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Submitted by Lawking100 227d ago | opinion piece

How long can the PS4 go before high-end PC computers outshine it?

Many would say High-end PC computers are already miles better than a PS4, but considering lots of developers create their games to be specially optimized for consoles, how long will it be until PC can hold more than 64 players on Battlefield or design prettier looking games? (PC, PS4)

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Starbucks_Fan  +   227d ago
Probably not long.
kneon  +   227d ago
It wouldn't surprise me if we see updated consoles every 3-4 years from now on. With the move to customized versions of standard hardware the development costs of the consoles should be much much lower. No more designing new chips and architectures from scratch.

So when future higher performance AMD CPU and GPU cores can be had for the same or lower price, and with similar or lower TDP they can release a new box that is fully backwards compatible yet much more powerful.

For developers this starts to look more like the PC world, except it's still vastly simpler as they are only dealing with 2 different configurations instead of thousands. Even after 20 years of this they would still only have a handful of configurations to worry about.
black0o  +   227d ago
some games take at less 2-4 years in development ... I think we are fine for the next 5 years
XB1_PS4  +   227d ago
Most every AAA game is developed for consoles, or with consoles in mind. Which means the games that are on PC stem as a marginal increase from the console version. This leads to pc hardware being overkill because nothing is graphically demanding enough to use all of the power. Whenever a new console is introduced, the PC gets better looking games. The pc will always have more power. Most of its more beautiful games rely on the console market though.

The graphics may look the same for a while, but high end pcs will be capable of 1080p 120fps while the consoles struggle for 60.
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nix  +   227d ago
i think really high end PC can already outsmart PS4. the reason i'm with PS is because of the games.
ThanatosDMC  +   227d ago
Not really a lot of devs that truly optimize a PC game for a specific graphics card though. Usually end up being modders who make the game look damn good. Just check Crysis 1 realism mod.
blackmagic  +   227d ago
Well, the PS4 has a weak CPU and a 1.84 TFLOP GPU.

Back in 2008, an HD 4870 already rocked 2.40 TFLOPS of computing power.

Today, a single HD 7990 cranks out 8.20 TFLOPS of computing power before we even talk about multi-carded setups and overclocking. That's 445% more computing power just for a single card.

On September 5th AMD announced their first of the 8xxx series of cards with more to come in the coming months.

The 7950, available for close to two years now, can be had for as little as $175 which buys 3.0 TFLOPS of computing power.
http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

The real question is how far behind is the PS4.
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The_Con-Sept  +   227d ago
I gave up on pc gaming for the fifth time now. This time with PS4 I am never going back to the stupid noob pc groupies who hang on to 500 dollar mice and keys, and never actually purchase their games.
Army_of_Darkness  +   227d ago
outshine in terms of good games!?!?, ummm.. probably Never.
ssj27  +   227d ago
I like the idea behind it but I will love a 10 times nore powerful console the PS5 in 5 years from now!
That sounds much attractive and smart!
starchild  +   227d ago
Considering that Battlefield 4, Call of Duty Ghosts, Assassin's Creed 4 and Watch_Dogs are all confirmed to have graphical advantages on PC over the console versions, I would say that the PC is already ahead out of the gate.

http://nvidianews.nvidia.co...
http://www.geforce.com/what...
gaffyh  +   227d ago
Hardware-wise, they already are.

Software-wise, they will for third party games in a few years. But first party is the main thing for Sony, and there'll never be anything anywhere near as good as stuff that Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch and Sony Santa Monica puts out.
infamous-butcher  +   227d ago
@Blackmagic

"Today, a single HD 7990 cranks out 8.20 TFLOPS of computing power before we even talk about multi-carded setups and overclocking. That's 445% more computing power just for a single card."

The 7990 is a dual gpu card. Its two 7970s on the one pcb rather than two separate cards. Also the HD8000 series is already out and is only available as oem cards.
http://www.amd.com/us/produ...
The HD9000 series might come out in October.
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/r...
but other than those misinformed statements what you say is true.

the ps4 gpu is suspected to be a hd7800 series card and is already out performed by many cards
the 7870 GHZ ed
7870 XT
7950
7950 GHZ ed
7970
7970 GHZ ed
and the 7990.
Not to mention all the Nvidia cards that slot in between those cards. The gtx 660, 660 ti, 670, 680, 690, 760, 770, 780 and the titan.
BTW cant wait to get my PS4.
blackmagic  +   227d ago
@infamous-butcher
I am aware that the 7990 is dGPU but there are quadfire setups out there (two 7990's in crossfire)
http://www.kitguru.net/comp...

You're right on the 8xxx, I typo'd that, I meant to write 9xxx and my comment was based on a forum thread I was reading over at Tom's Hardware which I misread so overall, that whole sentence is bs! lol

You're keeping me honest! :)
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slimeybrainboy  +   227d ago
So what? I really don't understand this high end PC fascination.

You can always create a higher spec PC, but so what? It's just the same as the PC market, you could buy a tablet or a mac, or you could buy each component and make a custom PC that's more powerful but more expensive and more effort. It's the same for every thing else, food, cars, furniture. Comparing consumer products to custom builds is so dumb.
STK026  +   227d ago
A small correction, building a PC more powerful than a mac is also likely going to cost less than buying a mac.

As for the "high end PC fascination", people like to play on PC for various reasons, for one, some games are simply a better fit on PC (games like StarCraft, League of Legends, DOTA2, World of WarCraft and the Total War series for example). Multiplatform games also look better on PC, and usually run better as well. While most games this generation were at around 720p with a 30FPS cap, the same games could run at 1080p+ with no framerate cap and better shadows, textures and AA on high end PCs.

As for comparing custom builds to consumer products, you can buy pre-built PCs, so I'm not sure I understand your point.
Autodidactdystopia  +   227d ago
yeah just don't buy garbage.

dell, Compaq, hp, acer, asus, lol all that trash is actually more expensive than custom building unless you buy the bargain bin walmart e-machine, in which case you deserve to suffer for being so dumb as to willfully purchase an e-machine.

for you a car is a get you from point a to point b kinda thing, for me its all about the experience, especially knowing you can take hills just as well as you can take slopes.
starchild  +   227d ago
If you are happy gaming on a console, that's fine. But not everybody is satisfied with that level of quality.

I love games a lot and I want them to look and perform as best as possible. I don't like the jaggies, screen tearing, pop-in and slow down in most console games.

On PC you can minimize most of those graphical problems and also simply enjoy better graphics in general.

It's no different than movie lovers who buy high quality displays, Blu-ray players and audio systems in order to enjoy their movies with higher image quality and audio fidelity.

Some people are satisfied watching their movies on a 30" tube tv, but some people have higher standards and want something better than that.
Lisica  +   227d ago
It costs less to build a PC.

We all use PCs.
Why would I need a PC and a console, if I can do it all on the PC?
HammadTheBeast  +   227d ago | Well said
High end PC's are already outshining it, that's not the point of a console.
FamilyGuy  +   227d ago
I prefer a reversal of this question, How long will it be before we see a game engine that's tailor-made for the PS4 taking advantage of its hardware to a degree that really places it on par with a high-end gaming PC?

High-end PCs already surpass it in the current state but a brand new engine like the one Quantic Dream is working on would allow the PS4 to be formidable for a few years to come.
jeffgoldwin  +   227d ago
Wow that's really some dillusional thinking right there. On you on drugs by chance?

Anyways people buy consoles for exclusives. Ps4/One is already 2 years behind a high end pc before they even release.
tigertron  +   227d ago
@ jeffgoldwin

Do you think a 2005 PC could handle the likes of The Last Of Us?
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Autodidactdystopia  +   227d ago
Ill answer for jeff.

Yes.

at least mine could :) but most no, no billions of dollars being pumped into my hardware being stretched to its limits.

a better question would be, do you think a pc from 2005 with billions of dollars of R&D over the course of its lifetime couldn't?

2 diff systems and ideologies that's all :D
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addictgamer  +   227d ago
The Radeon 1950 XTX @ 375 GFLOPS launched a month before the PS3 @ 230 GFLOPS so yes, a PC from 2006 would likely run it better (the PS3 didn't exist in 2005, it launched Nov 2006).

Actually, now that I think about it, the geforce 7900 GX2 was 288 GFLOPS and it was available in March of 2006.
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FamilyGuy  +   227d ago
Jeff, have you seen any games on PC that look as good as The Dark Sorcerers tech demo prior to feb 2013?

On that 2005 note, the PS3 wasn't developed in 2006, it was released in 2006. It took years of R&D for that to happen.
ABizzel1  +   227d ago
They already outshine the PS4 in everything except RAM, the difference is with the PS4 you can get a great mid-range gaming experience for $400, and with PC it's $600 - $800 for that same mid-range gaming experience.

But High End PC's are already ahead of the PS4 and XB1. PS4 and XB1 are high end laptops.
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ABizzel1  +   227d ago
@Gamingsince75

You don't have to factor in the price of online with the PS4 unless you want to, and another bonus is when you pay for PS+ to play online you'll also get at least 12 free games per year (more likely 24+), so paying for online on the PS4 isn't as hard of a bullet to bite, vs another console.

But yeah I wrote that a while back. In the long term a gaming PC is the better choice if you can get over that initial "high price".
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The_Infected  +   227d ago
PC can outshine graphics but will never outshine PS4 exclusives.

"Naughty Dog" Talent > graphics "Crytek"
iamgoatman  +   227d ago
Yeah, because all PC has is Crytek...
Seafort  +   227d ago
Crytek hasn't given shit about PC gamers for the last 2 years since they developed Crysis 2 for consoles.
I'd rather have indie devs and CD Project RED than Crytek and their EA masters.

The reason most publishers hate the PC is because it can't be controlled like the consoles can.

There's mods, config changes than affect graphics, sound and gameplay and many other things they have no control over.
zero_gamer  +   227d ago
I never play Crytek games on my PC and I have over 300 games in my Steam library.

You know nothing about NFL, yet you say nothing can outshine your High School football team.
starchild  +   227d ago
Naughty Dog make great games and they are a big part of the reason I own a PS3 and will own a PS4, but get real, their games are not the only good games around. I have played dozens of games this generation that I have enjoyed just as much.

Oh, and the Crysis games are good games. Maybe not amazing games, but good games nonetheless. Crysis has like a 91 on metacritic, while Crysis 2 has an 86 and Crysis 3 has like a 77 I believe. Those scores represent good games. They aren't the crappy games people like you make them out to be.

@Seafort

Your comment couldn't be further off base. If Crytek didn't care about the PC gaming market why would they add the DirectX11 features and high res texture pack to Crysis 2 on PC? Why would Crysis 3 be such an advanced game on PC, to the point that it is far above the console versions and manages to look better than next gen games?

And publishers don't hate the PC. They make a huge amount of money off the PC. Nearly every game gets released for the PC nowadays. And along with the PC exclusives, the PC actually gets more games than any other platform.
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Gamer1982  +   227d ago
PCs already beat it even with games being optimized for PS4. They have admitted already Battlefield will be locked at 720p as they cant even do 1080p 60fps. A Mid range PC can handle it (around £600-£700) Based on specs of the game (very similar to BF3) They can trade off the 720P and get 1080p but then they would have to drop the frames to 30FPS. The fact is they still cannot get 1080p 60fps on AAA games apart from simple games like Racing sims just proves consoles are still MILES behind PCs. They may get to 1080p 60fps after a few years of optimization but PC hardware will have dropped in price and that £600-£700 PC will then cost £300-£400 the same as the console. The difference is PC will still be better and free to play online, cheaper games, fully open, top range accessories, full 4K support, future ready.

So my point is consoles launching are already out of date the fact they can't even run 1080p 60fps day 1 IMO.
zebramocha  +   227d ago
Your post is totally wrong,dice already comment on bf4 and to say the ps4/xbone is out of date or not cutting edge is stupid as they support all the feature sets pc have it's just theoretical is not the same.
Autodidactdystopia  +   227d ago
one thing ive never noticed is consoles trending higher and higher resolutions and framerates over the course of their lifecycle.

If anything its been exactly the opposite.

first they start with the higher res games in the beginning of the console lifecycle, then slowly but surely they chop of line after line of resolution in exchange for shaders then they start to drop aa and in extreme cases they even drop the framerate.

I don't see them achieving the 1080p 60 standard. just because that leaves too much performance there to be used by halving the framerate and if they need to dropping back to 720 to get the job done.
gddr6 coming 2014 so...

But sony has the more interesting games for me. Plus indie love.
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DA_SHREDDER  +   227d ago
You graphics whores want more power?! The ps4 will be enough for real gamers for probably the next decade. Don't like it then just stick with your pcs.
Autodidactdystopia  +   227d ago
real gamers?

not that that actually exists, but wouldn't the person willing to do and spend MORE on their love of games be considered the "real" gamer in that context?
the worst  +   227d ago
pc has all that power and no great games.
PC = 1 good game ever 4 years
Playstation 3-4 great games a year
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Seafort  +   227d ago
Give us Call of Duty, The Witcher, Halo and all the previous PC exclusives back and we'd have more good games a year.

Actually you can keep call of duty. Same old shit each year anyway bit like most EA titles.

I guess you don't know many PC games do you? We have some great PC games each year but they just don't have the marketing of the "AAA" titles from the big publishers so none of the console fanboys know they exist.

And so we get comments like yours...
ElementX  +   227d ago
What's your definition of "good"? AAA, big budget, 10/10 scoring games? If you want the most games you can find them on PC. A majority of the indies coming to PS3 and PS4 started on PC. The PC has hundreds of developers both indie and larger. You can get most games on Steam, Greenmangaming, Gamersgate, Amazon, etc for 10-75% off soon after release. Even preorders can save you 20% at times. There are constantly new sales on the above mentioned sites. I wanted to buy Ittle Dew but it was $14. I waited a few weeks and picked it up for under $7 on sale. GMG frequently has 25% off preorder codes also. If you wait a while, you can get the big name multiplat games on PC really cheap also. I bought Tomb Raider, Far Cry 3, Bioshock Infinite, XCom, Mortal Kombat Komplete, and more for a fraction of the price, plus they look better on PC. I built my PC back in late Nov or early Dec and since then I've bought over 370 games and 336 DLC. I had a few from earlier but now I have 381 on Steam. Steam also has achievements (I love to get them).

http://steamcommunity.com/p...

Add me :)
zero_gamer  +   227d ago
If great means big budget AAA titles then lol. 10/10 reviews for AAA games are usually paid.
ginsunuva  +   227d ago
Yeah probably 5-6 years
Gardenia  +   227d ago
Can we please stop compare PC with consoles, they are both different platforms for gaming. I play on PC and consoles and i prefer games like GTA or RPG's on console
christrules0041  +   227d ago
The Titan that is out for PC's has 3.5 times the shaders that the PS4 has. All the devs have to do is use it and PC's could outshine the PS4 next year.
avengers1978  +   227d ago
High end pcs right now are probably more capable, then PS4 or XB1, but the cost of those machines are double a PS4 and XB1 combined, And what they will offer is, the exact same games, with slightly prettier graphics. So really not worth the price.
And hey the PS3 is no high end PC, TLOU, GoW3, uncharted, infamous, KILLZONE, are some of the best looking games anywhere... Consoles have different methods, than PCS, allowing both to have great looking games.
mushroomwig  +   227d ago
Who cares? I thought the point of gaming was to enjoy the games?
Lawking100  +   227d ago
You know how people are these days. Some people won't even play a game if the graphics look outdated. I'm not like that personally.
CRAIG667  +   227d ago
Nice graphics are cool but I still play super mario world once a year, obviously that is a snes era game and the graphics are dated however the art style is still amazing, and for me, Nintendo have never beaten it.
Lukas_Japonicus  +   227d ago
I agree, its pathetic in some cases.

Some of the amazing games that people miss out on just because they aren't running at MAX SETTINGS saddens me.
AKR  +   227d ago
Thank you...someone who gets it.

I don't know why console-gaming all of a sudden became out specs. I mean seriously....

"How much RAM does it have?"
"What type of CPU and GPU is it using?"
"How many cores does it contain?"
"What kind of processor does it use?"
"How fast are the GHz?"

....If you're going to lose sleep over questions like that - you should be a computer technician, or just simply a PC gamer - because aside from devs, they're the only ones who truly need to care about all that.
I rather play uncharted 4 with massive jaggies than sim city in 1080p no jaggies.
sorane  +   227d ago
I rather play DOTA2 with no jaggies than a Tomb Raider clone with massive jaggies. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
jeffgoldwin  +   227d ago
@shutup

Id also rather plya my fav game over a game I don't like. See the relevance there?
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-Mika-  +   227d ago
It has already been outshined. Im pretty sure there a core pc gamer out there that already has a pc that stronger than the ps4. Im sure the pc gamers will back me upon this.
Lawking100  +   227d ago
However, the difference is not significant is it? So you cannot really make a definite assumption that the PC is already outshining the PS4. Thanks for your input though :)
Computersaysno  +   227d ago
About 18 months ago when the 7970 and GTX680 were released.

Whether the difference is significant or not, its been outshined.

When you are talking about games like Battlefield 4 not even being native 1080p on consoles that aren't even out yet then its safe to say its been outshined already because existing PC hardware can surely do native 1080p.
thezeldadoth  +   227d ago
its not an assumption its a fact. the ps4/one are already behind PC's not from this year, from 2011-2012. You will not be able to do high multisamplng/ 16x antialiasing with SSAO while running at 60fps/1080p native resolution on ps4/one. It'll look good yes, just not as good as PC, quit arguing about this already known fact.

No reason really to get ps4/one unless you need the exclusives.
Gamer1982  +   227d ago
The fact is they got outshined by PC hardware thats over 2 years old my 7970 plays BF3 at 1080p at 120FPS. It will run BF4 no doubt at 90+ as the game is ran on the same engine and won't be that much of an upgrade in terms of graphics. The console version runs at 720p, they couldn't get its 1080p unless they dropped it to 30fps and then couldn't even keep that stable or I think they would have done that as 30FPS was fine all last generation.
Software_Lover  +   227d ago
Yeah, I'm one of them.

Now I'm not knocking the ps4 or the XBone in any way, shape, or form. When people were going goo goo ga ga over the initial vids of Killzone and Forza, and others I was left unimpressed. I thought they looked good, yes, but nothing that I haven't seen before over the past couple of years.

Battlefield 3 ultra, Crysis 3, even Crysis 2 to some extent, The witcher 2, Assassins Creed 3, Company of heroes, just to name a few, were up to par, and even surpassed the games shown thus far IMHO.

I'm sure these consoles will strut their stuff as early as next holiday season though. We will start to see what they can do.
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ATi_Elite  +   227d ago
PC Gamer here:

Both my PC's kill the PS4

1. Core i7 2700K / HD7970ghz CFX / SSD / water cooled
2. Core i7 2500K / GTX660ti SLI / SSD / water cooled

I'm on High Quality card settings with Ultra game settings on a 1600p monitor and a 3 screen 3D 1080p Eyefinity set-up and YES there is a HUGE difference between 1080p and 1600p.

also a lot of PC Gamers are using 1440p monitors which is better than 1080p and you can tell the difference.

The PS4 is using a HD7850 which is a Good GPU but No where near the sharpness, high detail, high frame rates, and crisp graphics of a Single HD7970ghz/Gtx660ti and I have TWO of each in CFX/sli configuration.

The Frostbite 3 is a TRUE NEXT GEN Game engine and both new consoles struggle with it which basically lets you know the limits of the machines.

sure many devs will come with nice looking games that will run fluid on XB1/PS4 but they will NOT have ALL the bells and whistles plus SCALE of Battlefield 4 which is why EA/DICE chose to show off their game on high end PC's and not consoles.

Battlefield 4 (and Arma 3) as of right now is the BENCHMARK of a game that really pushes Next GEN technology:

Great graphics, great post processing effects, LARGE SCALE, huge player count, great NPC A.I., Destruction, Physics, etc..

Waiting for Planetside 2 PS4 to do another comparison as I've seen PS2 running on a HD7850 and many features had to be turned OFF for 60 fps.

The PS4/XB1 are nice machines and will produce great gaming for years but against my hardware they are already out classed.

I can't imagine trying to play Total War Rome 2 or Arma 3 on a next Gen console without serious gimping.
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I_am_Batman  +   227d ago
I agree that you can't compare a PS4 or a XB1 with a high end PCs. But we're talking about a huge price difference here and a console (just like a mid-range or low end PC) is more price efficient than a high end PC. I think it's nice that the devs are getting more powerful hardware to work with but we shouldn't forget that graphics aren't everything.

You said that Battlefield 4 pushes next gen technology and I agree with that but as soon as BF4 is out a lot of people will probably stop playing BF3. What I'm trying to say is that people may be blinded by visuals and as soon as there is something better looking they will go on and forget about the game they praised before. I can't talk about BF's quality though I've never played it. I've played Crysis though. I thought it was a decent game with way to much emphasis put on the graphics. I want to play memorable games that I can remember as great games years later. I won't have that kind of memories for Crysis.
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SpitFireAce85  +   227d ago
How much does a PC like that run i would like to get something like that for my self..

PM me any links you have please thanks..:)
Gamer1982  +   227d ago
People always bring price into these arguements, initial price outlay yeah PC does seem more expensive but once you add up your live/ps+ sub over 10 years of console life plus the console premium on top of games (most games cost double on console compared to PC versions and I'm not even counting steam sales here I just got Batman Origins PC for £22) PC is looking a DAMN sight cheaper over time. It was the same with PS3 and Xbox 360 last gen, Xbox 1 seemed the cheapest at first glance but 10 years of XBL and the Xbox was actually double the price of the PS3.
Angeljuice  +   227d ago
@ATI_Elite

BORING!!
This is one of the many reasons I prefer gaming on consoles. When you get into a discussion with console gamers its generally about games, when you have a discussion with PC gamers its invariably about specs and numbers (at the moment there is a crossover admittedly as console gamers get to grips with the specs of the new machines).

Console gamer: "Have you played the new "______"? it's amazing, you should try it, its really fun to play"

PC Gamer: "I have a new "xyt336Rtc7gp9" it renders fragalumps 44% faster than a "BOB45278_dte", with twice the BumWidth.

Honestly, my Video Editing workstation is an absolute powerhouse, it costs over $15,000 (converted from sterling), but I'd rather play games on my PS3 (PS4 soon), because it's simply more fun.

Consoles unite people at one single standard, PC's divide people into a thousand different sub sections depending on their hardware specs. After a few years it gets so very tedious (speaking from experience).
I will ALWAYS prefer console gaming, no matter how powerful my PC is.
thezeldadoth  +   227d ago
^Oh really its about the games on here with console players? Its funny how bad people bash the wii u for not being technically up to par with the others. Its about specs on here until you get put against the PC then suddenly "its about the gammess" Which the exclusives this year for ps4/one suck ass. Witcher 3 and titanfall will be the best games on the new consoles and both will perform better on PC. Wii U has the best and most unique gaming exclusives for consoles.
AD705  +   227d ago
@angeljuice

So how about the ps3 and 360 fanboys on this website for the last 7 years that have been bashing each other nonstop over which console is better than the other? 95% of those arguments are about hardware and graphics. from ps3 and 360 fanboys saying "the ps3 is a super computer" This game will run at 1080p and 60 fps. Exclusives on our consoles look better than the other console. Our console runs multiplats better! The list goes on so please stop saying that only pc gamers care about graphics because this website alone proves that wrong because thats all console fanboys do is bash on one another over which console they play.
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14Feb-R  +   227d ago
It's not who have better specs. We all know pc is more powerful and will be a lot more in the future too.

It's about developers maxing the ps4 power . I for one think it will be 2-3 years for AAA games. Then games will depend on the vision like right now in ps3. We get better games in ps3 even though it's been maxed out long time ago . So the same will happen to the ps4. But since sony chose cheap hardware instead of future prove i think the ps5 will come after 5 years not 7-8 years like right now :P ..
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GribbleGrunger  +   227d ago
I don't give a flying frigin' damn.
Tontus  +   227d ago
Exactly, PC's massively out-power the PS3 but games like God of War: Ascension, The Last of Us & Beyond Two Souls are still beautiful even compared to the best looking games on PC. Even when PC's become significantly more powerful than the PS4 the games won't look much better, just imagine what Sony Santa Monica, Naughty Dog etc, can achieve on a console 10x more powerful than the PS3. The games are going to look CG like, a beastly PC will just allow higher resolutions & framerates, in terms of everything else they will look the same.
14Feb-R  +   227d ago
That's why my main console is playstation because sony always bring great games that we don't see in pc. Specs are important but they are not everything . Best example is Crysis 3 .
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The_Truth_24_7  +   227d ago
10 years minimum.
#fact #truth #ps4isbetterthanpc #ps4isking
jlo  +   227d ago
#theonlythingyoucouldafford
Angeljuice  +   227d ago
Read my post above!
Gamingsince75   227d ago | Spam
clmstr  +   227d ago
Poor trolling attempt. You can do better, kid!
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Pillsbury1  +   227d ago
Pc gamers are too excited to play killzone shadow fall and drive club, oh wait...
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clmstr  +   227d ago
No. Your statement is invalid. Try again!
CrimsonStar  +   227d ago
Nah they're excited to play titan fall , but I bet you r as well...oh wait…
Gamer1982  +   227d ago
Erm PC has the most exclusives of any platform FACT. Just thought I would remind people..
sorane  +   227d ago
Yeah cause PC doesn't have enough generic shooters and arcade racers.......
jlo  +   227d ago
"We believe that the PS4 could have a life-cycle of around 10 years until we really see the difference in terms of graphics and server capacity when comparing the console to a high-end PC"

Haha. What are they smoking? 10 years? It is already outshined by high end PC's. The real question is when will it be outshined by low end PC's (since that's what the PS4 essentially is)

Even for a website called 'playstationmotion', this is shockingly badly biased and stupid
DirtyPimp  +   227d ago
flamebait for pc and ps4 fans to get into it.
EXVirtual  +   227d ago
What do you mean when? It already happened. Some high end PCs run 4k. I really don't care anyway, as the PS4 is the strongest console of this gen. But even then, I just want to plug in a device and play. This is just pure flamebait.
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JBSleek  +   227d ago
That's a trick question. High end PC's are already capable of outshining consoles.

Does it matter? No
Lukas_Japonicus  +   227d ago
Outshine it how exactly? Graphically? Yeah sure.

But from a games perspective and a 1st party devs perspective then consoles are the kings.

Man, its always about visuals with PC gamers. ALWAYS.
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Software_Lover  +   227d ago
What?????????

It's always about visuals to the pc gamers........ tell that to the console fanboys who argue back and forth about who has the most grass. Who has the blurry textures.

My version is brighter than your version.

At the 50 minute mark when you look to the right in the distance there is a shed on my version that isn't on yours because your console couldn't handle the extra shed.

The cutscene at part 3 on your console the guy has 2 teeth, on ours he has 3.

On my console the game runs at 29fps on yours it runs at 27. Take that Biyotch!!!!!!!!
I_am_Batman  +   227d ago
When a new console generation launches a lot of people tend to do these comparisons to justify their purchases. While I think it can be quite interessting to compare multiplatform games at the beginning of the life cycle it is beyond ridiculous how poeple are finding differences when there are none.

On the other hand a lot of PC gamers I've seen on platforms like this love to do the same thing. Bragging about their specs and pointing out differences to justify their investment in a high end PC.

In the end I don't really care. I like great visuals and I'm glad that we're moving foreward with our technologies but when I can have more fun with an indie game than I have had with a great looking AAA game I always feel reminded that graphics aren't as important as many people pretend.
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Stsonic  +   227d ago
No it's not always about visuals it's more importantly about frame rates.

Why do you always feel the need to defend the consoles when they are compared against power PC's? I am not blowing the PC fanboy trumpet I own consoles and a gaming PC. It does not take a rocket scientist to see that a top of the line gaming PC will destroy the ps4 and xbox one.

We had this discussion the other day and then I see you the next day spouting stuff about how AMAZING the last of us graphics are compared to xbox 360 exclusives...
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Lukas_Japonicus  +   227d ago
I didn't JUST talk about visuals, i also listed many other things that PS3 exclusives do better in my opinion, or did you forget to mention those parts to make your argument seem more valid?

But the only, SOLE thing i ever hear from PC gamers is graphics.

"It does not take a rocket scientist to see that a top of the line gaming PC will destroy the ps4 and xbox one."

See. You just did it yourself. DESTROY them huh? In terms of what exactly? It sure as hell isn't games or developers i can tell you that.
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H0RSE  +   227d ago
@Lukas_Japonicus

"But the only, SOLE thing i ever hear from PC gamers is graphics."

- Then you haven't talked to many PC gamers, or at least serious ones. Someone who plays games on a PC and a "PC gamer," aren't necessarily the same thing... Any knowledgeable PC gamer, will tell you framerates are more important than graphics, this is why benchmarks always compare framerates, because it is a key factor in determining the performance capabilities of the card.

Now, one of the reasons I can think of as to why all these "PC gamers" you talked to mention graphics, is because it was likely in relation/comparison to consoles, and graphics have more precedence in that realm than framerate does, since most console games are locked at either 30 or 60fps. Graphics are THE hot topic for comparing consoles, so bringing them up likely would have "hit home" better than framerates.
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"See. You just did it yourself. DESTROY them huh? In terms of what exactly? It sure as hell isn't games or developers i can tell you that."

- As far as PC developers go, I'll take Valve vs any console developer you can think of.

In terms of PC's destroying consoles, he's talking in terms of hardware and system specs. You know, numbers? The same thing people keep using to base how PS4 will "dominate" X1... of course numbers don't mean much if the hardware isn't being properly used/optimized, but what do they care, the numbers are higher = automatically better, right?...

The point is this: Without getting into optimization and "developer competence" PC's have FAR superior hardware than even the unreleased next-gen consoles. You can buy a video card for the price of 2 xbox one's - do you really think the next-gen systems stand a chance against something like that? I understand that you like console gaming, but high end PC hardware does destroy console hardware.
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Are_The_MaDNess  +   227d ago
if we care so much about Graphics so much? why do we play Dota 2, CSGO, CSS, Starcraft 2 and other games?
Stsonic  +   227d ago
How much easier do I need to explain this to you.

A £2000 PC is going to play games in every aspect better than a $400 console. It is logic, if you don't understand more money get's you better performance then you need to wake up.

in your next reply you will once again mention how Sony have amazingly brilliant 1st party games to get your point across once again. your argument is mute you can't compare games that aren't on both systems.
Lukas_Japonicus  +   227d ago
Once again you are ONLY speaking from a graphical perspective. Also, i AGREE.

I agree, every single visual aspect (except art direction) will be better on a PC, every single time. But that's not just what makes up a videogame, what about dialogue, and the writing of the story, the depth of the characters, the world the game is set in, the attention detail THOSE are the things im talking about, each of which have little to do with graphics and all to do with the quality of the developers which IN MY OPINION are the best on PS3.

Sigh. Its like trying to explain to a fish the concept of walking on land.

In your next reply you will once again talk about visuals.

Also..."A £2000 PC is going to play games in every aspect better than a $400 console." As i stated above there aspects to a game that no amount of money or power can change, aspects that are more to do with the developers than the hardware. Why can't you understand this? Prime examples: Crytek vs Quantic Dream....DICE vs Naughty Dog.
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iamgoatman  +   227d ago
"Man, its always about visuals with PC gamers. ALWAYS."

That's funny as for the last 6 months, half the bloody comments on this site have been along the lines of "PS4 50% more powerful than Xbone!" or constant dick waving from both sides about who's games look better when they haven't even been released yet.
AD705  +   227d ago
I know right? Console fanboys always pull the whole "pc gamers care only for graphics" card yet all the console fanboys did this generation was brag about how powerful and amazing their 360's and ps3's were and most of the time all the hype and PR bullshit was nothing but lies!
Seafort  +   227d ago
My favourite game over the last few years has been Terraria.

Now please tell me again it's all about the graphics so I can laugh at you :)
ABeastNamedTariq  +   227d ago
Don't...don't go into that territory. We know the answer, and I frankly don't care. I don't have the monies for a PC. Anyway, no.. Just...no.

(I'm referring to graphics.)
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Sevir  +   227d ago
Seriously who cares, High End PCs outshines bothe the PS3 and Xbox 360 at their respective launches and they still had amazing games 8 years later!

In short no one outside the PC community really gives a flying F***... High end PCs outshine both the Xbox One and PS4 as it is already on raw power, and yet, people all over the world are more excited for Next Gen consoles...

Now Bring on Nov 15, 22, and 29... Next Gen Starts on that faithful day for everyone...

For Me PS4 exclusively on the 15th
Lukas_Japonicus  +   227d ago
"High End PCs outshines bothe the PS3 and Xbox 360 at their respective launches and they still had amazing games 8 years later! "

Couldn't agree more. Case in point: The Last Of Us and Beyond 2 Souls.
Seafort  +   227d ago
Next Gen just means the next generation of consoles, nothing to do with graphics or how good a game is.

And I can't wait for Beyond Two Souls even though I'm a PC gamer with a PS3 as 2nd gaming platform :P
donjunedolo  +   227d ago
Most of the video that has been shown of battlefield 4 is from the pc version. When the ps4 version was shown it looked dumb down! How soon we forget!
JsonHenry  +   227d ago
Technically speaking the PS4 will be "outshined" before it even launches. (just look at BF4 on PC vs PS4 for proof)

But no one buys a console to "outshine" a gaming PC. They buy it to play games, and ease of use, and some even claim it is cheaper.
Software_Lover  +   227d ago
I agree.

I buy the consoles because of the experience. I'm loving what I see with the interface of the XBone and Kinect. You really cant get that, as a whole, on the pc side.

Yes you have your skype, you have your fantasy football, you have your internet, you even have your games on the pc side but the overall experience leaves something to the imagination. The console experience is unmatched there.
Belking  +   227d ago
They already do outshine it. Mine does.
Deividas  +   227d ago
Likewise. But im still getting a ps4. Most people dont realize that most pc gamers do actually own consoles, mostly for exclusives. While console gamers, dont usually have a high end pc. So pc gamers actually get the best of both worlds.
Angeljuice  +   227d ago
I'm a console gamer and I guarantee that my PC is many times more powerful than yours.
JsonHenry  +   227d ago
Mine blows both consoles out of the water already but I pre-ordered my PS4 the very minute it was available on amazon and I pre-ordered my Xbox1 after they said Kinect won't be mandatory.

I like having all options available. And lets be honest. Most of my family and friends are too scared to try and build a gaming PC so if I want to play them I have to own a console.
silvacrest  +   227d ago
there are highend PCs that already outshine the PS4 but the percentage of people that will have them vs a PS4 is heavily on the side of the PS4

those PCs are powerful and can do more but are also only really for enthusiast and cost to much

the PS4 is far cheaper and far more mainstream for the average gamer to just pickup, setup and play

for me, its always been about the games, and sony simply make the games i want, plus you also have annoying things like no GTA5 release date for the PC...WTF would i do if i only had a gaming PC?
DoctorJones  +   227d ago
That's the same if you only owned a console though. I love all kinds of different games, and one of the genres I'm really interested in since I played Elite on my Spectrum 48k is space sims. There are NO games like Elite on console, absolutely none.

But there is on pc, the X series and others. This is a game I'm looking forward to that if I only owned a console I wouldn't be able to play -

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

That's the latest sequel, the series has only been available on pc for years. There are many other games that have only ever released on pc, so while I can appreciate that I would lose out if I only had a pc it works both ways.

That's the one thing that bugs me with arguments like this, console gamers only see it one way - What about the console exclusives? Yeah good point, but what about the games you can't get on console?

I think, as a gamer, you'd be missing out if you didn't have both really. I know I would.
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silvacrest  +   227d ago
i only mentioned GTA 5 because....its GTA5, one of if not the biggest games in terms of popularity

your point about other genres being PC only are fair enough but some are very niche thus, has a small fan base

and for the record im not a console only gamer, but if for some reason i could only have my gaming PC or PS3 i would go with the PS3, this is very much personal preference of course

but even if i had to recommend either to your average joe again, it would be the PS3, PS+, ease of use, minimal setup, practically zero troubleshooting etc, in terms of just playing games its a good choice
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DoctorJones  +   227d ago
'but even if i had to recommend either to your average joe again, it would be the PS3, PS+, ease of use, minimal setup, practically zero troubleshooting etc, in terms of just playing games its a good choice '

Great.

Um...

See you later mate!

*choose hand sign.
X1PS4WiiU  +   227d ago
People are buying a ps4 because it clearly outshines the ps3.
MASTER_RAIDEN  +   227d ago
love the console game but im afraid i have to admit that high end PC already outshines ps4 capabilities. a better question is: when will a $399 desktop outshine ps4.
medman  +   227d ago
Does it really matter? The Last of Us is by far the best title I've played this year. Sony's first party studios are the best in the industry. You can have your "bleeding edge" graphics, I want great game design and interesting new game properties thank you.
Pancit_Canton  +   227d ago
Outshine on

Hardware: YES
Software: NO
Price point: NO
Community: NO
Do I really gives a _______: NO
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Are_The_MaDNess  +   227d ago
actually the Community is better on PC (Steam) people talk more and get in contact more. we trade we chat, we help eachother.
are you saying the Community is better? in what way? that everyone has a mic? everyone with a PC does aswell.

there is alot of things that are better with the PC community.
people that are passionate about their Hardcore games like Dota 2, CSGO & Starcraft.
kingduqc  +   227d ago
Software is still miles ahead of the ps4. It can do much much more and in a better way for about everything.

Music
Movies
Recording gameplay
Editing said video
Voice chat
Private message
Web browsing
Actual work
Save game
Modding
Customization

All this is much much much better on pc.

Also, community is better. There is just no way to communicate well on consoles vs what pc offer and there is no way to ccreate a hub for your friends to go in and chat when they want to without being a hassle. Skype or razzer comms or about 15 other services do it better then ps4. + Server website that you can go in and check stats of people that play daily with you.

You clearly are clueless about the pc experience, shut up already.
DEATHSTROKE-cro-  +   227d ago
I can watch movies on PS3/PS4. transfer movies with usb or watch it on Netflix. and if you didn't know, ps3 it device with most people using Netflix. I can save a game from N64/PS1 days. I can listen to music with many services or transfer music with usb.I can reocrd gameplay with a device on ps3 or with ps4 without buying any device. I have private message on ps3. I have chat built in the main menu so I can add friends and text chat with them while playing Battlefield. I have video chat with like 10 people and it works perfect on ps3. I have browser on ps3/ps4 and I can use a mouse. I don't need to edit recorded gameplay on PS4 because I'm not like PC master race that needs to put their name in the beginning of the video every damn time. I will use recording on ps4 to show funny Battlefield kills or great Watch Dogs moments. Modding and Customization. LOL, I would rather buy a console and be at peace for 7-10 years than buy a new pc part every year or two. yes, mods a so great, playing GTA4 as a giraffe is so much better than Uncharted or Last Of Us. PS3 community built like 10 million LittleBigPlanet levels. that's a pretty big number. you can make a "friends chat hub" on a console but you didn't know that. so how about YOU stop talking because you don't know what consoles can do.
WeaseL  +   227d ago
The question should be,
How long can the PS4 go before high-end PC computers cost $399?
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JsonHenry  +   227d ago
A high end PC isn't needed to outshine a 1.6ghz CPU, 8gigs of RAM, or a mid range mobile GPU. That is the inherent problem with this theory. The Xbox and PS4 are much closer to a mid-range gaming LAPTOP given the specs.

- http://www.notebookcheck.ne...
darthkai  +   227d ago
Damn you, I was just about to make that point when I saw your comment. Well played sir, well played.

The other question is, when will developers start pushing graphics more on PC?
Many developers will be happy to take the game they have on consoles and put it on PC with higher resolution and better anti-aliasing and call it a day.

You can go out today and buy a PC with 2 GTX 780s that will absolutely blow the PS4 out of the water. The problem is nobody is making games to take advantage of such a powerful system because the market is too small. At some point a developer will do what Crytek did with Crysis 1 and then the transition to better PC graphics will start.

Personally I think developers will spend a lot more time trying to squeeze performance out of PS4 and X1 before they start looking at monster PCs.
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iistuii  +   227d ago
Your right. But playing the likes of Battlefield 3 Far Cry 3 even Splinter Cell maxed out with plenty of AA completely justifies me keeping my PC updated. Those games on console look so jaggie, blurry, screen tearing, awful in comparison. I loved TLOU, yet every corner i just kept thinking how much better it would be at a higher resolution with better textures & AA.
Angeljuice  +   227d ago
@iistuii

That is exactly why I don't like playing on PC. Every time you do you're thinking "would this look better with x and y turned on and a and b toned down a bit". It distracts you from the game and loses the sense of immersion.
Kayant  +   227d ago
Why is this a question? They already have and will continue to because consoles are static and non-upgradeable by the user. Consoles are about price/performance ratio for a complete package (OS, peripherals), exclusives, ease of use/peace of mind about not worry about the hardware for some people.
scott182  +   227d ago
If they can make The Last of Us look that good on the PS3 then I'm sure certain devs can do pretty amazing things with the PS4 for a long time....
Are_The_MaDNess  +   227d ago
would still say that Metro 2033 looks way better than the Last of Us tho. and thats a pretty old game.
tho i think we will see alot of games that push the hardware.
its going to be like last gen, games looks 5 times better after a few years......hopefully (devs already know the x86 platform)
scott182  +   227d ago
Metro 2033 was released in may 2013, not much older than The Last of Us, and I don't think it looks better... I wasn't trying to compare it to other games though, I was talking about the PS3 being old and having a very outdated GPU. And being able to pull of an amazing looking game like that is just incredible on the system...
Are_The_MaDNess  +   227d ago
2010 actually and and it does look better when you think about 4k+ textures and physx simulation and so on.

but i agree, games looks better now. lets look at say Resistance Fall of Man, today it looks like crap comparing to say inFamous 2
iistuii  +   227d ago
Funny people saying they don't give a damn about graphics when facing up to the PC, but they'll argue the toss over a small difference on each console as if their life depends on it.Console gaming is great, but it wont ever be a match graphics wise to the PC
Vip3r  +   227d ago
"how long will it be until PC can hold more than 64 players on Battlefield or design prettier looking games?"

We've had 64+ servers in games for the past 10-15 years at least.

It all depends on how the game is designed. No point having 128 or 256 players if it's a complete spawn camp fest.
babis1974  +   227d ago
it's all about money for the companies...
thebudgetgamer  +   227d ago
Meh.
yellowgerbil  +   227d ago
does it matter?
http://www.metacritic.com/b...
look at all those console games
Are_The_MaDNess  +   227d ago
most of those games can be played on a PC one way or another.
Ulf  +   227d ago
I advise everyone who thinks the PC will continue to evolve, as it has over the past 10 years, at the same rate over the next 10 years, to pay attention to the tech news.

Moore's Law is dead folks. PCs will cease progression forward, for *financial reasons* by the time 2020 rolls around, according to Intel's former chief architect:

http://www.extremetech.com/...

Can't have a PC 5-10x as powerful as a console if it costs $100000 to build, folks. No one will mass produce such a thing. It's the fab machines -- they cost too much at small scales, making the investment on smaller/better architecture take WAY too long to profit on.
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DoctorJones  +   227d ago
Progress will be made to ensure it does, progress. Moore's law will become obsolete and a new law will be made. Time doesn't stand still, and as history has shown us, we will find a way around it.

Do you really believe we won't have far, far more powerful computers in a hundred years time because of Moore's law?
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Pandamobile  +   227d ago
We may not be able to cram as many transistors into a new chip year after year, but that doesn't slow down progress like you're saying it will. Soon enough we'll have a paradigm shift and everything will start surging forwards again at breakneck speed.
aliengmr  +   227d ago
Predictions like these only last until another way is found.

Plus, its not like consoles wouldn't be effected either. Consoles don't advance hardware development at all.
Ulf  +   227d ago
Let me just rephrase the above responses to my post, for clarity and brevity:

Physics is a bottomless treasure chest,and humans are leprechauns that can reach in and get lucky every couple years.

Let me guess... you guys were BORN during the PC era.
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Feralkitsune  +   227d ago
Exactly, most of the tech we are so used to was still considered Science Fiction a decade ago.
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