PlayStation 4 is currently around 50 per cent faster than its rival Xbox One. Multiple high-level game development sources have described the difference in performance between the consoles as “significant” and “obvious.”
"Sony and Microsoft are each still working on the graphics drivers for each console, and Xbox One is lagging behind in this regard – Microsoft “has been late on their drivers and that has been hurting them,” said one source. Another described Xbox One’s graphics drivers less charitably as “horrible”. Sounds to me like Microsoft wasnt ready for a 2013 launch and Sony forced their hand. "One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. “Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,” concluded one developer." Ouch, thats a pretty damn big gap if its true. I seriously hope that this is all just software related and that the hardware didnt get rushed, cause then a RROD repeat would not surprise me.
Rushed like said, do u no what gets me people claim ms has all this money caps yet they don't use it, greed
mark My words the next wave of malti-plat titles will show that 50% defferent in power
It's because at first they put multimedia features at the forefront even though it's a games console, and that's why it's underpowered. That is going to come back and bite them in the ass. @black0o Not just the next wave. The difference between launch titles will be obvious.
@shikoro the 1st wave titles are more like in between next-cur gen and based on cur-gen engines, they won't make use of the real power that comes with the new hardware also with the drives being prototype ..etc but once the devs start planning their next projects based on the next gen tech then the deference will be clear I mean way clear
Idk if anything multiplatform games might be xboxone level because im sure micro would not be.happy about an inferior copy. Yet ps3 gamers had to dealwith it. Im looking at u fallout 3 and new vegas. But at least they will run perfectly on ps4. Heres to a future where ps4 is lead platform. Cheers
I think ea is already doing the parity thing with Battlefield 4 for PS4, there is no way that game cant run at 1080P on PS4.
@maji: Carefully selected quotes without all the details. "ur contacts have told us that memory reads on PS4 are 40-50 per cent quicker than Xbox One, and its ALU (Arithmetic Logic Unit) is around 50 per cent faster. One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. “Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,” concluded one developer." Notice how they say unoptimized! "“The poor [graphics] drivers have made it difficult to push either of them, and the developers aren’t familiar with the hardware yet,“ said one source." "Xbox One does, however, boast superior performance to PS4 in other ways. “Let’s say you are using procedural generation or raytracing via parametric surfaces – that is, using a lot of memory writes and not much texturing or ALU – Xbox One will be likely be faster,” said one developer." The truth hurts fangirls and everyone else just enjoys the platform and the games!
Anyone else thinks that M$ will come up with a new console in 2-3 years to try to match the PS4 power?
If the PS4 is indeed 50% faster, that spells BIG trouble for MS, regardless of what exclusives the X1 has. If that is the case, then I pray that the PS4 versions of multiplats aren't gimped for the sake of the X1.
Without rushing they'd get obliterated by the PS4 sales, instead they're only going to get demolished. I'm thinking 80:20 between the two. MS did what they had to do, though it's really weird that they weren't ready. They're what, 7 years into this gen, what were they waiting on? What a crazy article to pop up. Expect Penello to respond before this day is over. lol also this: "better to “castrate” the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers." It's official, Xbox 1 games will be gimping PS4 versions of multiplatform titles -_- This is why we cherish exclusives.
Wow. That performance difference is big. But you know what that means? I read the rest of that article and it was clear that the pressure for parity from micro$oft would be a factor. Also in the edgeonline.com article it was stated that it wouldn't make financial sense for them to make one game prettier than the other unless it was a simple tweak. That means that the PS4 development of third party games is going to dumbed down significantly because of the lowest common denominator syndrome brought about by the inferiority of the bone's hardware. That's crap. Sony should pressure the 3rd party devs to push the PS4 and take full advantage of it's abilities and not let the bone hold it back.
scariest part of that interview.. 'One source even suggested that enforcing parity across consoles could become a political issue between platform holders, developers and publishers. They said that it could damage perceptions of a cross platform title, not to mention Xbox One, if the PS4 version shipped with an obviously superior resolution and framerate; better to “castrate” the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers' of corse Microsoft will castrate developers for making the stronger consoles multi platform games better.. It's like bluray and DVD all over again. Microsoft hindering games once again with inferior hardware
@familyguy: i think they were waiting for Sony to show what they have to show... but Sony came out little early and suddenly caught them by their balls.
"Microsoft hindering games once again with inferior hardware" Once again? The 360 was far more developer friendly than the PS3.
@nukeitall "One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One." -From Article "Notice how they say unoptimized!" lol You do know that includes the PS4, right? They both were given the same test. Basically, given the tools and hardware, the PS4 is more flexible with it's unified architecture and makes it really easy to develop for. Which confirms all the statements Cerny has talked about on making a very developer-friendly but yet powerful console. Didn't Guerrilla Games, the creators of Killzone, also said that the PS4 has barely any bottlenecks? That's because with a unified architecture, the physical memory in the console is shared among the components (CPU and GPU) and can be sent and used for the more intensive processes putting less pressure on everything else which means less lag in performance. The console would be able to compute elements much easier and faster. http://www.extremetech.com/... "Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,” concluded one developer." -From Article Once again, another person stating that the Xbox One is weaker than the PS4. How many different developers have to say that it's inferior to the PS4 before it registers into your head? Now this one is about the ESRAM. Didn't that misinformation moron, MisterX/Insider has said that the ESRAM contains 4 lines for the DDR3 so it can compute much faster making it 4 times faster than the PS4? Complete lie, even if two of those imaginary lines for memory transfer were used, it would still be weaker than the PS4's constant 176 GB/s. And now that it's stated that it's hard to use, 3rd party developers wouldn't entirely use it's full power just like the PS3's Cell. The PS4 will have a large advantage in power for years and even so, the GDDR5 RAM isn't optimized. Most computers use DDR3 so developers have a better understanding of it already. GDDR5 will be learned and give the PS4 a bigger boost for better frame rates with much more larger games using more RAM. "The truth hurts fangirls and everyone else just enjoys the platform and the games!" Funny, if it's all about the games for you, why are you here? This article is about both console's power and performance. And it's here because delusional Xbots like MisterX love to spread misinformation and post it on N4G. This article proves that the PS4's power in most cases is better and set in stone. I'm not saying the PS4 is 100 times better than the Xbox One or some stupid sh%t like that that's not based on fact. But it shouldn't be hard to take in that the PS4 in fact is more powerful than the Xbox One. Don't deny it even with all the explanations and factual numbers not theories. Even the games speak for themselves, look at Killzone: Shadowfall, it can run between 30 to 60 frames at 1080p. While I still haven't heard many Xbox One games that does 60 fps at 1080p except Forza 5 but that game is lacking dynamics. Killer Instinct only runs at 720p, pathetic for a fighting game, really. lol Truth hurts, sorry if I put you in a coma.
@septic where did I state ease of development? I stated DVD vs bluray... And for a reason, I read articles where certain games had less content due to developers not wanting to pay Microsoft the fee for multiple DVDs on their 360 game which therefore resulted in ps3 games having less content to be on parity with the 360 version this time for ps4/xbone it's gamers that will suffer alot more due to the graphical inferiority of the xbone not the storage medium
@ theBawse Please name these games for me where games suffered due to so-called space restrictions. You appear to be exaggerating the issue, if there even is one.
So if ps4 is 50% more powerful and easier to dev for and micro is behind in dev for X1 after being caught off guard by the announcement of ps4, the why is Ryse the best looking console game at launch, why is sony struggling to get a racer that quite frankly despite its claims looks no better then The Crew to run at 60fps, why are there more AAA launch exclusives on X1? I guess the X1 strengths the article spoke of must also be significant becaus3 all that would point to ps4 games showing huge gap in superiority from the start. Im not buying this though from ghost sources. I heard all the talk before but lets see proof and right now the games speak for themselves.
@septic off top of my head final fantasy.. the biggest jrpg you think it's exaggerated that's good for you.. developers wouldn't broadcast the fact but it's a known issue
"do u no what gets me people claim ms has all this money caps yet they don't use it, greed" No, its more like MS has lost more money than they've gotten out of the Xbox brand, so they're reluctant to put in even more or otherwise force it to pay off. For someone reason the Xbox fan camp seem to forget the fist Xbox. That MS only lost money on that system which both undersold and never saw a decrease in production costs because key parts for it were leased instead of bought. Between that and the RRoD incident, out of their ten year history in the console industry MS have likely been losing/not seeing much profit for at least six years.
@ 4Sh0w Ryse looks and plays like crap and MSs so called "AAA" launch line-up is composed of 360 games that got pushed (forced) in to becoming X1 launch games. How is Ryse the "best"? http://s18.postimg.org/cnfm... Killzone scraps it, Deep Down annihilates it and Second Son makes it a cheap street walker for tips as it is clearly its b**** Who started this "Ryse looks great" crap anyway? Just because Crytek made it or something? Look at Marius' eyes and tell me that's next gen.
I recently upgraded the RAM in my PC from a Data-rate of 1333 to 2133, which is about 60% faster... Originally, it took 1&1/2 minutes to load Windows, and 2 minutes to load a high-res picture in Photoshop. But now... It's absolutely awesome!!! Windows loads in less than 8 seconds, opening something in Photoshop takes about 10, and every game that I play loads so fast that the audio can't keep up! Absolutely awesome in burlesquing proportions!
@ rewardedone If Devs aren't bought out then the differences in multiplats (graphics and performance) may be significant. I for one will be very upset if they castrate the PS4 due to not trying to ruffle MS feathers. Hell they don't castrate multiplat PC editions in reference to consoles.
“Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,” concluded one developer." “The clock speed update is not significant, it does not change things that much,” Microsoft, you got some splainin to do! :lololol
Another day, another confirmation. http://www.gamechup.com/war... http://n4g.com/news/1263235... http://n4g.com/news/1304933... @ 4Sh0w: Your opinion is just an opinion, though. The PS4 being more powerful is a fact. It's not a matter of "if." Killzone: Shadow Fall's tech makes Ryse look outdated. Just youtube Killzone: Shadow Fall tech. As a matter of fact, Ryse was a current gen Kinect game for longer than it was an Xbox One game, which explains the lackluster visuals and glitchy QTE combat. It's unfair to even compare the two. Crytek are very likely using the exact same Xbox 360 version's assets, so if Ryse is the best looking next gen game for you, well, I don't think I need to point out the obvious. The Crew, graphically, is closer to the previous two NFS games, Hot Pursuit and Most Wanted. Yes it's open world but graphically, it's closer to those two games than Driveclub. Driveclub is photorealistic in comparison. Killer Instinct is AAA? It's a simple fighting game running at 720p, launching with only 6 characters, priced at $20 or something, lol. Let's talk about Forza 5: - Forza 5's lighting is baked. Driveclub has real time dynamic lighting/global illumination, whereas every object casts its own shadow, which results in a superior graphical experience. There is absolutely no arguing that real time dynamic lights are infinitely, technologically superior to fake, cartoony baked lighting. Unless cartoony art direction is part of Turn 10's goal, which it isn't. Forza 5's lighting is so weird and unrealistic, that I'm shocked they even advertise the game's graphics as realistic. - Driveclub's clouds are dynamic. They actually move around as they're (yep, you guessed it) fully modeled. Clouds in Forza 5 are practically painted on and static. Part of the static background. - The environments in Forza 5 are completely static as well. Every single detail from trees to mountains in Driveclub has been fully modeled in 3D. Doesn't matter how far the object is from the camera, if you see it, you know it's a modeled object in Driveclub. Forza 5 uses static backdrops to make it very easy to achieve 60fps. - Forza doesn't even have night racing or weather effects. Turn 10 have been using the same cheap method for 60fps since the original Forza. So much for "next gen progression" huh? You ever wonder why Turn 10 never talks about the tech in their games? If Driveclub was using the same last gen tricks of Forza 5, it'd be locked at 60fps. As of now, Forza 5 is only really comparable to Ridge Racer, as they both use the same smoke and mirrors for 60fps. Or maybe you want to talk about Dead Rising 3? All Capcom did was slap on more brain-dead AI and call it "next gen." How impressive! Naughty Dog = new PS4 IP coming (and sequels to their previous GOTY winners) Sony Santa Monica = multiple new PS4 IPs coming Guerrilla = new PS4 IP coming Quantic Dream = multiple new PS4 IPs coming Media Molecule = new PS4 IP coming Polyphony Digital = Gran Turismo 7 is coming Let's not forget The Order: 1886. Or Rime, or Everybody's Gone To The Rapture, or the endless indie games on PS4.
@theBAWSE is that really scary though? That's been standard operating procedure in the game industry for years.
@4show, all or almost all of the exclusive games for the Xbone were games that were being developped for the 360. MS just shifted the production to the Xbone, nothing else. The advantage will be lost in the developpement of the next games...
Familyguy any fanboy can just say KZ SF looks like crap, DC looks like crap l, inFamous SS looks like crap but its not proof. Its just fanboyism you can paste all the cutsecene stuff you want buy I know what my eyes see and Ryse has the best in game graphics Ive seen. I could understand if you disagree but to say it looks like crap is pure fanboyism, everyone with hands on love it or hate it still acknowledge how eye popping the graphics are.
Is it still news Xbone is slower? Are people still trying to argue it isn't? LOL you guys crack me up.
Pitiful Microsofie, struggling since the Xbone180 reveal.
Good god!!! Of the [albeit small] number of "AGREES" that I got for my prior comment, I wonder how many actually believe that RAM is capable of doing something like that? Wow... if so, it's paradoxically ludicrous!
if we get another gen of this crap it will just prove once and for all what a despicable company MS is who uses employees to act like "gamers" and post online under the guise of "real gamers" play both platforms yada yada yada. truth is anyone that supports a corporation that holds an entire industry hostage to it's greed and lack of tech know how is a moron who needs to be run out of this hobby along with MS. Some people/corporations are involved in gaming with good intentions, others.........well we saw the backlash they created when they showed their true colors with the xbones draconian DRM.
@blac0o.. YOu are actually stupid. The level of politics in any industry can never be seen till youre involved in it. Why do you think that generally all Multi-plats look very similar? Politics - Face it MS might not have the better performing console but they have might to squeeze any game publisher to do anything (within reason). The partnerships, and tie ups is how for some strange reason MS had somtehing to do with the PS3 cell processor. The hardware companies that have contributed to the consoles (PS4, X1) - both rely heavily on MS. I mean they need to work with Windows and MS has the political pull to ensure games will not look significantly different. First party titles are different. Sony have a different advantage - the won consumers back. LAst gen it was very negative for the PS3, but now how the tables have turned. Sony did many things right, and they have consumer power on their side ATM. Trust me, Politics plays a very big part in Multiplat games and it always will
I think you're right, MS were caught off guard. That's probably why they moved games like Ryse from 360 to XBone, as well. There's definitely a theme emerging, whereby developers agree PS4 is the stronger machine. It seems to be gradually moving from 'marginally' to 'considerably' as each new comment is published too... Time will tell.
^Oh nice, a personal attack. :( Not sure what I said to deserve that, but still. If you disagree with what I said, you could just say why. I think what I said is true. If it was the other way around AND MS hadn't played silly games with an entire industry, I would buy Xbox, it's that simple. :|
This article is better than most because it's more descriptive, and it contains hypothetical examples. I don't care if my future ps4 looks a bit better than Xbox One. If I wanted to "win" anything, it would be ease of development and install base. These are more important than a relative graphics disparity. It looks like Sony is doing a good job on this front. Both consoles are going to be fun. That's what matters.
@G20WLY dnt worry bout him. Another biased, jealous, insecure fanturd. @Kuse Just get the system you prefer and deal with it. Its not our fault the the Xb1 is underpowered compared to ps4. I might be some things the xb1 does better than ps4 if it makes you feel better. Shit, they have kinetic and a cable guide.... embrace it like alot of use did with the ps3 cell.
What is it with fanboys (that always complain about ps fanboys) and the phrase "circle jerk"? They use it constantly.
This has been MS PR and spin doctoring after Gamescom: http://memecrunch.com/meme/...
It's the same old story with m$
Well that depends who's reading it... "Another described Xbox One’s graphics drivers...as “horrible”." OUCH >_<
Until people step forward ang give their names, and company, they don't exist. It's the same way all anonymous Xbox tipsters, are lying, on this site, then so must be these tipsters. Not that It truly matters, but I still don't buy it, until I see side by side performance stats from respectable gaming sites, well, "Then Monty, then" it is true; concordantly, I will make sure it gets the golf clap it deserves. If false, well then the sniffling, whining, and bu bu bu's, will be fun to watch.
@nukeitail - PS4 has 40-50% more raw power than Xbone. - PS4 memory reading is faster than Xbone's - But Xbone memory writing is faster than PS4's Yes they said, "not optmized" BUT do you think they said it just for Xbone. It's for both consoles. So when they'll optimize, they'll optimize both and PS4 will still have that 40/50% raw power advantage. Got it ? If you wanna play smart, use your brain till the end.
I dunno. We'll have to wait and see if there is a noticable difference. The Xbox One architecture is more complex which is why they say the esram is a pain. They also said the drivers aren't very good yet. As the drivers improve and the kinks get worked out performance will increase.
Alot depends on the devs too. Naughty Dog clearly understood the PS3 more than most.
The ESRAM is a pain because there is so little of it. So developers really need to do a lot of work to figure out exactly which data and operations would benefit the most from using the ESRAM over the DRAM. It's a very limited resource so they need to be careful how they use it. It's as if Microsoft were not paying attention to the problems developer were having this gen.
360 fans are now defending a harder to develop for system? I thought that's what the ps3 was lambasted for last gen.
It will take about 3-4 years for us to notice that difference in power in terms of games being noticeably different on Ps4 vs XB1.
i agree 100%! Sony built this beast & was ready to release it this year while M$ probably wasnt.. I bet M$ didnt think sony was going with 8GB of GDDR5.. Hell even 1st party developers were under the impression that it was only 4GB.. They kept it hush hush & finalized the decision to put in 8GB at the last minute so M$ thought theyd kill em with more memory lol.. Man i cant wait for PS4.. Its going to be amazingly great to have ps4/psv combo as well as ps vita tv when it launches to stream PS4 games to different tvs in the house.. When gaikai gets put into the mix, there will be endless opportunities! movies, games, & music anywhere anytime (that has wifi)
Microsoft got called out and even though they probably haven't, it seems to me that they really only started working on this console after the PS4 announcement. I'm also not interested in 7/8's of the features inside that thing so $499.99 for an 1/8th of games is not worth it too me.
People can continue to quote nameless SONY devs on power differences, meanwhile, Forza 5 is separating itself from the pack! Killzone:SF, Knack, and Drive Club are all SONY exclusives, why are none of them running 1080p @ 60fps? The article ju st said devs would need to sacrifice frame rate on multiplats so they wouldn't shame the other console. Well, Forza 5 is talking with performance! The so called journalist at EDGE Magazine should've asked these developers; hay "where are your games running 1080p "native" @60fps like Forza 5 on the XBOX ONE"? An answer would impress me. Talk is cheap!
What's impressive about a racer running at 1080p, 60fps in the 8th gen? GT5 ran at almost 1080p and almost 60fps and that was the 7th gen. Driveclub is aiming for 60fps: www.thesixthaxis.com/2013/06/1 8/driveclub-will-support-all-ps 4-wheels-studio-aiming-at-60fps / ...it was just one of their demonstrations that went with 30fps. KZ:SF *IS* 1080p 60fps in multiplayer and 1080p and "running far above 30fps...aiming 60fps" in SP. http://www.gamechup.com/kil... http://www.playstationlifes... ....so my question is this: why are you spreading false information?
"Forza 5 is separating itself from the pack!" No, its not And you are the most delusional fanboy on this thread
@ OtherZinc ... Well said good sir, well said indeed.
Maybe you should look into killzone Because you just sound like a ass
the good news is that in the end the graphical difference won't be much. How many times have you read that the graphical leap from the current gen to the next gen won't be as noticable? If that is true then what will the difference be between two next systems that are very similar? Do you want slightly better graphics? Or do you want next gen gameplay with dedicated Kinect 2, Azure cloud, and the ever vastly superior xbox live? Sony gamers will find themselves playing in the same way that they have played for the past two generations while Xbox One gamers will be riding the waves of innovation. Can't wait.
I stand corrected , walkingcarpet is even more delusional. Man, has he been drinking the kool aid
You obviously didn't read that article about Hot Chips conference, they said it will be almost impossible for the Xbox to have another Red Ring Of Death
I would be shocked if they didn't spend a lot of extra effort to ensure that the XB1 is he most reliable console next gen, they can't afford another RROD like debacle.
The problem most people forget is, once you start rushing, all the safeguards in place go out the window. It's one thing to say you'll never repeat the Xbox 360 red ring of death, but the Xbox One IS NOT the Xbox 360. It's a different design, with different potentials for flaws, so on and so forth...when you start rushing it, that's when flaws get overlooked. I agree it probably is nearly impossible that they have another RRoD disaster with the Xbox 360, but this is the Xbox One and we're all more interested in whether this different process that breaches outside the confines of the lessons/concepts they learned creates another RRoD. I didn't see the hot chip conference, but hopefully they didn't use statistical quackery to make the case. If so, it didn't tell you anything. Statistical quackery are guesses, in reality something is 0 or 1. So there's many ways statistically to be fooled into think that a certain console might not fail, or your poop doesn't stink, or that indeed pigs fly. Statistics can show you anything, none of which is real. So hopefully hot chips didn't delve into that crap. Either way, why people would say it cannot happen is a bit off. It's different people, different design, and who knows what else is different. The pressure to release let the fault that caused RRoD through. It's RUSHING that is the biggest threat, because any flaw underneath can be overlooked. Last I checked, Microsoft is rushing like hell. So hopefully for Xbox One owners there won't be a RRoD type disaster. I hated having one, and numerous other problems. But the conditions that created RRoD, are here for Xbox One...thus why anyone would say it's nearly impossible is simply hubris.
They also said there was no RROD issue with the 360 until their hand was forced......it's easy to say things.
Interesting. I don't really care I'm getting both consoles. Graphic power alone has never won a generation. Both consoles will have great looking exclusives.
true, price usually does and again Sony has the advantage.
And to think fanboys are STILL trying to make us believe that Xbox One is just as powerful as PS4 (or even more powerful, lol). We don't even need Edge's "insider sources" since third party developers (People Can Fly, Avalanche studios, Gaijin Entertainment, Just Add Water, etc) have already confirmed this information a dozen times over.
I'm sure Nukeitall will have a way. I stand corrected. He has. See above. ¬_¬
And people disagreed with me when this was EXACTLY what I said in one of the other articles. Jeez
So there you have it. PS4 > XBOX One in specs. Now it comes down to code.