Major Nelson: “Looking forward” as the “truth comes out” regarding PS4 being 30% superior vs Xbox One
He is a very strange representative for a company ...wouldn't surprise me if he's the mastermind behind greenpowerz lol
I would be surprise if the Xbox One is more 30% more powerful than the PS4. EDIT: I'M referring to this article and the Hot Chips event. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz...
Prepare to be not surprised then.
*-* Some of you are funny.
@Child are on to something or are you just babbling?
But it's not, so there goes that surprise Lol
Is he trolling? Who claimed the PS4 is 30% more powerfull?
Well we shall see when independent bench tests are done....both consoles will be under a MICROscope, lol so we'll know exactly what the gap is. I'm betting as Ive said a million times now that specs wise neither will have a significant advantage....hell if games are anything to go by I'm already right with X1 at least looking like X1 devs are a bit ahead but of course its early, either way the games on both sides will continue to showcase what devs can accomplish with hardwork, money, vision, and of course talent.
My comment is not a fanboy comment. I don't care which is more powerful. I just want to play some new games, on new consoles.
That was a nonsense rumor. The PS4 is possibly 50% more powerful than the Xbox 180 though.
Big boy Larry talking smack. Did he forget the humiliation after the Angry Joe video?
I can not wait for the test to be done! It's going to be funny when all the ps fanboys see that the 50% and 30% is all a load of crap.
You people are getting too excited. What Penelo said was something like that were elements on X1 hardware that weren't fully understood, also saying that also on Ps4 there were elements that weren't fully comprehended. He said that the 30% couldn't be entirely true because no one was counting with the software part, then he mention that they made Direct X 11(?). The "truth" is about the integrity of the entire system.
Godchild, the most intelligent statement here in a long time.... I too do not care what it takes to get it on my TV screen.... As long as the games are great, and look amazing.... Who cares whats under the hood.... Its whats on my TV that counts.... Killzone looks great... Forza looks great.... Statements like that though condemns you to disagrees here...
You are right but everyone seems to forget the move drives the sound drives etc witch where design by MS for MS so Hyrbis right only time will tell and high customization will show the difference.
My comment came off a little strong but @Child posts evidence of MS console possibly being on par with Sony's machine. With all these work arounds and up clocks MS has done I possibly believe Sony and MS console will be pretty close in performance. And that's a good thing.
Where did they find those "world-class software engineers", because they were nowhere to be found during the production of the latest version of windows!
Dude that rumour was started by 1 of the biggest and most delusional xbox fanboys on the internet, yes more delusional then neverending. It makes no sense if this was true Microsoft would be screaming it off the rooftops. Also if you have seen the hotchips slides, dgpu makes no sense for the memory system they are using. They are just trying to downplay the PS4 specs it would not be the first time Mayor Nelson/Microsoft PR lie i think they are doing it daily by now.
I think what sony has an advantage in is video game developing, they already seem a bit ahead with killzone and infamous with the insane amout of effects and action. Sony seems to have that upper hand... But in hardware, we don't have any idea.
@Godchild1020 .Lmao....pls don't make fbs start another war here..oh damn its too late.its started already..all these comments aside I'm kind of liking larry,penello,harrison,spencer and mehdi a lot infact the entire xbx team are doing great..I dnt care hw the fight for graphics ends..I just want to play dr3 ,halo,gow any rare adenture game and titanfall so badly...but i saw that article somedays ago..if it does turn out to be true then halo5 would be freaking awesome... 343, blackstusk, good science ,rare, epic ,remedy and lionhead must be hard at work as we speak....nice
"The "truth" is about the integrity of the entire system." If that's the case, the Xbox team are in for a very bumpy ride. They're done more 180s on the integrity of their system to leave even Dead or Alive dizzy with all that spinning.
Jeez, this again. We already know pretty much exactly how each platform is build and with what hardware, and it's just a fact; the PS4 is pretty far ahead of X1. There's no disputing this
@jokesonyou You are by far the most unintelligent, troll poster on this entire website. How you got the number of bubbles you have by posting such ignorance time and time again blows my mind.
I have the feeling there's more behind the PS4 HW....that "Yoshida's master plan" is very intrigating...what if the PS4 is upgradable?? Something in the future that will turn it into PS5 from one day to the other? 4-5 years from today that HW is released...maybe a dream out of reality, sorry in that case:)
Is Major Nelson getting hired by Sony in the next few months? That's the only way his comment makes sense. Just from the raw specifications, PS4 is definitely more powerful than the Xbone. There is no denying that. What it comes down to then is OS load and optimization. If he's saying that their OS is more optimized and therefore reduces PS4 advantage, that's something I can understand (extremely unlikely going by the three OS setup on Xbone). If he's saying that the Xbone is technically more powerful, it's not. It's just...not.
For anyone out there who isn't going to read the actual article, Larry is trying to say that they will be able to get just as much out to the Xbox One as the PS4 due to good programming. He is wrong. Theoretically, there is a threshold of 1.31 TFLOPS of performance. Regardless of coding ability, they will never be able to get the same level of theoretical performance out of the Xbox One as a proper program engineered for the PS4.
Oh now it's 30%. -_- It's still 40%.. but nice try MS.
People from both sides can say whatever they want, but the fact is that we do not know the full story behind either console's hardware. I can't wait to get my hands on both of them, whether there is disparity of power or not. Each one brings their own things to the table.
Poor Mehjurr Pelsuhn, but he needs to try harder.
AMD will announce their new GPUs on the 25th of semptember.. Microsoft will be having a conference on the 26th of september.... coincidence??? who knows? http://google.com
I love how they try to undermine the raw power advandage the PS4 clearly has. IMO they should focus on great games, that would benefit them more. The PS4 GPU was originally about 50% more powerful than the Xbone, before the Xbone got clocked 53Mhz higher, which made it 40-something%. EDIT: The PS4 still has MORE Stream Processors in the GPU,Compare it to engines: The PS4 still has more cylinders and HP, even though the Xbone got tuned a little bit and pushes out some extra HP. The CPU has also been clocked higher, but then again; Sony has not offcially confirmed any clock speed. Although Xbone is performing better with its CPU and GPU than before - which is a good thing - the bandwidth bottleneck with regards to the eSRAM has not been fully explained by Microsoft yet. Can both CPU and GPU access it? At the same time? This is why they can't go around saying "we can't wait for the truth to be revealed" yada yada.. The truth is that the PS4 has - and will always have - a more powerful GPU with more Stream Processors, and a faster type of memory with higher bandwith than is availible in the Xbone with it's DDR3, eSRAM and Move-engines. If not, then Microsoft should explain how they can surpass this. /rant EDIT 2: Another point is that while DirectX may be good and familiar, The PS4 will support everything DX 11.1 (11.2?) offers, but give developers more low level access to the hardware, meaning they can really take even more advantage of the HW without being limited by "rules" within DirectX.
Good luck with that, since it ain't gonna happen there are no "secret" parts or chips or a second GPU just the same old weaker than PS4s parts inside....You delusional Xbots are funny though, love it when idiots read a rumor from someone who has been confirmed full of crap and swear it's truth....... Again the games WOULD LOOK BETTER, an NDA is non-disclosure not non develop
Remember when the Cell in PS3 had the flops? How did that turn out? Besides, who cares? Fact of the matter is, consoles are behind PC. No let me rephrase that, consoles are WAY BEHIND PC! You want power, go with PC. You want ease of use and convenience, then console. I have always been of the mind that content and platform is what makes me buy a console. I loved the Wii, despite it's weak specs and I loved the Xbox 360 despite all the fangirls claim it was weaker than PS3. In the end it didn't matter, because what I cared about was being able to play the games I like and communicate with my friends efficiently with party/cross game chat. I constantly wished for dedicated server, and I got that with Xbox One. Now bring the games and the features, and I'm happy!
I dont know man, i used to think the the PS4 had a pretty good lead powerwise over the X1, but since MS has made all these upgrades (like upping the GPU and CPU clocks), i dont know anymore. While i still think that the PS4 is more powerful and Killzone's single player mode looks miles better than anything else on the next gen systems. The rest of the stuff i am not so sure of (well Infamous does look really good to), but everything else is to close/on par for me. Sony gotta come out and tell me they set their CPU clocks at something higher than 1.6Ghz and hopefully even upped their GPU clocks or show me through the games its a good clip more powerful, cuz right now its not looking as good for Sony for me as it once did. I mean seriously these CPU's can easily do 2.0-2.4GHz and the GPU can easily do 1000MHz (1GHz) and not to mention, have more Compute Units (20). Sorry fanboys but i just keep real. And no, i still would not get a X1 and am still getting a PS4. But i just want it to be as good as it can be
@ HammadTheBeast "Big boy Larry talking smack. Did he forget the humiliation after the Angry Joe video?" or that everything he's said has either been reversed within 48 hours or completely wrong?
MS themselves said that they werent targeting the highest end graphics and that specs dont matter and then all of the sudden a 180 and specs do matter and the graphics are better than PS4's (Ryse and Forza). Oh MS, when will you stop reversing your stance busting all these 180s?
And the millions of gamers screwed over with a console that broke on them will look forward to seeing if Microsoft increasing the clock speed will result in overheating consoles. Besides, the clock speed increase was 9%. Are you going to hand out "so there!"s when Ps4 is 21% more powerful, Major Windbag?
Look out Sony! They have an Ace in the Hole. Or something similar...
All I can say is the first party Sony studios maxed the hell out of the PS3 with that crazy hard to develop Cell processor, imagine what they can do with an "Easy" to develop system like the PS4. So yes Larry, the truth will come out and you will see the first party PS4 titles outshine the Xbox One.
The truth is out alright, and it's that the PS4 is STILL 30% more powerful than the Xbone, maybe even more. Sorry Xbox, looks like you've lost this round
Original Xbox was more powerful than PS2 and yet most of us couldn't tell a difference. PS3 was supposed to be more powerfull than Xbox 360...Looking at games of current gen, i can't see that to be true at all. Galaxy S3 was more powerful than iPhone 4s yet it didn't perform so much better in real world performance, heck out youtube. I am willing to bet my house that most of us console gamer's will not tell any difference between in multiplatform PS4 and Xbox One games. Both will be equal in graphics and capabilities. PS4's slightly better paper spec will mean nothing in realtime performance.
Jokesonyou, You lead the way for biased opinions and bullcrap lies. Take the goggles off and quit with your garbage. Can't you go five seconds without a ignorant remark? You're so anti-Sony that if they provided the world's food, you'd eat Windows 8 discs until you died.
@Olympus You say that "Original Xbox was more powerful than PS2 and yet most of us couldn't tell a difference" when that's simply not true. Take a look at the first Splinter Cell. It had to be severely scaled back just for it to run properly on PS2 and even the blind could tell the difference between the Xbox and PS2 versions of Splinter Cell. And there were loads of other games that had to be scaled back graphically on the PS2 or couldn't even dream of running on PS2 as well(Morrowind for instance), so let's try not to be a revisionist here. With the differences from the PS4 to Xbone hardware in terms of power, we could see scenarios just like that, especially when a game comes along that pushes the PS4 to it's limits. So keep telling yourself it won't matter all you want, but when the difference is that big, you Will see the difference. As of now, it really just looks like you're trying to justify an ill-advised pre-order.
40% Nelson, 40%
Here, now a developer has even confirmed this: http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
We'll have to see with the games. Forza vs Driveclub. Halo vs Killzone.
He's looking forward because he has secretly bought SONY shares.
Second GPU is BS. Won't happen. But - and maybe that's where this comes from - the X1 has a couple of things where it has the edge: 30 GB/s non-cacheable bandwidth to/from DDR3 vs. 20GB/s An additional DSP which is a signal processing monster. But beyond that, there's not much more. The eSRAM won't make a dent. The rest of the system is too small, and the 200GB.s wishful thinking, The DSP is usually used to do "wave form analysis" (or see it as a stream processor). It supposedly has some vector capabilities and is most likely used primarily for Kinect's signal processing - but if not, it might be used as an additional vector unit - and with it, theoretically - one could throw graphics tasks at it. But with that said, DSPs have no access to main RAM, they work on relative small buffers very fast. But none the less, there is a HW unit which can be "abused" to harness power. The 30GB/s are relevant for CPU heavy code and will give the X1 an edge. Now - this is nice and also sooo irrelevant, because, all things considered, the PS4 still has the pure compute advantage. MS missed the boat. CPU performance is not the biggest bottleneck these days, compute is - and gpu bandwith (and with it low latency draw calls and the number of such - which become NULL with a a proper shared memory setup). Reso Gun's developer stated this game runs [email protected] by using mostly GPU features only - most of the features run on the GPU and this includes heavy laden physics calculations. So much, that only 50% cpu is needed. I can only agree with this. A 8 core (or even 6 simple cores) are a major step up from current gens. If not used with graphics or physics - the cpu cores are faster than anything on current consoles - fast enough for sophisticated AI and game logic. X1 will only have an advantage - if at all - if those extra "chips" can be used for those "extra" calculations. And even then, most if not all of that could be done by the PS4's GPU - with it's 500GF compute advantage which will easily run those tasks (incl. 3D audio processing and physics). I rather think, if the X1 can match the PS4 it must use those extra "processors", otherwise the lead of the PS4 will be pretty obvious. CPU heavy straight PCs ports might fair quite well on the "faster" cpu. Maybe MS will try to spin this here again. I doubt this will be the norm over time, though.
“Looking forward” as “truth comes out” Don't celebrities, politicians and athletes use these phrases when they are obviously guilty of something and have to talk to the media about it. "I look forward to the trial where the truth will come out."
I hate surprises, especially when they come from Microsoft.... What exactly are we in for?
Leisure Truth Larry is renowned for being economical with the truth at the best of times and as slippery as a beaver covered in WD40!!
Ha, ha - Very funny.... But if there is any truth in this: 1) I will still be looking forward to my PS4 and the great games ahead. 2) This would be good for anyone getting the XB1. 3) Just how much are they losing per unit? Guess we are just going to have to wait until September 29/30!
Very funny comment. I had to do research to found out why so many xbox fans are throwing this theory out there. For the life I couldn't figure it out, but then I think I found something that may caused them to think this way. The main reason is because they are basing the theory on the dGPU or discrete GPU. that is all fine and dandy but I think most people are unaware what the dGPU is actually for. Grant it can process graphics and apply some theory but it is not as all powerful as some make it to be. The dGPU in most computers control the displayed graphics and does allow the CPU or GPU to access it if needed. This chip doesn't enhance too much in theory only gives help when needed or so; so the main GPU does not have to bare the hassle. Now out of that if MS is actually hiding something, then so be it, but still, wouldn't you think they would have already showed this card to prove they had the upper hand. I mean seriously, all we know Sony might reveal the same stucture or something similar.
Hahahaha @ calling him " Leisure Truth Larry" funny
It really does not matter at all. The fact is that Sony First Party Studios completely outclass Microsoft First Party Studious in every respect, and specifically when it comes to graphical output. If PS3 First Party Games vs Microsoft First Party Games are anything to go by, then PS4 will completely dominate XBone when it comes to First Party games, and specifically graphics. When it comes to third party titles, then it gets a bit screwed up, because exclusive content and such are bought and sold, and third party devs (historically) will develop for the lowest common denominator, even if one system is more powerful than the other.
That third party nonsense needs to stop. They should take more pride in their work than that. Are they actually happy with producing crap on the PS3 just to make the 360 version look as good?
I'm going to say something that I think might blow your mind: I don't like naughty dog's games. There, it's off my chest. Had that bottled up for like, 20 whole hours after I finally tried uncharted 2 yesterday (I've already done 1 and TLOU, unlikely to try 3 now). Note I'm not speaking against the quality of those games, I'm just pointing out that your preferences are your own.
@Volkama You were also dissing Alan Wake in a different article which is one of the best written exclusives on the 360 in my opinion and for most people that played it. Either you're a troll or have no taste in knowing what a great game is. I'm thinking the latter or just both since you just can't find enjoyment in some of the best games ever made this gen. Great story or great action with excellent gameplay, you just dissed them all. If there's one flaw, then you despise it. My advice...break your keyboard since when you type something, you make no sense. http://stream1.gifsoup.com/...
That's what m$ fanboys just don't understand And that's why I pick ps
It's true, I didn't enjoy Alan Wake. The combat in particular was not my cup of tea. I found myself hoping the nightmare bits would end not because the tension, but because I just didn't find the combat enjoyable. I typically don't enjoy stealth games either, and in the case of uncharted games I did not enjoy searching for the correct nook or ridge to progress through. I also acknowledge in my comment above that naughty dog's games are evidently high quality, but not to my tastes. My preferences do not match yours, so i don't make sense and should smash my keyboard???
@JohnS1313 Naughty Dog is not the only Sony 1st party studio mate (I played TLOU too, Jak 2 is still better lol) Try naming off and saying that all the other 1st party Sony studios and games are no good and don't impress you to make a proper point to ArchangelMike. Why are Naughty Dog the end all argument?
Andrewsquall I think you meant to say that to me? I'm not really out to bash studios that Sony own. I mention ND games purely to highlight that an opinion (common or otherwise) isn't gospel. Honestly I spent a good few years without really touching either console, but now I'm frantically trying to play through as many showpiece games as I can on both consoles before November. Heavy rain and the last 2 god of war games are high on my list to experience, and I expect I'll enjoy them a lot.
@Volkama My point is not about personal preference in regard to a particular type of game. My point is that when you compare Sony first party games with Microsoft first party games in terms of quality (not genre or style); Sony first party studios always produce better games - qualitatively. Ergo, if we go by history, Sony first party studios will produce better quality games as opposed to Microsoft first party studios; and this is regardless of the power difference between the consoles.
If you don't like ND games then you don't like games in general
The 1st round of 3rd party games will not be optimized for either system's strengths. This kind of thing always gets better later in the console's life. It's the 1st party games that we'll see these kind of optimizations earlier on.
The only people saying the PS4 isn't more powerful than the XB1 is MS.
The funny thing is, even with inferior hardware Sony's first party would outshine Microsoft. Now they have superior hardware coupled with a much simpler architecture that'll result in shorter development times which means the gap in quality and quantity of exclusive titles will be even bigger than this gen.
Except that he didn't actually say Ps4 isn't more powerful. He just said its not 30% more powerful. Get your facts right.
you know when Microsoft people speak i usually just "Yawn" because they NEVER tell the truth about anything.
Let's just say Sony studios are a lot better than Microsoft's. So Even if the xbox is powerful I honestly doubt they can outshine or even match the quality found in Naughty Dog, Media Molecule, Santa Monica and the rest of the gang. Look what they did with the ps3 hardware. PS4 is stronger so whats coming from them should be mind blowing.