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Submitted by TalonJH 889d ago | news

Devs say one console is more powerful

Adrian C. (Former People Can Fly) Claims His Dev Friends Claim 50% XB1/PS4 Speed Diff (PS4, Xbox One)

Update It's unclear if Adrian is referring to actual console speed or development time when referring to the 50%. His reply to a tweet does say, "the PS4 is more powerful".

Confirmation of Whether the claim is true or not will only come with time.

Actual tweet URL below

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pyramidshead  +   889d ago | Well said
uh oh lol :X

Also just seen this, and had to add, made me chuckle :P
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ZodTheRipper   889d ago | Immature | show
-Foxtrot  +   889d ago | Well said
You know it's like a pattern with the two consoles since they were both revealed

Xbox One negative news
PS4 positive news
...and so on


Xbox One positive news
PS4 SUPER DUPER positive news that crushes/debunks Xbox news

It's hard to take a company like Microsoft seriously when they speak out about the Xbox One because as the news tells us now it's not looking good. Hell since Kinect was revealed all we have gotten from MS are lies after lies, promises that are never fulfilled or stuff which they try and cover up.

Honestly I just don't see how a gamer can stick by MS blindly and defend them when it's just an on going downward slope. I mean one or two things I understand but after everything thats happened it just makes them kind of people look stupid. Instead we get the whole "YOUR ALL FANBOYS" when really the majority of us are just normal people who have common sense and support/praise the company which are doing you would with pretty much anyone
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Hydrolex  +   889d ago | Well said
This has been said 1000 times before.... simple as sex, ps4 is stronger
Maddens Raiders  +   889d ago | Funny
No Forced Camera
No DRM under patched lock and key.
Less Money
More 1st Party Studios
More Pre-Orders
More Powerful

I would say Greatness Awaits, but now that is almost like telling someone, Geico can save you 15% on car insurance.
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shoddy  +   889d ago | Funny
Powa of teh cloud
ten billion transister
300000 server
% 10 cpu boost.
made by rocket scientists

the winner is............still the ps4
Narutone66  +   889d ago | Well said
So Major Nelson was telling the truth that XB1 is not 30% slower than the PS4. It's 50% slower.
Enemy  +   889d ago | Well said
We've known this the whole time. With PS4's superior GDDR5 RAM and GPU combined, how is this not to be expected? The problem is that Xbox fanboys are very hopeful that Major Nelson, a Microsoft spokesperson, is going to be honest. Every claim that we've heard about PS4 being more powerful has come from developers that Sony doesn't even own.
vulcanproject  +   889d ago | Well said
Yes we have known it. For ages. And tried to tell people that denied it or didn't believe it. Microsoft's damage control has been in effect.

Its not a secret. But this guy is another legit source and just opened that can of worms big time. 2

Dat can....
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aCasualGamer  +   889d ago | Well said
A dev just confirmed what we all knew, that Microsoft is selling an inferior console for 100$ more than a superior PS4.

I don't think we'll be able to tell now, but down the line when second year titles come out for PS4 and Xbox One, it's gonna get real obvious who has the 50% speed advantage.
AlexanderNevermind  +   889d ago
Not very surprising....
Eonjay  +   889d ago
Eat it bitches lol jk
LOL_WUT  +   889d ago
Shots fired BANG BANG! ;)
MysticStrummer  +   889d ago | Well said
I wonder if Major Nelson is still looking forward to the truth coming out...?

@JohnnyBadfinger - If it was all about dev time, would he have talked about maxing out the consoles or gimping a particular version in the name of parity? I don't think so.
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JohnnyBadfinger  +   889d ago
He (Adrian) goes on to explain its only interms of developing time... Which makes sense as the layout of the ps4 is straight forward no fancy loops to jump through like the x1. But he stated the overall performance is the same.
He claimed nothing about the console being 50% more powerful in performance only development time. Which is a no brainer. X1 has made the same mistake as the ps3 and they have tried to get all fancy and just made things too difficult. The curse of the 3rd I guess

He never said one version would be gimped just that the x1 would take more time to develop for compared to the ps4... But yes he did say if it were you'd never know about it. And it's in the link don't just disagree because it doesn't suit your agenda
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MysticStrummer  +   889d ago
Calm down John Boy. I read the link and I didn't hit disagree. He didn't use the word "gimp", he used the word "cripple", and of course you wouldn't know if they went for parity. Come on man...
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tuglu_pati  +   889d ago
This put to rest the dGPU rumors. The proof is right there. If you want graphics PS4 is the best bet, that or a high end pc
Destrania  +   889d ago | Well said
So not only is PS4 50% more powerful, but it's also the easier to develop for platform. Playstation domination is back baby!

@ JohnnyBadfinger

He clearly stated 50% more powerful, not 50% faster development time (even though it will obviously be faster to develop for PS4 over X1 as well) lol. I can't believe you misinterpreted that or maybe you're just being ignorant.
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Ritsujun  +   889d ago
Like I said, Xbosh and Mehjurr Pelsuhn need to try harder.

Poor JohnnieB.
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Kryptix  +   889d ago

I did read the post you're talking about but I'm going to clarify it for everyone.

He does say in his clarification that development time is 50% faster on the PS4 but in his Twitter post he also states that the PS4 is more powerful spec wise.

By how much? That isn't cleared yet. The way it's stated is that the PS4 is more powerful so it gets developed on first then the platform with the weaker hardware gets worked on second to match the more powerful hardware graphically with optimizations.

"...they take extra time for super-extra optimizations on the weaker hardware to make sure things look the same as on the more powerful platform." -Adrian

The one with the weaker hardware, Xbox One, needs to be optimized to match the PS4 graphic wise. Rememeber, Adrian already stated that the PS4 is the more powerful console so development time is much faster. Basically stating that for 3rd party games, the PS4 will be the lead platform.

We still don't know by how much percentage is the PS4 more powerful but this does confirm that the PS4 is not only more powerful than the Xbox One but will be the lead platform for most 3rd party games. Remember how Xbox 360 3rd party games looked better because it was the lead console most of the time? Well, it's changed up now, the PS4 will look better and have better frame rates because the way it works...once the weaker console looks playable, the powerful console does get extra optimizations at the end depending on the extra time given. And this time, there's no complexity involved with development.



"And yet no exclusive on X360 looks like The Last of Us. Halo 4 looks great. Gears blew my mind in 2006. And still, the best looking AAA game of this generation belongs to the supposedly weaker platform." -Adrian

During that time, the weaker platform was considered the one with the more complex and difficult to develop hardware. Even with the PS3's Cell being more powerful, developers have stated that the tools to work with on the PS3 were weak and difficult to use. It took time to workaround the flaws, but as stated from both sides with the PS4 and Xbox One...Sony and Microsoft are working on making both consoles easy to develop for. But this whole article does confirm that the PS4 has better tools to work with or the console is just a beast so all the focus is on it.

It's different now. Weakness is now mostly measured with how powerful the graphics and RAM is, and the PS4 is showing that it's winning on the hardware side.
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rewardedone   889d ago | Spam
xHeavYx  +   889d ago
Guys, I'm worried.I haven't seen Jokes, Negative and many others.
OT. Nothing we didn't know before, otherwise MS wouldn't have made all those " power of the cloud" statements to cover their less powerful console
UltimateMaster  +   889d ago
He isn't the first developer to say this.
Epic Games themselves say it's better on PS4.
scott182  +   889d ago
It doesn't matter at all to me as long as sony has those great devs.
thechosenone  +   889d ago
By the way if you have a min please go upvote this it's getting downvoted to hell by all the xbox fanboys over there. Thnx!
The_HarryEtTubMan   889d ago | Trolling | show
mistertwoturbo  +   888d ago
I don't understand why its even a debate to begin with. The hardware specs alone already told the full story.
The_Con-Sept  +   888d ago
The amount of steam behind the PS4 has generated a small cloud above Xbox headquarters..... It is only a matter of time before the Xbox one suddenly gets plastered on every Starbucks cup, burger king bag, google searches that are unrelated, YouTube commercial, and MSNBC's top story on the Xbox one... Without a good tag line because all in one input one just leaves you wondering how one hdmi input is enough when most TVs have 2-3 installed standard.
DragonKnight  +   888d ago
How many times does this need to be said before it will be put to rest? Sony doesn't even have to try to say it anymore, it's been said that much.
pixelsword  +   888d ago

The power of the cloud was actually the ability to hide facts behind techno-jargon?

That "cloud" is actually a smoke-screen.
P0werVR  +   888d ago
I believe that's the problem with most of you.

No body ever contested the speed difference, except some fanboys...

The true argument was, would it make any difference that it would lead PS4 to be better between either console?! NO!

As he had further stated it, without damage control even still sticking to his claim of what he heard.

You guys are now piss celebrating all over each other without anything relevant to state that has already been stated.

So clean yourselves off, because it hasn't even started yet. Outside of this contested sweaty smog hole of a site filled with insecure "little men", it's a long run!

Mark this post, PS4 is not going to do so good after launch.

Hit me up when I told you so!


It's simple...the hasn't started yet!

My gosh you guys are thick in the head.
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MazzingerZ  +   888d ago
I don't trust devs when it comes to talking positive about PS4 when comparing against the X1

I trust more MSFT reps, Major Nelson regarding positive comments about X1 not for nothing all that flow of positive news about X1 comes from MSFT itself:S

Now leaving behind sarcarsm, the PS4 is more powerful, that's a fact and not just a little but also faster to develop for, PS2 devs times which means more cost effectiv dev times that can reflect in some small devs developing only for PS4 and some other releasing first on PS4 and X1 later when done

Those dev times was part of the success of PS2, many crap games indeed but also amazing gems!
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ZHZ90  +   888d ago
I knew Nelson and people with him won't help.

Anyways always PS4 is awesome. ;)

Can't wait to check comments from Xbox fanboys' response.

But da cloud, directx and 300,000 dedicated server. xD
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ForeAllEternity  +   888d ago
Even if PS4 is inevitably the more powerful console, didn't MS ask for identical performance for multi-plat titles previously? I don't want MS to go away completely but they need to focus more on their products rather than forcing restrictions on developers just to "level" the playing field. Until then I refuse to support them as a gamer.
Ezz2013  +   888d ago
oh, wow
OlgerO  +   889d ago | Funny
Bu Bu But .... infinite power of the cloudz!
sAVAge_bEaST  +   889d ago
wow,, I was going to write the exact same thing, with the bu,bu,but... good thing I read comments first.- great minds/

The clowdz, were supposed to make up for this power difference, until they realized, it couldn't.
OlgerO  +   888d ago
By the way this article is doubting that he meant that the PS4 is more powerfull, but it is. His second tweet actually says this : Its PS4 that is more powerfull
Angeljuice  +   888d ago
Best quote from the comments on the article;

" No surprise at all. When you have the second coming of Christ as your systems architect you know you got something good going."
TomShoe  +   889d ago | Intelligent
Sony just keeps winning. and winning. and winning. and winning.
first1NFANTRY  +   888d ago
even charlie sheen couldn't win this much lol
pwnsause_returns  +   888d ago
Ps4, Charlie sheen plays on it..cause it's only for the winnars...
AceBlazer13  +   889d ago
That's the truth,the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Quicktopick  +   889d ago
U can't handle the truth!!!
BG11579  +   888d ago
The truth is out there...
imdaboss1  +   889d ago
m$ just need to shut up..whenever they speak it always turn negative..because they lie like the devil
Kratos_1986  +   889d ago
and can you believe there are MS fanboyz in this world ?
thechosenone  +   889d ago
they've been like that since the beginning all the way back to Steve/Apple it's not going to stop now.
cell989  +   888d ago
Major Nelson said he couldn't wait for the truth to come out, now that it's here, what happens next?
majiebeast  +   889d ago
Well this article is gonna blow up like the fourth of july. Im ready let the show begin!
dboyc310  +   889d ago
Funny thing is people will still try to prove otherwise. Even though Professional Devs have stated this already.
Xsilver  +   889d ago
because apparently the xbox fans know more than devs smh.
JunioRS101  +   889d ago
Translated into English, I believe what he said was...

"Shit just hit the fan."
edonus   889d ago | Spam
Sony360  +   889d ago
This is called hype.
Evilsnuggle  +   889d ago
But Major Nelson said.....

kickerz  +   889d ago
Interesting. Well someone is lying or have there facts wrong. Major Nelson or this dev.
stuna1  +   889d ago
Notice how the more deluded ones have suddenly disappeared! You know who you are! Or maybe maybe they're still here, but just using the Cloak of invisibility spells.

This news has been the norm from the beginning, even to the point of retraction! When something is being compared to something else is retracted, it's usually some truth to it! Either because one party doesn't want the other party to get wind of it, Or....... One party is trying to hide information that could be potentially damaging to them!

Many would like to believe Microsoft really has some secret weapon, and they may have something that we haven't heard of yet, but I doubt it's anything to turn the tide of the battle in their favor! The best they can hope for IMO is a stalemate. The 3 os function was their ace in the hole if you ask me, but it has been seriously crippled with the always online feature.

Sony has a score to settle with Microsoft, after the loss of so many markers shares to Microsoft, which is probably one of many reasons why Sony is pushing on all fronts! This gen and next gen are pretty evenly matched as far as support on Sony part, even the Vita is showing signs of rebirth, with Sony showing not only saying it will have a integral role with supporting the PS4.

All I can say is Sony is firing on all cylinder right now, and it would be unwise to underestimate them.
Sony360  +   888d ago
Ugh, the fanboyism. I almost feel sick. You guys will believe anything you're told.
nosferatuzodd  +   888d ago
Stuna1 bubbles up man you hit the nail on the head i was saying the same thing where are all the xbox fanboys lol
the facts are the facts bro believe it or not that's not going to change it
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Olympus  +   888d ago
Xbox One getting a discreet GPU and it will be announced at the end of September after NDA from AMD as they will announce the new Volcanic Islands architecture which Xbox dGPU is based off.
DragonKnight  +   888d ago
That's a B.S. rumour. It isn't true. As if Microsoft would hide that after being blasted in PR this much about the power of their console.
Olympus   888d ago | Immature | show
PS4isKing_82  +   888d ago
@Olympus Keep dreaming.
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Angeljuice  +   888d ago
Why would they hide the dGPU from the devs making games for their system?
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MasterCornholio  +   888d ago
Thats what all XBOX One fans are hoping for.

But heres the truth, the XBOX One doesnt have a dual GPU configuration.

Stop spreading false rumors and deal with the truth.


And when it turns out to be false XBOX One fans will rely on the magical cloud to try and prove that the console is on par with the PS4.

Look the XBOX One isnt a bad console but it isnt as powerful as the PS4. Now im not going to make claims that there is a 50% power difference between the two but this developer seems to confirm it.


Well they are using the NDA as an excuse but that wouldnt prevent developers from using it. And if they did use it Dead Rising 3 would be running at 1080P 60FPS instead of sub 1080P at a shaky 30FPS.
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DeadlyFire  +   888d ago
I can see some extra GPU cores tucked into the board silicon off the APU, but not a full discrete GPU with the time limit they have to even market this in 2013. That is just to much of a stretch. Seems more like the part that deals with GPU MMU host-guest clients. Also in same article as the next link.

An important note to discredit this I believe is that they showcased the Xbox One's SOC at hotchips with only 13.5 Gigapixels a second.

Also PS4 said to be based on 7850. Which has 27.5 Gigapixels a second while running at 1.78 Tflops. Embed it in the PS4 it likely is a little faster. Meaning faster images and more crisp detail. The difference between PS3/X360 was marginal with both having GPUs roughly with 4.4 Gigapixels/s so they both appeared about the same. PSVita has GPU with 4.0 Gigapixels/s. Its quite a difference this time around. :)
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PrimeGrime  +   888d ago
Omg.... No.

AMD APU Wiki read it.

"The third-generation Kaveri for high performance devices is expected in late 2013, while Kabini and Temash for low-power devices were announced in summer 2013. Semi-custom APUs based on the technology in the third-generation low-power APUs can be found in the Sony PlayStation 4 and the Microsoft Xbox One eighth generation video game consoles."

That means these are Kabini and Temash semi- custom APU's but they are based off the new technology found in the third generation Kaveri APU planned to released later on for PC's. The only difference is they still use Jaguar cores, while Kaveri uses Steamroller cores.

Have had to post this so many times already its sickening.

You drones and your stupid rumors already.. Seriously what sense would that make, they just over clocked the APU. Now you guys seriously believe that they will change the entire APU in September, two months before the Xbox One is supposed to release in November?

You know how ridiculous that sounds? I thought I had seen it all when it came to people being delusional but holy fuck that just took the cake..
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PrimeGrime  +   888d ago
To prove it even further because so many of you keep talking about this its sad.. Microsoft has released images of the finished Xbox One, way before these rumors came around.

You aren't going to find any secret GPU there. All you will see is exactly what I told you is there.

The custom AMD APU.

Notice the Xbox One only has one huge fan which covers the APU. If there were a another graphics chip, they would need another fan or another heat sink for it.

Obviously like I said they aren't going to change the APU this late either. That is even more ridiculous to think.

When developers wouldn't have been able to even use it, test it or anything. If that was the case, it would have been in the dev kits. You don't add components later after the development process and after you have started production.

Come on people use your freaking brains.
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Magicite  +   888d ago
Made me actually laugh, bring the heavy Kaz Gif artillery!
PS4isKing_82  +   888d ago
Confirmed. Sony wins next gen by a landslide.
N4G_IS_SONYS_WHORE   888d ago | Spam
RobbyGrob  +   888d ago
This is fantastic news for Sony and terrible news for Microsoft, if true. Most of you seem to be missing two very big and important points here:


If it's true that developers can spend 25% less time finishing their games for the PS4 (50% increase in speed = 25% decrease in time), they could either spend that extra time further optimizing and bug-fixing their games, or more realistically; start working on new projects much sooner and thus save a lot of money.

This would make the PS4 a goldmine, in every sense of the word:

- Devs can spend 25% less time and money on finishing up a game, thus..

- ..make money from their next project sooner, and..

- ..sell their games at a lower price and still make more money than they would developing for the XB1.

- Sony will sell even more consoles since more games (and even more so more *exclusive* games) most likely will be created for it than for the XB1 since it makes no sense to choose a technically weaker platform that it also takes 25% longer to finish your project on and that costs 25% more to develop for.

- Gamers will have way more games to play, most likely including a lot more *exclusives* than we previously imagined, and..

- ..could potentially enjoy even more games being added to PS+ than otherwise since a *lot* more indie developers are going to turn to the PS4 over the XB1 since funding is the most important factor to them.


Larry Hyrb stated that Microsoft has some of the greatest software engineers in the world and bragged about how they created DirectX. This is the same as saying that performance is up to the work of the developer. This is true.

However, if a company like Naughty Dog can manage to spend only a few years to learn to optimize their games for the incredibly complex Cell architecture of the PS3, they sure as hell will be able to squeeze out every drop of performance out of the X86 architecture of the PS4 with ease. And since the PS4 hardware already is vastly superior to that of the XB1, that does indeed mean that at least the exclusives have an immensely higher potential in the areas of performance and graphics quality.

Microsoft may be the founders of the standard for 3D graphics today, but that doesn't mean that other developers won't be able to meet or even surpass their knowledge is optimizing it.
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Kingthrash360  +   889d ago
popcorn ready......watching for fanboy war in 3.....2....1....O.O
who should i belive? major nelson a MS employee or 3rd party devs a neutral source?...

question answers itself i guess....ps4 preorder looks better every day.
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theWB27  +   889d ago


CD Projekt Red

Of course, the Xbox One isn’t to be counted out. We asked Guay how the Xbox One version of Watch_Dogs would be different compared to the PC and PS4 versions of the game, to which he replied that, “The Xbox One is a powerful platform, as of now we do not foresee a major difference in on screen result between the PS4 and the Xbox One. Obviously since we are still working on pushing the game on these new consoles, we are still doing R&D.

Call me crazy...
-Foxtrot  +   889d ago
Why would any of those active developers/companies say one of the versions of the games they are bringing out for next gen is less powerfull then the other version...that would cost them sales at the end of the day. The truth would just get them lower sales on that version, the main objective for them as a business is too sell as many as possible on all the platforms they are developing for so I doubt they would just come out and say "Yeah this version of the game we are making is not as good as this version"

Plus all those people you've linked us to have big games coming triple A games

Kojima - MGSV

Carmack - Doom 4 (After the reception/sales of RAGE he needs this)

CD Projekt Red - Witcher 3

Ubisoft - AC4, WatchDogs, The Division...hell a lot of games most likely coming up
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Kingthrash360  +   889d ago
i dont know if you agree or disagree with my comment...but all the links basically say the ps4 is stronger......i dont care whos stronger tho...i just wanna see fany boys go at it....its toooooo see the bosting , the denial, the wishful thinking, the comparison of games none of them has played...ect,ect.....i hate it but its the way new console arrivals are ....***bing***....ok popcorn is ready article is approved!
Enemy  +   889d ago
Multiplatform developers that get paid to be neutral. Good job with your argument, WB.
AceBlazer13  +   889d ago
As major Nelson said,only a matter of time till the truth comes to light,and you guys see the Xbox one is weak.
MRMagoo123  +   889d ago
You claim to be neutral in all this console war crap theWB27 but you seem to be defending MS in every comment you ever make and then pretned you are trying to keep balance or some other crap, the ps4 is more powerful the devs say so, even MS themselves say that the ps4 is more powerful but they think they have the edge on software, just stfu and get over it, its done and dusted the ps4 has the better hardware and its 100% fu@king fact now.
Clarence  +   889d ago
Your crazy and not smart. All of these developers work for both companies. They want to keep the money train coming in. They will not offend either company by stating which console is more powerful. (PS4)

This just like the statement AMD made about which console had the advantage.(PS4) They retracted the statement because they want to continue getting M$ business.

Now you won't see a difference in multiplates because they don't want upset a certain company (M$)
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Hicken  +   889d ago
Okay. You're crazy.

1st link: Kojima himself says NOTHING about the power. It's implied from the article, but not actually said.

2nd link: Carmack doesn't say anything about power, again. And he even admitted he hadn't done any "rigorous benchmarking."

3rd link: Pretty irrelevant, given it says nothing about power differences between the consoles.

4th link: Again, NOTHING is said about the difference in the power of the two consoles. And that they say the XB1 will be similar to the PS4 version is probably due more to the engine being scalable than anything else.

A bunch of links that didn't prove ANYTHING. Good job!
VaporCell  +   889d ago
Stop wasting your time trying to defend the xbone. It's outrageously funny how you guys deny factual GPU-Teraflop difference between both. Obviously as the guy said; the ps4 is stronger !
Xsilver  +   889d ago
he mentions watch dog and AC devs but to this day i haven't seen those games running on the xone so please explain that shit, ubisoft has been praising the ps4 left and right.
WB you are a die hard xbot just admit it than calling yourself neutral, u write paragraphs defending the xone so who are you fooling what do u want Microsoft to come on stage and say their console isn't stronger because that's not gonna happen they don't need you to defend them left and right like you made the console.
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theWB27  +   889d ago
3RD party would lose sells if they say one machine is more powerful.
1st party devs are biased to their own platform.
I guess those philosophies cancel each other out and makes this whole thing irrelevant.

The reason I linked those big games is because they wouldn't lose sells based off of that sentiment. Kojima especially.

Just offering a counter dev says this and another says that. All in all....they don't imply the PS4 is 30,40,50% more powerful....that's far from minimal.

Again...complain about 3rd party devs being paid and neutral...but 1st party would of course be biased and can be less trusted since they have absolutely no access to the other machine at this point.

I claim to be neutral because when it comes down to it, I support both with money. I will eventually buy a PS4. Couldn't care less how I come off in a forum. This back and forth doesn't sway how I game in real life.
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-Foxtrot  +   889d ago
"3RD party would lose sells if they say one machine is more powerful."

But those links you provided are all third party companies, so they would loose sales if they spoke about how one version of a game they've made is inferior to another.

Besides the guy speaking here is from People Can Fly who's owners are Epic Games, the company responsible for Gears of War an Xbox 360 exclusive. They've done nothing but praise MS over the years, hell the last game People Can Fly made was Gears of War Judgement. Both companies have given MS a lot of support over the years.
Enemy  +   889d ago
Those 50% claims haven't come from 1st party developers though.
OrangePowerz  +   889d ago
As a big company that would develop for both consoles you would never ever go out and say one is stronger because you would just piss off one of the companies that could mean loosing out on possible deals in the future. Just look at Gabe, as long as Valve had only 360 games he was saying that the PS3 architecture isn`t good, but once they made games for both platforms they where both good consoles. If Ubisoft says that one is stronger you can be sure that either Sony or MS would send them a friendly mail and ask them what the hell is going on that they make those statements in public.
theWB27  +   889d ago
"Those 50% claims haven't come from 1st party developers though."

"Multiplatform developers that get paid to be neutral. Good job with your argument, WB."

Both are from quotes from you.

So I don't get it....when they say it's a big difference then it's a fact but when it's stated by other devs it's minimal it's because they can't strain the relationship between Sony and Micro.

Basically it's this...if it's a big enough difference stated by some 3rd party devs and Sony to enable chest thumping then it's golden, bulletproof info. Cannot be refuted and deal with it.

When it's stated it isn't much of a difference at all by other devs and Micro then it's damage control and wrong....face it it's inferior etc etc. it.
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Enemy  +   889d ago
This guy doesn't work for Sony, WB. In fact, go ahead and find one link where a 1st party Sony developer claims 50% advantage favoring PS4. All the claims have come strictly from hardware comparisons. Everything is right there, written, on paper. It's evidence.

If Microsoft wasn't worried, why would they suddenly feel the need to clock up CPU/GPU? Unfortunately, it's too late to match PS4's specs. Microsoft underestimated Sony's plan and it backfired. This'll teach'em not to next time. The end.
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Tooly  +   889d ago
Most of them are under nda so they didn even explain much becuz they cant
Eddie20101  +   889d ago
This is the umteenth time a dev has said that the PS4 is 30% to 50% better, and he also refers to other devs saying the same thing. Are they missguided Sony fanboys, I don't think so.

Look at The xbots trolling his twitter, he is a dev I would think he knows what he is talking about.
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MRMagoo123  +   889d ago
Hey i can bet you any money Jokesonyou, edonus and the other MS shills like the one above will say the world has been taken over by sony fanboys and its all lies, its almost as bad as that conspiracy with the lizard ppl that have supposedly taken over the worlds higher ups lol. I dont know why they all dont just admit the 100% fact that the ps4 is the better hardware and just get on with their lives instead of spinning BS all the time.
DigitalRaptor  +   889d ago
Oh god, edonus will pretend he's this super intelligent consumer who's superior to everyone else and immediately show his complete bias and inner fanboy for all to see with phrases like "the internet is broken" or "people have been poisoned against..." or "PS3.5" - Senseless excuses pretty much - whatever these guys can do to ignore fact, and act as though the root of gaming's problems and progression is sourced from the hands of "Sony fanboys on the internet", they'll do and they'll say it.

I'll bet you these guys will call out conspiracy in the media when PS4 games get good reviews and XB1 games get bad ones. I'll bet you they'll call conspiracy when more devs come out and prove the PS4's technical superiority.

The delusion is in place, that to them Sony cannot have a much more powerful system. It's honestly, too much for them to handle after they tried so hard like champions to prove that the 360 was more powerful than the PS3 due to "multiplats", that they aren't letting this one go. But they will... eventually.

The spin of denial is already in motion up there with our good fanboy friend, theWB27.
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ABeastNamedTariq  +   889d ago
It's the PS4, we got it already, lol. (No dGPU for XB1 guys. Unless it's so hidden that devs can't even find it, haha. It'd be nice though. But that right there just put that silly rumor down.) Got my popcorn and M&Ms. Lets see what you guys have to say.
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OrangePowerz  +   889d ago
The dual GPU was unrealistic from the point when MS revealed the price because the console would be more expensive with an APU that contains dual GPU.
SniperControl  +   888d ago
Finally! I have been saying this since the DGPU rumor broke, if the X1 had a duel GPU, there is no way it would cost £430, you are looking around £550 - £600 mark.

Also, I would have thought that a DGPU would have more teraflops than 1.31 that MS has stated in all there tech announcements.

If the X1 had a significant power advantage compared to PS4, dont you think MS would be glouting and shouting more about it.
Tooly  +   889d ago
uh oh well well well Ummmm
Rimeskeem  +   889d ago
hmmmmmmmmmmm what bothers me is they wont say which one but sony keeps saying that they are positive the ps4 has the advantage

EDIT: never mind it did say but im not totally sure still
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Alexious  +   889d ago
Just look at the specs yourself. PS4 has 40% more raw GPU power, the remaining 10% likely comes from the GDDR5 memory.
awesomeperson  +   889d ago
Haha. It's pretty clear which one is more powerful. Forget all the rumours of hidden GPUs, or whatever is spreading right now for the Xbox, those are wrong.

Look at the numbers. The numbers don't lie.
cvflyboy  +   889d ago
Its not your fault. love is blind and you are in "deep" for Xbone. xbox is the systsm you get for a summer fling, ps4 is the system you get when you are ready to settle down, have kids and have security in mind. You see son.........wait? What are we talking about again?
Dan_scruggs  +   889d ago
Every time I see one of these articles that obsesses over the power of the PS4 I am reminded that the Wii absolutely killed the PS3 and 360 is sales. Power doesn't matter. Innovation does. If the PS4 has that then Sony will win. But right now I have no reason to believe that will be the case.
ABeastNamedTariq  +   889d ago
What's innovative to you, if I may ask?
AceBlazer13  +   889d ago
Kinect and paywalls probably.
Dan_scruggs  +   889d ago
Motion controls on the Wii was highly innovative. It opened up new game play possibilities and paid off huge in the end. PlayStation Move was not innovative and therefor was quickly forgotten. I remember the ads that touted "This Changes Everything". No Nintendo did that years earlier. But Sony has a very short memory. The dual screen and touch controls on the DS was wildly different when it first appeared. That creativity has spurned on to Nintendo dominating the handheld landscape even tho it is a far inferior piece of tech compared to the Vita. But power doesn't matter. Creativity does. I even understand the reason Microsoft is forcing the Kinect upon everyone with the XboxOne. The Kinect has sold millions and it barely even worked. But it was new and different. Did you know that Kinect Adventures sold 20 million copies. That is more than any PS exclusive... Ever. Wii Sports Resort sold 31 million. Sometimes what is good or fun is in the eye of the beholder and games like those that are completely unique to themselves are the one that truly excel. And simply replacing a button with touch pad with extremely limited usefulness is not what I consider and innovation. If people believe that the usefulness of that feature on the PS4 controller will go beyond "swipe to activate" and "tap to open" is fooling themselves. To me Sony's greatest enemy is its fear of taking risks with their tech. Their stance always seems to be "make it more powerful and that'll be good enough". But it didn't work with the PS3 and I doubt it'll work with the PS4.
AceofStaves  +   889d ago
@Dan Scruggs - Sony doesn't take risks with their tech? For PS3, they developed the Cell processor, and the used Blu-Ray Disk as the optical format for the games.

Those aren't risks?
SpitFireAce85  +   889d ago
Maybe its that the Ps3 was $599 when it launched vs 299 for the wii
cyclindk  +   889d ago
Nope innovation... Sony doesnt innovate remember
cyclindk  +   889d ago
Mother of god ive never seen so many blantantly ... Wrong.... Points in my life, especially in a single paragraph. What a horror it must be to have such a mind that skews reality to such an extreme as that.

Nothing funny here at all, really really disturbing level of ignorance... Innovations points alone were simply... Scary.
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xKugo  +   889d ago
I think you should take a look at the pre-orders for Sony and Microsoft respectively. Also if you really want to see how "innovation" equals sales then take a gander at the pre-order numbers shortly after the E3 presentations. Those innovative and futuristic policies + the revolutionary camera sure did amount to pre-orders, right? Yea.......
kane_1371  +   888d ago
I barely ever leave a comment in N4G but I have to answer you ignorance.

first of all, yes I am a Sony fanboy, infact screw Playstation, I worship Sony.

Your comment about risks and innovation is stupid.

The least innovative company out there might very well be Nintendo.

So, lets get to it then.

Sony is probably the only company that has taken huge risks all together, gaming or not.

Sony Playstation is a prodyct of Nintendo's fear of the innovation, it not only was innovative but powerful and easy to program a game for.

So while Nintendo coward out og the deal Sony made the innovation, and built the first stand alone console to truely use the power of Compact Disks.
You can argue that there were others before, but none even could last 1 month in the market.

Dual Shock and Dual Analogue controllers which set the standard for the gaming the first company to actually bring these new babies to gaming was Sony, they also included Dual Shock, yet again somethingthat only Nintendo seemed to not understand and always had to add after the release of the console.


Honestly, the company responsible for the DVD to become the main platform for movies in the begining of the 21st century was and is SONY, you can argue and argue but it is so, again a new platform and a new step forward in gaming.
By this time Microsoft entered the gaming industry with Xbox and presented Live, innovative for consoles and even PCs no question there.

Oh, shocker, microsoft used both DVD and Dual Analogue in the console.

We move forward to 2006, PS3, SixAxis, not the best move but a risk taken, you think not?

Ok, well, what about Cell? Sony with PS2 felt how it is to be behind in the technology against another console so they decided to bring a stronger console to the market and not let that happen again.
Cell, something that Sony hopped for to be the next big thing but didn't happen, still, innovation in gaming and a big risk it was the reason for Sony's success in the visual division of games and proved to be strong but not worth it and they changed it for PS4.

What about Blu ray?
Again a new platform, again a risk taken while Xbox and Nintendo Coward out of it with DVD, you could say that it is because the fact that they had to pay royalities to SONY but hey so did they with DVD.

Hey i forgot about motion gaming, Playstation Eye says hello to all of you guys that talk about motion gaming.

Get this, lets forget the specs and talk about games.

Innovation in games:

I dare you to say Nintendo has innovation in itsd game divisions, same goes for Xbox.

what company would let That Game Company release Flower on its system?

What company would introduce new ips all the time?

What company would allow LBP on its system? Mind you, mm did go to other publishers too.

You look at Nintendo, all you see is Zelda, Mario, Pokemon.

You look at Xbox and it is Halo, Forza, Halo.

Sony is next to PC when it comes to new ips, there is no console manufacturer right now that is more innovative than Sony is.
EXVirtual  +   889d ago
Damn. 50%. Oh snap. Xbots won't like this. Especially after Nelson got them excited. Here we go. Did you see that popcorn gif? NeoGAF is getting ready itself.
Oh and BTW, you can drop that dual GPU bullshit. The XB1 would be at least $75-$100 more.
Anyway, the difference will become more and more visible over the years. But snap! 50%. That popcorn gif is exactly what all lot of us are probably doing.
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DigitalRaptor  +   889d ago
The blatant lies and smoke & mirrors PR from Microsoft is never-ending, but since when have any of us been surprised by this?

Yeah, popcorn.gif ftw!
Campy da Camper  +   889d ago
Jimmy Fallon playing killzone cracks me up. That popcorn gif hilarious.
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Rimeskeem  +   889d ago
Major Nelson said it wasnt 30% more powerful so i guess its 50% instead
MisfitsInc  +   889d ago
that was a good explanation at the end
Foxgod  +   889d ago
The X1 launch games do kind of look 50% better.
After all, forza got twice the amount of fps, at the same resolution as driveclub.
Rimeskeem  +   889d ago
apparently you didnt read what he said
ABeastNamedTariq  +   889d ago
"The X1 launch games do kind of look 50% better."


Forza, Ryse, and Killer Instinct (I like its art style) look great. But so do Killzone, DriveClub, and Planetside 2. Let us not forget Infamous.

Also, like sckipt basically said, you either didn't read the article or are doing some damage control.
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Quicktopick  +   889d ago
Future Xbox employee right there
pyramidshead  +   889d ago
Nice try foxy
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Rainstorm81  +   889d ago
and what about Ryse?
Lord_Sloth  +   889d ago
What about it...Game looks boring as hell.
Rainstorm81  +   888d ago
The Frame Rates are shitty...He's Boasting like every game is 60FPS or 1080P for that matter.

...and yes Ryse looks terrible gameplay wise. I find it funny that people were complaining about GOW QTE then go and embrace a game like Ryse
DJMarty  +   888d ago
@Rainstorm81 - It was running on a Nvidia PC with specs the PAYBOX ONE don't have.

Usual MS smoke an mirrors bullsh#t.
Enemy  +   889d ago
You mean the same Forza that uses fake lighting and static backdrops? It's the COD of racing games.

Funny how 60fps blinds you to the reality of things. It's like saying COD looks better than Killzone: Shadow Fall.

Everyone has told you why Forza runs at 60fps and you deny it. You look misguided by Microsoft, and foolish to ignore the facts. Stay away from tech talk if you don't know what Forza does to achieve what it achieves, which frankly, isn't next gen.
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OrangePowerz  +   889d ago
Forza doesn`t look good in all aspects, if you look at the vidos so far there is pop in and bad AA.

As for Ryse, the new consoles use PC architecture and Crytek usually focuses on PC games and they would be more familiar with that kind of architecture.

The 360 was closer to PC architecture compared to the PS3 that was far away from PC architecture and the MS dev teams should be more familiar with that kind of hardware right now while the Sony devs still need to learn more things because they can get more out of it.
iliimaster  +   888d ago
heeeeey nice icon my man
Kayant  +   889d ago
"X1 launch games do kind of look 50% better"

I haven't seen anything on XB1 that beats KZ:SF SP graphically yet.
KILLERAPP  +   889d ago
There is a reason why all multiplatforms games shown are the PS4 version, now you know why...
FamilyGuy  +   888d ago
What games have you been looking at?
Rainstorm81  +   888d ago
Look at those Copy and pasted faces and soulless lifeless eyes on Ryse....SMH

IMHO Crytek is usually graphics over gameplay (not a fan of Crysis)....I cant wait til other devs start utilizing the Crytek engine
FamilyGuy  +   888d ago
I'm still dumbfounded when I see people brag about Ryse and try to bring it into a battle about graphics. It looks like trash.
CrimsonStar  +   889d ago
Who cares ? The ps3 and xbox360 had some beautiful games . So who cares if the Xbox1 is weaker then the ps4 its still stronger then the ps360. Did y When did this n4g turn into a bunch of Graphic whores?
creepjack  +   889d ago
There are gonna be a whole lot of pissed off fanboys when they see very little difference in the games on the 2 consoles.
Dan_scruggs  +   889d ago
I seem to remember the PS3 being more powerful than the 360 yet somehow having worse looking cross plat games. But memories seem to be really short these days. I suppose time will tell.
DarkHeroZX  +   889d ago

I also remember many devs not knowing how to program for the cell at all. Many still can't .
vigilante_man  +   888d ago
At last! We get the low down from an actual developer. And as developers share their thoughts we know more about the differences between XB1 & PS4.

About time we had some confirmation.

Great article with some very good insights. So multi-platform games will look the same to start with. They use super PCs to start with then scale things down to fit their target systems.

Just one question: If (as seems probable) the PS4 does prove 30-50% faster then how long before gamers demand that developers produce better multi-platform games for the PS4? Surely they will have to admit they are not making the most of the PS4 and lower the prices for games on PS4. Very interesting...
jcnba28  +   889d ago
Who cares which console is more powerful multiplats are going to look the same on both consoles just like current gen.
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LOL_WUT  +   889d ago
I'm sure if your preferred console of CHOICE was one of those two you'd be hyping it up also, too bad it's not. ;)
jcnba28  +   888d ago
I have a gaming rig. Exposed clown. ;)
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The_Villager  +   888d ago
Gameplay > Graphics
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creepjack  +   889d ago
So, the PS4 is 50% more powerful and easier to develop for, yet not a single 1st or 3rd party dev has shown all the extra power in a game thus far, and assuming it's true about the ease of developing on the PS4, there is absolutely no reason they shouldn't be able to show it right now.

Yeah, sorry if I don't get excited over this crap. Show me it's more powerful, or shut the hell up. I dont play games on paper.
ABeastNamedTariq  +   889d ago
It's the beginning of the generation. Hell, the generation didn't even start (unless you count Wii U. I technically do, but that's besides the point)!

Also, dat in-engine The Order trailer.


@creep (below)

"...there still is no title on the PS3 that show the immense difference in power Sony claimed to have."


The Last of Us. God of War 3/Ascension. Uncharted 2/3. Heavy Rain! Beyond, which, to me, looks even better than TLOU (both still look fantastic). There's your power difference. You gotta be kidding me.

Especially GOW. It has friggin amazing graphics that more than hold up to today. At 60 frames. The scope is amazing.

EDIT 2 (gotta save a bubble):


TLOU's cutscenes were in-engine. Yeah, they looked a bit better because they're pre-rendered and have better/different physics, film grain, and a little more detail. But there was basically a small amount of disparity between the game and its cutscenes. I don't thin you can call it CGI, but I get what you're saying, sort of. If TLOU is anything to go by, The Order is still going to look nothing short of absolutely amazing.
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ExCest  +   889d ago
True, true. I consider Wii U next gen as well.

But in-engine trailers mean nothing. BF3 had in-engine cutscenes and even the highest-end enthusiast-class PC won't run the game looking like that because the engine isn't designed to pump that amount of detail in-game.

In-engine just shows you the power of the engine, not the console. You might as well just call it CGI.

Even though, nice looking trailer.
creepjack  +   889d ago
I don't care when if it's the beginning of the generation or the end, if they cant show me through games that it is more powerful, then all this talk is completely irreverent.

It was the same thing as last gen, of the PS3 is so much more powerful than the 360 because of the cell, and now that this generation is over, realistically and technically, there still is no title on the PS3 that show the immense difference in power Sony claimed to have.
Foxgod  +   889d ago
O yes, the whole wait until "game"....
I thought you guys would have known better by now...

That argument was used during the entire life cycle of the ps3.

Also, none of the games you mentioned look better then Halo 4, Gears or Forza, its all around the same.
You would have known that if you had a game pc that shows what a difference really looks like.
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ABeastNamedTariq  +   889d ago

No "wait until" game. He's just acting like the beginning of the generation games should look like the end of the generation games. To me, at least.

"Also, none of the games you mentioned look better then Halo 4, Gears or Forza, its all around the same."

The denial is strong in you man.

Halo 4 looks bright and amazing, yes. But looking better than Beyond or TLOU? I beg to differ.

Gears looks fine too. And it's fun (I love it). But looking better than God of War: Ascension? I beg to differ.

Forza? Beautiful. I don't think you can compare a racing game to anything else other than another racer. GT5 and 6, especially 6, in my opinion, look better than Forza 4 (the premium cars in regards to GT5).

I've said it before, I'll say it again. TLOU and Beyond show the power difference. I see no match to Beyond on current gen (besides TLOU at an extremely close second).

Also. I love how you're first trying to reject the statements of the article, then suddenly switch to "my PC is stronger than both next gen consoles, whatever" (I'm paraphrasing), as if you haven't been a MS fanboy and are suddenly uncaring about the statements made.


Beyond. The Last of Us. God of War: Ascension.
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Rainstorm81  +   889d ago
Give it a year....Launch games wont show much but the Witcher 3 looks phenomenal in all its Next gen goodness
Quicktopick  +   889d ago
I smell butthurt in this area
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Enemy  +   889d ago
Well, considering Killzone: Shadow Fall is graphically superior to every Xbox One game shown so far, it's safe to say you have no idea what you're talking about. I'd go as far as to say it's leagues beyond anything on Xbox One. Read up on the tech if you want to be left with tears streaming down your face.

Forza? Last gen experience with weird, overdone, pre-baked cartoony lighting, low res textures, static background, reflections on mirrors vanishing, etc. All that cheating to achieve 60fps and it still has pop ups.
Ryse? Very, very bland. Not even recognized for anything other than QTEs and glitches at this point.
Dead Rising? Having a bunch brain-dead zombies on screen doesn't make you next gen, especially when your frame rate is taking a hit.

I'm really curious what it is that you guys are bragging about when none of your games compare to what we've seen from Sony so far.

Stay tuned for TGS as well.
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DigitalRaptor  +   889d ago
Two words.

Deep Down.

After this news, don't be surprised if that is the quality we're going to see. inFamous: Second Son already looks and performs far better than every Xbox One exclusive, especially considering it's open-world.

@ Foxgod - you are delusional.
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strifeblade  +   889d ago
Two words. "DEEP S**T"

And thats exactly what your in if you dont live in japan. Deep down is confirmed to be a japan only rpg game- yes that means its written in japanese and in case you diddnt know, reading is important in an rpg.

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JBaby343  +   888d ago
What you said means absolutely nothing. In a conversation about graphical capabilities the language a game is presented in is irrelevant. It shows what the system is capable of no matter what language. The game looks incredible.


P.S. Yes Foxgod is quite delusional.
FamilyGuy  +   888d ago
I'm still surprised people are able to argue against what Sony's shown. It's like they're in the truest form of denial. I'm lost for words how they can just not be impressed by this stuff.

Also, "Deep down is confirmed to be a japan only rpg game"

When and where was this "confirmed"? We first saw the game at the initial Sony reveal and it was completely in ENGLISH, no subtitles whatsoever. Talk about extreme denial, now we've got guys claiming great looking games won't be localized from Japan. LMMFAO
pwnsause_returns  +   888d ago
"Also, "Deep down is confirmed to be a japan only rpg game"

Never thought denial would be big on this thread....
strifeblade  +   888d ago
Google is your friend guys. Deep down got slim chances coming state side. Why do you think the games a no show at e3 and gamescom but at tgs? lol
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Potato2  +   889d ago
Killzone Shadow Fall, Infamous Second Sun, Driveclub and Planetside 2 show off the power of the ps4.
Xsilver  +   889d ago
@Creepjack so aren't all multiplatform games running on PS4 like watch dogs and AC4 im pretty sure that shows that its easy to develop for because i have yet to see the xbox versions of those games.
@fox omg ur the most die hard xbot i've ever seen damn u said halo 4 like it was graphic phenomenon when damn sure wasn't i mean seriously dude uncharted two blows that out the water if u wanna bring up graphics.
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Deelow  +   888d ago
If you haven't looked at Killzone: Shadow Fall's announcement gameplay, or any gameplay since, you're seriously not being objective. I mean am I the only guy who has every console each generation? AM I the only one who has a PC with hdmi out hooked to his TV? Sure 360 was easy to develop for, has good exclusives and some multi-platforms look a hare better on 360. 1st party games on both look awesome, I have to say though The Last of Us was the most impressive game I've played this generation. I loved Halo Reach and only played Mass Effect on 360, but that game blew them out of the water. Others have said this and I'll say it again for the cheap seats: This generation is just starting, Wii U hasn't done great, probably by forcing many of it's games to be played on an uncomfortable game pad. It's underpowered, lacks dev support and generally is known as a kids console. This November we all get the chance to decide which console we're getting first. I've watched every press conference live, then via replay at the highest resolution on my 55" LED TV so I can see and understand what differences there are now. Best looking game I've seen was Killzone: Shadow Fall, with everything else being a mixed bag. Does Forza look good? Yeah, always has. Does Ryse look good? Looks like something we could see on 360 or PS3 personally. I could argue all day about what I thought I saw, with guys who just want to fight because they're angry. Hell I get it, you've been lied to, promised this new gaming future, had the story change, had Sony fanboys criticize your allegiance and kick you while you're down. I'm in the military and I work with a diverse group of gamers, who all agree Sony has won the PR war here for sure. out of 20 people, 18 are getting the PS4. I asked them why, and there response was simple: Sony hasn't changed their story. Am I getting the Xbox One? Hell yeah, just not until I see some consistency from them. Rant over...
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My_Outer_Heaven  +   889d ago
PS4 is more powerful on paper, there is no doubt in that. Microsoft are in denial for saying it doesn't matter but it will in 2-3 years time when games start showing a massive difference in fidelity and graphics. It's just a matter of time. Same thing happened with PS3 and PS3 games at the end of its cycle still look amazing.
urwifeminder  +   889d ago
Devs say a lot of things the xb1 will do me fine.
Megaton  +   889d ago
Dunno why anyone would have thought otherwise just because Major Switchflip spewed a bit more PR. This is all measurable hardware. We're not talking about blast processing, teh cell, or the power of the cloud. Hardware with hard numbers showing the PS4 is significantly stronger. All the Microsoft spin the world can't erase those facts.
Foxgod  +   889d ago
Actually, my pc is significantly stronger then the ps4 and x1.
The difference between the x1 and ps4 is futile at best.

When it comes to consoles, the only "more" value you can get, come from playing exclusives, as graphically the differences will hardly be noticeable.
Megaton  +   889d ago
Well it's good to hear Xbox fans say that exclusive games matter again. Been years since that has happened. I have a feeling the sentiment will fade once Sony starts delivering the best console lineup year after year as they did with the PS3.

Doesn't it feel good to at least pretend to care about games, though? Don't be so quick to abandon it this time around.
True_Samurai  +   889d ago
This doesn't make me care of which console is more powerful does this make me a non-true gamer? :-(
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Hicken  +   889d ago
Lack of punctuation makes you a non-true gamer.

Seriously, though, we know you don't care about which is more powerful because it's the PS4 that's more powerful. Had it been the XB1 instead, you'd be singing a different tune.
True_Samurai  +   889d ago
Didn't realize this was a grammar site lol but of course I would just for the fun of it. :-) but that shouldn't matter cause we're fellow gamer friends right?
YNWA96  +   889d ago
That means I get 50 % better games!

True Ninja, it only makes you 50% less gamer. Only those who play Sony consoles and nothing else ever, can call themselves purestock gamers. Video games even did not exist before PS1.
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Flutterby  +   889d ago
No you are getting an Xbox one remember , the guy said the ps4 is the better console lol
latincooker214  +   889d ago
well said;)
wiz7191  +   889d ago
Who really cares about what's more powerful multiplats gonna look the same regardless and they both gonna succeed .. all these speculations and the consoles aren't even out yet
6DEAD6END6  +   889d ago
Whatever help you sleep at night lol.
Fergusonxplainsall  +   889d ago
Major Nelson grabs the mic and yells
"No! No!(laughs)Because.."

Then he flies away on his thunderbird, beyond the clouds and is never seen again.
danny818  +   889d ago
Its funny how its more powerful. Microsoft pr people are lying to everyone. Smh. Ps4 it is man. Not because its powerful but because its cheaper, better, more variety of first party games and people at sony seem so transparent
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Npugz7  +   889d ago
I'm curious to see if Dice is gonna make BF4 look better on the PS4 or keep it the same as the Xbox1??
Foxgod  +   889d ago
It wont surprise me if the X1 version looks better, Dice their engine is highly optimized for Direct-X.
Not so much for OpenGL like library's.
KonsoruMasuta  +   889d ago
*Yawn* I love the PS4 and I'm getting it day one but let's stop with the spec war articles. Graphics don't make the game. It's mostly about the gameplay. Let's compare games instead.

If I thought graphics was the only thing needed to make a good game I would game on my PC more often.
fghtrer3fb5erg  +   889d ago
No offence but if you dont care about graphics why you buying a ps4 then? :P
Elit3Nick  +   889d ago
Umm let's see..:
Your favorite games
All or most of your friends are on it
You are like most of the fanboys on this site, who believe that power is more important then everything else...
KonsoruMasuta  +   889d ago
Better games.

Infamous, Kill zone, DC.

Not to mention Sony gets more JRPGS than MS.
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strigoi814  +   889d ago
Grabs this is something interesting to watch
deadfrag  +   889d ago
This is just stupid frankly!People with brains already know for sometime that the PS4 is more powerfull all around than the X1.!!If the X1 was actually more powerfull Microsoft will never would had made overclocks to the Gpu AND Cpu to try to match the PS4.Among other moves!
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shadyiswin  +   889d ago
im sure there will be a huge difference,considering the ps3 was much more powerful than the 360 and there was to no difference,but the xb1 and ps4 are almost exactly a like,in all studies the ps4 would only get more fps which is not a big deal at all,idk why everyone is expecting a huge difference and on top of that the xb1 games look much better out the gate,and graphics never mattered anyways,you could not pay m to choose psn over xbox live,facts are facts.
Sarobi  +   889d ago
Alright with this said.. does this draw out the whole speculation that Xbox One has a dGPU? (I know that the whole dGPU speculation is a far fetched rumor, just feel like asking though)
FungalPsychosis  +   889d ago
Yeah it pretty much debunks it unless devs aren't even aware of a dGPU (which I seriously doubt).
JuniorCE  +   888d ago
Microsoft would've said it by now if it was true....
Crypt0ll7  +   888d ago
This is not happening,no dGPU for X1.
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