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Chris Charla on ID@Xbox, Microsoft’s bid to harness the power of indie games on Xbox One

Edge:We speak to the director of Microsoft’s ID@Xbox program to find out when and how indies can release their games on Xbox One.

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GribbleGrunger3874d ago (Edited 3874d ago )

When MS said that every Xbox One would be a development kit, I wonder if people realized they were just talking about Project Spark? Seems to me they were a tad misleading with their messaging earlier on. Why else were there conversations from media outlets about how this would work and how MS would monitor the content?

"Everyone, whether they’re a new developer or a student or a hobbyist is going to be able to use their Xbox One to create content. Even to people who can’t code at all, or have no interest in learning how to code, they’ll be able to use things like Project Spark to make game experiences."

Very misleading and something that will become a talking point in the future for many websites and forums, in which it will be argued that the PS3 has been a development kit since LBP1 released. I often argued on LBPcentral that MM should advertise the game as a development kit, but I wouldn't go so far as making out the hardware itself was a development kit because of one game.

This is the second verification and the language is already shifting message to something approaching the truth. Glad to see it, but I wonder how many people will remember the initial claim? I do:

"In a statement to Kotaku today confirming news that leaked earlier on Game Informer, Xbox's corporate vice president Marc Whitten said that all Xbox Ones will function as development kits, which are usually only available to licensed developers."

http://kotaku.com/microsoft...

darthv723874d ago

Not disagreeing but: "they’ll be able to use things like Project Spark" implies there could potentially be other options than just Project Spark.

We just need to wait and see.

GribbleGrunger3874d ago (Edited 3874d ago )

Look at the difference between the message now and the message then. They're just talking about Play, Create, share.

Godmars2903874d ago (Edited 3874d ago )

MS making misleading statement? No!

mhunterjr3874d ago (Edited 3874d ago )

@gribblegrunger Man, you totally blew it when it comes to interpreting his comment. There are several interviews where they explain that in the future any console can be used as a full on development kit. The reference to project spark is simply about gamers who don't want to be developers being able to be content creators.

GribbleGrunger3874d ago

We'll see, and I promise you that I will be quite willing and happy to say I was wrong if that's the case.

P0werVR3874d ago

^

Yeah, I kinda get that sense. But either way, if they're talking about the "white box" then that will make some sense.

Just so long as they filter crap out, then we're good. There was just too many terrible and inappropriate games.

GribbleGrunger3874d ago (Edited 3874d ago )

I'm not saying it's a bad thing -- it worked brilliantly with LBP1/LBP2/LBPKarting on the PS3 -- I'm saying it was a misleading message.

P0werVR3874d ago

I agreed with you to that point. But if you're referring to PS3 as a dev kit...your just doing yourself injustice now.

LBP series are just games, nothing more or less than that.

Because I haven't come across anything where Sony ever claimed that PS3 was a dev kit.

GribbleGrunger3874d ago (Edited 3874d ago )

That's the point I'm making lol. It isn't a development kit on the PS3 and nor is it a development kit on the X1. They're just games that allow you to create content and share it. When MS talk about every X1 being a development kit, they're not talking about a firmware update (as some people speculated) they're talking about a game.

P0werVR3874d ago (Edited 3874d ago )

Oh, sorry bout that! lol.

@Godmars290

Funny how you did that right there, lol!

Like a snap feature.

Godmars2903874d ago

"LBP series are just games, nothing more or less than that."

Have you played any of the LBP community levels? there's everything from pinball games to 2D/3D shooters and strategy titles to RPGs and platforms. It one game which can be used to make multiple genres of games. Movies too.

Really don't get how Sony does a thing and its just that thing, ten MS does something similar and yet its a game changer.

GribbleGrunger3874d ago (Edited 3874d ago )

I'm not sure if you're addressing me, but yes, I am aware of the LBP community and what they have accomplished. It took me months and months to put this together:

http://www.lbpcentral.com/f...

I've been astonished at the diversity and skills of the community and having dappled in Boolean logic in an attempt to emulate the greats (and failed) I can't help but feel complete admiration for them. I'm looking forward to MM pushing it to the next level on the PS4, but I'll tell you now: if they get everything handed on a plate like you have in Spark, they'll be pretty annoyed. They love being able to play with the logic and not just mix and max set logical steps.

Enable what you create to work as a standalone game and monetise the system for the best creators, and THEN we can start thinking of it as a development tool :)

Grown Folks Talk3874d ago

Every unit being a dev kit won't be available at launch. Project Spark will be, or at least close to it.

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ID@Xbox Sending "Tons More" Xbox Series X Devkits to Devs This Summer;"Full Steam Ahead on Next-Gen"

Today, during the Guerrilla Collective show, ID@Xbox director Chris Charla provided some insight about Microsoft's plans for indie developers and next-gen.

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timotim1405d ago

This is critical in getting as many games as possible despite what some say about indie devs. The more the merrier.

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Microsoft Explains How Games for Xbox Game Pass Are Selected; Over 90% Users Are Trying New Genres

During a panel at PDXCon 2019, Microsoft senior director of ID Productions Chris Charla talked about Xbox Game Pass and how games are selected for it.

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Orionsangel1642d ago

Great service but crappy store.

nowitzki20041642d ago

I don't have any problems with the store at all. What problems are you experiencing?

Orionsangel1642d ago

@nowitzki2004 Download errors and images not appearing.

DJStotty1642d ago

@Orions

Could be your connection/router as opposed to XBL.

Orionsangel1641d ago

@DJStotty Nope. I'm on Xfinity with 356.3Mbps

nowitzki20041641d ago (Edited 1641d ago )

@Orionsangel Maybe something to do with your connection? not meaning speed, but something in your settings. Just recently I started having trouble loading Netflix on my PS4 and Xbox One and my speed is good. But it has something to do with my Wi-fi router settings. Still havent figured it out, but it only affects Netflix so far for me, nothing else.

DJStotty1638d ago

@orions

Just because you have a fast DL/UL speed, does not mean you will not have gateway errors with a bad router/connection.

Re-read and try again

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gangsta_red1643d ago (Edited 1643d ago )

"Just yesterday Paraxox Interactive announced Crusader Kings III, mentioning that it’ll be on Xbox Game Pass for PC on day one when it releases in 2020"

Nice, not bad for a service that doesn't support the developer.

I just dl and tried Dead Cells and it's seriously some of the best fun I've had with a game.

Obscure_Observer1643d ago

"Just yesterday Paraxox Interactive announced Crusader Kings III, mentioning that it’ll be on Xbox Game Pass for PC on day one when it releases in 2020"

Microsoft making their AAA games avaliable day one on gamepass is probably incentive enough to some third party developers do the same!

So much to discover! My kids are playing Decenders and having a blast! :)

Anomander1642d ago

Check out Lonely Mountains: Downhill when it hits GamePass on Oct. 23rd. Fun Mountain biking game. No tricks to perform, just downhill racing and jumps to land. Trails to explore. Tons of fun

rob-GP1642d ago

that and money - lots of money. Let's not forget they paid over 19m dollars for DMC 5 and MH and they weren't day-one

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aconnellan1643d ago

“ Nice, not bad for a service that doesn't support the developer”

So the games get put on there for free without permission, and Microsoft don’t pay the developers to do it?

DaDrunkenJester1642d ago (Edited 1642d ago )

I think that comment was him being sarcastic and poking fun at the people saying the GamePass model isnt sustainable and why would 3rd party devs bother.

Wasabi1642d ago

@Aconnellan

"So the games get put on there for free without permission, and Microsoft don’t pay the developers to do it?"

Gangsta was using sarcasm to echo and disprove the sentiment that some users have expressed previously.

derektweed11641d ago

I've been playing crusader kings II a lot recently, I'm really looking forward to 3 being on Game Pass

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lelo2play1643d ago

Tried this service on the PC... unfortunately the dam app was always giving error when starting to download a game.

Never had problems with other PC game launchers (Steam, Epic, Uplay, etc).

Fishy Fingers1643d ago

Thats wierd. Check your OS version is up to date.

lelo2play1642d ago

My OS is up to date (1903 version) and with original Windows key. Even deactivated my firewall... problem is the Windows Xbox app...

monkey6021643d ago (Edited 1643d ago )

I had the same problem. It's an issue with the Microsoft store in general. There's a roundabout way of fixing it involving going into the command files and clearing all the update data out. A pain in the ass and I've had to do it a couple of times but it works

nowitzki20041643d ago

PC is left out on Gamepass anyways, there is so much on Gamepass that isnt available for PC. But those games have PC versions..

timotim1642d ago

Their are games on Gamepass for PC that are not available for the service on console too. I have Ultimate which gets me all of it.

King_Noctis1642d ago

I had the same problem as well. The damn store is a pain in the rear to get working sometimes.

rainslacker1642d ago

Think that's an issue with the store itself. On my home computer, I've tried to get two apps from it on different occassions, and both times it gave me an error. Can't remember the fix, but it's fairly easy to do as I recall. Has something to do with how Win10 authenticates stuff. Still....it shouldn't be something that people have to do, and enough people need to do it that it's a well documented problem and easy to find fix.

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Italiano12345671643d ago

Thats obvious. Isnt that what a rental service is. I used to rent movies all the time i never would of bought or seen. Duh

gamer78041643d ago

eh not really the same as a rental service for several reasons. You get the games for a long enough period of time to beat them, not just a couple of days to squeeze it in and not really enjoy rushing through. Additionally, you then can buy the game at a discount should you choose to. Furthermore, its different because you get access to a vast selection of games all at once, and those are the same games your friends can play, which results in an instant catalog of games that you can play together regardless if everyone wants to spend enough to buy at retail.

P_Bomb1643d ago (Edited 1643d ago )

It is a rental. I’m under no pretense that I own anything I Spotify, Netflix, Gamefly, EA Access, PS Now, PS+ or GamePass. I’m fine with that.

Blockbuster actually had similar GamePass rental packages back in the day albeit much more expensive. $30 or something and you could lease anything and everything for that month. Rentals haven’t always been limited to a weekend, and you absolutely could buy said rental at a discount. Think of it as a brick and mortar Gamefly. A world before online, heh. BC = Before Computers lol! Growing up in the NES era, I wouldn’t say I was rushed, but I absolutely could beat games in a weekend.

The scenario I see playing out, is more publishers following Hollywood and launching their own services ala EA and Ubisoft. The libraries will eventually become more splintered. Some will fail like anything does (Shomi), but I could see Squeenix, Capcom, Activision channels making a go of it, with the occasional Sega or WB. Competition will hopefully keep the prices down. My Netflix on the other hand did go up twice in two years https://www.narcity.com/new...

As it stands for games, $5 - $10 a month is still cheaper than a month of DCUO. If anything I see MMO guys having to re-evaluate their own subscription pricing.

gamer78041643d ago

@P_Bomb. I didn't say it wasn't a rental, I just said it wasn't the same as traditional rentals, for reasons I stated as it having an advantage over traditional rental services.

xTonyMontana1642d ago

The old ones like Blockbusters maybe but new ones via post you can keep them for as long as you want.

rob-GP1642d ago

You're thinking of rental services from many years ago. Look at Boomerang - the biggest UK rental service. They send you out multiple games, you keep as long as you want, then you post them back and get more. If you like the game you have, you can buy it off them for a discounted price and they post you the box and everything inside as if it was new.

So technically, it's working exactly like the rental services, only you don't have to wait to receive your next games.

gamer78041642d ago

@rob-GP I don't live in the UK, but boomerang looks just like blockbuster, you can keep a max of 2 games at a time, at a max at 4 a month, thats a far cry from 50-100 games playing and switching out as much as you want. and that costs like 12 euro, the same as gamespass and no waiting on games being available or shipping time.

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gamer78041643d ago

really enjoyed hellblade and Blair witch stories. I never tried hell blade when it was on ps4 mainly due to not being sold on it, but trying it for free + my gold subscription well worth it, amazing game. Blair witch was also a pleasant surprise with a pretty good story.

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Microsoft talks Project Scarlett ID@Xbox plans

ID@Xbox senior director Chris Charla discusses Project Scarlett, along with more general topics such as the impact of subscription services and consolidation on independent developers, and thoughts on the wider game curation debate.

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