A look at the Xbox One's secret weapon
So many "secret" weapons, but nothing real, first the cloud, then dGPU, now this. What's next?
another day with another secret in the xbone (-_-) off topic: M.Cerny never compared Ps4 too x1 or hinted anything about the other camp nor talked in PR stuns
No one asked him. People are always asking are always asking M$ Exec's about PS4 so they answer. Haven't herd them say a negative thing about PS4 yet.
Xbox is becoming like the.krusty. crab. All kinds of dear ol secret sauces. Just be.upfront already jeez, they r trying to hard to defend their product every few hrs its oozing with desperation
@Bigpappy People ask MS because they give info that make no sense, like the latest Neogaf fiasco by Penello
I think this is a bit of wishful thinking really. Another hope to be dashed I expect. The author even admits to being a big MS fan so make of that what you will.
Xbox One is weaker than PS4, everyone knows that. Now Xbox fanboys are trying to grasp at any and every little thing to close the gap. MS is releasing a weaker console #dealwithit. Xbox One will have inferior multiplat games, so what. Just play the games and be happy. If you want the best specs and superior next gen multiplats get a PS4 for cheaper. It's that simple.
While something like this would make very interesting news if true, I don't see it happening. Why would Microsoft keep any secrets about potential speed boosts. They sure did hurry that overclock on the CPU out. No matter what software the XWon runs, the GPU in the PS4TW is more powerful. Also to all the people above me. This has nothing to do with Microsoft. This article is by Rickey Gibson and Tyler Zdenek. Blame them. Furthermore, The majority of people commenting on this are Sony fans, not Xbox fans "Grasping at Straws".
Just getting sad now. http://i.minus.com/ilERlIua...
LOL that gif is a perfect discription
No Heavy BigBappy is correct the sony cheerleaders over at neogaf continue making false claims like the yeild problems and manufacturing delays, 50% power mis-qoutes of devs and accuse Penello etc of all sorts of stuff and the guy respectfully answers them and said nothing bad about sony. Truth is sonyfanboys have built a record of caring far more about X1 than X1 folks care about ps4. Its apparent in every specs, games, policy, kinect or business related article to microsoft yet you act naive as to why the guy is speaking out.
Joke - You couldn't be more right. I'm getting an Xbox One so I only concentrate on Xbox One articles. It's getting ridiculous how many Sony fans comment in Xbox related articles. It's almost like they're constantly trying to justify their decision. Sad really.
@Jokes Nobody said anything about rumors. I was talking about some of Penello's claims that made no sense from a technical standpoint. Grasping straws much to defend your precious cable box? @denawayne You can say the same about Xbox fans coming up with positive rumors that end up being debunked
@JOY: "accuse Penello etc of all sorts of stuff and the guy respectfully answers" with bullshit. I've read through more than 15 pages of that 20+ page GAF thread, and people are asking very straightforward questions that Penello refuses to answer. Penello claims the Xbone has a faster CPU... but Sony hasn't released their CPU clock, so people asked how he knew Xbone's was faster. No response from Penello. Penello said that the 6% clock boost on the CUs resulted in more than a 6% performance boost. People asked how, because that doesn't make sense. No answer from Penello. Penello said that 50% more CUs on the PS4 GPU doesn't equate to a 50% performance gain for the chip, because there is inherent efficiency losses the higher the CU count. But those efficiency losses don't apply to highly parallel calculations, like with graphics calculations. People pointed that out and asked for clarification. No response from Penello. (well, there was his "I know a wizard" response ... sorry ... "I know a Technical Fellow and they're super smart and he says it's true.") And then of course there's the good ol' memory bandwidth issue... with Penello adding the DDR3 bandwidth to the eSRAM bandwidth to get a peak of 272Gb/s. Funny thing about that is that apparently when you run with "MS math," the 360 had higher bandwidth than the Xbone! "Our peak on paper is 272gb/sec." http://www.neogaf.com/forum... "Xbox 360 has 278.4 GB/s of memory system bandwidth." http://majornelson.com/2005... There are plenty of people on GAF that are familiar with the technical ins and outs of game development and computer science, and they're calling Penello on his spin. Pathetically attempting to label them as "Sony chearleaders" does nothing but heap more sand upon your deeply buried head.
^ It's simple. Sony can't because it's design is final. Believe me when I tell you that when companies have ANYTHING to claim they'll do so. Since not eve a hint of anything but the specs announced a while back tells you they have nothing else but added features. Their last conference should hint to you that FACT since it was only Deep Down and PS Vita TV that was announced... Also, how can you not do YOUR OWN DD and find that they've stated it time and time again that the ESRAM is an upgrade from EDRAM. Two totally different designs and why ESRAM is an integral part of the Xbox One, pointed DIRECTLY at the GPU! How can anyone debunk anything that hasn't even been proven otherwise?! Consoles hasn't even released, and they've said it'll take overtime for Azure to show it's true potential. Games to look out for are Black Tusk Studio's game, Forza 5 and Sunset Overdrive. NOTHING HAS BEEN DEBUNKED! Can anyone prove me their arguments?! This a so called "discussion" board isn't it?? EDIT: You should leave GAF...and go to beyond3d if you your fuzzy lil' head can handle the technical part.
but jack trentin did it plenty, So don't act like Mirosoft is the only one that is bringing up the competitor.
@Shwanky "I've read through more than 15 pages of that 20+ page GAF thread, and people are asking very straightforward questions" -Some yes but there is a lot of this too: "Penello just keeps digging his hole ..STHAP" "Shut up with all this PR nonsense" "Forty f**king percent! Where's my whiskey bottle?" "Penello claims the Xbone has a faster CPU... but Sony hasn't released their CPU clock, so people asked how he knew Xbone's was faster. No response from Penello." -Well its simple here the normal clockspeed for AMD's Jaguar is 1.6 http://www.anandtech.com/sh... sure sony could have upclocked too but they aren't on record stating such with hundreds of sites coming to this conclusion they have never denied it while micro did state an upgraded CPU clockspeed. "Penello said that the 6% clock boost on the CUs resulted in more than a 6% performance boost. People asked how, because that doesn't make sense. No answer from Penello." -Wrong he did answer its right in his statement: "Adding to that, each of our CU's is running 6% faster. It's not simply a 6% clock speed increase overall." -Its not his fault if fanboys just say no, no, no you're wrong...prove it. "Penello said that 50% more CUs on the PS4 GPU doesn't equate to a 50% performance gain for the chip, because there is inherent efficiency losses the higher the CU count." -Wrong he said "18 CU's vs. 12 CU's =/= 50% more performance. Multi-core processors have inherent inefficiency with more CU's, so it's simply incorrect to say 50% more GPU."= True "And then of course there's the good ol' memory bandwidth issue" Not the same comparison years apart and Major is calculating total bandwidth of both I believe which extreme tech outlined years ago with this: "The Xbox 360 has an extensive amount of bandwidth in comparison to its competition; however, this statistic includes the eDRAM logic to memory bandwidth, and not internal CPU bandwidths. The eDRAM internal logic to its internal memory bandwidth is 256 GB/s. The high bandwidth is used primarily for z-buffering, alpha blending, and antialiasing; it saves time and space on the GPU die. Between the eDRAM die and the GPU, data is transferred at 32 GB/s. The memory interface bus has a bandwidth of 22.40 GB/s and the Southbridge a bandwidth of 500 MB/s." http://www.extremetech.com/... -Again I think Alberts mistake is engaging with neogaf at all,(I said this a couple weeks ago) they will twist everything he says or just call it PR. I don't think most people there are interested in the actual differences they only just want to hear that the ps4 is a super computer capable of cooking you breakfast.
I keep hearing stuff about the xbox having customised chips and sony having off the shelf parts, didnt mark cerny state that both the cpu and gpu in the ps4 were modified? Look back at the first video of mark explaining the ins and outs of the ps4 for the answer
You right it's these Ponies that are saying this %30 to %50 percent. Do you expect that big a difference on $500 hundred dollar machines. The specs and Arch are identical.
Specs aside....the games do the talking. I won't refute the difference on paper...IDK. The comparisons I see and the news put together....it won't be that big of a difference. PC elitists laugh at people who think the PS4 is a high end PC. Kinda makes you think then the X1 is so weak it's a WiiU. Strictly games...it's running every third party game the PS4 is running and devs say there won't be much of a difference. If only a handful of Sony devs..mainly SSM and ND...really show the difference in power would it be something to keep boasting about? If a few years down the road the PS4 gets a few extra bumps in detail..yet the X1 gets the core game intact is there anything gamers are missing out on? Everyone knows the paper specs are great...but actions speak louder than words and the X1 isn't lagging behind. Gamers are getting powerful systems on both sides...even if there is no secret sauce. @black0o I could link to IGN saying the PS4 demo was sorely lacking in visuals and was only running 16 players. We could go back and forth about who said what. I could say the X1 supports DirectX and we know DICE is supporting it on PC....it wouldn't solve or prove anything at this point especially since DICE is adamant about not showing BF running on consoles. All in all...it's still getting the core game.
example BF4 on ps4 runs at higher thn 720p http://www.craveonline.com/... http://abload.de/img/jackbf... while x1 runs at 720p guess what's gonna happen after a year or 18 months
I never get too evolved in the spec's wars. These games are optimized for the hardware they run on. Not everyone has the same power PC yet they all go on 'steam', download what they want and play it. Same will happen here and the results will be even closer. No if some one was to ask me what I think is X1 biggest feature over PS4, I would have to say Kinect. Kinect is the secret sauce. It is going to sell more X1's for M$ than any single game or feature. Matching power and graphics only here with fanboy wars. But unique features truly work as a selling tool.
@Bigpappy good to here someone not being a fancy boy on here. Im sure people on this site who keep talking about power have only been gaming for ps3 generation. Power has never been the reason why people buy a games console. Example, Wii, ps2, psx over the last 3 gens had the lest power out of the other consoles in the same generation but they had the games people wanted. Another example the 360 was the go to console for games at the start of this generation and that a why it sold well but as the generation went on Sony brought out more ips and the ps3 sales picked up. The start of a new generation is not about power or 3rd party games it about the exclusive games as the cod and bf fans will not be buying a new console for the same game they can gent on there current gen console and the ps3 and 360 still have games like gta 5 and gt6 which are not on the new gen consoles. Another example is the psv. It is far better than the 3ds in terms of specs but it is lacking the games and this is the reason why its not selling as well as the 3ds. The next gen is going to be interesting as the ps4, Wiiu and Xbox one all have must own games as of the end of this year but it will be between Christmas this year and next we will are which console the main stream and core gamers want.
I think this whole power debate is nonsense as well. I mean a high end pc wins out. If you want the best experience get it on pc, end of debate. The reason to own a console is for the exclusive games, among a few other reasons. 28 of my 37 games on ps3 are ONLY on ps3. I have a few multiplatform games for playing with friends, and the rest are on my pc.
@bigpappy, i disagree, kinect has only sold to a fraction of the 360 install base, i think you are giving it more credit as a system seller than it deserves, i dont think kinect is as popular as you think, i dont think kinect 2.0 would sell any better than the first and thats why its coming in with the system, either way this next gen is gonna be close, i cant wait for all the new games :-)
To be fair, the only one of those that you list has been actually proclaimed by microsoft is the cloud. It's all speculation created by people, that gets latched onto and everyone starts discussing it to hell. Then MS will say no its a false rumor. And then the process starts again. Its become like a gameshow, a bad gameshow. "And todays rumour will beeeeee....... drum roll.... (insert rumour here).
What do you mean "first the cloud"? You have to be in total denial if you think that the cloud doesn't exist/work. We already have many examples of the cloud in action, Azure itself is used to provide more processing power to computers, we had onlive which processed complete games all from the cloud, and even Gaikai to some degree.
The funny thing is that you say it's me the one in total denial
the problem with the cloud its limited by bandwith , so what xbox fans were thinking its not possible. image countries with low internet speeds they would have breaks on single player games. is that a way to get supporters? No. hell most part of the world doesent even support internet speeds for that to happen
@Nekroo91 Recently AT&T bought more Speed access from Verizon for 1.9 billion so I will receive in increase in bandwith so I will have better connectivity to said clouds and severs. But sad for Europe who won't receive very good bandwith from both Gaikai and Azure.
Nekroo91, so how does Gaika work? The slower the internet speed, the closer I get to only playing pong?
@Regis It doesn't really matter how fast your internet might be when most other people still have limited bandwidth. Dvs are going to limit what the do with the cloud because most people won't have sufficient bandwidth to do too much. Because there is no guarantee regarding the bandwidth and latency they will mainly use the cloud for non-critical features. It would be silly to expend a lot of effort on something that few users can really use.
The next Xbox One secret.......... "There is really a PS4 inside there" LMAO
how about a original title.
Original Xbox was much more powerful than PS2 with its Nvidia GPU and Intel processor and yet most games looked the same and most people couldn't tell a difference. PS3 was supposedly 2x more powerful than Xbox 360 and yet we didn't see even 00.1x the difference in power. Pretty much no difference at all. If any, Xbox 360 actually ran some multiplatform games better. I bet millions we don't see any differences between Xbox One and PS4 in graphical capability. They both are gonna look the same even if Xbox One launch games looked better over all. Spec sheets mean nothing in real-time performance. U can look at the differences between latest dual core iPhones vs quad core Androids running at a higher clock speed, real-time performance is what matters. Both consoles use similar APU tech and capable of running games at 1080p max. PS4 fanboyz need to know about the law of diminishing returns. PS4 spec just doesn't go far enough for an average gamer to see any difference in graphics and overall performance. If people's sole reason is "Graphics" then they will be very disappointed cause PS4 & Xbox One games will look identical. If graphic's is your main concern which in N4G, it seems it is...Just get a f****** high end PC and ur sorted cause PS4 VS Xbox One, u just will not see the huge graphical difference. Go ahead Sony fanboyz, press the negative button. N4G is filled with Sonyfanboyz. It'll only prove i am right.
Not one 360 game technically and graphically outshines last of us. Hell or even gow3 or uc2
@xReDeMpTiOnx That's ur opinion. I though Gears of War 3 & Halo 4 matched Uncharted 3 & Last of Us in graphics but ultimately the best looking game on console is a multiplatform game...Crysis 3. Simply the best looking game i have seen this generation on consoles and the best looking game ever via PC. GTA5 is also looking like a solid contender for the best console graphics. I own a PS3 & Xbox 360. I enjoy both consoles, i'm just stating my opinion how i see it.
"Original Xbox was much more powerful than PS2 with its Nvidia GPU and Intel processor and yet most games looked the same and most people couldn't tell a difference." That's actually pretty false, most Xbox games looked better than PS2 games because it was more powerful. "PS3 was supposedly 2x more powerful than Xbox 360 and yet we didn't see even 00.1x the difference in power. Pretty much no difference at all. If any, Xbox 360 actually ran some multiplatform games better." Somewhat false again, not a single Xbox game looks as good as The Last Of Us, Uncharted 2-3, or the upcoming Beyond: Two Souls. 360 ran most mutiplatform games better because the architecture was much easier than that of a PS3. "I bet millions we don't see any differences between Xbox One and PS4 in graphical capability. They both are gonna look the same even if Xbox One launch games looked better over all. Spec sheets mean nothing in real-time performance. U can look at the differences between latest dual core iPhones vs quad core Androids running at a higher clock speed, real-time performance is what matters. Both consoles use similar APU tech and capable of running games at 1080p max." PS4 games such as KZ:SF and Driveclub look better than Xbox One launch exclusives, although games like Ryse and Forza 5 look great. There will be differences, people will be able to tell the differences as the PS4 will perform better, but it won't be astronomically huge. Games on both systems will be able to run games(not graphic heavy games) in the middle or end of their life cycles, it's pretty much a given. "PS4 fanboyz need to know about the law of diminishing returns. PS4 spec just doesn't go far enough for an average gamer to see any difference in graphics and overall performance. If people's sole reason is "Graphics" then they will be very disappointed cause PS4 & Xbox One games will look identical. If graphic's is your main concern which in N4G, it seems it is...Just get a f****** high end PC and ur sorted cause PS4 VS Xbox One, u just will not see the huge graphical difference. Go ahead Sony fanboyz, press the negative button. N4G is filled with Sonyfanboyz. It'll only prove i am right." True colors shown, N4G username is Forza.
Well I'm a Sony fan (sort of) and I agree with you. To some extent anyway. It's true about the law of diminishing returns. i.e. ...it takes a large jump in hardware power for a significant increase in graphics and frame rate. I'm sure there will be 1st party studios who eke out the most from each system. The competition is good for all of us.
Cant people wait till the darn thing is released instead of looking for articles 24 hours aday to bash it and high five one another. This gets really old for people who want to read real unbiased news. Sorry but this is my opinion.
don't forget the 12gig ram lol :)
The games are real you blind PS troll. Look at the frackin games we have seen...
Open your eyes little man. Xbox One games look and play better so hmmmm somerhing must be true.
@xHeavYx #1 What's real is; Forza 5 running 1080p "native" @ 60fps. See, that's all talk aside! Meanwhile, other devs say "we're running our game well over 30fps": what does that mean? Talk is cheap, Forza 5 is displaying power on screen for us to see for ourselves!
Read this comment and cry http://n4g.com/news/1351788...
Excellent article. A lot of people just copy and paste what they see but don't understand. Both systems have absolute gorgeous graphics. But we have some on here who just keep spouting DDR Remix! We will definitely see Xbox One come into it's own further down the line and then this will go the way of RAM, hUMA and the FCC report (Oh, and MS selling off Xbox). Edit: So many "tears" from the other camp, what's next?
Whatever you say Mr. Xbox.
M$'s secret sauce is 99% BS and 1% Methane
And some blue food coloring to appear like Heisenbergs
I'm sorry I didn't realize that you own an Xb1, seriously hold your fanboy comments until the consoles actually come out, the fact you say these things is because you're hoping it's not true.
>>So many "tears" from the other camp From laughing, perhaps.
Haters gonna hate.
Makes no sense.
Dummies gonna post
Idiot's gonna post.
Copying the same thing over and over, oh poor troll.
What's the next "secret weapon"? Kinect acts like another GPU?
Funny you say that, yesterday on GAF someone was joking that a third GPU was in the power brick. LOL
Its funny how people are going back and forth over this. Waste of time IMO. I say it now and said it all along...look at the games. Both sytems are on par. John Carmack said the same, Ill take his owrd over N4G any day. These same people will be posting on the day they get their systems. Not enjoying games but rather argue about them. Womp womp... I cant wait for x1 so I can stop visiting this site for news.
Im with you on that one Godz Kastro. The vibe around here is pretty negative to say the least.Thinking of just reading the news on IGN/eurogamer etc. and staying way the hell away from N4g. Im getting bored of seeing these articles . We already know the specs of X1..next subject plese. you already know what type of people make up most of the 300+ post on this thread. Not gonna say anything more than that. So dont pay it no mind. I just gloss over the BS comments and I dont give em a second thought.
I've thought so many times of just leaving this site and the fanboys to bicker among themselves but unfortunately there is no other site that organizes all gaming news in one place :/
Its why I keep coming back... I'm at work in my phone... Having everything in one place makes life easier.. Even if I have to search thru all the bs to get to facts
teh cloudz, teh dedicated serverz, teh dGPU, teh Rise graphics, teh mega ultimate Titan Fall and now teh GPU acceleration super secret sauce. What a joke.
Seriously dude.. Are you over 14?
Your nickname does not match your words,Where is the nature of the logic here?
Oh jeez, you're such a fanboy.
People can cling on to specs all they want, its the games that make the difference, and the X1 games are making the difference.