports car. The first thing they do is "test" it out and see how fast the baby can go.

In this case developers have 2 new toys, and what to push the consoles by benchmarking them.

They might be staying anonymous because thier team is working on a multiplatform title.
mediate-this  +   468d ago
Well indie developers are not pushing any graphic intense game. Best bet is to believe a trip a dev who is working on both. No relationships needs to be saved because devs always talk about system flaws, ie: valve
Tooly  +   468d ago
this gettin annoyinq now
GamerXD  +   468d ago
So does your spelling.
Mikelarry  +   468d ago
i personally don't care that the ps4 is more powerful (i have pre-ordered and paid for my ps4) the two major reasons i chose to get the ps4 was game variety and the price all the other bells and whistles are just welcomed extras
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DirtyPimp  +   468d ago
this reminds me of this.

Creationist: gravity isn't real, its all powered by gods cloudz!

Scientist: gravity is made from the law of physics.

Creationist: but look how amazingz it lookz! physics aint real!

Scientist: smfh
EXVirtual  +   468d ago
I don't know why these guys just can't except it. And seeing as they were saying specs don't matter along with Penello a while ago, I don't know why it's so hard for the guys to just except. Dudes like MisterX just damage control.
As I've said before, the difference won't be amazingly visible at the beginning, but these guys are in for a sudden and rude awakening in 2-3 years.
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DirtyPimp  +   468d ago
denile, completely unrelenting utter goddamn denile.
Pintheshadows  +   468d ago
I wouldn't normally do this but it is 'denial'.

Denile is what a Rastafarian calls the River Nile.
Silly gameAr  +   468d ago
Wish the consoles were here already so these articles could stop.
MasterCornholio  +   468d ago
Its going to be one hell of a ride before they get here.

Dont worry theres only 2 months and a half of this stuff to go.

And then we will have tons of fun comparing multiplatform games on sites like Eurogamer and Lens of Truth non stop.

YAY
Izzy408  +   468d ago
This article makes a lot of sense to anyone who isn't a fanboy of any kind. This article makes a great point by stating we don't know who these "devs" that claim 50% more power for the PS4.

You dont need to interrogate devs in order to see which console is the most powerful; all you simply have to do is look at the games. And based on what I have seen thus far, this 50% more power is bunch of BS from the PS.

I'll know how many fanboys I aggravated by the number of disagrees I get.
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Natso  +   468d ago
The problem is, you haven't really even SEEN anything yet.

I'm not a fanboy and I disagreed with you because you'd rather base expectations on your own imagination over developer input.
Izzy408  +   468d ago
No, my opinion is based on what the games look like. And from what we've seen thus far, X1 game look just as good, if not better than the PS4 games.
mediate-this  +   468d ago
You realize made zero sense. Your saying you would listen to everything without even thinking twice, not a challenge at all? You accept everything at face value?

The problem is we dont know who the devs are, they could be some indie dev for all we know. Indie devs dont push graphic intense games. People need to think open minded, how can you really hate a piece of plastic that bad.
MasterCornholio  +   468d ago
That just proves that GDDR5 game is a lot better for gaming than DDR3 ram.

This information comes from AMD themselves who are the manufactures of the PS4 and XBOX One GPU. This just proves that the problem with latency isnt as bad as DDR3s narrow bandwidth.

BTW thanks for posting the charts.
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tigertom53  +   468d ago
so 20 percent or less seems that would be true from the charts and account for the other advances the made to the system.
Pintheshadows  +   468d ago
I love the way that you are getting disagrees for posting that directly from AMD's website. It amuses me and saddens me.
jmc8888  +   468d ago
People should always be skeptical. An in light of neither console being out it is all just a guess.

But when the technology and the developers making games are making similar comments, it's one I would tend to believe is closer to the truth.

Based on specs, if they have any grasp of them, it would lead one to think this.

Based on developers making games, that is what we are seeing roughly. 30-40-50 percent.

But beyond that you have the power advantage AND the overall ease of developement.

You'll get that full potential rather easily, whereas you really need to work through the ESRAM in order to max out the Xbox One's potential. So overall as a guess, one can validly say they expect more games to on average take more advantage of the power of the PS4.

I think the ESRAM is going to make many games on the Xbox One leave MORE of whatever power the Xbox One has, on the table.

Whereas the PS4 and it's games are going to leave far less on the table. Whatever it can do, it can much more easily be made to do.

So while if in a vacuum one game version might take advantage of that 50 percent difference, the Xbox One might cede another 10-20 percent because the ESRAM wasn't properly coded whether developer inability, laziness, timeline, or money to do so.
NateCole  +   468d ago
People are putting too much stock in power. As a PS fan it does not matter more than talent that Sony has.

Frankly i am getting sick of xbox fans bringing this up. On paper and what devs have said sofar is that PS4 has more raw power. Lets just leave it at that and lets all shutup about it.

It will not mean that PS4 games will be 50% better as this will depend entirely on talent. Talent is more important.
Natso  +   468d ago
Talent is more important, but what happens when that talent is limited by the hardware?

Loose parallel here, but could developers of the early 90's have made games even CLOSE to the quality that has been provided in today's games?
ion53  +   468d ago
Talent limeted by hardware hugh? I present to you: Naughty Dog! (PS I know ND us PS only)
NoLongerHereCBA  +   468d ago
As long as we don't know what the official specs are, the 50% difference could be total bs or true. Just wait and be patient instead of choosing sides just because you think one is more powerful.

Some people are waiting for the 'NDA' to expire and hope/think that MS will come out much stronger. What's the harm in them hoping for that and discussing the possibilities? I personally love reading misterXmedia's website. Is it true? I have no clue (I hope some is), I just like rumors and what people can think of.

Why should some people have the right to say; 'our console is 50% more powerful' when specs aren't even clear yet, but others are not able to say that it isn't so.

Just let people decide what they want/want to believe without talking 'badly' about them.
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MasterCornholio  +   468d ago
"Some people are waiting for the 'NDA' to expire and hope/think that MS will come out much stronger."

With a 5 teraflop GPU with 6GBs of GDDR5 embedded in it?

If thats what you mean then it wont happen.

"Microsoft Xbox One Could Possibly Feature a Powerful Discrete GPU"

Read more: http://wccftech.com/rumormi...
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NoLongerHereCBA  +   468d ago
Haha no not with 5TF/6GBs of GDDR5 :) But I won't say with absolute certainty that nothing is being hidden that could make the system more powerful. We still don't know everything about both consoles.

Nobody is to say that the same could not happen with the PS4 :)

I just enjoy reading stuff like this :)
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ruefrak  +   468d ago
Look, you can put a dog in a box and call it a cat all day long, but it's still just a dog in a box.
Pintheshadows  +   468d ago
Actually now it is a Lemur.

I stole your dog.
n4rc  +   468d ago
"Computing performance, like human intelligence, is a slippery, subjective metric that can mean different things to different people (developers or otherwise). If you’re going to talk about it meaningfully, you need to be as scientific as possible. And if you’re not — if you’re just going to pass along anonymous claims from a non-representative sample of developers (that is, the ones you could persuade to talk) — you need to tread lightly, not open with a declarative implying “around 50%” is settled science."

EXACTLY!! great article
wages of sin  +   468d ago
Good article with some great points. Unfortunately, it will be overlooked and dismissed here because it's a Sony fanboy haven.

Toy Story graphics people...don't believe the hype.
JunioRS101  +   468d ago
PS4 is obviously more powerful, even if it's only by a small margin.

People deny it left and right, after every dev has come out and mentioned PS4's hardware advantage, every single time...

But if these really were unreliable claims, why haven't any devs said the same thing about Xbox One??

I mean it's one thing if you simply want to wait and see, but quite another to flat out act like there isn't something to the ever-mounting pile of claims in favor of Sony's console.

PS4 has better hardware than the Xbox One. Maybe multiplat devs will be lazy or agnostic and make each version identical. Maybe the PS4 versions will have only slightly better graphics. Maybe the PS4 multiplats will widen the gap even more as time goes on.

There is a lot of "maybe", but one thing is certain...

Xbox One's hardware is AT LEAST not equal to the PS4's. No dev at all would have come out if the difference was truly negligible. But the fact that devs big and small from all different genres have praised NOT Xbone, but the PS4, basically proves that PS4 has at least some sort of advantage that devs are noticing.

Multiplats? Meh. Probably won't be able to tell between versions right off the bat (likely because of lazy devs).

But exclusives? C'mon. We all know PS4 is going to have the significantly better looking exclusive titles.
n4rc  +   468d ago
What?

Name one developer that has ever said that.. By name..

Some former employee of a subcontracted developer that has zero experience with the hardware he's talking about.. that doesnt count.

Its not more powerful as it stands right now... Ps4 has a slightly better gpu but xbox uses additional processors to offload thr gpus workload..

Its a push... Different methods of acheiving the same end result.. This is based on the facts we have.. Not speculation and rumor..

Once both are released and properly tested and compared... Then we will know if a difference exists... But right now? There isnt one
HumanAfterAll  +   468d ago
LOL no.

Maybe 5% or 10% but not 50%

Seriously get real. But who cares? let's just all play games. Who cares what platform you're on?
FrigidDARKNESS  +   468d ago
Its not at all 50% more faster at all. Its all made up by the folks on the other side. Their is no developer will coome out and say this console is 50% faster in gpu while under strict NDA. All it is just a bunch of lies BS and Mularkey no one has done a side by side benchmark tests to prove this claim at all. All it is doing is justifying their purchase when the graphics may look the same or worse on the ps4.
arbitor365  +   468d ago
even if it isnt exactly 50%, the PS4 is still the more powerful system. hands down
Belking  +   468d ago
Final specs haven't been released yet. People are gonna be upset when they actually publish them and will be getting a dose of reality.
christocolus  +   468d ago
Xboxfun and starchild on a serious note you guys need to take a break...you spend too much energy trying to prove your points..i think its pointless repeating same thing over and over again..the music is nothing if the audience is deaf...as i was adviced by a user on this site so ill advice you guys...just chill, drop your unbiased comments on articles you guys are intersted in , ignore fbs and avoid replying them, read through comments for facts and mature opinions and close the tab...easy...gamers here hardly talk about games anymore its all insults now and arrogance..both consoles will launch soon and hopefully gamers will finally have new stuff and games to talk about.......
D-riders  +   468d ago
Well, IGN posted that without optimized code the machines are in different categories 30fps at 1080 vs 900 at 30fps, thats a big deal even when optimizing code. But even more so to developers who don't know the systems if they can get better result with little effort , Sony is not going to allow games to continually be delayed for the xbox1. Not saying IGN is fact, im just saying this report of numbers has been public, and ms isn't fighting it with factual proof, just blanket statements. I agree with your article, I would take power of the consoles info lightly. But here is something interesting, being easier to develop for and having more power will show eventually.That can be a large problem, if the pS4 is that much more powerful and we see it in first party titles. Then publishers have no choice but to meet the markets demand. You see what happened with MS and their policies, that changed quickly. I highly doubt that activision is going to risk first party shooters out performing there series of shooters by a large margin. The xbox1 has to be close in power to keep up, otherwise it will be bad for them. With the announcement of vita tv, I think MS is in a bad position. Not just them, apple tv, ouya, google , amazon etc. IF sony successfully manages internet cable partnerships with television companies It will get crazy. Think of the possibilities, if I can take cable to your house. I think xbox doesn't have a leg to stand on unless they develop a comparable device, but that is my opinion, I love that concept its literally genius.
Time will tell and the first year could prove detrimental.
MRMagoo123  +   468d ago
Denial denial denial, guess what xboners you wont be able to hide the facts once the consoles are out then what do you have left ? nothing. Just shut up about it not being true now so you dont all look stupid on release day k, more than you do now that is considering devs all over the place have been saying nothing good about the xbone but lots have been saying the ps4 is the better hardware.
DivineAssault  +   468d ago
Its not even debatable anymore ppl.. PS4 is a better system period! xb1 isnt a piece of trash or anything tho.. Its going to be a great system too but PS4 is just plain better.. Better controller features, better hardware, better features, better price, & it will have better games & exclusives.. I know xb1 has more exclusives right now but everyone knows that PS4 will topple that before the end of nx yr or sooner.. Its also going to have better indie support.. Im buying xb1 someday when a revised model is released along with a price drop so dont get me wrong here.. However come 11-15-13, im getting my PS4 & it will be my primary console followed by wii u whenever bayo 2, X, & other cool exclusives come around.. xb1 is at the bottom of my list but its on there none the less cuz i play all systems.. Im just not going to sugar coat my opinion for sensitive fanboys.. Whats not an opinion is PS4 being cheaper, better value, & more powerful than xb1. Thats FACT
ShinnokDrako  +   468d ago
It could be 30%, 20%, 10%... even equal to the Xbone, but the best choice for me is still the PS4. I didn't see anything that could make me say "i want the Xbox One" and i keep seeing things that make me say "Damn, why November isn't here yet for my PS4???". I hope only that the software houses won't castrate the multiplatform games as the article says at some point.
larrysdirtydrawss  +   468d ago
I see the misguided comments which are pro-Sony just keep coming in.

@xHeavYx
If you cant see the new things that MS brought to the table with the xbox brand you are blind.

The PS4s "50% power advantage" (doubt it) will not equate to games that are 50% better. I'd hang my hat on that. For an example someone else pointed out that might sink in for you are the games that have already been shown. The best looking game on the PS4 (seems to be KZ) is nowhere near 50% better looking then the top X1 games, not even close. I'll give you 10%, and thats very debatable. They will get better you say? So will the X1's

Lets give Naughty Dog 4-5 years and see what turns up, then you can talk. But you know what the key point is? 4-5 years. Who cares

the division blows away(only seen ps4 version) every x1 exclusive imo
DoubleM70  +   468d ago
Your an idot if you think the XB1 is hard to code for. It's sitting on X86 Arch with DirectX.11.1. All the engines are built on DirectX.11. If you think the PS4 about to blow the PS4 your fucking ridiculous. I like coming here because there are so many Ponies on here.

You all ever herd of Hardware vs Software vs real world performance. I will grant you that the PS4 is more powerful but let's see when they get out on the streets. Let's wait unitl CryEngine, Unreal4 FrostBite, Unity engines are running on them. DirectX.11 is going to crush OpenGL.
Thomaticus  +   467d ago
Remember its the devs that are saying the ps4 is 50 times or percent, more powerful. We should write the names of these devs and make sure that their games actually showcase this extra PS4 power.
Derajcan2  +   467d ago
Thank you! I want to know who these devs are?! I can't believe this story is so popular when they are unknown or anonymous devs?!?! So funny how people believe anything these days

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