Microsoft reminding gamers that they’ve done a “180″ on DRM for the Xbox One, sends newsletter
Reeks of desperation.
smells of clarity
The top of the letter, instead of saying "We designed the Xbox One to be your Xbox One", it should say "we changed our stupid policies for you to pre-order our console"
LOL I thought they actually wrote "We went 180" or something like that. Then proceeded to rename it to Xbox 180 and sent a newsletter
I never thought MS is this dumb to think thier fans would take what ever bullshit that MS give them. it get so bad that I feel sorry for xbox fans this generation.
Sometimes it is better to not highlight your recent gaffs and just get on with it. Why remind gamers you nearly screwed them over? It does reek of desperation. If your product is great it will sell. Stop chasing people!
And do I detect a hint of minty freshness? It only reads as anything but a straight-forward ad to anyone but informed gamers that know about the original incarnation of Xbox One.
This is old but good for them. Play games.
Have we really done that much trauma to their entire market share by simply expressing a truth about us? I hate it when a company throws out trust in their consumers. This is why I don't even consider the Xbox one a gaming console. It does not matter about the 180 stories they keep coming out with. What matters most is their view on us. And because their first impression took us by, not just a little but, a huge shock. I can no longer consider the Xbox brand because of their distrust in us as a possible consumer.
Well they should of wrote how much the console sucks and go buy a ps4 instead lol
The real bad thing about this is they are ADVERTISING something that is revoked, but at least one of their executives says will come back. When the time is right (as soon as they reach a few million sold). I can see it now, 10 share limit! Good news we now have the 10 share feature(limit) back. Bad news you already lent your game out too many times. It can't be checked back in to your machine, your friend owns it now! Good news you now can trade your game in to a approved retailer (for a fee). Not you! mom and pops, screw you! PS we are STILL not sharing the fee with developers and publishers we just use them as a excuse to talk you into not protesting paying a trade in fee for something you 'own', and being told where you can sell it at(is that price fixing?)! Good news it took us a few years to sell enough to bring back the 24 hour check in. Bad news xboxtwo will be out in one year, and we will shut down the severs, just like we did for the original xbox. Meaning your xboxone will not have any severs to check into in another year. Just buy the next xbox, or a 360!
Also gotta mention, you guys are saying this is desperate?? It's a newsletter sent out (much like Sony is doing with the PS4) to remind you of the features the Xbox One has. Did we all forget how you guys were red flagging Microsoft for having bad marketing skills?? Is this not super clear, concise, and very informative for people to understand. Next Microsoft is going to announce a white Xbox One nd you'll find something negative to say there too! Meanwhile, Sony hears infinite praise. I'm buying both day one, but it's not going to surprise me in the slightest when a couple years down the road Sony or Microsoft or both at the same time will bring back the same policies the Xbox One was going to do originally. 100% guaranteed.
"Is this not super clear, concise, and very informative for people to understand." Yes, it is. What's unfortunate is that the implied premise is a dirty, dirty lie. "We designed the Xbox One to be your Xbox One..." Let's not kid ourselves with semantics and word games... This is a flat out dirty lie. We all how that the current policies they've spun themselves into are far from what they intended when "[they] designed the Xbox One." P.S. Funny they didn't add "YOUR choice to use our data-harvesting camera." P.P.S. Funnier... "YOUR schedule...walk the dog, check the score. With Xbox One you can suspend and resume gameplay instantly, even in the middle of a battle." I do think suspend/resume is pretty neat, if they let you use Netflix or play another game or go into standby mode and then instantly resume the first game, but that line basically just describes the 'pause' button.
wow. It sounds pretty desperate.
They are clarifying their desperation and consumer disconnect.
Wow, talk about desperation. Too bad whoever buying the console is going to be plaque with issues and another "One" of the letters is going to generate. I'll wait for my PS4 and 3 years after the 360 is official dead to get an Xbone. Until then, keep the damage control going.
please elaborate on the "issues" people will be plagued with. i'm genuinely intrigued.
^^^Adverts all over their home screen despite whether they're gold members or silver.. just to get the ball rolling.
@above...those arent issues. their annoyances. by issues i figured comnsence was eluding to something more.
@dartgv72 why would I elaborate on something that you and Andre hundred more individuals are in denial about?
@comnnsence I think the 360 probably has another year at most with the way MS is supporting it. Also I'll bet you they are going drop it like the first xbox, once the xbone comes out.
I would like to know the issues too. I think these are made up issues from the sony camp once again spreading their FUD. @ Angels PS4 also has a pay wall @aiBreeze Adverts? Another myth spread by the sony camp. These so called adverts are actual content that can be found or purchased on Xbox Live. @Thoract MS has already said that they will be supporting the 360 for another 3 years. That's 10 years of the 360 just like Sony's plan. http://www.gamespot.com/new... Wow....there are sure a lot of fanboyism spreading on this site.
@ Maniacmayhem while the ps4 does have a pay wall, the only thing it effects is online multiplayer, video services and free to play are still totally free. Also a large chunk of the advertising on the current dashboard is for tv shows and I have also seen soft drink advertisements (I am a 360 owner of 7 years)
@maniacmayhem I don't understand the dislikes on your comment. You speak the 100% truth and I can verify. I own an Xbox 360 and the "adverts" involve 1 actual advertisement in the corner which is usually Xbox content related or UFC or whatever big even that is upcoming...the rest is content like on my PS Vita where it's got ads for games or 50% off of season passes. I can't stand the false info that Sony kids are passing around these days and the perception that they've led people to believe. I sincerely hope the community is a lot better when I get my PS4 (and Xbox One) on day 1. This is getting really old people, just speak the truth and let people decide. Or actually educate yourself first and take a peak around Xbox Live and the Xbox dashboard.
@maniacmayhem -Indeed the PS4 does contain a pay wall. But lets not play cloak and dagger with this, the two systems are doing it differently. To give the short explanation, MS is hiding all online related content behind the pay wall. -It's technically still advertising, fair enough it's not a tedious bunch of Kool-aids latest repertoires, or a massive banner blocking my screen for 5 minutes (At least I hope not..), but, it is still advertising. -Similar to the way MS have been supporting the XB360 the last 3 years?
wow,just wow.good old n4g.
My god this is hilarious. The funny thing is that every person on this website that is bitching about a "paywall", is the exact type of person that is going to be paying for XBL Gold or PS+ anyway. So that argument means nothing. It is a non-issue. And lol @ advertisements being this huge terrible thing. I guess I'm just Bass Ackwards from all of you Sony Fans, because I have never once been annoyed by an ad on my 360 dashboard. I actually LIKE them being there. There are countless times I've seen something on there that I didn't know had been released yet or whatever and used that terrible terrible ad as an easy way to go find what I wanted to buy. Or found out about something being on sale and saved myself money in the process. (For Example, I just bought all the Skyrim DLC for half price a week ago thanks to one of these terrible ads.) You guys are just so used to the crap OS and store on the PS3 that you don't know what you are missing. Maybe with the PS4 Sony will bring their dashboard into the 21st century and it might be as nice as what the 360 has had since launch. I hope so, anyway, because every six months when I decide to play something on PS3 it irritates me how awful the whole system works by comparison to the 360.
UnHoly_One.. Thank you for sharing your take which is exactly how I feel about this!!
Isn't that major nelson character traveling around some states on some rather strange apology tour? o.O. Man was their first reveal toxic, people still think the DRM radiation is still hanging about after the fallout.
If you'll recall, they did the very same promo tour I believe for the Xbox 360, Kinect, and CoD MW3 Nice try though
@unholylight you tried your best. But if you're gonna ask me to try again, make sure the answer isn't staring you in the face from a simple google search: http://gadgets.ndtv.com/gam... http://pixelenemy.com/micro... http://www.blogdot.tv/2013/... http://www.huffingtonpost.c... c:
Yeah media and journalists labeling it an "apology tour". Yet another negative spin. Whatever if that's what you guys think you can have it!
They needed to do something, I've lost track of how many people I've come across that still think all the old policies are in place. Unfortunately for Microsoft even after I explain that everything has changed they still aren't interested in the XBox One.
Not as desperate as PS fanboys trying to trump every postive Xbox one news.
How is it desperation considering the backlash they received? I think this is warranted.
Unfortunately thats the reality of the situation, constant damage control and just trying to convince their fanbase like a crazed drug addict that was in re-hab for a short period. "We're better now! We've changed! Give us your money and we promise we'll use it to improve your experiences.." That's what it sounds like to me.
I was at a Gamestop last week and a guy was talking with his significant other. He said he was getting a PS4 because X1 would not play used games. Sending a newsletter out is not desperation it is informing people that have still not got the message.
Its desperation, deal with it, they did this to themselves, arrogant f*cks!
I agree. So many people out there spreading misinformation. My brother put on Facebook that he pre ordered the Xbox One and heaps of people commented saying things like you can't play used games and you need to be connected to the net. In my local EB games they out up a sign saying the changes. Microsoft has no one to blame but themselves though. At first it seemed like nobody at MS knew anything about the console. So many people contradicting each other. Now they have changed there policies I think the best thing they could of done is done another reveal and tried to get another spot on public tv or something like they did on the jimmy Fallon show
Thank you, someone who actually understands this, I wont be getting an xbone but I have a 360 so I got thus email. There really are a lot of people who don't know that they have changed their policies, why is it so terrible that they want to communicate to the more general audience, meaning people who aren't game enthusiasts and don't frequent game sites yet would still buy a console. They at least are being communicative now.
yes it does.i haven't heard MS say they made it to a million reserves yet? and that's why they are sending out this letter to their customers tht switch back to sony.
They will try to pull it off again... it's ms you know
please buy our console. please.
That's the first thing that popped into my head when I read the articles title.
shiiid ill stick to one that didn't need a 180 in the first place.
Already did And I can't wait to get my hands on it
In front of it.
So they want to remind people that they once tried to rape them and now they're better and reformed? Ehh, I'll stick with the company that didn't try to rape me in the first place.
All i see when i read your post is this: http://img.photobucket.com/... http://acslater.com/wp-cont... "they're raping meeeeee"
Dramatise much? The digital age is coming. It's just a question of when. Microsofts real problem was it's lack of clarity. It sure wasn't akin to 'rape' by any means. That's just nonsense. The kind of knee-jerk panic bandwagon that people jump on.
When all I saw was restrictions and nothing as to validate DRM as the new standard, hell no M$... It really didn't show how it benefits the consumer (my opinion). At least Sony left it in the hands of the developers (how I think it should be), which will make the transition into the "digital age of gaming" happen over time. M$ just tried to force it on gamers in one fell swoop and it backfired, HARD.
Not really, I think people have the right and still do to be upset "The digital age is coming" Yeah it's coming but it's not here yet. In my opinion it's still a while off and even then people still want physical discs "The kind of knee-jerk panic bandwagon that people jump on." Just because you like MS and want to defend them doesn't mean it's just a bandwagon that people are jumping on for the sake of it
Just because the digital age is coming doesn't mean we should be stripped of our consumer rights. Microsofts problem is that they went 99% physical based on 360 and then tried ram full blown draconian DRM down our throats with no transition whatsoever. You can't just take what people are used to, throw it all out and expect people to react positively and immediately want your product they don't fully understand, whether its good OR bad changes. It's not only the lack of clarity the pushes me away, it's the knee jerk change (See DRM 180 for more details) that make me think they may just switch it all back once they get some sales in the bag. Also, for a designed all digital console, a non-removable, non-upgradable 500gb HDD? 500gb? Really!? With all the add on content these days and most games easily pushing 5-10gb each just for the base install, you can kiss goodbye to that HDD pretty damn quick.
"Microsoft's real problem was it's lack of clarity" Nah it was a clear attack on physical media that was not needed·If they wanted a fully digital console then a disc tray should not be in the XB1. It's not needed. They should have made their plans into an opt-in feature, or made a fully digital console as stated above or offered all their plans with digital content which would have been great incentives for pulling people into digital age. Also it didn't help that single player experiences were killed if you don't check in within 24 hrs. Yes digital age is coming but it's at least 10+ years from being mainstream and easily accessible to all to warrant an digital only console.
The digital age is coming.. however it should come on OUR (the consumer) terms, not dictated by big brother where you have to check in every 24 hours for them to tell you've been good enough to continue playing their console.
They tried to force anti consumer policies... When the majority of gamers did not want it. Sounds like rape to me.
"The digital age is coming" Boy, Xbox fanboys are just going to say that until it becomes true, aren't they? Like Pachter's "Wii HD" prediction. They were saying that last generation was going to become digital over time because the restrictions of DVD were becoming a glaring issue; now they're saying that the 8th gen will become all digital because that somehow justifies Microsoft's original plan (and they need to keep drinking the koolaid that MS isn't even selling anymore, because they know MS will try something like this again). Game files only get bigger and bigger. There's no need to throw away physical media any time soon and no where in the foreseeable future. And what does the "digital age" have to do with ultra-restrictive 24-hour DRM, anyway? We don't have to put up with both.
Digital age can come tomorrow for all I care as long as I don't have to ask permission every 24 hours to play MY games.
@TheSsus nothing to validate DRM as standard? how about the ability to sell/loan digital property? does any other company offer that currently? hell that alone would have made 24 check in worth it... clearly not for everyone and i understand the broadband speeds/coverage aren't up for that type of requirement
Last time I checked... You don't pay for rape.. You didn't have to buy it.. So stop being so damn melodramatic..
Digital age is fine and all. But when they apply all those models to physical discs, it makes their intentions open to skepticism and ridicule. It isn't wise to try to dramatically change the way customer's purchase their content in such a short time, and MS thought they had more mind share than they actually did, or believed that gamers would just blindly accept anything, which doesn't make sense, since MS has gotten plenty of criticism this gen, and I'm sure they aren't as oblivious to it all as they seem. It seems many are confident with the "Digital is the future" mantra. That makes me wonder why a console maker or publisher would need to force it in such a dramatic way. Could it be that these console makers and publishers understand that digital isn't the only future? Or could it be that they are so arrogant to think that people will just accept whatever they put out just because they want to play games? I don't think what MS did is akin to rape by any means. That's just a terrible thing to say. At least with what MS was doing, you did have the choice to not buy the console.
That's exactly the point. The digital age is coming. There was no needs for the planned DRM. That would btw, if people have forgotten. Would only allow the X1 to function on selected countries. So if you are not part of those territories, you can't import the console because it will not work. How can that be the future of gaming? I will never understand how those DRMs can ever be justifiable. I for one, am very glad they got rid of it and is hopeful never to see it again.
Making light of rape. ''well said'' Never change N4g.
So when someone uses the term "raping the land"... say, of natural resources... are they refering to forcefully sticking your meat in the Earth? Or are there other definitions of rape?
Being intentionally obtuse. Never change, Count.
sony 2006 comes to mind "if you can't afford it get a second job" or something like that... every company in the world suffers from shitty PR hell EA are masters at it but yet when a BF game gets shown people practically cream themselves over it
I believe the statement was "... you would want to get a second job" which, it's context, is completely different than "get a second job" (as you stated).