"The developer behind PlanetSide 2 has heaped praise on PlayStation 4’s technical prowess, stating Sony’s next-generation console offers visuals comparable to that of high-end PCs."
Obviously if we look at ps4 specs: CPU - 12 cores @ 3,5GHZ GPU - 3.2 teraflops Ram - 10GB GDDR5
think he's being sarcastic
"PS4 offers visuals 'that rival high end gaming PCs" How can we know? PS4 isnt out yet. Meanwhile it has specs that rival very low end PCs. Atleast PS3 had specs that rivaled mid range pcs at launch. PS4 is low end before its even launched.
why you need the console to be out?? Shadow Fall and Second Son videos already prove that.
@decrypt "How can we know? PS4 isnt out yet." Yeah, let's not take the word of those clueless devs who make games for both platforms, what do they know? /s
PS4 rivals low-end PCs in paper but high-end in result. All because devs aren't pushing PCs to the max
"PS4 'optimized' visuals can rival current high end PC's" says PlanetSide 2 dev. there, title all fixed. Seeing as PC's will continue to get improved hardware, the fixed hardware of the PS4 (and XB1) will only get better optimization with what they have to work with. Until the days of a modular console, the PC will always have the hardware advantage. but hardware is only as good as the software and on a closed system like the PS4.....Sony has some very talented teams to make it work.
If the game looks that good on ps4 why don't they just show the footage instead of just talking trash
Talking trash? They're praising the console.
You forgot MEGA SUPER DUPER GIGANTO CLOUD powered by infinity plus 1.21 jimeeeliongawats inside an improbability drive. And you forgot this. /s
For price 399 us dollars, PS4 is stronger than PC(because its meant for gaming), but if you buy 700 us dollars PC, then its stronger than PS4. There is no question, PC can be upgraded forever, console you can´t.
I have no idea why all the disagrees. Indeed you can't buy a PC better than a PS4 for $400, because it is well done and made to run games. A gaming PC need to be powerful because of course, it won't only play games, but several other tasks to keep it up, and that's why we need to get PCs at higher prices to get same performance as PS4. But bad news for PS4: PCIe 4.0, DDR4 and SATA Express are going to launch in 2015/16, that will push consoles WAY down, and that's an example of PC being worth the price. But in the end, it all gets to games, exclusives, and what's more comfortable for you. For me, is a keyboard and mouse, for some, is a gamepad. In short, what he said can't be disagreed lol.
I can upgrade it, it will be called PS5
Um, at best the the PS4 is more or less equal to a mid range gaming laptop. Which isn't horrible but not even close to what a high end desktop can do. In the end it doesn't matter. No one buys a console to outperform a gaming PC anyway.
Bull! There are no mid range gaming laptop that can run a next gen game at 60fps 1080p like this game for example: http://n4g.com/news/1353543... Im a PC gamer and i know that cause i have a mid range gaming laptop. U need at least a HD7950 ($240) to play next and current gen games at 60 fps 1080p. Im sure some devs will make some games look similar to PC http://gamingbolt.com/witch...
@above- read 'em and weep. http://www.notebookcheck.ne... and seeing as how almost none of the next gen games so far are promised to run at 1080p and 60fps I would hold my breath on that statement if I were you. And turning down visuals/texture quality/particle effects/physics to run at a higher fps or faster refresh doesn't count. But as I said, no one buys a console honestly expecting to be anywhere near high end PC. Especially not early in the life-cycle of the system. Also here is an old APU playing crysis just to further refute your claims- http://www.youtube.com/watc... And here is a 7850m laptop playing Crysis 2 high settings - http://www.youtube.com/watc... I think you guys forget just how good visuals can be on a mid range PC. You act like its a horrible thing the consoles are mid range in comparison to a high end gaming PC. You should be extremely happy that the consoles have that much horsepower with more gains to come once they start fully optimizing for it. Seriously, saying a console has mid range capabilities is a compliment to the system.
I have what qualify as a mid range spec laptop.... (well my cpu is a little lacking but it's still faster than ps4's by a fair bit albeit dual core not quad) but my graphics card and RAM etc are all firmly mid range. It cost about £450. And that was after searching for cheapest price. I an tell you this thing hasn't got a hope in hell of matching some of the stuff the ps4 is running. Granted it was bought around xmas. But even allowing a years changes to hardware of which there aren't that many-a mid range laptop hasn't got anything on the next gen consoles.... So please stop talking crap...
@extermin8or Sorry buddy, your dualcore laptop rates only work-force entry level. There isn't a single dualcore laptop that is sold today that rates anything above entry level. So please, stop posting when you don't know what you are talking about. I just posted videos above of the first APU running crysis on high on an old laptop (not as old as yours obviously) as well as a link to the notebookcheck site to prove your statement as being a complete falsity. Matter of fact your dualcore laptop hasn't been "mid range" since 2008. Then to further my point I posted video of a 7850m running crysis 2 on high settings flawlessly. Again, proving my point with FACTS. Not a desire to defend a company/console beyond the point of absurdity ignoring all real, physical, scientific proof posted otherwise.
@JsonHenry I don't think you really understand what devs have been saying. More power doesn't actually equal better quality. Optimization does. You can have all the power in your PC but the total package of the game will be all over the place in presentation. FPS might be up, texture resolution might be up and particle effects might be up but that really doesn't mean jack if the devs don't optimize well. Take for example Crytek who act like Crysis is the greatest thing ever and that they believe they are the best devs ever. Yet when they put Crysis on consoles neither title matched Uncharted 2, TLoU, GoW3 or Ascension, Beyond TS or any of the KZ games. At the end of the day your talking raw power but a box designed with one main purpose and a simple constant can and will allow devs to better optimize games so that they do look better than high end PC' just using raw power. You simply can't just take it as the specs are higher and call it a day because that is only part of the story and not the final answer. I see high end PC games all the time but it's clear that they are not fully developed and then I see console games that are way more polished and look way better. At this point it has less to do with the hardware and more to do with the devs.
Are you from planet earth???
I think what they mean is avg high end. Not 2500 gaming pcs. Lets not.get upset u elitist out there =]
Have you seen what people do with a 700 dollar rig using a modded version of cryengine? Next gen consoles wont be able to match that even. Modders are getting very much more creative
OH YEAH? But have you seen what people do with a 700 dollar rig using a modded version of cryengine.....ON WEED?
K. For $400 you can get games that rival high-end PC's. Killzone Shadowfall for example, or Infamous SS. Besides, consoles are more for playing with friends on a casual basis, not for killing yourself over a missing pixel or some blur.
This article is sure to rile up the insecurity of PC fanboys.
This one will be the worst of these threads because PC nerds will get defensive AND it will somehow turn into a Microsoft vs Sony thing. Complete with the uses of: Micro$oft, M$, xbot, psdrone, etc. Clearly, those are hilarious and original every time they are used.
insecure? Gaming PC will be playing the same games only they will run faster and look better and they still have the option of using a controller and hooking it up to the TV
Why would we be insecure? Our hardware is better and makes games look better. This is quite simply unarguable. And to take the piss out of PC fans because you're a console fan, makes you a fanboy.
Why is correcting misinformation equated to being "insecure"? If someone calls your girlfriend fat when she is in fact thin and toned, does it make you insecure if you call that person out on their nonsense? Of course not. I don't care what people choose to game on. I know why I game on the PC and that is ultimately what matters to me. But console gamers are always saying things that simply aren't true and it's not right for those fallacies to spread and end up misinforming people.
@Cueil First party exclusives which are awesome cannot be played on the pc
@ Fallout 4 Consoles 'rile up the insecurity' of pc gamers about as much as civics rile up the insecurity of Ferrari owners.
With both consoles being based so strongly on pc tech, I wouldn't be surprised to see emulators available in a few years time.
oh hey typical comment calling people who state facts about PC gaming "elitists"
You can't mention the PC in a positive light on this site without insta-losing bubbles in most cases. My favorite is when someone tries to pass of that they "know" about PC gaming or what hardware is what and make a comment so stupid you can't help but laugh. Some of them are so funny I take screen prints and send them to my "elitist" PC gaming buddies and they all get a good laugh too.
'Facts' well for one you cannot get a $400 pc that plays games at the same level as a ps4... you just can't.... $800-$1000 then yeah maybe you can but really if you want to go gaming pc you're looking at $1 grand and up for it to have any real noticeable difference and even then the difference is pretty shallow.... Aesthetics are always nice but if a game plays shit it plays shit... You can put a pig in a suit but a pig it still is.
@extermin8or - 'facts'? Sorry to burst your bubble but $663 absolutely obliterates the ps4. GPU 7950 - $190 - 3.23 TFLOPS, 900 Mhz Core Clock, 28 Compute Units, 1792 Stream Processors, 112 texture units PS4 - 1.84 TFLOPS, 800 Mhz Core Clock, 18 Compute Units, 1154 Stream Processors, 72 Texture units http://www.tigerdirect.com/... CPU FX-8100 - $115 - 8 Bulldozer Cores, 2.8 GHz, 16 Mb Cache PS4 - 8 Kabini Cores, 1.6 Ghz, 4Mb Cache http://www.tigerdirect.com/... RAM 16 Gb DDR3 2133 Dual Channel @ 34 Gb/s - $128 + 3 Gb 384 bit GDDR5 @ 240 Gb/s = 19 Gb total with 274 Gb/s total available bandwidth PS4 - 8 Gb 256 bit GDDR5 @ 176 Gb/s total available bandwidth http://www.newegg.com/Produ... HD 500Gb, 7200 rpm, 32 Mb cache - $45 PS4 - 500 Gb, 5400 rpm, 8 Mb cache http://www.newegg.com/Produ... MB MSI 970 MB - $60 http://www.tigerdirect.com/... Case & Power Supply Coolermaster Case and Coolermaster 500 Watt Power Supply - $60 http://www.newegg.com/Produ... O/S Windows - $65 http://www.tigerdirect.com/...
@ Blackmagic That's hot, got me interested. But how do you know the PS4's HDD is 5400RPM/8MB cache? (even though that is exactly what i'd expect it be)
I don't know for sure but I would be VERY surprised to see otherwise. Here are some of the reasons I would be surprised to see a faster hard drive:
1. Historically, Sony (and Microsoft) have never put anything but the least expensive hard drives that they can negotiate into their consoles.
2. The price disparity between a 5400rpm laptop drive and a 7200rpm laptop drive is significant when you are building a box that only grabs $400 at the register.
3. A 7200 rpm laptop drive uses more power and produces more heat. More power means a bigger, more expensive power supply which also produces more heat. More heat impacts many more areas of design. The size and cost of the enclosure, how big, fast, loud and expensive the fans are, the size, efficiency and cost of various heat sinks etc
4. The 'mainstream' buyers looking at the 'specs' will never ever look past the number of gigabytes available.
p.s. It would probably be more than worth it to spend $15 more for a 1Tb 7200 rpm 64 Mb cache hard drive for a computer build.
I hope so, though I wasn't to encouraged by previous BF4 articles that stated otherwise
Also the witcher 3 dev said their will be no difference between pc on max settings and ps4 version. http://www.mondoxbox.com/en... http://gamingbolt.com/witch...
except that resolution difference... and the frame rate... also the higher levels of post processing... the Mods... the graphical mods... the ability to add post processing with things like RadeonPro... no just except that the console is the lesser method to play games at the highest level... there isn't anything wrong with being console only gamer you just miss out on all the separate action
Except CDPR said, that the best experience will be on PC. Which makes sense, because they're a PC developer first.
Here we go again. Console fans saying their consoles are cheaper than the equivalant PC. No shit. Sony and Microsoft sell $800 hardware at a deliberate loss so you can afford to buy the console in the first place. They get that money back in %age takes from game sales. There is no way in hell that Sony and MS have bought the hardware that they have bought at 50% off without some kind of deal being agreed where they give money over time. No chance.
Exactly. DICE have confirmed the following: 720p upscaled to 1080p. Mixture of medium and high settings. No AA. 60 FPS with drops below it expected. So..mid-ranged GAMING PC then. Why in the hell console fans downvote FACTS from the devs mouths just to piss off PC fans is beyond me. It is simple hardware limitations. End of argument. A PC with $100 more hardware in it will run it better. That is simple, physical, literal fact.
+1 bubble for knowing what you are talking about.
^Thats the Xbox one version for starters... THe PS4 version is running at a higher res than 720p just not quite 1080p... So as this is talking about PS4.... those facts are wrong already... And I read the interview myself there was no "mixture of medium and high" they explicitly stated "high settings". They said it would run at 60fps...I don't know where these "drops below" 'fact' came from.... (although even the highest end PC's sometimes drop below the frame rate they usually run in be it 60, 120 whatever- for whatever reason be it bug or anomolies, or sudden brief moments of high demand from the game for whatever reason). This console's specs may be equal to that of a so called mid range pc. (Although personally a $400 PC is low, $600 mid and 800-$1000 high and anything over that is going on to whatever is above high generally speaking.) But it's clear that developers are getting a much higher performance out of it than they would out of a PC because a PC game has to run on so many different pieces of hardware you can't ensure it runs well on one with optimisation if that optimisation is going to fuck up how it runs on another equally as powerful pc that's using a different manufacturers tech. Also I don't think you can really classify the console hardware in the way you would off the shelf PC hardware because in many cases there IS NO PC EQUIVALENT because it's been custom made, or custom modded. Just like some of the games are on PC.... A game like Skyrim can't really be compared to it's console counterpart if it's running 50 mods and is almost a different game on the PC to the console version. In the same way that the PC hardware can't really be compared to customised console hardware. So you're 'Facts' as you put it are all very well and good were they all actual 'facts'. I'm not saying that PC's aren't more powerful but when your PC's specs are as unlimited as your budget then ofc they could be more powerful if your budgets great enough. I don't understand this obsession with relying on DICE and BF4... Wait till the things out on the PC at least, it could release and you might hate it or it might not look as good as claimed then what? It's unlikely but possible. Simple fact. You go on about disagreeing with facts yet here you are disagreeing with a developer who's telling people that when optimized they have managed to get it to match the graphics high end machines play their games on currently. That would seemingly be a fact he's stating. Yet you're shouting him down.... His comment had nothing AGAINST PC gamers but was merely a point of comparison clear.
Also just to add as reprtedly the graphics drivers still aren't finished etc I don't think first gen games out for launch can be used to gage how powerful the consoles are.... Wait at the very least till early next year when some of the q1 games release and remember the consoles will continue to improve for a few years without a hardware change. It'll be a good 2-4 years before they really are maxing out their performance. Usually a new console rears it's head within a year of that happening this gen was just different.
I don't doubt it will look better on PC. But, will it look good enough on PS4... absolutely. Hell, even BF3 on PS3 looks great. How much graphics do we need? I enjoyed my C64 back in the day. I'll enjoy PS4 just the same all while PC owners bitch about something they have no interest in.
Battlefield 4 - 720p, Muddy Textures... My PC - 1440p, 60 FPS, Crisp and beautiful... Typical Sony PR, remember when EA said the same thing, what a joke. The PS4 isn't a high end PC, it's a entry to middle level PC, don't believe this PR propaganda.
Battlefield 4 - Not finished optimizing yet. Your PC - Who cares? "entry to middle level PC" How do you KNOW that? Highly optimized hardware can't just be categorized like that. It all depends on how good the developer is. One game could look like a mid settings game and the other a high settings game depending on the quality of the developer and their knowledge of the console architecture. @Ohlmay You cant "buy" PS4 components due to them being highly optimized and modified.
Same applies to the PC version of Battlefield 4. So now you're questioning DICE's game development skills, one of the best developers when it comes to optimizing PC architecture hardware since they've been PC developers for decades now. DICE is a top tier developer, you cannot damage control that. They would be pushing the PS4 to it's limits to run BF4. The PS4 is a entry to middle level PC, just based off it's hardware components. You can build a PC with PS4 components for around $500 - 600, that's middle to entry level.
Your 500 dollars pc would be outclassed by PS4,you can't buy ps4 custom components and games for ps4 would be optimized to the fullest given the fixed hw, while it can't be said for pc because everyone has pc with different specs.. You obviously are talking trash and know nothing.
@caffo Its not about specs mate, its about the games. PS4 barely has any games. Meanwhile PC has BC from the last 30 odd years. There is no comparison. Most of us bought 80-100 games on any platform during the current gen. Try playing any of those on the next console, they wont work. Any PC gamer can still play all those. So really the price arguement is clearly in favor of the PC.
@Ohimay it would cost about 800-900 dollars to build an equivalent PS4 from off the shelves and even trying to build it off the shelves you wont EVER get 8g of DDR5 I think 4 is the max. Also just architecture differences motherboards arent designed the same way as the ps4 apu is custom built for unique sharing of memory. Only people who never built a PC before could make an idiotic comment like that. Too many fake PC gamers on N4G.
@ decrypt "So really the price arguement is clearly in favor of the PC" While it isn't true because just like i have to buy a new console you have to upgrade some parts or even assemble an entirely new pc (and don't tell me you haven't upgraded anything in the last 7 years), we are talking about PS4 having similar performance to high-end pcs in this article.
And one more thing, if i've bought 80-100 games for the ps3 there's no way i'm selling my console. WHat does it tell you? that i don't need BC.
Well if this typical Sony , I am really eager to know your thoughts on this person:-
" there are no hardware restrictions that prevent x1 from 4k gaming"
That's because there aren't any? :P You can play pong in 4K if you want. So he's not telling lies. Just don't read too much into it.
4k pong on x1. Now that is true power of x1. I think it will take developers 2 to 3 years to reach there though :D
I think you just pwned yourself
"I think you just pwned yourself."
Lol. No bro. I was just having a little fun. Okay time to go serious. Neither x1 nor ps4 have the power to output 4k games. Now Yusuf mehdi wasn't referring to playing 4k pong on MS brand new baby right. That's PR nonsense and both MS And Sony should stay away from that.
Bf4 isn't out yet, how can you be so sure to run it at that resolution? I smell BS.
You know that the point of a console is to be able to squeek out every inche of power out of it. PC's they can't because they have to make the game work over a variety of different variations of the CPU, GPU and RAM. If it has the same specs as a mid level PC by the time they are done getting every inche of power out of it will outperform the mid range PC no problem. Then it's more comparable to the high end PC in terms of visuals with a lower frame rate then the high end PC would run it at. That is the benefit of having a console where ever single console has the same specs.
Woot people that understand how this works do exist... There's just loads of people that like to claim they do yet somehow totally ignore... this^ and if you want an example of such a lack of optimisation occuring on PC go play Rome 2 total war... then tell me optimisation wouldn't have helped it alot.
I thin i might finally bite and try planetside 2 once its out on Ps4. Got so many thing to play on pc that i can hardly think of looking for something else to play. Backlog would be years worth of gaming. Damn you steam summer sale.
Summer/xmas/black friday sales got Bob Dole's wallet by the nadsaq.... and the last two are coming up again real soon.