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PS4 production yields are high, but Xbox One might be in trouble for release day

The huge hit Microsoft took for its faulty Xbox 360 models is still fresh in everyone’s minds, so don’t expect history to repeat itself. The Xbox One is huge and bulky for one reason: cooling. In fact, the cooling system in the new console is effective enough to persuade the engineering team to actually boost the CPU’s speed by 10%. Even if the Xbox One stumbles a bit out of the gate, Microsoft learned its lesson about the necessity of proper cooling and quality control. In spite of the XBOne’s lengthy list of issues, you don’t need to worry about your day one edition catching a bad case of the red ring.

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golding891022d ago

"However, rumor has it that the Xbox One‘s production isn’t going quite so smoothly. Reports came in recently from Asia that Microsoft is lowering its shipment forecast for the fourth quarter. Supposedly, the estimated seven million units has slipped to 6.2 million."

This rumor was shot down a few weeks ago. No news here.

MonkeyNinja1022d ago (Edited 1022d ago )

Do you have a link?

Also, you're talking about a rumor that was debunked a few weeks ago. Maybe a few weeks ago they (said they) were fine but now they're having issues with BD drive and Kinect like article states.

mewhy321022d ago

Actually the bone has been in trouble since Feb 2013 and got slaughtered by Don Mattrick at E3.

vigilante_man1022d ago

Old news mixed with Sony's recent comments = nonsense.

Sony just started earlier and will ship more in the same period. They are spreading out their stock around 32 countries.

This does not mean XB1 has hit any problems. It may be slightly more complicated architecture which leads some to believe it may be more likely to encounter yield issues.

Still seems like XB1 will ship 7m and PS4 10m by Mar/Apr 2014 as predicted by both. Enough for all us core gamers!

GmIsOnPt3601022d ago

So in other words the person who posted anti MS article needs no link only person who posted pro MS knfo

YNWA961022d ago (Edited 1022d ago )

A positive PS4 story mixed with negative X1 story posted by natureoflogic.... Fanboyism at its best.... Got 1 bubble, give me hell....

@ mastercornholio, get some TP? Also, ripped apart by neogaf, the greatest loser site there is, where people hide behind profiles and spew shit all day long...

jackanderson19851022d ago

If two MS staff who are involved with console development (not Nelson he's just a PR head) say production is fine it's heralded as complete bullshit and they're only saying it cuz they're MS staff.

however if two sony execs say the exact same thing it's herald as news from the mouth of god himself?

even at the rumored lower yields for MS a 6.2mil shipping isn't bad considering 360 sales in it's first 8 weeks launching only sold 1.5 and it took nearly 8 full months for it to reach 5mil in sales... 6.2 isn't a bad number

if combined console sales exceed 10 mil before February i'll be truely shocked

Ritsujun1022d ago

More 180's are coming to the Xbone180, POOR conSOUL.

MonkeyNinja1022d ago

@ jackanderson1985

"...if two sony execs say the exact same thing it's herald as news from the mouth of god himself?"

How many times has Sony been caught lying to us (the consumer)?

And how many times has Microsoft been caught lying to us?

That's why many more people trust Sony over Microsoft.

jackanderson19851022d ago (Edited 1022d ago )

@monkeyninja

sony have lied about alot of things in the past, same with MS and same with every company ever.

it's usually why these companies hire decent PR companies to handle these sorts of things so their own execs don't get caught out.

have sony lied about the PS4 this time around? probably not but hell we don't know what's going on in the background they could be yanking our chain on alot of items that'll only come to light 1, 2 or even 5 years down the line.

MS got a shitty PR show case to the xbox one, they clearly kept their main PR dude out of the loop about the DRM stuff, penello likes to talk but i doubt he knows half of what he's saying and is just regurgitating it from memory and i dunno if yusef has been caught lying yet (suppose you could point to the initial reveal as lying since it was pre-recorded but hey people expect those sorta things now)

so to sum it up Sony's PR has been on the ball while MS's seems like they've had a few too many whiskeys, fallen down the stairs and think they're in Tallahassee

also seeing as this is my last bubble if you do happen to direct a Q at me as alotta users do and then go "ha he doesn't have a reply to that" i usually would reply but alas the bubble system prevents me from doing such a thing.

MonkeyNinja1022d ago

Shills are so annoying. Go away.

GT671022d ago

a buddy of mine who work for MS a engineer on x1 technology those RUMORS are true. he said is MS trying to cover-up bluray, kinect issues.

ma1asiah1022d ago (Edited 1022d ago )

@ MonkeyNinja

A Little History lesson for you:

"Most people, I think, don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?"
- Thomas Hesse, Sony BMG's president of global digital business, responding to the outcry over Sony's DRM Rootkit spyware uncovered on its music CDs

A quote from Sony in 2007: "We have a very different approach to exclusives than some of our competitors," he continued. "We don't buy exclusivity. We don't fund development. We don't, for lack of a better term, bribe somebody to only do a game on our platform."
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Now take a look at this from 2009 titled "Sony Will Pay Devs for PSN Exclusivity": "Sony has declared a willingness to back up its aspirations for exclusive content with cold, hard cash. Its Pub Fund, just announced today, will match developer funding for exclusive games headed to the PSN."
http://www.ps3informer.com/...

"We're certainly not interested in Gimmicks."
- Kaz Hirai0 E32k6, right before showing off Eye of Judgement.

"I believe that the Sixaxis controller offers game designers and developers far more opportunity for future innovation than rumble ever did. Now, rumble I think was the last generation feature; it's not the next-generation feature."
http://www.1up.com/news/son...

The real reason the Sixaxis had no "rumble" and was later discontinued in favor of the DS3, was because Sony were being sued by the company Immersion over patent rights. Sony lost to the tune of about $90 million. Sony insisted [at the time] that the lawsuit had nothing to do with why the Sixaxis was lacking "rumble", something we now know was a lie as the DS3 was announced shortly after the lawsuit settlement.
http://www.engadget.com/200...

Reasons as to why you should never trust any company

Both MS and SONY are capable of PR spin when it suits their own interest don't think SONY is above lying for their own gains.

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Muerte24941022d ago

by Ablert Penello and Yusuf Mehdi, both who are Microsoft employees. I also remember a Microsoft employee saying: "DRM isn't something that can just flipped on and off like switch." Yet here were months later and no DRM. Microsoft has proven more than anything that their words cannot be trusted. "Specs on paper don't matter." Yet all we've been hearing are number trying to paint their machines as "just as good as" PS4.

Regis1022d ago

Well we would know the said employees name unless you are talking about major nelson

hellzsupernova1022d ago

agreed! funny how sony has been so quiet about all these power rumours just letting killzone and infamous speak for themselves while Microsofts launch titles get torn apart (Ryse im looking at you)

wynams1022d ago

If PS4 performance superiority is myth (as Microsoft and developers such as id's Carmack have stated ad nauseum) then please answer this:

Why has the #XboxOne had 2 overclocks since #E3?

Muerte24941022d ago

What I find funny is that when John Carmack was asked about which console he preferred out of Xbox360 and PS3, he said Xbox360. He didn't have a problem declaring Xbox360's alleged superiority then.
Now even though PS4 is clearly more powerful than Xbox One, Carmack's response is : " They are pretty much the same." Granted they have similar architecture, PS4 has more raw power. Why is he so reluctant so say PS4 is better?

KYU21301022d ago

I disagree. MS has been hyping the XB1 as far superior to the PS4.

dmeador1022d ago

The logic of so many pro-Sony peeps on this site is hilarious.

@Muerte
They realize how much people are caught up on numbers, and thats all your hearing about if thats all your listening for. And you are pretty confused if you think the big changes on MSs part didn't entail many people working for long hours to make things happen.

@hellzsupernova
Sony has said time and time again they have the superior console, hardly quiet. They are simply keeping a lower profile, bc they are afraid they will rock the boat.

@wynams
Horrible logic. So if the PS4 had increased its power since E3 then that proves that they are the under powered system?

@Muerte again
Cant remember the cognitive bias this is, but you are assuming he is biased on his choice for the X1 vs PS4, based on you believing one is superior

@KYU2130
Say you work for MS pr.... thats kinda your job. I would think the product you have made is going to be shown off as better than the direct competitor

Deltaohio1022d ago

@wynams
If you were building a console that was half fan and have electronics wouldn't you want to push your system further? There is nothing wrong with getting a few extra MHz out of a machine. Forget the competition you just want more power. The games at E3 before the up clocks looked just as good as any PS4 game.

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abusador1022d ago

Give it up already stealth troll, your embarrassing and corny. Your lame agenda is conspicuous. Take those 20 free microsoft points and call itba day or go join major bshi%%er and pendejo in gaf lol

ZHZ901022d ago (Edited 1022d ago )

I don't trust Albert Panello and Major Nelson.

windblowsagain1022d ago

Xboxone may be fine, who knows.

But it was rushed forward because of SONY.

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NoLongerHereCBA1022d ago

Golding89 is actually telling the truth. This has been posted over a week (maybe 2) ago. Don't see why he is getting negative votes.

MasterCornholio1022d ago (Edited 1022d ago )

"by Ablert Penello and Yusuf Mehdi, both who are Microsoft employees."

I dont know about Yusuf but you cant trust Panello because he was just caught lying to posters on Neogaff with all the BS that he posted.

Qrphe1022d ago

>the truth

Well, ain't that so easy to get all the time and guarantee

Muerte24941022d ago (Edited 1022d ago )

@VaizardNL,

Here is where people on the neogaf come in handy. The only major difference between PS4's architecture and Xbox One's is the memory and GPU. Everything else is pretty much the same. Sony is having phenomenal yields yet Microsoft is cutting the launch market by over 34%. I sure you remember earlier reports of esRAM causing yield issues. There is no other conclusion you can draw from it.

Bullet points
* Similar architecture to PS4 except for EsRAM
* Rumors claiming yield issues due to EsRAM
* PS4 not having yield issues
* Xbox One only launching in 13 markets (-34%)instead of 21
* Ps4 launching in 32 markets (>60% more than Xbox One)
* Gamestop capping Xbox One's pre-orders
* No solid launch date for other markets aside from slimmed down 13

There are literally too many things pointing to the yield issues with EsRAM. Even though it was a rumor, every move Microsoft has made since seems to support it more than debunk it. Open to any arguments people may have with my presentation.

NoLongerHereCBA1022d ago

It could be true, but it could also not be true. My response was more to the fact that this news is just a rehash of old news together with the new PS4 news.

I think there are more differences between the PS4 and the Xbox One than just the GPU and RAM, but the PS4 is definitely more like a standard PC, which will make it less prone to yield issues.

I have to wait till next year anyway, so I don't mind :)

jackanderson19851022d ago

Neogaf gets alotta things wrong aswell just to highlight... didn't they come out with a list of things recently about MS that proved to be false?

THC CELL1022d ago

Sound to me xbone might of.been rushed rlod. Might happen again. Let's hope not

kneon1022d ago

Lower yields and higher failure rates are not necessarily related. In fact they could have lower yields because they are doing more rigorous testing to avoid high failure rates.

I expect the Xbox One to be the more reliable next gen console because Microsoft knows that they can't survive another RROD fiasco.

jmc88881021d ago

But that doesn't mean they'll be successful.

The time aspect is always the most crucial for reliability.

They can add whatever steps they wish by analyzing a past product production process, but this is a new one, and they are rushing it.

All bets are off for anything rushed, and this puppy is.

jackanderson19851022d ago

if you looked into the causes of the RROD you'd realise that the likelihood of it occuring again are slim to none. hell how many of the newer xbox 360s have this failure rate?

jmc88881021d ago

Your logic makes no sense.

Why did the 360 have a RRoD if the Xbox didn't have it?

You simply can't go off past products to determine a future.

What you can say, is that like the 360, the Xbox One is horribly rushed.

Being horribly rushed is what caused faulty things to make it into production and past QA.

Thus is THIS crucial aspect the same or different from the 360? The same.

The new 360 models or the old ones or any in between have nothing to do with the Xbox One. It's a different product. Using different components. In different configurations. Using a new OS...so on and so forth.

The only thing you LEARN about a new production line, comes when you start producing in that new line. Rushing stunts that learning.

So you can't compare apples to oranges, this is completely different.

It's a new roll of the dice. Their QA has a whole new situation where it can pass or fail. But they are rushing it, which doesn't help.

TheGreatGamer1022d ago

Old news and nothing to worry about, I honestly don't think xbone has enough demand for microsoft to run into any supply issues

kewlkat0071022d ago

Another Article by this guy..where is it that Ms's is having issues?

Deadpoolio1022d ago

Which issue would you like to look at;

The one about the 32mb of eSRAM frying the GPU from overclocking.
The one where the chips that run the Kinect are frying.
Or The one about the blu ray drive crapping out.

It makes sense that they are having issues to anyone who isn't a delusional Xbot. They cut 21 countries down to 13, claiming localization issues. Then out of 13 only 5 will have fully functioning consoles/Kinect. That makes no sense, when you say you cut8 countries off of 21, it sounded like the other 13 were supposed to be fine.

The supposedly got their FCC certs before Sony, yet are just now beginning production, since Major Microsoft felt the need to tweet pics of the "first" consoles off the line.

And lastly Sony actually hands you an oppertunity to launch before NOV 15th yet you choose to launch after, Not that I buy into the "cause the 360 launched on Nov 22nd 2006". I would bet it's because they're having issues and rushing now to catch up....But the delusional can choose to believe whatever they want there are just too many red flags that don't really make sense

aawells071022d ago

Hey can you provide links to each issue?