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Hideo Kojima Explains Quiet, Blames Backlash on Cultural Differences, Details MGS5's Themes

In the past few days many have criticized Hideo Kojoma for his portrayal of Quiet, that some considered oversexualized and sexist. The legendary developer doesn’t seem to be concerned and has no intention to go down without a fight. He gives an interesting explanation on the design philosophy behind the character and of the themes supporting Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain. (Hideo Kojima, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain, PS3, PS4, Xbox 360, Xbox One)

Update Update: Kojima posted his own English translation of the first tweet. The post has been updated with it, replacing the Japanese original

Update 2: the second tweet has always been translated to English by Kojima himself, and added to the article.

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Axisian  +   325d ago
"IT'S RIDICULOUS!1!!"
...Even though we've seen the character having some skin-altering abilities to camouflage herself.

People just like to moan about everything.
Army_of_Darkness  +   325d ago | Well said
There is no cultural differences when it comes to sexy half naked girls!? Real men love that shit no matter what shape, size or ethnicity they may be :-D
It's just that the U.S has more cry babies that have nothing better to do that's all.
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DragonKnight  +   325d ago
That's the cultural difference though. The U.S. was founded on Puritan ideologies that permeated the culture and exist in some form even today. Conversely, if you look at Japan's history in terms of sex and sexuality, they were far less conservative in their past than they are now. And even now they are only publicly conservative, but privately?...
Concertoine  +   325d ago
i dont think its a matter of being a "real man"
some people just dont like provocative character models. some like female characters with designs that leave more to the imagination.
im not trying to say "CHANGE IT" because kojima said it fit with the character in a way, im just saying at first glance im not a fan of it. this doesn't make me a "cry baby", a feminazi, a homosexual, or a masochistic woman worshipper. it makes me not a fan of a design.
Winter47th  +   325d ago
He said "I want to make my characters EROTIC so their figures would sell better".

No cultural difference, just objectifying based on sex appeal. Take it as you want, but that's basically what pimps do as well.
Irishguy95  +   325d ago
Culturally, there is massive difference of Reaction due to this stuff @ Winter. Japan don't give a **** about 'objectifying based on sex appeal' and the US do. How this came to be? Christianity versus Shintoism and Buddhism. The values still fall through to today.

"Take it as you want, but that's basically what pimps do as well." Lol, yes, quiet is a real person who gets ****ed for money. Poor girl.
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Bimkoblerutso  +   325d ago
...I am a real man. I like looking at female sexiness just like any other heterosexual man.

But I DON'T necessarily want that when I'm playing a game designed to sell me on an artistic vision. If something seems like it was shoehorned in for the sake of shallowly appealing to a specific demographic (as sexuality so often is), then yes, it offends me not as a man, but as a consumer.

All that being said though, this particular example isn't as ridiculous as people are making it seem, especially now that Kojima has explained that she has a camouflaging ability that benefits from her near-nudity.
CryofSilence  +   325d ago
Just watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

She is the one being tortured at the beginning. Real MGS fans never doubted Kojima's ability to design good characters. If I had to guess, her design is made to make you feel guilt about the exploitation of women. At the very least, we should reserve judgment for when it is due.

"Quiet, a sniper deprived of her words."
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aCasualGamer  +   325d ago
Kojima is a true artist, what he does few people are able to understand. But those who do, can see the genius thought behind it.

I think it's his creative choice to do whatever suits his story best, if you don't like it then don't buy it.
kparks  +   325d ago
Dont hear anyone complaining about those bod spray commercials where the women is rubbing all over the ripped guy wearing nothing but shorts going "i want ur bod" but put a girl in a video game trailer and shit hits the fan! Yup makes complete sense
SilentNegotiator  +   324d ago
@Winter

...did you seriously just compare showing off sexy character models to PIMPING?!
Aceman18  +   325d ago
Kojima-san you don't have to explain a damn thing to these whiny complainers. i've always loved your designs, and will continue to love them.
stuff  +   325d ago
Amen

Haters gonna hate. Those other third-party devs just put in their two-cents for no reason. MGSV is going to sell like oxygen on Mars either way.

Kojima has always had unique characters with amazing backstories and I have always loved them. MGS is the only game where I've cared to know every detail about the other characters/enemies.
PSjesus  +   325d ago
Any one watched the MGS3 documentary with (Subsistence collection)

the original design for the Boss is topless(or one side i think )and the head of the snake scar is on her breast and they called her (laughing Cobra) because when she shoot by machine-gun her breast bounce and looks like the snake is laughing.

but then Kojima changed it completely because of cultural difference
One_Eyed_Wizard  +   325d ago
I've seen that too. It was interesting. Kind of wished it would have been in the full game.
Evilsnuggle  +   325d ago
America are just a bunch of crying school girls. ITS JUST A VIDEO GAME!!!!!
Aceman18  +   325d ago
i'm american and i love this design, i've always loved Kojima-san designs. it's really sad how that DB from 343 complained about something that's not even that damn serious.

actually anyone who is complaining about this design really have nothing better to do with themselves imo.
mario19  +   325d ago
If it is just a video game to you would you rather play as lara croft with square shaped boobs or with natural and more realistic looking boobs. Last time I checked character models are important in almost every video game that uses them. In this case the complaint is more towards her butt. So would you rather play as a women with no butt rather then one that has a nice curve to it?
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Elit3Nick  +   325d ago
Is that really confirmed? I though during the trailer that it was strange that the black around her eyes disappeared, because it didn't look like shadows. Good catch none-the-less.
MizTv  +   325d ago
I like why I see so far
Bring on mgs5
THamm  +   325d ago
I saw worse on MTV. Total degrading of women for money.
N8  +   325d ago
Yeah I knew someone said there was a reason for it. It's a game... She's a fake half naked women big deal
nosferatuzodd  +   325d ago
indeed If video games are ever going to be considered "art" it's going to need more people like Kojima
who don't back down because hypocrites who called their self game developers who are living off past games success and talking like the other idiots from fax5 who blame videogames for anytime a careless person get a gun and go on a rampage
ZodTheRipper  +   325d ago
He shouldn't have to explain this in the first place. People complaining about this character model probably haven't played MGS before ...and exactly those are the same that prevent games from being accepted as art.
uncharted56  +   325d ago
People didn't had a issue with mgs 4. Its just that after you get games like The Last of Us and Bioshock Infinite which represent woman in a different light and do justice with their characters and then you see shit like this especially from Kojima who has praised these games it's kind of heartbreaking. It also shows gamers are maturing and don't necessarily want sexism in their games and don't expect it from a game veteran like Kojima. For me personally I find that outfit a little disturbing too. Could had definitely made it a little less extreme and ppl would had been fine with it.
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DragonKnight  +   325d ago
There's no frickin' sexism here and not wanting gorgeous women dressed in sexy outfits is not a sign of maturity.

For goodness sake people don't know what maturity is. It ISN'T demanding that themes be altered to fit personal tastes, it IS accepting all themes and simply ignoring those that don't suit your own tastes.
xXxSeTTriPxXx  +   325d ago
Ummmm yeeeah.
Imalwaysright  +   325d ago
"which represent woman in a different light and do justice with their characters" You obviously haven't played MGS3. The Boss is by far the most strong and charismatic female character in videogames.
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stuff  +   325d ago
Question: Is anytime in which a woman is not fully dressed, in a form of media, considered sexist? Should all women just where the hijab and men only be allowed to have a beard if they are married? Should there not be any guns in MGSV so as not to promote violence? Gelassenheit for its all?

I support people living and believing what they will. What I don't support is people trying to force their will on others. Whether through violence, peaceful protest, or fear campaigning; they create the same levels of resentment and rejection from me. If you don't like how something is done don't buy it, but don't try to force a change. Especially for something that won't actually make a difference in how you may live.
Baka-akaB  +   325d ago
That's funny considering most female characters of the MGS mytho are treated fairly well and rather strong willed and as people love to say independant .

None of them were damsels in distress , nor pimping themselves
KoolSaladBro  +   325d ago
Because Kojima has never done something like this before right? Not with Fortune, the fact that the Beauty and the Beast Unit are models. Not even when you played as Raiden naked and you could cartwheel.
I can tell people like you have never fully experienced an MGS game.
elnacho  +   325d ago
@Uncharted56: totally with you on that. People who reply that "Kojima has done this before, so it's not a problem" are missing the point: the video game industry has evolved in the past 10 years and what was valid for MGS3 might be irrelevant today. Games such as The Last Of US, or even the last Tomb Raider, show us that the industry as a whole is evolving, that there can be strong female characters that don't wear (only) a G-string and fishnets in the middle of a war.

It's also concerning that some people are still trying to defend Kojima's artistic integrity on this one, when the man himself said he did this to "sell more figurines". So give whatever justification you want, at the end of the day the character model was revealed exactly to sell more goodies, and that's what it's gonna do, so I laugh when I read about "Kojima's integrity".

Kojima can change the story all he wants, his first statement was that it would help make more money.
https://twitter.com/HIDEO_K...

So, people who mention "Kojima's artistic integrity" as a point for their argument can be dismissed. This leaves very few people with valid arguments on the subject trying to defend the man.
OrangePowerz  +   325d ago
I played all MGS games including the PSP games and that character design tops the list. In previous games the characetrs had at least proper pants on while showing some cleavage except Fortune in MGS2 but she was invincible so she didn`t had to worry about wearing something that isn`t practical for gun fights or crawling around on the floor.

If I would see quiet in a Desert during a gun fight I would laugh at her for how unpractical she dresses unless she was working under cover as a hooker because that`s how she looks like.
ZodTheRipper  +   325d ago
I'd love to hear your honest opinion on her after you've played the game.
OrangePowerz  +   325d ago
My opinion will still be that the outfit is horrible for somebody fighting in a war scenario. I was always looking forward a lot to MGS games, but with each news piece on the game my interest in MGS5 get`s lower.
ginsunuva  +   325d ago
EVA in mgs3 says hi.

And the beauties.

And the locker posters.
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TongkatAli  +   325d ago
Dragon's Crown and now this.
adorie  +   325d ago
God almighty, That Witch in Dragon's Crown makes my back hurt every time I look at her. :P

lol@disagrees. I guess it's all my imagination.
The Disagrees, or people behind them rather are people who know me better than i know myself. Awesome, either way. :)
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TongkatAli  +   325d ago
LOL!
DragonKnight  +   325d ago
@adorie: You get an agree and a +Bubble from me for talking about Dragon's Crown in humour rather than in feminism. Why? Well you're probably a regular woman who has more important things to think about than the size of a fictional character's breasts.
PSjesus  +   325d ago
yet nobody complain about Kratos or other naked men.
double standard
yet in real life women wearing bikini every where
while men cover most of their body
OrangePowerz  +   325d ago
Well the dress code of Kratos would be more realistic for a Spartan compared to the dress code for somebody who is going into a fire fight in a desert area where you are likely to have to crawl on the ground to evade being spotted by enemies or try not to get a horrible sun burn all over your body.
PSjesus  +   325d ago
her skin change color as camouflage
Baka-akaB  +   325d ago
" the dress code of Kratos would be more realistic for a Spartan"

Except it's not . They had leather , bronze armor cuirass , basically the regular stuff greek hoplite would wear . It's movies and games that wanna pictures half naked badasses
OrangePowerz  +   325d ago
@PSjesus

If you run around in a desert like area where sandstorms are possible you want mpre than changin skin colour when little stomes fly at you.

@Baka

I said more realstic compared to the outfit Quiet wears. It's as supid as Rambo running around half naked in a war scenario.
Baka-akaB  +   325d ago
But it's not even that . The guys is not even protected and half naked most times .. kratos is pretty rambo from your scenario.
vishmarx  +   325d ago
im still not understanding all the criticism.we saw quiet back at e3/still looks same
also its kinda odd how alot of devs seem to have the exact same opinion.
tomb raider(how was that any less obscene,if thats what you call it),bf4,343....
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EdoubleD  +   325d ago
He shouldn't have to explain anything.

They can all fuck off.

They could have reacted at E3 but why now?
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Abriael  +   325d ago
Probably because at E3 there were too many news to write, now it's a period with quite a few slow news days.
EdoubleD  +   325d ago
Just goes to show the white knights/feminazis were in luck when this trailer arrived.

I figured there is a reason why Quiet looks the way she does. I'm confused but I am willing to wait and see why. Not jump the gun like many did.
Shadonic  +   325d ago
Because... they don't even know.
xXxSeTTriPxXx  +   325d ago
Sad thing about it is, the gaming community wasn't pay ANY attention to this until adam sessler bros b4 hoes trophy rant smh.

What with hip hop vids, big budget hollywood movies with softcore porn scence and free internet porn, how can you even look at gaming? go play metro last light on pc now that's awesom I mean awful.
wishingW3L  +   325d ago
most people didn't know that was going to be her outfit through all the game until Kojima started to hype her looks on twitter.
AceBlazer13  +   325d ago
You shouldn't have to explain yourself kojima.Some of the people complaining don't have half the experience you do in the industry.if you know what your doing I trust you.
OrangePowerz  +   325d ago
Question is if it is all Kojimas decision, after all every time Konami get`s him to do another MGS because it`s one of the few franchise that make them pretty much guaranteed money. Konami might follow the same crap approach that other Japanese companies follow for a few years now to make games appeal more to the western audience like Capcom does with Resident Evil or Square with FF13. Everything would point towards that so far like getting Sutherland on board to play the main character because he is very well known in the states or showing the game at the MS conference.

I trust Kojima, I don`t trust Konami letting him do what he wants.
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TheFallenAngel  +   325d ago
Who would go into war in a bikini? Kojima logic.
EdoubleD  +   325d ago
How about you wait and see why that is?
TheFallenAngel  +   325d ago
What's a good logical explanation for why would a woman go to war in a bikini?
_QQ_  +   325d ago
@fallenangel they are in a hot dessert and her skin may end up working like active camo.
mario19  +   325d ago
Fallangel

It is a goddamn videogame goddamnit!
xXxSeTTriPxXx  +   325d ago
Shit its hot in the middle east.
Kennytaur  +   325d ago
Perhaps she wants to feel the breeze gently touch her buttocks as she dies?

At the very least it'll make men think twice before killing her, giving her a split second to take them out first.
KonsoruMasuta  +   325d ago
Read the damn tweets.

He explains that there is a logical reason for her exposure.
specialguest  +   325d ago
Yes because an obviously fictional/fantasy world of the MG series makes logical sense... /s

Forget about the fact that valcun raven goes to war shirtless with a huge turbine engine strapped on his back. Forget the fact that Eva walks around in a jumpsuit zipped completely down exposing her breast, and Fortune's outfit is a one piece bikini under a trench coat. How dare they not make logical sense in a fantasy game!

Yes because Quiet was the first character ever to make no logical dresscode sense in a fantasy war game. /s
pr0t0typeknuckles  +   325d ago
If its a half naked woman oh my god how could you
If its a half naked buff man, meh its okay hes believable
Abriael  +   325d ago
This is the comment a (male) feminist posted on one of my past news pieces on the issue just two days ago.

"in regards to males it doenst matter if they're objectified because they're protected by male privilege"

No, I'm not joking. Quoted word by word.
Swiggins  +   325d ago
Here's the thing, those half naked males aren't being objectified, at least that's not the intent.

When a buff-shirtless man is present it's almost always as a way for men to feel empowered, and it plays into the power fantasy of the male psyche.

The "Oh well it happens to us too" doesn't hold up anyway because the ratio of male objectification to female objectification is almost nil. Just look at advertisements in the last 50 years or so and you'll see that I'm right.
Abriael  +   325d ago
@Swiggins: lol keep the ridiculous excuses up. A body is a body. regardless of gender.

That's what parity is.
Swiggins  +   325d ago
I'm not making excuses, I'm making observations. They're also far from ridiculous, I'd be happy to back it up with credible scholarly articles if you'd wish.

You believe that things are equal? I strongly disagree.

I didn't come here with the intention of changing your opinion on the character design (how could I?), I only wanted to open up a discourse.

Clearly though, I'm not welcome here, you guys don't wanna hear dissenting opinions, you wanna continue the circle-jerk, which I have to admit is par for the course on N4G.
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Qrphe  +   325d ago
This is ridiculous, no one should have a saying in an artist's piece of work. If Quiet is changed in anyway I'll be pissed.
wishingW3L  +   325d ago
what artists piece of work? Kojima himself said that he wanted her to be like that for the cosplayers, because that makes them more money. -__-
Qrphe  +   325d ago
And it still doesn't matter because it's his work. An author should be in full control of its property. If he wants to represent a character in a certain way, you can either take it or drop it and enjoy something else, but don't go around complaining others shouldn't enjoy it.
staticdash22  +   325d ago
Hey Kojima,

You shouldn't have to don't explain yourself, Nuff said.
-Gespenst-  +   325d ago
Okay, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Though I'm still a bit nettled by his remark about her design being chiefly for the sake of female cosplayers and action figure sales... I mean surely that's the height of cynicism and of being a sell-out? Unless of course him saying that was some kind of meta-commentary on the industry, and the character of Quiet is actually a commentary on the representation of women and their objectification under the male gaze- in which case the sexists who think Kojima is just like them are in for a shock.
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Abriael  +   325d ago
Just a clarification, he was NOT talking about Quiet in that remark, as some thought. He was talking about another, unannounced character.
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Raiden365  +   325d ago
Hope fanservice is covered in MGS5 as one of the serious issues he planned to address in game lol. Good ole Hideo.
Abriael  +   325d ago
Since when fanservice is a "serious issue"?

Besides for clickbaiting journos, I mean.
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Raiden365  +   325d ago
Its not serious. That's the point. However, notice that only highly anticipated titles like Dragon's Crown and now MGS get ridiculed for "over-sexed" characters.
GreenRanger  +   325d ago
He wouldn't have to explain himself if he didn't fill his game with cringe-worthy freaks.
Aleithian  +   325d ago
This is very sad. A genius like Kojima suffering backlash from ignorant feminazis over a bit of skin. And as so many people have pointed out in comments to these stories, complaints about this sort of thing dilute opposition to real cases of sexism.

Pathetic. Kojima and Quiet have my support.
Majin-vegeta  +   325d ago
Bunch of crybabies and wankers on the web.Don't give in to peer pressure kojima.If they don't like it they don't have to buy it.
SharnOfTheDEAD  +   325d ago
Snake "why are you so exposed on the battlefield"

Quiet "......."

Snake "why aren't you answering me?"

Quiet "........."

Quiet then points her rifle Snake, then points at the ground and writes in the sand.

'I was over-encumbered but didn't want to lose the gun'

Gamer "ahhh it all makes sense now"
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SpideySpeakz  +   325d ago
Her design looks like a GI Joe hooker. Don't see what's so 'sexy' about it. Tacky? Yes. Sexist? maybe not.
Mr-SellJack  +   325d ago
Haters to this subject are completely retarded
Soldierone  +   325d ago
I think his plan worked. He knew a "sexy character" would bring out the cry babies, and it worked flawlessly. How many sites was his game plastered on in either positive or negative views on it? Plan worked.

This is basically just him smiling and going "thanks for helping!"
Swiggins  +   325d ago
That much is absolutely true, there's no such thing as bad publicity.
KonsoruMasuta  +   325d ago
Why does no one complain about the hookers and strippers in GTA?
CrossingEden  +   325d ago
Look up the definition of the word context, hookers in a ghetto city, contextual makes sense, a woman wearing a bikini, thong and leggings with straps on her shoulders (which btw would hurt and scratch her skin)as a sniper in the desert does not make any sense nor is it contextual.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A...
^ makes sense
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/up...
^ Makes sense, if I see one more comment saying "oh it's too hot in the desert" I'm gonna have an aneurism. Last time I checked, being hot in the desert and protected or in camo is better than being physically "hot" in the desert with soldier burns thanks to heavy gear. Above explains perfectly how I feel.
"Some people just don't like provocative character models. some like female characters with designs that leave more to the imagination.
I'm not trying to say "CHANGE IT" because kojima said it fit with the character in a way, im just saying at first glance I'm not a fan of it. this doesn't make me a "cry baby", a feminazi, a homosexual, or a masochistic woman worshipper. it makes me not a fan of a design."
KonsoruMasuta  +   325d ago
But you don't know anything about the character. Kojima is saying that there is a logical reason for her exposure that does make sense.
Even Quiet's actor said that there is a reason.

This backlash is because people think there is no reasoning behind it but there is.

And I don't know why you're comparing Quiet to real world Snipers when she is not your average sniper. There are things about this character that are above reality.
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wishingW3L  +   325d ago
because it goes well in context with the themes of the game.
KonsoruMasuta  +   325d ago
Read my reply to the person above you.
Inception  +   325d ago
Oh man, Kojima should used some tips from Kamiya and just say 'F**k off' to this feminazis. Honestly, are this people ever play MGS???
CocoWolfie  +   325d ago
yeah i agree people were too quick to judge, calling someones creativity disgusting, like there has been a lot of games that do similar things, its a video game, plus i keep saying maybe shes hot sniping in the desert all day long? >.< anyway im looking forward to what exactlys in store for us :)
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Cryptcuzz  +   325d ago
If this was some other game with characters that have sex appeal or are wearing revealing outfits, it would have been nothing to talk about. I can see a lot of people just voicing their opinion on this character simply because it is a big name franchise that they know would get attention.

For example the BF4 developer: Are you telling me you made a tweet about every revealing character from all recent movie/ video game you have seen and played recently?

I thought so.
Mouktouk  +   325d ago
Honestly, I'm surprised people are discovering the sexy part of Metal Gear.
- MGS1: Sniper Wolf's boobs, Meryl's panties;
- MGS2: naked Raiden, Olga's sexy armpits, Fortune's leotard;
- MGS3: Eva's boobs and pipe show, The Boss' scar;
- MGS4: Naomi's boobs, all Frogs are women, being able to jiggle Rose's breast, B&B Corps and the hidden photo shoot;
- Peace Walker: zooming on female characters in cutscenes show them in panties, plus the "special mission" with Paz and Kaz;

Plus the hundreds of sexy girl posters and other sexy easter eggs like the radar in Arsenal Gear. So yeah, Metal Gear Solid always had some sexy characters or sexy hidden stuff. Nothing surprising.
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jc48573  +   325d ago
you've ultimately proved that complainers are non MGS fans who like to judge what people play. They just found better reasons to complain about with a picture of Quiet. Then we have developers who never shared any comments till this date just be the white knight and advertise their own game by putting down on others.
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wishingW3L  +   325d ago
yet, none of them looked like a stripper or a straight up hooker. This is way beyond a bit of cleavage, this is just tacky:

http://www.konami.jp/kojima...
jc48573  +   325d ago
maybe you should blame technology for being this good at depicting skin because you guys have been upgrading your graphic cards all this time for what? right....
EximiusNebula  +   325d ago
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DivineAssault  +   325d ago
ppl need to stfu about this already.. If thats the art style he chose, then im sure it will be great in the end.. People bitch too much
EximiusNebula  +   325d ago
There must be new people to this franchise. They obviously don't know about this:

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/Mwd9...
posthero01  +   325d ago
He shouldnt have to defend himself for the art direction he too. All of those directors and haters need to fuck off.
Racer_X  +   325d ago
I honestly believe that the people who have a problem with Quiet's attire are people who don't even play MGS or not even fans to begin with.

EDIT: This sexism stuff in MGS is nothing new as mentioned by others who know and play MGS. If anything, it's partly what makes MGS MGS.
#28 (Edited 325d ago ) | Agree(2) | Disagree(0) | Report | Reply
TheKingWilliamV  +   325d ago
Hmmm Interesting Halo 4 designer I'll just leave this right here...

http://sweshadow90.devianta...
droc1123  +   325d ago
one does not simply criticize kojima...you explain what concerns you and he decides if you live or die!!!
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