Submitted by Queasy 802d ago | opinion piece

Defending Xbox One specs the wrong approach for Microsoft

XMNR: The debate over which console is more powerful is a staple at the start of any new console generation. However, the current back and forth between the PS4 and Xbox One has taken an interesting turn not only because it’s been Sony versus Microsoft or fanboy versus fanboy but because Microsoft has directly engaged fans on forums such as Reddit and NeoGAF in an attempt to defend the specs of the console. This led to a seemingly devastating article from Edge Online Friday but it also proves that Microsoft’s attempts to argue over the power differences between the two next-gen consoles is fruitless at best. (Xbox One)

black0o  +   802d ago
since 05/21 MS has been helping and promoting ps4 more then sony
N4GBeVerySmart   802d ago | Spam
AngelicIceDiamond  +   802d ago
What do you know Sony fans are the first to comment and cast negative typical day on N4G it seems.

People will look foolish when they find out "omg, the games look the same on both platform!?"

I decided to post this now because I know N4G will catch wind and pick it up.

Go ahead fanboys have a fiesta over a rumor that'll turn out to be complete BS.

Here: http://pixelenemy.com/repor... enjoy
N4GBeVerySmart   802d ago | Spam
black0o  +   802d ago
what's the negative thing i said here, all i said is that MS helped sony with the revel of x1, DRM,PR at E3 ... and now with all the talk about the difference in spec

are u calling me a fanboy becoz i said ''i saw MS shotting itself in foot''
jmc8888  +   802d ago
ROFL, won't happen.

Why would Bethesda, in effect, want 2 versions of PS3 Skyrim?

Why would developers, who with multiplatform games generally have an superior PC version graphically, why would they...

a) have a graphically superior version already and not implement some of those aspects in the PS4
b) force the worst version on all the consoles

Plus besides graphics you also have performance AT a particular graphical level.

So say the developers were lazy and didn't want to add to the PS4 game...well actually that's not going to happen. The developers being lazy isn't going to hit the PS4...it's easier to code for.

Lazy developers are more likely to hit the ESRAM coding since THAT is the CELL PROCESSOR of this generation in terms of making it more difficult to code for.

What people don't understand is that of PC, PS4, and Xbox One, the most difficult to code for will be the Xbox One version.

The higher res solutions will already be made because of the PC version.

So in a world where next gen will be defined by PC/PS4 versions, why would they add MORE work to cut things out of these versions, when they will need to work harder to cut it out of the Xbox One version? Which is a better use of time and money?

It makes NO SENSE to developers to purposefully make their job harder and more costly to degrade their products. Here we have a brand new car, oh, hold on, let me just smash out the lights here. There we go.

Plus Sony would really throw a fit, and if the pre-order ratios are true, the developers are going to fear reprisal from Sony far more than from Microsoft.

Microsoft's bullying tactics might work when they are leading, but if they are behind, if anything the devs can tell them to go to hell and MS's policies would help destroy Xbox. Because if the games aren't on the Xbox, people aren't going to buy it. So the whole play tough with devs only works when you're on top. That said I don't think MS would do that, and thus they won't force the devs to weaken their product on a system that will sell more copies then their Xbox One version will sell.

From the perspective of the Xbox One, devs are going to be spending time and money to downgrade the game to work on the Xbox One. Why would they spend more time and money to do that to PS4 as well?

That's the main point. People are getting the whole situation backwards. They aren't making a Xbox One version then adding to it to make a PS4 version that's superior...they are making a PC/PS4 version and then downgrading and porting it to the Xbox One and having to try to fit that game so it works with the ESRAM cheap-o work around thanks to Kinect.

Plus from the sounds of it, Xbox One version of games are behind the PS4 in terms of development. Anyone see a valid guess as to the reason why?
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medman  +   801d ago
AngeliclceDiamond...yet another lost soul who doesn't realize the reason games look the same across platforms has nothing to do with the hardware, but the developers trouble coming to grips with the ps3's architecture. That problem for devs does not exist with the upcoming PS4. Keep deluding yourself if you would like, but you're only fooling yourself. Enjoy that power brick and underpowered console the size of a coffee table.
NextGen24Gamer  +   802d ago
Ps4 has a better core GPU...That's not up for debate by specs provided up to this point.

Ps4 has faster 8 gig ram...That's not up for debate by specs provided....

What we don't know, and where MS is having an issue trying to explain is:

1. How the custom GPU with 3 gpu blocks as diagramed at HotChips effect the performance of the graphics.

2. How the 15 specialized processors help/take the load off of the custom GPU to improve performance.

3. How the ESRAM is used with 4 busses to help the 8 gigs of ram for games.

Not one Sony fan can dispute the facts of the customized console because it's all on paper...what we don't know and MS hasn't done a good job explaining is how "IT ALL" effects the performance of the console in terms that everyone can understand. Speed & TFLOPS.

Just looking at how customized the xbox one is and listening to them say things like the xbox one is the only next gen console capable of 4k gaming at some point, tells me that all those customizations make for a very powerful console.

Once developers optimize their games with the new stereo drivers that MS is giving out, it will be interesting to see the difference it makes in regards to resolution and FPS. I have no doubts about how it will perform. Microsoft has spent too much money or R&D to help co-develop the hardware, for it not to surpass everyone's expectations when it launches.

Anyone who thinks the whole story is ram speed & TFLOPS from the core GPU only, obviously doesn't understand how much architecture & customization can impact the consoles performance in a closed box setting.
theBAWSE  +   802d ago
Did you actually say 4k GAMING? not movies but GAMING???


from a $500 console with DDR3 ram.. Considering ram is needed to help a game run smoother.. listen the chronic you smoking is stronger than mine.. I'm jealous
DoesUs  +   802d ago
Its fair to say at this point...you've lost it.

See you in November.
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black0o  +   802d ago
4K isnt a joke buddy dont use that word lightly
NextGen24Gamer  +   802d ago
I can understand why some think the 4k gaming is a joke on the xbox one. You only feel that way because all you understand is DDR3 ram & 1.3 TFLOP GPU core....

What you don't understand is everything I mentioned in my previous post. Which is the difference maker in how the Xbox One will achieve 4k gaming at some point in the life cycle of the console.

But it's a fact that Microsoft on several occasions have said the xbox one is capable hardware for 4k gaming.

theBAWSE  +   802d ago
yep because Microsoft are not on a PR mission and have not spoken crap for months now

why isn't every game at launch 1080p?
other than a static background driving game in 1080p..

if you believe xbone will play games in the a resolution of 4069 X 2160... words fail me to even begin to describe your intelligence..
Magicite  +   802d ago
no pc can do 4k gaming, unless u wana spend thousands of bucks.
Console? not in next 10 years.
hakeem0996  +   802d ago
If people really gave a damn about specs that much The 360 wouldn't have dominated last-gen . I want to play both consoles and make my own damn mind on which one is better . there's a lot more to take into account than just specs on consoles .
edgeofsins  +   802d ago
We all already know of your fake Misterx thing. Why don't you clarify your previous fake rumors for everyone?
As for your 4k gaming argument. My 1ghz single core phone can do 4k gaming. But can it do it well? No, but it can do it.

And another thing for 4k gaming. It is confirmed by most developers with hands on experience that the PS4 has the edge and it isn't as small as MS is trying to make it seem. So not only is the performance better, but because specifically the RAM is so much better for graphics the potential for 4k is far greater as RAM more directly correlates to features necessary for 4k like storing texture and object data; so higher res textures, further draw distance, and more objects are screen are far easier on the PS4 and we aren't even talking about the faster GPU yet.

Not to mention more RAM is free to use on PS4. Will 4k be done on either console? Most likely in some form. Will it be good? Probably to a limited extent of game types, mainly 2D. Even some of the highest end PC's lose an extreme amount of frames during 4k. If Ryse and Dead Rising 3 struggle for 30fps don't even begin trying to fake out other people to believe you when you try and convince them it will be done just like nothing on X1.
Persistantthug  +   802d ago
There's nothing to defend...

XBONE is less powerful than the PS4....period.

Microsoft should stop defending it and move on to trying to make the best games possible.
BX81  +   802d ago
I agree, the ps4 isn't going to blow the Xbox one out of the water. The ps3 was stronger than the 360 and both had great looking games. I expect the ps4 to be a little stronger. Either way both will have great looking games.
BX81  +   802d ago
Lmao! I love n4g and these doom articles. The ps3, vita, 3ds, wii u and Xbox one are all doomed.
theBAWSE  +   802d ago
Microsoft need to work on their PR skills, work on repairing the damage they have done to their brand with all the restrictions they tried to impose and stop trying to fool gamers who are well informed on the graphical advantage of the ps4 over xbone

it's not like tech sites aren't going to bare all come November anyway.. why end up with more egg on your face? Ms are like headless chickens since xbones unveiling and for such a huge company it's embarrassing .. just be humble Ms an focus on where your strength 'lies'..
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Death  +   802d ago
For what it is worth, before Microsoft started to "defend" their specs, they complaint was Microsoft should be discussing their specs. First they were hiding, now they should shut up. No win there.

I'm waiting to see the games so I can make up my own mind.
theBAWSE  +   802d ago
It's trying to insult our intelligence which is where I think people are fuming

looking forward to analysis from tech sites.. But from the politics involved in developers maybe castrating ps4 games for parity on xbone games I believe you will mainly see the difference in exclusives... naughty dog, santa monica, GG, quantic dreams and the others... It's over to you
NextGen24Gamer  +   802d ago
Bingo....you hit the nail on the head.
jmc8888  +   802d ago
But they aren't defending their specs.

What they are doing is defending the ambiguity behind their specs by throwing more unknowns out there.

Maybe they are trying to clear up the mess, but they are actually making it messier, and as Microsoft has started to explain their specs more, they haven't explained them in a proper way. I also don't fault people if they say the opposite, because if the point is to clean up the mess, why are they in a sophomoric fashion muddying the waters with what they say?

Major nelson? Are they serious? Is that like McDonalds using Ronald McDonald to claim their beef isn't full of worms or whatever? You don't use your mascot or whatever AND THEIR SUPPOSED CLOUT to make shill comments, relatively outlandish ones. Ronald McDonald says the best hamburger meat is at McDonalds. Thanks Major Nelson.

Instead they get that guy Bortello or whatever on Neogaf claiming crap that is being shredded for pages.

To actually defend your specs, you need someone who actually UNDERSTANDS the specs, defending them.

So you summarized the situation quite wrong.

Microsoft revealed and showcased at E3 and other shows their console, except it wasn't their console and many of the games were on PC's, at least one of which was being run by an nvidia card.

They followed that up with CLAIMING that they aren't 50 percent behind, or anywhere close to that, but have as yet to explain why it isn't the case.

They made the claim that the sky isn't blue, so let them prove it. Except they trot out a bunch of forrest gumps and they go all jenny on us.

So the complaints aren't as you describe them. They started making crazy claims and haven't backed them up, after having PR disaster after disaster of their own making and idiotic choosing this whole year.

You do realize that people can create their own no-win scenario. Microsoft has done that. It's not that people are being unfair, it's the Microsoft keeps screwing up.

Making up ones own mind is great, just make sure that you use real facts and info to make it up. Look at Obama, he's sure his Al-Qeada funded terrorists didn't use chemical weapons, even though they've been caught with them and given them by Bandar Bin Sultan. Obama made up his mind. But he's wrong. He's not going by the facts.

So just remember, if you make up your mind based on faulty info, you'll still get the wrong answer.

But also remember that Microsoft is the reason Microsoft hasn't shown you much Xbox One footage, and has been passing off PC powered by Nvidia footage as Xbox One. That again, is all on Microsoft. Sony isn't going to be showing XBox One games.
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Death  +   802d ago
If a developer purposely dumbs down a game to make another platform holder happy, consumers should absolutely let them know by not purchasing the game. If it is a simple tweak like they said in the article, they will do it. The issue arises when a developer can't justify the extra cost to take advantage of a systems capabilities. This not only affects performance, but functions. What incentive does a third party have to use Kinect if the PS4 doesn't have the same capabilies? Both systems are affected by specs and features. It's the economics of gaming and why first party titles usually stand out.
EXVirtual  +   802d ago
MS has had loads of bad approaches. 'This combative approach has also fed journalists to go and grab juicy quotes from anonymous developers such as one claiming to Edge that multi-platform developers will be forced to “castrate” games on the PS4 because politics will require them to make games on that platform equal to the Xbox One. This is a patently silly statement as Sony would raise all sorts of hell if that were the case and the differences between the PS3 and Xbox 360 certainly didn’t stop some games from looking noticeably worse on one of the consoles.'
Thank You! If that happens, we're gonna have to get devs to actually make use of the superior hardware of the PS4. whether it be through forums or Twitter.
Anyway, I'm gonna love to see how the launch plays out. The difference won't be amazingly visible, but in 2-3 years, you'll see the real difference, but we need to make sure devs actually take advantage of the PS4, especially since it'll have a significantly larger install base.
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WorldGamer  +   802d ago
I said this from before. Once you get into the weeds, it's very hard to extricate yourself from a discussion like that.

Show more games, focus on what you do bring to the table and let consumers know what you are offering.

That DRM thing really hurt MS, and I think that the spec issue really on top of that has made them very sensitive and reactionary.

They really shot themselves in the foot, and this isn't helping at all.

Sony has really come a long way, MS has some work to do.
Godmars290  +   802d ago
And the problem with MS is that they sell based on ideal and lifestyle rather than graphics and gameplay. Probably why they thought they could get away with the DRM. Why they were so slow to reverse their mistakes.
Septic  +   802d ago
Well said Worldgamer. Could put it better myself.
Megaton  +   802d ago
It's a fight they can't win. They're fighting to prove parity, not even superiority, while on paper and from the mouths of numerous devs you hear nothing but "PS4 is more powerful". All the nonsensical tech-jumble Albert Penello can muster is only going to hurt his reputation and make the company look increasingly desperate.

Talk about the games.
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Confickercrash  +   802d ago
Exactly. You don't see Sony bragging about their specs on the opposite end of the spectrum. They just show what their machine is capable of via the games themselves, which is what you're supposed to do anyway. You don't buy a console to stare at the spec sheet, you buy it to play games.
GmIsOnPt360  +   802d ago
They actually do, Sony is qouted all the time as saying its the most powerful machine which is layman way of not having to cite specs to someone who wouldnt understand
gaelic_laoch  +   802d ago
"Defending Xbox One specs the wrong approach for Microsoft"

And also by those buying it!
D-riders  +   802d ago
So if its that big of a power difference no matter if the game is limped or not it won matter. games will see thedifference. comparing games actually running. rose vs deep down gameplay from tgs. is not making a good case for ms.they should make statements like graphics are great and there isn't much room for improvement. notwhat they been saying
Bolts  +   802d ago
They clearly have the exclusive advantage right now regardless of the bad press and the specs. The buzz on Titanfall is higher than anything shown by Sony. For example Infamous looks amazing, but all people talk about is Titanfall which have graphics that are just serviceable.
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4logpc  +   802d ago
This is the same argument that happens before any console launch. Happened with PS1/N64, Gcube/PS2/Xbox/, 360/PS3/Wii.

This war of which console has the most power will die as soon as the consoles release, because right now there is nothing to do but debate PR statements and slides with technical specs.

This always happens and in the end only the hardcore fanboys sit and debate for hours on which console is better and has the better graphics. They will continue to debate stupid things like:

Uncharted 3 has way better graphics than Gears of War 3 therefore= Best game ever. Even though they are two completely different games, with different engines, and completely different speeds and style of gameplay.

90% of gamers do not care which console has the "better" hardware. They buy the console they want or their friends have and then they play games.
Belking  +   802d ago
They don't need to defend anything. The games will speak for themselves. Xbox-games look just as good or better than the ones on ps4. Fact.
Angeljuice  +   802d ago
You are the embodiment of Microsofts futile attempts to claim that the Xbox is as powerful as the PS4. Except you seem to believe it is even more powerful (which not even Microsoft try to convince people of). Microsoft themselves simply state that the PS4 isn't all that far ahead graphically speaking, even they admit to a performance gap (but try to negate the difference).
Be a Microsoft fanboy, by all means, but tow the party line at least, you just come across as a crazed delusional lunatic spouting 'facts' that you don't even believe yourself.
XboxFun  +   802d ago
"Instead of debating performance specs, Microsoft needs to be hammering games, features and services."

Exactly, most of these so called fans MS is engaging are nothing more than fans of the other camp who's agenda is nothing more than to put down the Xbox One. This, like this site for example, is a losing battle because no matter what you will say or back up or explain with tech background or experience that side will not listen.

"This is a patently silly statement as Sony would raise all sorts of hell if that were the case and the differences between the PS3 and Xbox 360 certainly didn’t stop some games from looking noticeably worse on one of the consoles."

Again spot on. I love all these supposed "sources" from unnamed developers. Just like the 360/PS3 the PS3 was a lot stronger and produced some very beautiful games. But that didn't stop the 360 from making it's own gorgeous games.

And when it comes down to it, even with the 360 not having the graphics power it still didn't stop the design or gameplay of any game. They all controlled and played the same and this is the most important part.

People post comments like this "50%" more power is going to drastically alter the way games are played. No, the controls on the PS4 are the exact same as the X1. (Well not including the touchpad.)

People keep harping on about the powah of the PS4 but the launch games for both system are looking exceptional and Xbox One has some mind blowing graphics without that so called extra powah.

Time will tell, let's all see how this extra power will be utilized before we start flying off the handle copying and pasting specs off of a spec sheet.

I was going for Idris Elba speech vibe from Pacific Rim.
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gaelic_laoch  +   802d ago
Nice speech! Almost an Alamo feel to it!
Godmars290  +   802d ago
"is a losing battle because no matter what you will say or back up or explain with tech background or experience that side will not listen."

That's odd. The best "technical" counter-point I often get in regards to an Xbox was "You're a Sony fanboy!" No matter what the actual question or statement was.

Really the only thing which will prove anything will be games and it would be great if we could all just sit back and wait for them, but basic questions haven't been answered. Like will Kinect 2.0 be any better than Kinect 1.0.
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i3eyond the Circle  +   802d ago
All they simply had to say was one of our launch games characters has 50% more detail..and our launch racer has 100% more fps....let the games play numbers for you. We're dealing with new tech you don't understand until we want to talk about it...when you find these powerful 50% differences give us a call.
mhunterjr  +   802d ago
If folks make there purchase at launch based on which device will potentially have the best exclusives in terms of graphics at some point down the road... there's certainly no point in trying to prove win their favor.

I for the life of me can't remember a time when a games graphics were its the most important quality. That said, I don't see a single ps4 game that looks 50% better than comparable xb1 games.

Microsoft should just focus on delivering great games, which day1 launch lineup proves they are capable of. Otherwise, the fanboys will continue to complain about every little thing they can.

The Sony fanboys should stop praying more microsofts demise. If it weren't for the success of the Xbox 360, the ps4 offerings would not be as awesome as they are today.
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Mikelarry  +   802d ago
the funny thing its ms coming to defend their specs while with Sony its the developers who are defending the specs, goes to show
Flatbattery  +   802d ago
Forget about specs and concentrate on games people want to play, anybody with any sense can already see that on paper the PS4 is technically better.

Did Nintendo run around declaring the Wii specs were on par with PS3 and Xbox 360? No, they just made games and didn't worry about the specs. The same could be said for the Wii U, but Nintendo seems to have slipped up and forgot about the games this time.

My point being is that while Microsoft are damage controlling on technical details, journalists and fanboys alike are going to use it as the centre of any article or argument. Instead they should be showcasing something that can be created, changed or improved which is features, services and GAMES.
MasterCornholio  +   802d ago
"Did Nintendo run around declaring the Wii specs were on par with PS3 and Xbox 360? No, they just made games and didn't worry about the specs. The same could be said for the Wii U, but Nintendo seems to have slipped up and forgot about the games this time. "

Last time around they didnt say the Wii was on par with either the PS3 or the XBOX 360 but this time they said that there would be a minor difference between the Wii U and other next gen console in terms of graphics.

Iwata: "Other companies might launch a next-generation console with more power, but we donft necessarily think that the difference between the Wii U and such console will be as drastic as what you felt it was between the Wii and the other consoles because there will be fewer and fewer differentiators in graphics."


Not to be a prick but i discovered this with my search by accident.

Reggie: "“It’s based on having great graphics, it’s based on having a robust online execution. We believe that this system is going to have a very long life, and it’s going to be very well supported by third-party publishers.”"



What happened to the amazing 3rd party support that the Wii U was supposed to have?

"My point being is that while Microsoft are damage controlling on technical details, journalists and fanboys alike are going to use it as the centre of any article or argument."

Completely agree there and whats even worse is when someone like Panello posts BS on Neogaf to defend the system. They should shut up about specs and show us more software (games, features, operating system etc...)

Panello: "• We have more memory bandwidth. 176gb/sec is peak on paper for GDDR5. Our peak on paper is 272gb/sec. (68gb/sec DDR3 + 204gb/sec on ESRAM). ESRAM can do read/write cycles simultaneously so I see this number mis-quoted."
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Flatbattery  +   802d ago
where the hell was I when Ninty went full retard with the Wii U? Helps reinforce my point though.
jaren92  +   802d ago
It's so funny how people really think the graphics will be soo much better they will be slightly better it won't be how everyone makes it out to be everyone is making it seem like the Xbox one has last generation graphics just honestly take a deep look into ryse and tell be the graphics suck on the Xbox one or even dead rising if you honestly look at those games and take time to look at the visuals and say they aren't appealing then you are just flat out a hater or just blind or something I respect the ps4 it's a great console people just can't accept the fact the Xbox one will be a great system and won't be a failure no matter how much you want it too it won't be
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dethpuck  +   802d ago
Ms will be fine. It comes down to games and your friends you play with. Let me know how the more powerful vita is doing against the 3ds. A good game is a good game graphics are just icing on the cake
fullymoated  +   802d ago
It’s still a coin flip to me because I love online shooters

Xbox live + Titanfall this spring + exclusive content for The Division + CoD dedis VS Killzone + great single-player exclusives + more powerful console that hopefully will be used + PSN value

I’ll be curious to see if there’s any difference between Battlefield 4 on PS4 and X1
Confickercrash  +   802d ago
I have never seen a company defend a product so desperately as to proclaim its quality on third-party online forums as I have with Microsoft.
AllroundGamer  +   802d ago
in this state anything they say or do will just makes things worse, cause most people think they are lying anyway. Only thing they can do is to try to release good exclusive games in the future. I for myself won't buy xbox one, not only because of their moneygrabbing strategies but also cause almost every "exclusive" game will be on PC anyway and i will play them there.
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omegaheat  +   802d ago
Something's really peculiar about this site. I don't comment very often, but to some degree I can see why or if Microsoft is defending its specs. There are a lot Playstation gamers on this site that are bent on converting every Xbox gamer to a Playstation gamer. I really don't understand the motive. It's as if every article that gets posted about Xbox One, a flood of you guys post negative comments as if you haven't posted the same comment 50 times or so since this make believe console war began. None of you guys, I repeat none of you guys really know the technical side of these hardwares. You're just posting the same copy and paste information that you read from some site that decided to capitalize on the hit opportunities of fanboys grabbing for gaming info. The journalist know that you exist, so they say things like "according to an anonymous dev, the PS4 is more powerful" or "Five reasons the Xbox One will fail". Not one credible dev has said any such thing like that. What I can't understand is if so many of you guys believe that your console is more powerful, why even bother trying to convince people that you don't even know to buy the same console as you. Unless you're being so benevolent as to warn the world that the Xbox One is the anti-christ, then thanks for the heads up. But for now, just game and breathe a little. We're all going to be playing some good games soon.
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mochachino  +   802d ago
As hard as MS tries they're not going to convince me that 1+1=3.

MS should spend less money trying to convince people to buy they products with marketing and PR ,and more of it on making the products better to induce people into buying them.

PS4 spent extra money on a better GPU and RAM and gamers via word of mouth did all the marketing for them.

I'll never forget 500 million marketing Kinect but nothing on exclusive games. MS is so rapidly destroying it's reputation among gamers it's alarming. That and paywalls to stuff like Netflix and Internet Explore has resulted in me being automatically frustrated when I think of the Xbox brand. When I heard about that it was the final straw. Sooo much nickel and diming and just general greed unbecoming of such a wealthy corporation.

How do you charge someone to access Youtube, IE, and Netflix!? I can't support such avaricious policies from any company. The precedent it sets is too terrible.
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mochachino  +   802d ago
The only reason for PS4 games not to look better than xone's after year 2 or 3 would be that devs are being instructed not to use PS4 extra power, which would result in me not buying xone at a later date when it drops in price. (For Halo). It would be the biggest BS MS ever pulled.

Anyways, can't wait until November, PS4 is mine!!
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