Microsoft is not the first name that comes to mind when you think of revolutionary chip design, but that perception is likely to change once the Xbox One and Kinect hit the market. The chip design in the game console and motion detection sensor are unlike anything on the market, at least at that price point.
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That's pretty damn good. The X1 is no slouch in graphics processing.
the article is ambiguous, can't make any sense out of it
@Redgehammer
the writer is mixing the Kinect chip with the AMD APU, proves he dosn't know what he is talking about.
http://techreport.com/news/...
"Microsoft's upcoming Xbox One gaming console will contain a custom chip the company designed in conjunction with Advanced Micro Devices with the aim of delivering maximum graphics performance"
http://www.pcworld.co.nz/ar...
Speaking at the Hot Chips engineering conference at Stanford University, Microsoft chip architect John Sell said the Xbox One’s main processor is a gargantuan beast, codesigned with Advanced Micro Devices and manufactured by contract chip manufacturer Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co.
http://venturebeat.com/2013...
sorry I could list many more sources that say the same thing.....Its a co designed chip between MS and AMD not a tweaked AMD chip
The difference is as is stated here
"The CPU and GPU are on a "very large single custom chip" created by AMD for Sony"
http://www.gamasutra.com/vi...
SONY did not design or co design the custom chip this was all AMD so no, spin it however you will the same can not be said of the PS4.
BF4 720p/60fps
Forza 5 less cars than Forza 4, no real time weather or day/night or global illumination...so sad
Dead Rising 3 "We're targeting 30 frames a second," lol
http://www.tomshardware.com...
''AMD's Vice President of Global Communications and Industry Marketing John Taylor recently "elaborated" on the APU that is packed in Sony's semi-announced PlayStation 4 console. He said the new gaming console is the first announced design win based on a semi-custom AMD APU which was >> jointly << developed in >>>coordination <<< with Sony''
so who's spinning things here ME or U ??
LMFAO
"jointly << developed in >>>coordination <<< with Sony''
WTF so SONY supervised, oversaw the development of the chip AMD MADE however you want to put it.
This is still not the same thing dude as co designed or working in conjunction with AMD they didn't physically assist with its creation they said yay or nay to different design schematics AMD would put forward and would put forward a few suggestions that is really the nuts and bolts of what " jointly developed in coordination with SONY" means.
I am not spinning nothing as I am not the one who is so quick to dismiss something just because I do not like the company or the platform it happens to be on.
Check my history 70% of the time I try to paint a balance of opinion between both consoles yet at the same time yes I have a preference and yes that is the X1 BUT still I don't right the PS4 off just because it happens to be SONY either. I think it is a very awesome console just not my first choice.
Even high end PC require separate hardware to do something similar, let alone a $500 console.
MS has a chip for just about anything from encoding/decoding video, audio and so on.
Xbox One is a beast, and that is why games like Ryse is the best looking game on any console!
@thechosenone:
DriveClub still 1080p at 30fps, aiming and prayig it might hit 60fps.
Forza 5 always been 1080p at 60fps!
Same genre, same type of game, and both launch titles except PS4 has supposed easier development and 50% more raw power. What does that tell you?
Somebody is lying and the proof is right there!
This seems like a transition to me.
"Then came the Kinect group, and that was even more impressive."
What do you think 'windows' means? Huge facepalm.
Microsoft's chip looks decently engineered for media like but not that impressive for games by 2013 PC standards. PS4 has the hardware advantage no question and it'll still have a vast amount of media capability to satisfy most people.
The beauty of having a much more powerful GPU optimised for modern compute standards with better queuing ability than Xbone means Sony can load up the GPU with extra general compute tasks.
"Same genre, same type of game, and both launch titles except PS4 has supposed easier development and 50% more raw power. What does that tell you? "
as it's been pointed out time, and time again: everything's baked, there are less cars, smaller environments, etc... in forza. driveclub has dynamic lighting, more cars, and much larger environments. what does that tell you? because it tells everyone else that driveclub is doing much more to push the hardware than forza. you're going to look awfully foolish when driveclub achieves 60fps, *and* does all of the things froza doesn't.
ryse struggles to maintain 30fps, and DR3 is struggling to even hit 30fps. what does that tell you? killer instinct, a fighting game that is not exactly resource heavy, isn't even 1080p. what does that tell you?
and yes, there certainly has been a lot of lying... but none of it has even come from sony or the devs making their games.
Ryse best looking WHAT?!?
Put some glasses on, you need it LOL
http://s18.postimg.org/cnfm...
The X1 definitely is no slouch, it's a powerful gaming consoles with many amazing features as well as a host of titles that fans are eager to play. There's no argument there. Where there is an argument is where people look at MSs games, then look at Sonys games and still consider MS to be on top. Seeing games from both and claiming you can't see a power difference. Or even worse that MS games look or play better.
I'm not blind and if you're reading this and playing video games then I'm fairly certain that you aren't blind either. In every comparison video of any game chosen we see far more "special effects", next-gen visuals, going on in the PS4 games.
I completely understand having a favorite game or a favorite console or even a favorite company but don't let that blind you.
We all agree Titanfall looks incredibly fun
We all agree The Division looks amazing
We all laughed at Call of Duty having a dog and "fish that move out of your way"
Why is it that we disagree on this???
Microsoft wasted a huge bunch of their transistor budget with on die memory and audio Co processors. A massive amount of that die is just eSRAM which Sony don't need and used for more GPU space. It's clever in the sense that it's all integrated onto one die but also stupid in that they are going to give away a lot of graphics performance to PS4. THEY JUST WILL!
Xbox one's single die is admirable engineering but at the end of it they will be killed on games performance. They will be. This discussion shouldn't even still be going on. For sure they will be. I'll guarantee it now.
Sony built the better games focused hardware and then added extra off die processing after and it's just better for the future. They can integrate all that on one die 18 months down the line anyway with the next die shrink to 20nm. That'll be ready this time next year actually.
By deciding to stuff everything on one chip Microsoft Have made sure the console is cheap to make and simpler but it'll never be as powerful as spreading other processes onto separate chips like ps4 does and using the main die budget for the most important games hardware.
FACT. MS Made a dependable machine based around a DD3 setup...chucked a load of custom silicon to aleviate the bandwidth issues. You spout about these "15 processors magic" Do you actually know what these are? If you did, you wouldn't be touting them as some secret sauce. And please for the love of god, STOP posting about the bandwidth figures, they are borked and you know they are. Only 32meg of data can be utilised in the EDRam, Sony has....well they have it all (minus overheads) running at its maximum. But please, carry on...Its hilarious seeing you squirm, like you have since E3.
Sony got lucky as larger GDDR5 modules became available, but also chucked a load of custom silicon inside to further enhance. All this before the vastly superior GPU is plonked in 8)
MS created the XB1 as best they could in the time available using the resources set aside.
Sony did exactly the same..only struck gold once the large modules became available.
Simple.
See you in November.
But oh boy, those special purpose processors seems very exotic. If they can offload CPU/GPU processes then the whole architectural design is a BEAST indeed.
I mean to the person that is so use to putting basic components together and relying on raw specs, compared to reading and looking at the pics it's just a beautiful symphony...IMO at least.
If the design can truly have strong sustainable numbers, then Xbox One is truly powerful along with it's feature...truly next gen.
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@Doesus
WHOA!
32megs of eDRAM?!
Just stop it. You downplaying the 15 MCUs alone goes to show how much you don't know about them. And how you make the common assumption by most of you dimwitts claiming that just because the eSRAM has only 32mbs it ONLY HOLDS 32mbs at a time.
The eSRAM is more like a scratchpad memory where it "spits out" chunks (32mb) of data for rapid use, so GB/s (204GB/s peak) of data for use by the GPU. Then comes in the 15 MCUs where it then compress and scale textures and helps in offloading. Therefore leaving the GPU for graphics ONLY.
http://www.geek.com/games/d...
http://n4g.com/news/1353541...
http://www.gamechup.com/war...
http://n4g.com/news/1263235...
http://n4g.com/news/1304933...
The devs have spoken, one of them even said that us gamers will be blown away by the graphical difference between the two consoles in a year or two and....why would Microsoft be looking at ways to upgrade what they have already at the last minute? They recently made insignificant upgrades to the GPU speed, 6% to be more exact, and upgraded the graphics drivers that the developers have so that they can fine tune better their games. They know they have a disadvantage but they can't let the competiton get away with it so easily, so they will say whatever they can and try their best with the hardware they already have but it can only go so far, if they upgraded only 6% then that's the best thay can do.
Facts are facts, they will talk and talk, but nothing will change unless they change their hardware and it's too late for that.
The Playstation 4 is 30% to 50% more powerful.
DEAL WITH IT MICROSOFT!
20% more power and yet their games are graphically identical to the Xbox One.
There has been just as many devs who have gone on record to say that the differences will be miniscule at best.
I'm sure both consoles will produce abslute stunning effects in a year or two. But I doubt one will have a huge leap over the other.
Special processors: dedicated to audio for kinect use makes sense.
Freakisly powerful: Not really Sony already/also said they have the most powerful hardware
Power of cloud: Not really yes it is freely available to al devs because of low pricing. Though no services such as gaikai are yet beeing used as Microsoft deems this to expensive
Kinect: great piece of tech but remains to be seen if usefull for gaming
Skype: no 3d skype maybe on ps4
In the end the games will have to proof which console might or might not be better
"15 special processors that can handle things like graphics and physics processing."
You see, that's why the gpu, that can do 1.3 TFLOPS can compete with the gpu in the ps4 that does 1.8 TFLOPS. Those 15 special processors take an incredible load off of the GPU...It makes the xbox one more efficient. That's the part of the "ON PAPER" argument that fanboys don't understand, until developers for BOTH consoles get their hands on it and can talk about it. Which leads me to the fact that a developer already said he was surprised at ONE of the consoles power. Which only means that architecture in the xbox one surprised him because on paper the ps4 looked to be more powerful. If you use commons sense, it's easy to understand why the 15 special processors obviously make a HUGE difference in the performance of the system.
"The result is a chip and system that are freakishly powerful and would make any PC gamer drool. The DRAM can access the CPU cache at a rate of 30GB/sec. and non-CPU cache at 68GB/sec. The embedded RAM can transfer data at a rate of 204GBs/sec to different parts of the chip."
Once again, the custom architecture is showing that simple numbers mean very little. It's another aspect of their custom design that makes the xbox one freakishly powerful. Which would explain why Microsoft has stated that its capable of doing 4k games. Something that Sony has confirmed that the ps4 can't do! If you take off your fanboy glasses, it all makes sense. But that's something that ON PAPER stats won't show. It's complicated for MS to explain this to fanboys who only want to hear about TFLOPS from the GPU. LOL....There is much more to it. Developers are surprised....Why is that? LOL
"Microsoft used PC standards – an x86 CPU, a DirectX 11 GPU and DDR3 memory – but it threw out the traditional PC architecture to create a beast."
This is all from HOTCHIPS....MS has built a custom BEAST and the key word once again is architecture....Not raw simplistic numbers...They have architecture that takes the workloads that GPU's normally have to do, and put them in DPU's...15 special custom ones....That means the GPU operates more efficiently....
Very good read, super excited for the xbox one...super excited for when the NDA lifts and we get more specific details on the architecture that we have had a small peak of....Sure people thought there was a DGPU....I was one of them, but the inside information never said that, he only gave tidbits and people ran with it...What we do know to be a fact just based off of HOTCHIPS, is that the CPU/GPU is massive and incredibly customized...and MS reps have said over and over again, that the specs on paper that everyone is throwing around doesn't tell the entire story....September 30th, we should get more of the story!
Slobberknocker below me....
Its a fact that MS has stated on several occasions that the xbox one is fully capable of doing 4k games. Obviously the 15 custom DPU's have a lot to do with that. Just because you don't understand something...doesn't mean it's not capable...I know fanboys want to believe MS is lying, but HOTCHIPS proves their is much more than meets the eye and still some info in the gpu that is UNKNOWN as of now.
"Which would explain why Microsoft has stated that its capable of doing 4k games."
Dude just stop right there and snap out of your delusion. Even a high end pc with a freaking TITAN in it can't properly do 4k gaming. Just stop.
Lol delusion is all time high in n4g. You are saying to me x1 is capable of 4k gaming yet ryse, dead rising 3 are not even able to achieve 60fps in 1080p. Are you nuts or what?
uh no... MS has never said that 4K games were possible, or is this another delusion you've read from misterx and his "insider" who has been wrong at every single turn (yet you keep drinking that kool-aid). you're probably taking them saying that xbone supports 4K resolution to mean that they could do 4K resolution games.
4K support will be limited to video playback, not games, on both xbone and PS4.
"Sure people thought there was a DGPU....I was one of them, but the inside information never said that"
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/...
uh... that's *exactly* what this so-called "insider", and misterx were saying... that there was a dGPU. you even spammed this place (in almost every single thread you posted in) with that nonsense. and now you're spewing this DPU nonsense... more wishful thinking that's going to end up in sheer disappointment.
and there isn't even any proof that a NDA even exists, yet you keep bringing it up. given the track record of your "sources", you're definitely in for a big surprise, but it's not going to be anywhere near as great as you think it is. for all we know, it could all be kinect-related.
games on X1 are not even close to the graphics of INFamous, DD or KZ..
actually 5 to 10 fps increase its not 10 or 15% better performance its actually 23 to start...
But Im not suprised by sony's actions they did the same thing in 2005 when they put up a lot of numbers and showed a lot of movies saying it was "gameplay"( Im still waiting on that version of motorstorm I saw
MS was showing real gameplay on PC dev kits in 2005 and everyone was saying the same thing then as they are now
Ask any dev or gaming journalists and they will tell you sony has a bad history with over promising about console performance from the duck demo and "Toy story Graphics" in 2000 to the movies in 2005
The keep hearing the ps4 is x amout more powerful I heard the same thing last gen and we saw how that turned out
I think it was the producer at square enix not sure look it up but he said the same thing my brother in law that does network code for activision
YOU CANT COMPARE CUSTOMIZE SYSTEMS BY JUST LOOKING AT NUMBERS
Like for example the ps4 has a more compute shaders but MS has 15 or more special processors that the ps4 dont
Its common sense if I have a system that is 50% more powerful and its easier to develop for(which most devs have been saying about the ease of development) I dont care how much time or even if I had crappy developers which is not the case sony has some of the best developers in the game
With that big of a gap it would be noticed from the jump
I expected this attitude from sony thinking about 2005 but what I didnt expect that people would fall for the same thing twice
It Depends on what the FPS "Frames Per Second" that you comparing it to. If it is 60FPS 10% of that would be 6 FPS faster 20% would be 12 FPS faster which is probable closer to what the PlayStation is able to do. Sony's PlayStation going to have the largest percentage at a higher resolutions and a lower percentage at a lower resolutions.
what are you talking about? Sony's games look way better graphically and its nearly 50% more powerful.
Sure there are some devs who say that differences are miniscule but thats mainly because they are developing for both consoles and they are not going to cause a rift between either of them. And there have been a lot of indie devs and others like Guerrilla and Sucker Punch who have continuously given praise to the PS4.
You ever herd of Emotion Engine and toy story graphics? What about the head guy at Sony stating you better get two jobs to buy a PS3. Just sure arrogance that the PS3 was going to kick the 360's ass. What about a Network that was hacked and it took Sony 5 days to admit it? Tons of credit cards and personal information was stolen.
All I'm saying is don't believe Sony Shit don't stink either. You all want Microsoft to do bad in this new Generation, but why? Comeptition is good for the consumer. Without it you wouldn't be getting a PS4 or a 180 with DRM.
Playstation being 30%-50% powerful? The gpu is technically weaker by 40.67%, but msoft have a better cpu by atleast 9% customizations done to the cpu that we cannot calculate. The esram set up msoft have going may be worthwhile and it could very well surpass sony's gddr5 memory bandwidth- only time will tell how much the x1 can use of the theoretical 272gb/ps. Finally 50 Micro processors (MCU)- 15 of which can be used for graphics and physics calculation. Have you factored that into your equation?
The fact is the the x1 hardware is very customised and none of us can confirm the maximum output of the system since the architecture is not something we are use to.
These Sony trolls will have you believe the gpu is all that matters and will ignore any customizations X1 has- But guess why? Thats because the PS4 is devoid of custom architecture, and if you say otherwise then you contradict the many devs that claim its easy to develop due its "friendly" architecture.
The devs have not spoken. An annonymous dev allegedly spoke. Without a source or a name, what was said means nothing. Hideo Kojima has praised the Xbox One. http://gamingbolt.com/hideo...
No disagrees please. They are messy and leave stains on the carpet.
ps4 is 50% more powerful
no now xbox one is better
who cares, games will decide which is better
seriously trolls on gaming sites spend more time trolling than actually playing any games, why can't we all just get along like a big gaming community?
enjoy ps3/xbox360/pc/wiiu now and later on we will enjoy next gen consoles
" John Sell, the Xbox One's chip architect, said that the chance of defects was high because the chip was so complex, but Microsoft had designed in redundancies into the chip so that if one section was inoperable, it doesn’t kill the whole chip and we don't have a return of the dreaded Red Ring of Death."
On one hand this is a good thing (nobody wants RRoD pt2), on the other hand if the processor carries on working whilst one (or several) of these custom processors is crippled, then a lot of people won't be getting the full power of the system.
I'm sure the chip will make up for the 'broken' part, but at what cost to overall performance?
If the yields are so low, there could easily be a situation where the majority of XB1 APU's would be gimped in some way without the end-user even knowing about it.
I welcome anybody (with technical knowledge) to explain to me how this isn't a potential problem.
People are way overestimating microsoft and feeding into their bull
Now for those who have some commons sense, I will help you understand a few things about both consoles.
Facts ONLY:
1. Xbox One is a lot more customized than the ps4. MS spent 2 times as much money to AMD and at HOTCHIPS they showed aspects of the system that was massive and unique. Everyone who has annalyed it, has stated that it's freakishly powerful and there is some aspects missing.
2. Microsoft has stated on several occasions that the xbox one can do 4k gaming. Sony has confirmed that their hardware can only do 4k for video & pictures. If you don't believe that MS said that, google it. Now with that said, obviously their highly customized hardware is the reason why it can do 4k gaming. You know that hardware that many still don't understand. The custom architecture that makes the xbox one more efficient. 15 specialized processors for graphics, audio, etc...We all agree that a simple 1.3 TFLOP GPU ALONE can't do 4k gaming. No one disagree's with that. But my question is, "What in the custom desing helps the gpu run more efficiently and can get the console to run 4k games at some point?
"The xbox one GPU is split in two .. Host & Guest. Makes two GPU's not discrete. There is a specialized Direct X DPU. Coprocessor as well .. it can do apps and Graphics branching also. Host And guest GPU's can run separate. And can run together like crossfire but not the same technology. There is extra esram for host and guest that is not a part of the normal 4 x 8 32mb esram. You do not need massive TFLOP numbers to do ray tracing you need specialized coprocessor as this is not brute force.. Coprocessors are extremely hard to get the exact figures. When we are think of standard pc architecture make up against xbox one technical aspects. One thing is for sure xbox one is more powerful then ps4 based on the highly customized architecture.. If anyone thinks Microsoft is just going to design a custom audio chip and 15 specialized processors, then dump a basic low end GPU in and send it out to market it as high end your just a fanboy of the other console."
Host & Guest GPU picture in xbox one architecture
http://misterxmedia.livejou...
The 50% more power on paper that Sony Fans throw around is simple math from the ram difference & the TFLOP difference. It doesn't take into consideration the Guest GPU in the diagram, the specialized audio chip that has 2 cores for game audio only, and the 15 specialized processors for graphics, physics, & other things. You know the stuff that is too complicated to explain besides in simple words like "The Xbox One is a powerful beast" and it's the only next gen console that will be capable of 4k gaming"...MS will release more info on the custom tech in the xbox one, end of September. Developers have only recently received the NEW Stereo drivers for development which unlocks more aspects of the tech for their games. Up until recently all previous games have been shown using the Mono Driver.
Ahahahaha.... Xbone can do 4k gaming, huh? At what... 5fps? Sony's not trying to pull any BS like that. They're not "supporting" 4k gaming because they know that the framerate would be absolute garbage, so they're not trying to mislead anyone into expecting a 4k game. ("supporting" is very different from "capability"... I don't think the PS4 "supports" the original Pong either) So what 4k game does the Xbone have coming out? In development? Rumored, even? They claim it will be "up to the devs." What about their 1st party studios?
MisterXmedia is taking gullible folks for a ride with his fake-ass "insider." Funny how the spelling and grammar of this "high level" insider are so atrocious... just like MisterX's.
The E3 Ryse demo hiccuped to 18fps running at 1080p. The hell you think's gonna happen to a game trying to run at 2160p... pushing literally FOUR TIMES the pixels of 1080p? Well, to oversimplify, 18fps/4=4.5fps... as I said... "4k at what... 5fps?" Even if you want to be generous and start with 30fps, 30/4=7.5fps. If you want to be even more generous and say 60fps, 60/4=15fps.
Ah well... http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic....
See you in November.
Co designed by Microsoft... That's been publicially stated countless times by everyone..
So many people want to bash Xbox yet they do zero research on it... They hear something and start copy and pasting it without ever actually looking to see if its true.
Watching them try to spin rumor and flat out lies is hilarious.. They did the same thing with the ps3 and then cried when everyone bashed them about it... And now they are doing it again.. Lol
Sony tweaked theirs
but if i was a XB1 game it would be filled with HATE and laughter.
http://n4g.com/news/1353328...
too many fanboys on this site.
I'm actually looking forward to seeing what the XB1 can do with all it's processors.
The PS4 is pretty much a simple design. Very capable at gaming but as a Techie the XB1 just seems more appealing from a HARDWARE point of view.
Yours was the first post in this article to mention hate, fanboys or the ps4. Troll harder next time.
Dead Rising3 and Ryse are not even at a steady 30FPS yet
BF4(only console version demoed was on the PS4 ironically) and CoD both run at 60FPS
so I don't see your point.
You have a go at Ati_elite as follows
"Yours was the first post in this article to mention hate, fanboys or the ps4. Troll harder next time."
And end by calling him/her a troll kind of the pot calling the kettle black don't you think
Or are you always a straight up hypocrite.
I count at least 6.. Why are you even in here reading this? was this article about ps4? Howd you find your way here?
Talk about calling someone else a troll.. Look in the mirror
PlayStation has always been about games. But now it has the power to boot. So while I agree with you about XB1 innovating the television viewing experience. PlayStation will be pushing the boundaries of console gaming.
My 360 and ps3 gamertag have the word blackman in it, because that's my last name. When I'm on 360 playing COD MW2, I get called the n-word and every other dirty word, probably every five minutes on average.
PS3? I don't remember once being called a derogatory term while play COD BLOPS. It's funny how different the communities can be.
One of the main reasons I stopped playing MP on 360, I just got pissed off with the constant drone of 12 year olds insulting my mother and some douche thinks his music is awesome that he has to share it with everybody.
Not saying the PS3 had none of this, but it was far far less than on PS3.
Sorry to hear that, not sure if they were americans dropping the n bomb (probably were considering xbox is home to america). But you can't forget if the userbase is kids its due to xbox releasing a year early and a cheaper price to the ps3.
This time its reversed- ps4 is cheaper releasing a week early and it seems overwhelmingly popular in america- so you may have to deal with kids on the ps4.
I also beleive you did not witness similar experiences on ps3 because not everyone has a headset since it was not bundled with the system therefore chances are far less compared to xbox with bundled headsets.
Lastly change your gamertag, you will have a smoother experience until racism becomes less prevalent.
stop been a blind fanboy, and gve some credit to devs that goes extra mile
dislike all u want but it won't change the facts
Have you played both games? I have. Drive Club doesn't even look that impressive. But you carry on basing your views on some jpegs and gifs you've seen. Why are the developers so hesitant to show direct footage of the game? I can only imagine what the reaction would be on here had Turn 10 done the same.
But like you said, wait till the game comes out. You'll see.
NO i have NOT and will not i'm more into other genera then racing
my point it's not a rocket since to hit 60 f/s look at COD does it every year but DICE went with more physics then frame rate and BF3 was why better in my opinion the COD ''ps360''
so if a game offers better environment with lower frame rate i go with it
2 months to go
There is direct footage of driveclub... ^^
I guess you just happen to miss the fact that those PS4 articles attract the same sort of attention and hate/derision from XB1 fans...? You might also want to keep an eye out for the blind hope that gets thrown around by MS fans on here, because it happens. A lot.
It goes both ways. Neither side can claim to be the blameless victim and both sides display blind faith in the PR machines from their chosen console's makers and 1st party developers.
You also seem to have missed the news that there are XB1 games struggling to hit 1080p 60fps.
In short, you come off as a fanboy.
Lol, no, no, no not even close that's where your wrong my friend. MS troll PS articles yes I see it daily as well but it pales NOTHING in comparison to what Sony fans do daily to X1 articles. It's mind boggling.
Posting examples do no good here, since you and every other Sony fans will absolutely not see a difference.
Like at all.
For 2 seconds if you weren't a fanboy you will absolutely see what I'm talking about.
Sony has ruled this website.
Anything else is shut down.
You cant change it so just enjoy your news and talk shit when you feel like losing some bubbles its all sony here, and if you don't like it then ... disagree... lol
It would be great if the whatever group is the majority would take the high road and let bygones be bygones, but we all know that will never happen. Most of the people crying foul now would be on the attack if their group was the larger, and most of the people trolling now will cry foul if they become the minority.
Humans...
I usually don't do this but Bub+ for admitting that the majority of the Sony fan base take over this particular site.
Its not everyday I see a Sony fan admit to that. I say lets just be gamers. I mean we are fellow gamer lets just have great conversations with out dismembering one another over which console is better preference is fine, everyone has a preference.
I don't come here to argue (not intentionally at least)but to discuss and talk about our common hobby, games.
"We haven’t confirmed fps yet except to say that we’re currently running 1080p@30fps. While the PS4 is the most powerful games console the world has ever seen it doesn’t make 60fps achievable by default. The tracks in #DriveClub are vast with fully dynamic illumination. The interiors and exteriors of every car in every race are rendered in staggering detail and the underlying physics system is incredibly fluid so that driving feels authentic and responsive. On top of that there’s a lot of live connectivity happening in and around the races too to serve up challenges and reward you and your club for everything you do."
Drive Club is doing A LOT more and it looks way better that Forza. If they can achieve 60fps without sacrificing graphic fidelity that would be very impressive.
See, the thing about DriveClub is that it's a true next gen game. It's pushing so many new features, and so many intense resource-heavy graphical features that NO other next gen game so far is doing. Every single aspect of the game, weather, physics, etc, is completely dynamic. So yeah, maybe they're having a hard time reaching their goal of 60fps, but that's not surprising considering this is still a launch title.
Compare it to Forza 5. Forza looks pretty good and runs at 60fps. However, that 60fps is easily achievable because the game uses static pre-baked lighting as opposed to dynamic global illumination, no day/night cycle, no real-time weather, everything in the game is static. So while Forza 5 does look better than 360 games, it's only a next gen game by platform. It's being built on current gen tech. It's a current gen game with a partially next gen appearance.
I guarantee you can't find one article, one sentence that says forza 5 has anything pre baked.
If the lighting in FORZA 5 wasn't pre-baked, would Turn 10 not have 'corrected' people on this by now? Would they (or Microsoft for that matter) allow this 'rumour' to be perpetuated to the point of saturation if there was no truth in it?
Turning your argument on its head, can you show me a single article where Turn 10 deny using pre-baked lighting? If they weren't we'd have heard by now.
Who's to say that PS4 couldn't run FORZA at 120fps?
You serious? Why would Turn10 have to deny anything if they've already explained the lighting?
http://www.nowgamer.com/fea...
"The image-based lighting from Forza 4?
No, no, this is new. This is the material system we’ve brought to the Xbox One, where no material has a color or texture, it has properties and interactions with light. We can literally go in and go ‘This surface is concrete, no, we’re going to make it asphalt, no, we’re going to make it gun metal’, and it just works in the environment. We don’t have to go in and tweak the lighting and the shading like we have in the past; everything works with light the way it’s supposed to.
That’s really key, because with the power of Xbox One we don’t want to go off and have to deal with eight times the complexity of an air environment. We had to invest in the technology to be able to build smarter. It goes all the way back to how we used laser-scanning, which doesn't just give us surfaces, it gives us color and texture as well. We can bring it back as reference for the artists and quickly bring it up to that quality we’re going for."
You can't do that with baked lighting. Forza 4 used IBL...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
There is nothing there that you or anyone else can spin and say they went backwards from Forza 4 and used baked lighting in Forza 5.
Who's to say PS4 couldn't run Forza at 120fps? It can't run DC at 60 fps and nearly every preview puts Forza ahead in visuals.
What DC is doing, what Forza does are forms of Global Illumination.
Forza does more under the hood than DC also. Engine, tire(heat,grip etc), damage, engine swaps and tuning. Driveclub has NO tuning options and it leans towards arcade like Project Gotham.
You can't find ONE article or sentence that refutes what I just posted. But I know you'll spout something from the top of your head with no proof(like your post here) which wouldn't mean anything at all. Proof that it's baked or GTFO...
The usual crap from MS, back it up with something MS!!
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@Insomnia seriously what is your problem?
What "crap is MS telling you? Everything that these companies are telling us now is PR.
PR: http://n4g.com/news/1336933... Aug 21
PR: http://www.playstationlifes... June 19
Again PR: http://www.techradar.com/us... July 5
And yes the cloud being able create bigger and persistent worlds and apparently calculate graphics is all PR as well and remains to be seen. I wanna see proof of that as well.
All summer long Sony is touting this. And guess what? I believe it, I believe Sony's machine has some significant edge in Processing over MS's machine. But it absolutely won't be night and day in graphics between the two that so many many are desperately trying to believe.
Sony said the same thing with PS3. Yes I know the PS4 is WAY easier to develop for than PS3.
But why would MS not come out of the gate unprepared in bringing the next gen expectations?
It will be in the first party line up and subtle differences in third party kinda like this gen.
But if you wanna to continue the popular belief PR lie, crap that MS is "doing" then have fun.
Ryse is currently struggling to achieve 30fps, Forza, well enough said,halo? Halo? When the fcuk did halo, get shown running @60fps?
JUST WAIT!!!'!!!!!!
Edit: Okay so he makes all this assumptions according to this
http://www.hotchips.org/wp-...
Which basically means what we already know. Ps4 is still the stronger hardware. I thought this was new information etc but it isnt.
So anything the X1 has the PS4 has too?
http://www.gamasutra.com/vi...
He talks dedicated chips.
Psfanboys/trolls of the world UNITE!!!!
KI and Forza 5 day one.
AND... even if this article wasn't mumbo jumbo, the PS squad would still be here in force acting like some sort of superior race... pathetic.
It's not the fact that it's positive news. It's the fact it's made up added together tech talk, by someone who does not know what they are talking about.
Just like added edram bandwidth to ddr3 bandwidth to come up with magical numbers.
Yes both consoles will have fantastic looking games.
But people need to accept the fact the PS4 is more powerful.
If the ps4 is more powerful and it shows in the second year lets say, well most of us will concede to that and i for one will turn on ms for many reason, especially when they know sony was going to bring the guns, either way ill have both my preorders and i will enjoy what both have to offer
PS4's CPU specs aren't actually known yet, so that's not a fact.
It's not IF.
http://slumz.boxden.com/f13...
That was original specs, xboxone is now 13.1 gigapixel.
Theres a big difference and it'll be known DAY 1.
The FCC confirmed that PS4's CPU's clock speed is 2GHz with a max speed of 2.75GHz.
It's still much faster than the Xbox One's CPU
the only thing am bothered about is most games are becoming online games i just hope that sonys psn does not hamper the xbox live version.
Is that why there's nothing but negative stories on the news?
Speaking of football(American, anyway), is that why the "butt fumble" will never be forgotten?
Is that why Syria is in the news every day? Because they're doing something right?
People like to gossip; it's rarely about anything good. The rumors that fly around various circles are usually of the same type.
No, we immortalize the historically bad just as much as we do the historically great.
You'd just like to grab onto that to make you feel better about what has been on the historically abysmal side, but concerns a company you love, for whatever reason.
A little something from the article.
Microsoft “has been late on their drivers and that has been hurting them,” said one source. Another described Xbox One’s graphics drivers less charitably as “horrible”
Bubbles + funny