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Submitted by M_Mosley_JR 466d ago | opinion piece

Is “GPU Acceleration” Xbox One Secret Sauce

A look at the Xbox One's secret weapon (Microsoft, Xbox One)

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xHeavYx  +   466d ago | Well said
So many "secret" weapons, but nothing real, first the cloud, then dGPU, now this. What's next?
black0o  +   466d ago | Well said
another day with another secret in the xbone (-_-)

off topic: M.Cerny never compared Ps4 too x1 or hinted anything about the other camp nor talked in PR stuns
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Bigpappy  +   466d ago
No one asked him. People are always asking are always asking M$ Exec's about PS4 so they answer. Haven't herd them say a negative thing about PS4 yet.
sincitysir1  +   466d ago
Xbox is becoming like the.krusty. crab. All kinds of dear ol secret sauces. Just be.upfront already jeez, they r trying to hard to defend their product every few hrs its oozing with desperation
xHeavYx  +   466d ago
@Bigpappy
People ask MS because they give info that make no sense, like the latest Neogaf fiasco by Penello
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Angeljuice  +   466d ago
I think this is a bit of wishful thinking really. Another hope to be dashed I expect. The author even admits to being a big MS fan so make of that what you will.
NatureOfLogic  +   466d ago
Xbox One is weaker than PS4, everyone knows that. Now Xbox fanboys are trying to grasp at any and every little thing to close the gap. MS is releasing a weaker console #dealwithit. Xbox One will have inferior multiplat games, so what. Just play the games and be happy. If you want the best specs and superior next gen multiplats get a PS4 for cheaper. It's that simple.
XB1_PS4  +   466d ago
While something like this would make very interesting news if true, I don't see it happening. Why would Microsoft keep any secrets about potential speed boosts. They sure did hurry that overclock on the CPU out. No matter what software the XWon runs, the GPU in the PS4TW is more powerful.

Also to all the people above me. This has nothing to do with Microsoft. This article is by Rickey Gibson and Tyler Zdenek. Blame them.

Furthermore, The majority of people commenting on this are Sony fans, not Xbox fans "Grasping at Straws".
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BitbyDeath  +   466d ago
Just getting sad now.

http://i.minus.com/ilERlIua...
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NewMonday  +   466d ago
LOL

that gif is a perfect discription
JokesOnYou  +   466d ago | Well said
No Heavy BigBappy is correct the sony cheerleaders over at neogaf continue making false claims like the yeild problems and manufacturing delays, 50% power mis-qoutes of devs and accuse Penello etc of all sorts of stuff and the guy respectfully answers them and said nothing bad about sony. Truth is sonyfanboys have built a record of caring far more about X1 than X1 folks care about ps4. Its apparent in every specs, games, policy, kinect or business related article to microsoft yet you act naive as to why the guy is speaking out.
denawayne  +   466d ago
Joke - You couldn't be more right. I'm getting an Xbox One so I only concentrate on Xbox One articles. It's getting ridiculous how many Sony fans comment in Xbox related articles. It's almost like they're constantly trying to justify their decision. Sad really.
xHeavYx  +   466d ago
@Jokes
Nobody said anything about rumors. I was talking about some of Penello's claims that made no sense from a technical standpoint.
Grasping straws much to defend your precious cable box?
@denawayne
You can say the same about Xbox fans coming up with positive rumors that end up being debunked
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ShwankyShpanky  +   466d ago
@JOY: "accuse Penello etc of all sorts of stuff and the guy respectfully answers" with bullshit.

I've read through more than 15 pages of that 20+ page GAF thread, and people are asking very straightforward questions that Penello refuses to answer. Penello claims the Xbone has a faster CPU... but Sony hasn't released their CPU clock, so people asked how he knew Xbone's was faster. No response from Penello.

Penello said that the 6% clock boost on the CUs resulted in more than a 6% performance boost. People asked how, because that doesn't make sense. No answer from Penello.

Penello said that 50% more CUs on the PS4 GPU doesn't equate to a 50% performance gain for the chip, because there is inherent efficiency losses the higher the CU count. But those efficiency losses don't apply to highly parallel calculations, like with graphics calculations. People pointed that out and asked for clarification. No response from Penello.

(well, there was his "I know a wizard" response ... sorry ... "I know a Technical Fellow and they're super smart and he says it's true.")

And then of course there's the good ol' memory bandwidth issue... with Penello adding the DDR3 bandwidth to the eSRAM bandwidth to get a peak of 272Gb/s. Funny thing about that is that apparently when you run with "MS math," the 360 had higher bandwidth than the Xbone!

"Our peak on paper is 272gb/sec."
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

"Xbox 360 has 278.4 GB/s of memory system bandwidth."
http://majornelson.com/2005...

There are plenty of people on GAF that are familiar with the technical ins and outs of game development and computer science, and they're calling Penello on his spin. Pathetically attempting to label them as "Sony chearleaders" does nothing but heap more sand upon your deeply buried head.
P0werVR  +   466d ago
^

It's simple.

Sony can't because it's design is final.

Believe me when I tell you that when companies have ANYTHING to claim they'll do so. Since not eve a hint of anything but the specs announced a while back tells you they have nothing else but added features.

Their last conference should hint to you that FACT since it was only Deep Down and PS Vita TV that was announced...

Also, how can you not do YOUR OWN DD and find that they've stated it time and time again that the ESRAM is an upgrade from EDRAM. Two totally different designs and why ESRAM is an integral part of the Xbox One, pointed DIRECTLY at the GPU!

How can anyone debunk anything that hasn't even been proven otherwise?! Consoles hasn't even released, and they've said it'll take overtime for Azure to show it's true potential. Games to look out for are Black Tusk Studio's game, Forza 5 and Sunset Overdrive.

NOTHING HAS BEEN DEBUNKED!

Can anyone prove me their arguments?! This a so called "discussion" board isn't it??

EDIT:

You should leave GAF...and go to beyond3d if you your fuzzy lil' head can handle the technical part.
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whoyouwit04  +   466d ago
but jack trentin did it plenty, So don't act like Mirosoft is the only one that is bringing up the competitor.
JokesOnYou  +   466d ago
@Shwanky
"I've read through more than 15 pages of that 20+ page GAF thread, and people are asking very straightforward questions"

-Some yes but there is a lot of this too:
"Penello just keeps digging his hole ..STHAP"
"Shut up with all this PR nonsense"
"Forty f**king percent! Where's my whiskey bottle?"

"Penello claims the Xbone has a faster CPU... but Sony hasn't released their CPU clock, so people asked how he knew Xbone's was faster. No response from Penello."
-Well its simple here the normal clockspeed for AMD's Jaguar is 1.6 http://www.anandtech.com/sh... sure sony could have upclocked too but they aren't on record stating such with hundreds of sites coming to this conclusion they have never denied it while micro did state an upgraded CPU clockspeed.

"Penello said that the 6% clock boost on the CUs resulted in more than a 6% performance boost. People asked how, because that doesn't make sense. No answer from Penello."
-Wrong he did answer its right in his statement: "Adding to that, each of our CU's is running 6% faster. It's not simply a 6% clock speed increase overall." -Its not his fault if fanboys just say no, no, no you're wrong...prove it.

"Penello said that 50% more CUs on the PS4 GPU doesn't equate to a 50% performance gain for the chip, because there is inherent efficiency losses the higher the CU count."
-Wrong he said "18 CU's vs. 12 CU's =/= 50% more performance. Multi-core processors have inherent inefficiency with more CU's, so it's simply incorrect to say 50% more GPU."= True

"And then of course there's the good ol' memory bandwidth issue"

Not the same comparison years apart and Major is calculating total bandwidth of both I believe which extreme tech outlined years ago with this: "The Xbox 360 has an extensive amount of bandwidth in comparison to its competition; however, this statistic includes the eDRAM logic to memory bandwidth, and not internal CPU bandwidths. The eDRAM internal logic to its internal memory bandwidth is 256 GB/s. The high bandwidth is used primarily for z-buffering, alpha blending, and antialiasing; it saves time and space on the GPU die. Between the eDRAM die and the GPU, data is transferred at 32 GB/s. The memory interface bus has a bandwidth of 22.40 GB/s and the Southbridge a bandwidth of 500 MB/s."
http://www.extremetech.com/...

-Again I think Alberts mistake is engaging with neogaf at all,(I said this a couple weeks ago) they will twist everything he says or just call it PR. I don't think most people there are interested in the actual differences they only just want to hear that the ps4 is a super computer capable of cooking you breakfast.
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IRetrouk  +   465d ago
I keep hearing stuff about the xbox having customised chips and sony having off the shelf parts, didnt mark cerny state that both the cpu and gpu in the ps4 were modified? Look back at the first video of mark explaining the ins and outs of the ps4 for the answer
DoubleM70  +   465d ago
You right it's these Ponies that are saying this %30 to %50 percent. Do you expect that big a difference on $500 hundred dollar machines. The specs and Arch are identical.
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theWB27  +   466d ago
Specs aside....the games do the talking. I won't refute the difference on paper...IDK.

The comparisons I see and the news put together....it won't be that big of a difference.

PC elitists laugh at people who think the PS4 is a high end PC.

Kinda makes you think then the X1 is so weak it's a WiiU.

Strictly games...it's running every third party game the PS4 is running and devs say there won't be much of a difference.

If only a handful of Sony devs..mainly SSM and ND...really show the difference in power would it be something to keep boasting about?

If a few years down the road the PS4 gets a few extra bumps in detail..yet the X1 gets the core game intact is there anything gamers are missing out on?

Everyone knows the paper specs are great...but actions speak louder than words and the X1 isn't lagging behind. Gamers are getting powerful systems on both sides...even if there is no secret sauce.

@black0o
I could link to IGN saying the PS4 demo was sorely lacking in visuals and was only running 16 players. We could go back and forth about who said what.

I could say the X1 supports DirectX and we know DICE is supporting it on PC....it wouldn't solve or prove anything at this point especially since DICE is adamant about not showing BF running on consoles.

All in all...it's still getting the core game.
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black0o  +   466d ago
example
BF4 on ps4 runs at higher thn 720p
http://www.craveonline.com/...

http://abload.de/img/jackbf...

while x1 runs at 720p

guess what's gonna happen after a year or 18 months
Bigpappy  +   466d ago
I never get too evolved in the spec's wars. These games are optimized for the hardware they run on. Not everyone has the same power PC yet they all go on 'steam', download what they want and play it. Same will happen here and the results will be even closer.

No if some one was to ask me what I think is X1 biggest feature over PS4, I would have to say Kinect. Kinect is the secret sauce. It is going to sell more X1's for M$ than any single game or feature.

Matching power and graphics only here with fanboy wars. But unique features truly work as a selling tool.
mcstorm  +   466d ago
@Bigpappy good to here someone not being a fancy boy on here. Im sure people on this site who keep talking about power have only been gaming for ps3 generation. Power has never been the reason why people buy a games console.

Example, Wii, ps2, psx over the last 3 gens had the lest power out of the other consoles in the same generation but they had the games people wanted.

Another example the 360 was the go to console for games at the start of this generation and that a why it sold well but as the generation went on Sony brought out more ips and the ps3 sales picked up.

The start of a new generation is not about power or 3rd party games it about the exclusive games as the cod and bf fans will not be buying a new console for the same game they can gent on there current gen console and the ps3 and 360 still have games like gta 5 and gt6 which are not on the new gen consoles.

Another example is the psv. It is far better than the 3ds in terms of specs but it is lacking the games and this is the reason why its not selling as well as the 3ds.

The next gen is going to be interesting as the ps4, Wiiu and Xbox one all have must own games as of the end of this year but it will be between Christmas this year and next we will are which console the main stream and core gamers want.
itBourne  +   466d ago
I think this whole power debate is nonsense as well. I mean a high end pc wins out. If you want the best experience get it on pc, end of debate.

The reason to own a console is for the exclusive games, among a few other reasons. 28 of my 37 games on ps3 are ONLY on ps3. I have a few multiplatform games for playing with friends, and the rest are on my pc.
IRetrouk  +   465d ago
@bigpappy, i disagree, kinect has only sold to a fraction of the 360 install base, i think you are giving it more credit as a system seller than it deserves, i dont think kinect is as popular as you think, i dont think kinect 2.0 would sell any better than the first and thats why its coming in with the system, either way this next gen is gonna be close, i cant wait for all the new games :-)
2cents  +   466d ago
To be fair, the only one of those that you list has been actually proclaimed by microsoft is the cloud.

It's all speculation created by people, that gets latched onto and everyone starts discussing it to hell. Then MS will say no its a false rumor.
And then the process starts again.

Its become like a gameshow, a bad gameshow. "And todays rumour will beeeeee....... drum roll.... (insert rumour here).
Elit3Nick  +   466d ago
What do you mean "first the cloud"? You have to be in total denial if you think that the cloud doesn't exist/work. We already have many examples of the cloud in action, Azure itself is used to provide more processing power to computers, we had onlive which processed complete games all from the cloud, and even Gaikai to some degree.
xHeavYx  +   466d ago
The funny thing is that you say it's me the one in total denial
Nekroo91  +   466d ago
the problem with the cloud its limited by bandwith , so what xbox fans were thinking its not possible. image countries with low internet speeds they would have breaks on single player games. is that a way to get supporters? No.

hell most part of the world doesent even support internet speeds for that to happen
Regis  +   466d ago
@Nekroo91 Recently AT&T bought more Speed access from Verizon for 1.9 billion so I will receive in increase in bandwith so I will have better connectivity to said clouds and severs. But sad for Europe who won't receive very good bandwith from both Gaikai and Azure.
testerg35  +   466d ago
Nekroo91, so how does Gaika work? The slower the internet speed, the closer I get to only playing pong?
kneon  +   466d ago
@Regis

It doesn't really matter how fast your internet might be when most other people still have limited bandwidth.

Dvs are going to limit what the do with the cloud because most people won't have sufficient bandwidth to do too much.

Because there is no guarantee regarding the bandwidth and latency they will mainly use the cloud for non-critical features. It would be silly to expend a lot of effort on something that few users can really use.
ATi_Elite  +   466d ago
The next Xbox One secret..........

"There is really a PS4 inside there" LMAO
modesign  +   466d ago
how about a original title.
Forza  +   466d ago
Original Xbox was much more powerful than PS2 with its Nvidia GPU and Intel processor and yet most games looked the same and most people couldn't tell a difference.

PS3 was supposedly 2x more powerful than Xbox 360 and yet we didn't see even 00.1x the difference in power. Pretty much no difference at all. If any, Xbox 360 actually ran some multiplatform games better.

I bet millions we don't see any differences between Xbox One and PS4 in graphical capability. They both are gonna look the same even if Xbox One launch games looked better over all. Spec sheets mean nothing in real-time performance. U can look at the differences between latest dual core iPhones vs quad core Androids running at a higher clock speed, real-time performance is what matters. Both consoles use similar APU tech and capable of running games at 1080p max.

PS4 fanboyz need to know about the law of diminishing returns. PS4 spec just doesn't go far enough for an average gamer to see any difference in graphics and overall performance. If people's sole reason is "Graphics" then they will be very disappointed cause PS4 & Xbox One games will look identical. If graphic's is your main concern which in N4G, it seems it is...Just get a f****** high end PC and ur sorted cause PS4 VS Xbox One, u just will not see the huge graphical difference.

Go ahead Sony fanboyz, press the negative button. N4G is filled with Sonyfanboyz. It'll only prove i am right.
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xReDeMpTiOnx  +   466d ago
Not one 360 game technically and graphically outshines last of us. Hell or even gow3 or uc2
Forza  +   466d ago
@xReDeMpTiOnx

That's ur opinion. I though Gears of War 3 & Halo 4 matched Uncharted 3 & Last of Us in graphics but ultimately the best looking game on console is a multiplatform game...Crysis 3. Simply the best looking game i have seen this generation on consoles and the best looking game ever via PC. GTA5 is also looking like a solid contender for the best console graphics.

I own a PS3 & Xbox 360. I enjoy both consoles, i'm just stating my opinion how i see it.
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M-M  +   466d ago
"Original Xbox was much more powerful than PS2 with its Nvidia GPU and Intel processor and yet most games looked the same and most people couldn't tell a difference."

That's actually pretty false, most Xbox games looked better than PS2 games because it was more powerful.

"PS3 was supposedly 2x more powerful than Xbox 360 and yet we didn't see even 00.1x the difference in power. Pretty much no difference at all. If any, Xbox 360 actually ran some multiplatform games better."

Somewhat false again, not a single Xbox game looks as good as The Last Of Us, Uncharted 2-3, or the upcoming Beyond: Two Souls. 360 ran most mutiplatform games better because the architecture was much easier than that of a PS3.

"I bet millions we don't see any differences between Xbox One and PS4 in graphical capability. They both are gonna look the same even if Xbox One launch games looked better over all. Spec sheets mean nothing in real-time performance. U can look at the differences between latest dual core iPhones vs quad core Androids running at a higher clock speed, real-time performance is what matters. Both consoles use similar APU tech and capable of running games at 1080p max."

PS4 games such as KZ:SF and Driveclub look better than Xbox One launch exclusives, although games like Ryse and Forza 5 look great. There will be differences, people will be able to tell the differences as the PS4 will perform better, but it won't be astronomically huge. Games on both systems will be able to run games(not graphic heavy games) in the middle or end of their life cycles, it's pretty much a given.

"PS4 fanboyz need to know about the law of diminishing returns. PS4 spec just doesn't go far enough for an average gamer to see any difference in graphics and overall performance. If people's sole reason is "Graphics" then they will be very disappointed cause PS4 & Xbox One games will look identical. If graphic's is your main concern which in N4G, it seems it is...Just get a f****** high end PC and ur sorted cause PS4 VS Xbox One, u just will not see the huge graphical difference.

Go ahead Sony fanboyz, press the negative button. N4G is filled with Sonyfanboyz. It'll only prove i am right."

True colors shown, N4G username is Forza.
Lykon  +   466d ago
Well I'm a Sony fan (sort of) and I agree with you. To some extent anyway. It's true about the law of diminishing returns. i.e. ...it takes a large jump in hardware power for a significant increase in graphics and frame rate. I'm sure there will be 1st party studios who eke out the most from each system. The competition is good for all of us.
Jazz4108  +   466d ago
Cant people wait till the darn thing is released instead of looking for articles 24 hours aday to bash it and high five one another. This gets really old for people who want to read real unbiased news. Sorry but this is my opinion.
Patm82  +   466d ago
don't forget the 12gig ram lol :)
Trekster_Gamer  +   466d ago
The games are real you blind PS troll. Look at the frackin games we have seen...
TheXgamerLive  +   465d ago
Open your eyes little man. Xbox One games look and play better so hmmmm somerhing must be true.
otherZinc  +   465d ago
@xHeavYx #1

What's real is; Forza 5 running 1080p "native" @ 60fps.

See, that's all talk aside! Meanwhile, other devs say "we're running our game well over 30fps": what does that mean?

Talk is cheap, Forza 5 is displaying power on screen for us to see for ourselves!
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xHeavYx  +   465d ago
Read this comment and cry
http://n4g.com/news/1351788...
XboxFun  +   466d ago
Excellent article.

A lot of people just copy and paste what they see but don't understand.

Both systems have absolute gorgeous graphics. But we have some on here who just keep spouting DDR Remix!

We will definitely see Xbox One come into it's own further down the line and then this will go the way of RAM, hUMA and the FCC report (Oh, and MS selling off Xbox).

Edit:
So many "tears" from the other camp, what's next?
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The_Infected  +   466d ago
Whatever you say Mr. Xbox.
gaelic_laoch  +   466d ago
M$'s secret sauce is 99% BS and 1% Methane
BattleTorn  +   466d ago
And some blue food coloring to appear like Heisenbergs
Elit3Nick  +   466d ago
I'm sorry I didn't realize that you own an Xb1, seriously hold your fanboy comments until the consoles actually come out, the fact you say these things is because you're hoping it's not true.
ShwankyShpanky  +   466d ago
>>So many "tears" from the other camp

From laughing, perhaps.
Ksar  +   466d ago
Haters gonna hate.
HeyImBen11  +   466d ago
Makes no sense.
Angeljuice  +   466d ago | Funny
Dummies gonna post
GoodnessGreatness  +   466d ago
Idiot's gonna post.
ZHZ90  +   465d ago
Copying the same thing over and over, oh poor troll.
HeyImBen11  +   466d ago
What's the next "secret weapon"? Kinect acts like another GPU?
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spongeboob  +   466d ago
Funny you say that, yesterday on GAF someone was joking that a third GPU was in the power brick. LOL
Godz Kastro  +   466d ago
Its funny how people are going back and forth over this. Waste of time IMO. I say it now and said it all along...look at the games. Both sytems are on par. John Carmack said the same, Ill take his owrd over N4G any day.

These same people will be posting on the day they get their systems. Not enjoying games but rather argue about them. Womp womp...

I cant wait for x1 so I can stop visiting this site for news.
GodGinrai  +   466d ago
Im with you on that one Godz Kastro. The vibe around here is pretty negative to say the least.Thinking of just reading the news on IGN/eurogamer etc. and staying way the hell away from N4g.

Im getting bored of seeing these articles . We already know the specs of X1..next subject plese. you already know what type of people make up most of the 300+ post on this thread. Not gonna say anything more than that. So dont pay it no mind. I just gloss over the BS comments and I dont give em a second thought.
Elit3Nick  +   466d ago
I've thought so many times of just leaving this site and the fanboys to bicker among themselves but unfortunately there is no other site that organizes all gaming news in one place :/
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n4rc  +   466d ago
Its why I keep coming back... I'm at work in my phone... Having everything in one place makes life easier.. Even if I have to search thru all the bs to get to facts
NatureOfLogic  +   466d ago
teh cloudz, teh dedicated serverz, teh dGPU, teh Rise graphics, teh mega ultimate Titan Fall and now teh GPU acceleration super secret sauce. What a joke.
n4rc  +   466d ago
Seriously dude.. Are you over 14?
BattleTorn  +   466d ago
Nurture*OfLogic
lifeisgamesok  +   466d ago
LOL
nick309  +   466d ago
Your nickname does not match your words,Where is the nature of the logic here?
starchild  +   466d ago
Oh jeez, you're such a fanboy.
Foxgod  +   466d ago
People can cling on to specs all they want, its the games that make the difference, and the X1 games are making the difference.
FrigidDARKNESS  +   466d ago
Very true, specs don't mean a damn thing if the engineering and architecture design isn't great. The x1 is an engineering marvel.

the specialised chips have not been all revealed or gone in to depth. Especially the processors to help out physics. I want to know more about that because if thats powerful, then you don't need the gpu to help.
DoesUs  +   466d ago
"The x1 is an engineering marvel."

It really isn't. Still not listening to me huh? Oh weell, see you in November.
Foxgod  +   466d ago
Yeah, its going to be deja vu, n4g viewers will be mass complaining about reviewers giving higher scores to x1 games.
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FrigidDARKNESS  +   466d ago
@Doesus lol dude i would rather have a fully customizedd system designed from the ground up than a system that uses low cost off the shelf PC parts as stated by Sony CFO.
Brix90  +   466d ago
Let's not get carried away now the X1 will be as good as 360 but "The X1 is an engineering marvel" is crazy when it's big, drags along a power brick and the controllers uses batteries. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to list them as negatives but rather can be seen as poor choices of engineering. As for GPU and graphics, etc I will just have to wait and see after launch whether I get one.
Elit3Nick  +   466d ago
What they have revealed so far at the hotchips event was unlike anything else on the market, just the bizarre 4x8mb ESRAM is baffling techies, no one knows why they would divide it into four parts, but I'm expecting something interesting in the future.
n4rc  +   466d ago
Its big to improve cooling...

It has a power brick for the same reason..

And I'll take removable batteries any day over non replaceable.
blanket14  +   466d ago
You act like sony first party doesn't understand hardware and software where were you this gen when sony proved they can work with pretty much an impossible architecture and make greatness any ps3 exclusive out shines 360 exclusives. ... people seem to forget about ms doesn't deliver after the first 3 or 4 years down the road come one people wake up.
dmitrijs88  +   466d ago
yeah, they suck
iamnsuperman  +   466d ago
Can we drop this. This is just getting stupid because the same counter arguments can be made against every new "secret sauce" or "hidden feature that no-one is allowed to know about yet rubbish". Look be happy with the system you want to buy without trying to justify it with specs related stuff. It may not be the most powerful system but the games make the system (something Microsoft has said since the E3 reveal which really is one of the big counter argument). This has to stop
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Volkama  +   466d ago
The writer of this article is grasping at straws.
GodGinrai  +   466d ago
@Volkama

No..the writer of this article is grasping at hits! lol
UbiquitousClam  +   466d ago
To be honest I wish both consoles were a bit more powerful. I was hoping that consoles could really close the gap to PC this gen and things like native 1080p resolution and 60fps would be the norm but that still doesn't seem to be the case.

Correct me if i've missed something but I can only think of 2 next gen console games that are confirmed to run at native 1080p and 60 fps, those being Killzone SF and Forza 5
Foxgod  +   466d ago
Killzone doesnt run on 1080p 60 fps tho.
Only the multiplayer does, multiplayer maps are less graphical.

Forza 5 is the only game that does 60 fps on 1080p
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GodGinrai  +   466d ago
"Killzone doesnt run on 1080p 60 fps tho.
Only the multiplayer does, multiplayer maps are less graphical."

A fact that many on here seem to like to brush under the rug...
ABeastNamedTariq  +   466d ago
"Killzone doesnt run on 1080p 60 fps tho.
Only the multiplayer does, multiplayer maps are less graphical."

The very fact that you explicitly said the multiplayer does, means its running at 1080/60 in some capacity. You cant say it doesn't then say it is. Ya know? Less graphical? Lol.
Kayant  +   466d ago
@Foxgod

Yes but do you remember how the SP looks compared to the MP---> http://www.youtube.com/watc...
For MP we can see they are scaling back graphics and scale in favour of performance which is what Forza is doing.

1. Forza doesn't have dynamic lighting or shadows and is instead using pre-baked lighting with extremely bright lens flares ---> http://i.imgur.com/ofaejbb.... Video here ---> http://www.youtube.com/watc...

2. Doesn't have a day & night cycle

The car models look amazing and highly detailed there is no denying that.

Yes forza is the only next-gen title doing 1080p 60fps at launch but at what cost? They are clearly favouring performance and have dropped some things to get to that 60fps because we know all these things can be done since GT5 manages to be 1080p 60fps and have all the above. www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQO6JH Zl-Cs

So really at the end of the day it comes down to the dev and what they concentrating on and their talent.
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windblowsagain  +   466d ago
Fox come on dude.

It's a racing game that's running on the 360 engine with added fx and higher rez. It should be 1080p 60fps.

I don't doubt the xboxone will have some sweet looking games. But side by side PS4 Multiplats will be better.
dmitrijs88  +   466d ago
and forza sucks
extermin8or  +   466d ago
Not being funny but the kz foottage i've seen on youtube recorded from conventions etc still looks.... amazing graphics wise so if that's "less graphical" then the 30fps single player must be bloody amazing. Just saying. BF4 runs at just under 1080p on ps4 at 60fps and at 720p on xbox one.... that tells me what I need to know. And you never know dice might finish the optimisation later this month and be like hey we managed to push it that extra little bit to 1080p" these are first generation games remember, partially designed before the final dev kits or hardware were available.... So in the future I expect games will be running at 1080p and 60fps more and more or looking heads and shoulders better than their predecessors running at 720p and 30fps.... as long as the power is being used for something and not being wasted who cares. Personally I'd rather lower resolution at 720p which looks great anyway and 30fps but better graphics, antiailising etc than skimmped graphics for higher fps and resolution.
starchild  +   466d ago
Killzone Shadow Fall is 30fps in the single player campaign and only supports a "soft 60fps" in multiplayer.

This means that the game will go up as high as 60fps at times, but will have dips much below that.

Personally, I don't like variable framerates. I would rather have a solid 30fps than a soft 60fps that dips down into the 30s with wild swings back and forth.

I have my PC for 60fps gaming. All these console people putting pressure on devs to reach 60fps is going to accomplish is that we get games that attempt 60fps but have lots of framerate drops into the 30s or 40s. Stuttery framerates suck.

Give me a solid framerate capped at 30fps on consoles. I'll push my multiplats to 60fps on my PC.
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JohnRecon  +   466d ago
Agree, is not that the HW req for 1080p@60fps is uber new.
If they want the consoles to last at least 5 years, 1080p&60 should be a minimum.
Holeran  +   466d ago
60% of the time the secret sauce works all the time.
alb1899  +   466d ago
Lets play to wait and see, we have to wait just days to see what we want, so lets wait.
jjb1981  +   466d ago
So many secrets this console has... I think we need to send XBOX One on Jerry Springer or Maury Povich..... XBOX One.... You are......................... Not the father!!!!
Brix90  +   466d ago
Didn't all they do is increase the speed of the GPU and can't Sony do the same if it makes such a difference.
1nsomniac  +   466d ago
*edit* Delete this, read it wrong...
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Funantic1  +   466d ago
If MS won an award for their accelerator in 2010 then that obviously is it. Why wouldn't they use it?
ShwankyShpanky  +   466d ago
Fair enough. But it's accelerated GPU encoding, meaning it uses GPU resources. How does that compare to the PS4's dedicated encoding hardware?
SliceOfTruth888  +   466d ago
Wait this article is not bashing Microsoft? DISAGREE!!! I will be lucky enough to own both consoles because well iam not 17 years old, which seems to be the avg age around this site. Even if i couldnt afford both consoles i wouldnt be acting so childish. The way the sony fanbase has acted has been so embarrassing its made me question if i even want to be a part of the culture anymore. From someone who just loves video games when i look at the PS4 i see a console with a ton to prove and they have done a good job. Their first party support is unmatched and out of the top 5 games i have played in the current generation i played them on PS3. I am very excited for what Sony has up their Sleeve.

The XBOX has online gaming cornered. Everyone can moan and groan about XBOX live but its a beast. And now that every single game will feature dedicated servers on Xbox one the service is unmatched. Sony can not compete with this right now which is why you are now going to be charged for online gameplay, because they know how behind they are. The only reason TitanFall is not on PS4 is because Microsoft can foot the bill for what they need online. And that is the Key to what next gen is for me. The Internet is what both of these companies are fighting for. You can sit there and say Sony has this and that, but how fast your online experience is going to be the deciding factor. The money these companies want lie on online and whoever can make you the most money post purchase is where development will follow, not whoever can produce the best graphics. In the end it doesnt matter for me because i will own both, but the fact sony fanboys are so blind and not worried is kind of sad
JamieL  +   466d ago
Dude you can buy both. Can you?
Regis  +   466d ago
I can buy both and I live with my mom in the basement and I'm a 40 year old virgin. I'm joking I'm 20 making $104 dollars a day. P.S I'm a pharmacy technician.
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JamieL  +   465d ago
LOL, I meant that as /s as I possibly could, it's just from the comments on this site you would think it was impossible to like both.
Brix90  +   466d ago
Glad your buying both but Sony isn't charging for online because its trying to catchup in online service with Xbox. It's charging for online because the amount of money they spent on buying Gakai cloud service and are using the money they receive from online subscriptions to fund it. Xbox has been ahead in providing consumers with ways to connect socially then Sony but if you look at this gen a lot if not all Sony exclusives has dedicated servers. MS has been charging for XBL an its now getting dedicated servers after how many years don't get me wrong dedicated servers for online games is great. The fact that PS4 has added all these social features will make the community better make those who are switching platforms feel comfortable.

Cloud technology is something big this generation and MS has the most cloud servers out of any of it competitors but before you count PS4 out of the race in this base know that Sony has made a deal with Rackspace to help them with there cloud and I you don't know Rackspace is one of MS competitors in cloud technology. Anyway sorry guys didn't mean to ramble but I was just trying to a somewhat neutral oppinion.

@SliceofTruth888
This whole comment isnt directed at everything you said but to somewhat add to it from another perspective. Anyway hope you enjoy your purchases.
mp1289  +   466d ago
You made good points.You make a good case for the importance of the internet, but it is not everything. Microsoft had this mentality before doing the 180.
The price, exclusives, and even graphics will always play a decisive roll in addition to the online support.

The pricepoint of the xbox one is more worrisome imo, $500 is a high starting price and could lead to a low install base which would then lead to low software sales which could then lead to less developer support. Kinect could be great, but its a gamble that prevented a $400 xbox one.
PositiveEmotions  +   466d ago
"Microsoft has said that the power gap between the PS4 and the Xbox One isn’t noticeable"

Really? Because i noticed it right away.
BattleTorn  +   466d ago
In comparing which game running on both consoles?
PositiveEmotions  +   466d ago
They both look great but the ps4 has more details in graphics.
extermin8or  +   466d ago
Deep Downs gameplay trailer and the footage yesterday at tgs is better than any game on the xbox one atm and deep down it seems is at least 10 months if not a year from seeing release... so....
lifeisgamesok  +   466d ago
I think it'll be a combination of new AMD tech since the gpu will be custom along with processing units. The main Soc is nicknamed Oban
Jeedai Infidel  +   466d ago
I'm older than fourteen, am I allowed to be on this site?
GodGinrai  +   466d ago
LMAO! my fave post. ;)
Regis  +   466d ago
Yes, yes you are able to be on this site. For being here we will elevate your status to Noob.
Elit3Nick  +   466d ago
you win the internet ^^
1nsomniac  +   466d ago
I thought Microsoft own guy came out earlier today or yesterday & debunked this himself?
sync90  +   466d ago
PS4 is more powerful, but not in a huge way. the differences in multiplats will be minimal. its the exclusives where you'll really see ps4 shine.
Dlacy13g  +   466d ago
I honestly don't care at this point if the PS4 is "more" powerful.... good for Sony for making a good kit. I absolutely like what I see from the Xbox One and am perfectly fine with what its offering, secret sauce or not.
ATi_Elite  +   466d ago
The HD7850 is SLIGHTLY more powerful than a HD7790 . Both are good GPU's and the difference is usually 5 to 15 fps difference (depending on the game).

The HD7790 does run cooler and uses less juice.

anyway The XB1 GPU accelerated ENCODING has NOTHING to do with Video Game Rendering.

Encoding is when your turning one video format into another like taking H.264 and encoding to DVD format or taking a broadband signal and encoding it to play on your TV like when a Digital Cable Box encodes a broadband signal to play on your Tv which the XB1 will do.

Yes having the GPU do it is really fast but most likely the CPU will be offloading this work tot he "Move engines" and NOT the GPU.

The GPU will be strictly for Games unless MS has a video editing program to offer then yeh Gpgpu encoding will happen.
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Volkama  +   466d ago
Indeed. It is quite possible MS have this tech in the box, but it's more likely to feature in the multimedia side of the console that everyone loves to hate. It isn't graphics secret sauce...
windblowsagain  +   466d ago
xboxone does not have a 7790.lol.

It's has less tmu's and less compute units and no GDDR5.
jjb1981  +   466d ago
The exclusives will show what each system can do. The developers have better sdks when they develop games that are exclusive. It showed this gen and will next gen... Wait a minute... GTA V is coming out in 6 days 8 hours and 55 mins... Who cares?!??!?!??!!!!
porkChop  +   466d ago
Yes... because hardware acceleration is somehow a new concept/technology. It's not new and it's been around for years. It's not some secret weapon for the Xbox One.

"Power doesn’t always translate to performance. Let’s consider a race between high performance cars: say you have a car with 700 horsepower under the hood but the weight distribution causes the tires to lose traction and spin, a larger engine wouldn’t hold a candle to a car with 400 horsepower that’s been built with balance in mind."

Yeah that analogy works until you realize that computer hardware doesn't work the way cars do. Both consoles are based on the exact same architecture. The only different is that one console (the PS4) has between 30% to 50% more raw power. If the 2 consoles were based on different architectures, that raw power might not mean much.

But with them being based on the same architecture it means that the PS4 will run faster every single time. That's just how computer hardware works. The development tools/software can make a big difference, sure, but so far multiple developers have stated that Sony's tools are currently far superior to Microsoft's.
tigertom53  +   466d ago
We should all know that story between AMD and Intel in Ghz. someways they are the same and someways they are quite different because of the in house customization of the CPU and GPU especially Microsoft. In a year i think will all have the answers, i really don't think their going to be much of a difference between the two graphically..
worldwidegaming  +   465d ago
Indeed we shall see.
This is going to be one fun season.
Id wish people put some real cash and invest in these companies.
People,put up your savings if you think its a sure bet!
Vip3r  +   466d ago
The 400hp Porsche is still gonna beat the 700hp chevy guys.

This just means an overclock or turbo mode of such which will kick up a lot of fan noise and make a lot of heat.

PS4 is still my choice.
tigertom53  +   466d ago
I agree with the Porsche and Chevy, but disagree with the heat, all testers said X1 is the most quite console on the market and runs very cool..
nosferatuzodd  +   466d ago
oh Microsoft i can tell youre a guy with no dignity you rather go kicking and screaming
90Supra  +   466d ago
another one? smh...

just let the consoles drop and then compare the retail units side by side...
Mithan  +   466d ago
You guys all sound like a bunch of fucking retards for the most part.
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