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How long can the PS4 go before high-end PC computers outshine it?

Many would say High-end PC computers are already miles better than a PS4, but considering lots of developers create their games to be specially optimized for consoles, how long will it be until PC can hold more than 64 players on Battlefield or design prettier looking games?

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kneon1114d ago

It wouldn't surprise me if we see updated consoles every 3-4 years from now on. With the move to customized versions of standard hardware the development costs of the consoles should be much much lower. No more designing new chips and architectures from scratch.

So when future higher performance AMD CPU and GPU cores can be had for the same or lower price, and with similar or lower TDP they can release a new box that is fully backwards compatible yet much more powerful.

For developers this starts to look more like the PC world, except it's still vastly simpler as they are only dealing with 2 different configurations instead of thousands. Even after 20 years of this they would still only have a handful of configurations to worry about.

black0o1114d ago

some games take at less 2-4 years in development ... I think we are fine for the next 5 years

XB1_PS41114d ago (Edited 1114d ago )

Most every AAA game is developed for consoles, or with consoles in mind. Which means the games that are on PC stem as a marginal increase from the console version. This leads to pc hardware being overkill because nothing is graphically demanding enough to use all of the power. Whenever a new console is introduced, the PC gets better looking games. The pc will always have more power. Most of its more beautiful games rely on the console market though.

The graphics may look the same for a while, but high end pcs will be capable of 1080p 120fps while the consoles struggle for 60.

nix1114d ago

i think really high end PC can already outsmart PS4. the reason i'm with PS is because of the games.

ThanatosDMC1114d ago

Not really a lot of devs that truly optimize a PC game for a specific graphics card though. Usually end up being modders who make the game look damn good. Just check Crysis 1 realism mod.

blackmagic1114d ago (Edited 1114d ago )

Well, the PS4 has a weak CPU and a 1.84 TFLOP GPU.

Back in 2008, an HD 4870 already rocked 2.40 TFLOPS of computing power.

Today, a single HD 7990 cranks out 8.20 TFLOPS of computing power before we even talk about multi-carded setups and overclocking. That's 445% more computing power just for a single card.

On September 5th AMD announced their first of the 8xxx series of cards with more to come in the coming months.

The 7950, available for close to two years now, can be had for as little as $175 which buys 3.0 TFLOPS of computing power.
http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

The real question is how far behind is the PS4.

The_Con-Sept1114d ago

I gave up on pc gaming for the fifth time now. This time with PS4 I am never going back to the stupid noob pc groupies who hang on to 500 dollar mice and keys, and never actually purchase their games.

Army_of_Darkness1114d ago

outshine in terms of good games!?!?, ummm.. probably Never.

ssj271114d ago

I like the idea behind it but I will love a 10 times nore powerful console the PS5 in 5 years from now!
That sounds much attractive and smart!

starchild1114d ago

Considering that Battlefield 4, Call of Duty Ghosts, Assassin's Creed 4 and Watch_Dogs are all confirmed to have graphical advantages on PC over the console versions, I would say that the PC is already ahead out of the gate.

http://nvidianews.nvidia.co...
http://www.geforce.com/what...

gaffyh1114d ago

Hardware-wise, they already are.

Software-wise, they will for third party games in a few years. But first party is the main thing for Sony, and there'll never be anything anywhere near as good as stuff that Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch and Sony Santa Monica puts out.

infamous-butcher1114d ago

@Blackmagic

"Today, a single HD 7990 cranks out 8.20 TFLOPS of computing power before we even talk about multi-carded setups and overclocking. That's 445% more computing power just for a single card."

The 7990 is a dual gpu card. Its two 7970s on the one pcb rather than two separate cards. Also the HD8000 series is already out and is only available as oem cards.
http://www.amd.com/us/produ...
The HD9000 series might come out in October.
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/r...
but other than those misinformed statements what you say is true.

the ps4 gpu is suspected to be a hd7800 series card and is already out performed by many cards
the 7870 GHZ ed
7870 XT
7950
7950 GHZ ed
7970
7970 GHZ ed
and the 7990.
Not to mention all the Nvidia cards that slot in between those cards. The gtx 660, 660 ti, 670, 680, 690, 760, 770, 780 and the titan.
BTW cant wait to get my PS4.

blackmagic1114d ago (Edited 1114d ago )

@infamous-butcher
I am aware that the 7990 is dGPU but there are quadfire setups out there (two 7990's in crossfire)
http://www.kitguru.net/comp...

You're right on the 8xxx, I typo'd that, I meant to write 9xxx and my comment was based on a forum thread I was reading over at Tom's Hardware which I misread so overall, that whole sentence is bs! lol

You're keeping me honest! :)

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slimeybrainboy1114d ago

So what? I really don't understand this high end PC fascination.

You can always create a higher spec PC, but so what? It's just the same as the PC market, you could buy a tablet or a mac, or you could buy each component and make a custom PC that's more powerful but more expensive and more effort. It's the same for every thing else, food, cars, furniture. Comparing consumer products to custom builds is so dumb.

STK0261114d ago

A small correction, building a PC more powerful than a mac is also likely going to cost less than buying a mac.

As for the "high end PC fascination", people like to play on PC for various reasons, for one, some games are simply a better fit on PC (games like StarCraft, League of Legends, DOTA2, World of WarCraft and the Total War series for example). Multiplatform games also look better on PC, and usually run better as well. While most games this generation were at around 720p with a 30FPS cap, the same games could run at 1080p+ with no framerate cap and better shadows, textures and AA on high end PCs.

As for comparing custom builds to consumer products, you can buy pre-built PCs, so I'm not sure I understand your point.

Autodidactdystopia1114d ago

yeah just don't buy garbage.

dell, Compaq, hp, acer, asus, lol all that trash is actually more expensive than custom building unless you buy the bargain bin walmart e-machine, in which case you deserve to suffer for being so dumb as to willfully purchase an e-machine.

for you a car is a get you from point a to point b kinda thing, for me its all about the experience, especially knowing you can take hills just as well as you can take slopes.

starchild1114d ago

If you are happy gaming on a console, that's fine. But not everybody is satisfied with that level of quality.

I love games a lot and I want them to look and perform as best as possible. I don't like the jaggies, screen tearing, pop-in and slow down in most console games.

On PC you can minimize most of those graphical problems and also simply enjoy better graphics in general.

It's no different than movie lovers who buy high quality displays, Blu-ray players and audio systems in order to enjoy their movies with higher image quality and audio fidelity.

Some people are satisfied watching their movies on a 30" tube tv, but some people have higher standards and want something better than that.

Lisica1114d ago

It costs less to build a PC.

We all use PCs.
Why would I need a PC and a console, if I can do it all on the PC?

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HammadTheBeast1114d ago

High end PC's are already outshining it, that's not the point of a console.

FamilyGuy1114d ago

I prefer a reversal of this question, How long will it be before we see a game engine that's tailor-made for the PS4 taking advantage of its hardware to a degree that really places it on par with a high-end gaming PC?

High-end PCs already surpass it in the current state but a brand new engine like the one Quantic Dream is working on would allow the PS4 to be formidable for a few years to come.

jeffgoldwin1114d ago

Wow that's really some dillusional thinking right there. On you on drugs by chance?

Anyways people buy consoles for exclusives. Ps4/One is already 2 years behind a high end pc before they even release.

tigertron1114d ago (Edited 1114d ago )

@ jeffgoldwin

Do you think a 2005 PC could handle the likes of The Last Of Us?

Autodidactdystopia1114d ago

Ill answer for jeff.

Yes.

at least mine could :) but most no, no billions of dollars being pumped into my hardware being stretched to its limits.

a better question would be, do you think a pc from 2005 with billions of dollars of R&D over the course of its lifetime couldn't?

2 diff systems and ideologies that's all :D

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addictgamer1114d ago (Edited 1114d ago )

The Radeon 1950 XTX @ 375 GFLOPS launched a month before the PS3 @ 230 GFLOPS so yes, a PC from 2006 would likely run it better (the PS3 didn't exist in 2005, it launched Nov 2006).

Actually, now that I think about it, the geforce 7900 GX2 was 288 GFLOPS and it was available in March of 2006.

FamilyGuy1114d ago

Jeff, have you seen any games on PC that look as good as The Dark Sorcerers tech demo prior to feb 2013?

On that 2005 note, the PS3 wasn't developed in 2006, it was released in 2006. It took years of R&D for that to happen.

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ABizzel11114d ago

They already outshine the PS4 in everything except RAM, the difference is with the PS4 you can get a great mid-range gaming experience for $400, and with PC it's $600 - $800 for that same mid-range gaming experience.

But High End PC's are already ahead of the PS4 and XB1. PS4 and XB1 are high end laptops.

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ABizzel11114d ago (Edited 1114d ago )

@Gamingsince75

You don't have to factor in the price of online with the PS4 unless you want to, and another bonus is when you pay for PS+ to play online you'll also get at least 12 free games per year (more likely 24+), so paying for online on the PS4 isn't as hard of a bullet to bite, vs another console.

But yeah I wrote that a while back. In the long term a gaming PC is the better choice if you can get over that initial "high price".

The_Infected1114d ago

PC can outshine graphics but will never outshine PS4 exclusives.

"Naughty Dog" Talent > graphics "Crytek"

iamgoatman1114d ago

Yeah, because all PC has is Crytek...

Seafort1114d ago

Crytek hasn't given shit about PC gamers for the last 2 years since they developed Crysis 2 for consoles.
I'd rather have indie devs and CD Project RED than Crytek and their EA masters.

The reason most publishers hate the PC is because it can't be controlled like the consoles can.

There's mods, config changes than affect graphics, sound and gameplay and many other things they have no control over.

zero_gamer1114d ago

I never play Crytek games on my PC and I have over 300 games in my Steam library.

You know nothing about NFL, yet you say nothing can outshine your High School football team.

starchild1114d ago (Edited 1114d ago )

Naughty Dog make great games and they are a big part of the reason I own a PS3 and will own a PS4, but get real, their games are not the only good games around. I have played dozens of games this generation that I have enjoyed just as much.

Oh, and the Crysis games are good games. Maybe not amazing games, but good games nonetheless. Crysis has like a 91 on metacritic, while Crysis 2 has an 86 and Crysis 3 has like a 77 I believe. Those scores represent good games. They aren't the crappy games people like you make them out to be.

@Seafort

Your comment couldn't be further off base. If Crytek didn't care about the PC gaming market why would they add the DirectX11 features and high res texture pack to Crysis 2 on PC? Why would Crysis 3 be such an advanced game on PC, to the point that it is far above the console versions and manages to look better than next gen games?

And publishers don't hate the PC. They make a huge amount of money off the PC. Nearly every game gets released for the PC nowadays. And along with the PC exclusives, the PC actually gets more games than any other platform.

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Gamer19821114d ago

PCs already beat it even with games being optimized for PS4. They have admitted already Battlefield will be locked at 720p as they cant even do 1080p 60fps. A Mid range PC can handle it (around £600-£700) Based on specs of the game (very similar to BF3) They can trade off the 720P and get 1080p but then they would have to drop the frames to 30FPS. The fact is they still cannot get 1080p 60fps on AAA games apart from simple games like Racing sims just proves consoles are still MILES behind PCs. They may get to 1080p 60fps after a few years of optimization but PC hardware will have dropped in price and that £600-£700 PC will then cost £300-£400 the same as the console. The difference is PC will still be better and free to play online, cheaper games, fully open, top range accessories, full 4K support, future ready.

So my point is consoles launching are already out of date the fact they can't even run 1080p 60fps day 1 IMO.

zebramocha1114d ago

Your post is totally wrong,dice already comment on bf4 and to say the ps4/xbone is out of date or not cutting edge is stupid as they support all the feature sets pc have it's just theoretical is not the same.

Autodidactdystopia1114d ago

one thing ive never noticed is consoles trending higher and higher resolutions and framerates over the course of their lifecycle.

If anything its been exactly the opposite.

first they start with the higher res games in the beginning of the console lifecycle, then slowly but surely they chop of line after line of resolution in exchange for shaders then they start to drop aa and in extreme cases they even drop the framerate.

I don't see them achieving the 1080p 60 standard. just because that leaves too much performance there to be used by halving the framerate and if they need to dropping back to 720 to get the job done.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney1114d ago (Edited 1114d ago )

gddr6 coming 2014 so...

But sony has the more interesting games for me. Plus indie love.

DA_SHREDDER1114d ago

You graphics whores want more power?! The ps4 will be enough for real gamers for probably the next decade. Don't like it then just stick with your pcs.

Autodidactdystopia1114d ago

real gamers?

not that that actually exists, but wouldn't the person willing to do and spend MORE on their love of games be considered the "real" gamer in that context?

the worst1114d ago (Edited 1114d ago )

pc has all that power and no great games.
PC = 1 good game ever 4 years
Playstation 3-4 great games a year

Seafort1114d ago

Give us Call of Duty, The Witcher, Halo and all the previous PC exclusives back and we'd have more good games a year.

Actually you can keep call of duty. Same old shit each year anyway bit like most EA titles.

I guess you don't know many PC games do you? We have some great PC games each year but they just don't have the marketing of the "AAA" titles from the big publishers so none of the console fanboys know they exist.

And so we get comments like yours...

ElementX1114d ago

What's your definition of "good"? AAA, big budget, 10/10 scoring games? If you want the most games you can find them on PC. A majority of the indies coming to PS3 and PS4 started on PC. The PC has hundreds of developers both indie and larger. You can get most games on Steam, Greenmangaming, Gamersgate, Amazon, etc for 10-75% off soon after release. Even preorders can save you 20% at times. There are constantly new sales on the above mentioned sites. I wanted to buy Ittle Dew but it was $14. I waited a few weeks and picked it up for under $7 on sale. GMG frequently has 25% off preorder codes also. If you wait a while, you can get the big name multiplat games on PC really cheap also. I bought Tomb Raider, Far Cry 3, Bioshock Infinite, XCom, Mortal Kombat Komplete, and more for a fraction of the price, plus they look better on PC. I built my PC back in late Nov or early Dec and since then I've bought over 370 games and 336 DLC. I had a few from earlier but now I have 381 on Steam. Steam also has achievements (I love to get them).

http://steamcommunity.com/p...

Add me :)

zero_gamer1114d ago

If great means big budget AAA titles then lol. 10/10 reviews for AAA games are usually paid.

ginsunuva1114d ago

Yeah probably 5-6 years

Gardenia1114d ago

Can we please stop compare PC with consoles, they are both different platforms for gaming. I play on PC and consoles and i prefer games like GTA or RPG's on console

christrules00411114d ago

The Titan that is out for PC's has 3.5 times the shaders that the PS4 has. All the devs have to do is use it and PC's could outshine the PS4 next year.

avengers19781114d ago

High end pcs right now are probably more capable, then PS4 or XB1, but the cost of those machines are double a PS4 and XB1 combined, And what they will offer is, the exact same games, with slightly prettier graphics. So really not worth the price.
And hey the PS3 is no high end PC, TLOU, GoW3, uncharted, infamous, KILLZONE, are some of the best looking games anywhere... Consoles have different methods, than PCS, allowing both to have great looking games.

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mushroomwig1114d ago

Who cares? I thought the point of gaming was to enjoy the games?

Lawking1001114d ago

You know how people are these days. Some people won't even play a game if the graphics look outdated. I'm not like that personally.

CRAIG6671114d ago

Nice graphics are cool but I still play super mario world once a year, obviously that is a snes era game and the graphics are dated however the art style is still amazing, and for me, Nintendo have never beaten it.

GarrusVakarian1114d ago

I agree, its pathetic in some cases.

Some of the amazing games that people miss out on just because they aren't running at MAX SETTINGS saddens me.

AKR1114d ago

Thank you...someone who gets it.

I don't know why console-gaming all of a sudden became out specs. I mean seriously....

"How much RAM does it have?"
"What type of CPU and GPU is it using?"
"How many cores does it contain?"
"What kind of processor does it use?"
"How fast are the GHz?"

....If you're going to lose sleep over questions like that - you should be a computer technician, or just simply a PC gamer - because aside from devs, they're the only ones who truly need to care about all that.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney1114d ago

I rather play uncharted 4 with massive jaggies than sim city in 1080p no jaggies.

sorane1114d ago

I rather play DOTA2 with no jaggies than a Tomb Raider clone with massive jaggies. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

jeffgoldwin1114d ago (Edited 1114d ago )

@shutup

Id also rather plya my fav game over a game I don't like. See the relevance there?

-Mika-1114d ago

It has already been outshined. Im pretty sure there a core pc gamer out there that already has a pc that stronger than the ps4. Im sure the pc gamers will back me upon this.

Lawking1001114d ago

However, the difference is not significant is it? So you cannot really make a definite assumption that the PC is already outshining the PS4. Thanks for your input though :)

Computersaysno1114d ago

About 18 months ago when the 7970 and GTX680 were released.

Whether the difference is significant or not, its been outshined.

When you are talking about games like Battlefield 4 not even being native 1080p on consoles that aren't even out yet then its safe to say its been outshined already because existing PC hardware can surely do native 1080p.

thezeldadoth1114d ago

its not an assumption its a fact. the ps4/one are already behind PC's not from this year, from 2011-2012. You will not be able to do high multisamplng/ 16x antialiasing with SSAO while running at 60fps/1080p native resolution on ps4/one. It'll look good yes, just not as good as PC, quit arguing about this already known fact.

No reason really to get ps4/one unless you need the exclusives.

Gamer19821114d ago

The fact is they got outshined by PC hardware thats over 2 years old my 7970 plays BF3 at 1080p at 120FPS. It will run BF4 no doubt at 90+ as the game is ran on the same engine and won't be that much of an upgrade in terms of graphics. The console version runs at 720p, they couldn't get its 1080p unless they dropped it to 30fps and then couldn't even keep that stable or I think they would have done that as 30FPS was fine all last generation.

Software_Lover1114d ago (Edited 1114d ago )

Yeah, I'm one of them.

Now I'm not knocking the ps4 or the XBone in any way, shape, or form. When people were going goo goo ga ga over the initial vids of Killzone and Forza, and others I was left unimpressed. I thought they looked good, yes, but nothing that I haven't seen before over the past couple of years.

Battlefield 3 ultra, Crysis 3, even Crysis 2 to some extent, The witcher 2, Assassins Creed 3, Company of heroes, just to name a few, were up to par, and even surpassed the games shown thus far IMHO.

I'm sure these consoles will strut their stuff as early as next holiday season though. We will start to see what they can do.

ATi_Elite1114d ago (Edited 1114d ago )

PC Gamer here:

Both my PC's kill the PS4

1. Core i7 2700K / HD7970ghz CFX / SSD / water cooled
2. Core i7 2500K / GTX660ti SLI / SSD / water cooled

I'm on High Quality card settings with Ultra game settings on a 1600p monitor and a 3 screen 3D 1080p Eyefinity set-up and YES there is a HUGE difference between 1080p and 1600p.

also a lot of PC Gamers are using 1440p monitors which is better than 1080p and you can tell the difference.

The PS4 is using a HD7850 which is a Good GPU but No where near the sharpness, high detail, high frame rates, and crisp graphics of a Single HD7970ghz/Gtx660ti and I have TWO of each in CFX/sli configuration.

The Frostbite 3 is a TRUE NEXT GEN Game engine and both new consoles struggle with it which basically lets you know the limits of the machines.

sure many devs will come with nice looking games that will run fluid on XB1/PS4 but they will NOT have ALL the bells and whistles plus SCALE of Battlefield 4 which is why EA/DICE chose to show off their game on high end PC's and not consoles.

Battlefield 4 (and Arma 3) as of right now is the BENCHMARK of a game that really pushes Next GEN technology:

Great graphics, great post processing effects, LARGE SCALE, huge player count, great NPC A.I., Destruction, Physics, etc..

Waiting for Planetside 2 PS4 to do another comparison as I've seen PS2 running on a HD7850 and many features had to be turned OFF for 60 fps.

The PS4/XB1 are nice machines and will produce great gaming for years but against my hardware they are already out classed.

I can't imagine trying to play Total War Rome 2 or Arma 3 on a next Gen console without serious gimping.

I_am_Batman1114d ago (Edited 1114d ago )

I agree that you can't compare a PS4 or a XB1 with a high end PCs. But we're talking about a huge price difference here and a console (just like a mid-range or low end PC) is more price efficient than a high end PC. I think it's nice that the devs are getting more powerful hardware to work with but we shouldn't forget that graphics aren't everything.

You said that Battlefield 4 pushes next gen technology and I agree with that but as soon as BF4 is out a lot of people will probably stop playing BF3. What I'm trying to say is that people may be blinded by visuals and as soon as there is something better looking they will go on and forget about the game they praised before. I can't talk about BF's quality though I've never played it. I've played Crysis though. I thought it was a decent game with way to much emphasis put on the graphics. I want to play memorable games that I can remember as great games years later. I won't have that kind of memories for Crysis.

SpitFireAce851114d ago

How much does a PC like that run i would like to get something like that for my self..

PM me any links you have please thanks..:)

Gamer19821114d ago

People always bring price into these arguements, initial price outlay yeah PC does seem more expensive but once you add up your live/ps+ sub over 10 years of console life plus the console premium on top of games (most games cost double on console compared to PC versions and I'm not even counting steam sales here I just got Batman Origins PC for £22) PC is looking a DAMN sight cheaper over time. It was the same with PS3 and Xbox 360 last gen, Xbox 1 seemed the cheapest at first glance but 10 years of XBL and the Xbox was actually double the price of the PS3.

Angeljuice1114d ago

@ATI_Elite

BORING!!
This is one of the many reasons I prefer gaming on consoles. When you get into a discussion with console gamers its generally about games, when you have a discussion with PC gamers its invariably about specs and numbers (at the moment there is a crossover admittedly as console gamers get to grips with the specs of the new machines).

Console gamer: "Have you played the new "______"? it's amazing, you should try it, its really fun to play"

PC Gamer: "I have a new "xyt336Rtc7gp9" it renders fragalumps 44% faster than a "BOB45278_dte", with twice the BumWidth.

Honestly, my Video Editing workstation is an absolute powerhouse, it costs over $15,000 (converted from sterling), but I'd rather play games on my PS3 (PS4 soon), because it's simply more fun.

Consoles unite people at one single standard, PC's divide people into a thousand different sub sections depending on their hardware specs. After a few years it gets so very tedious (speaking from experience).
I will ALWAYS prefer console gaming, no matter how powerful my PC is.

thezeldadoth1114d ago

^Oh really its about the games on here with console players? Its funny how bad people bash the wii u for not being technically up to par with the others. Its about specs on here until you get put against the PC then suddenly "its about the gammess" Which the exclusives this year for ps4/one suck ass. Witcher 3 and titanfall will be the best games on the new consoles and both will perform better on PC. Wii U has the best and most unique gaming exclusives for consoles.

AD7051114d ago (Edited 1114d ago )

@angeljuice

So how about the ps3 and 360 fanboys on this website for the last 7 years that have been bashing each other nonstop over which console is better than the other? 95% of those arguments are about hardware and graphics. from ps3 and 360 fanboys saying "the ps3 is a super computer" This game will run at 1080p and 60 fps. Exclusives on our consoles look better than the other console. Our console runs multiplats better! The list goes on so please stop saying that only pc gamers care about graphics because this website alone proves that wrong because thats all console fanboys do is bash on one another over which console they play.

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Salooh1114d ago (Edited 1114d ago )

It's not who have better specs. We all know pc is more powerful and will be a lot more in the future too.

It's about developers maxing the ps4 power . I for one think it will be 2-3 years for AAA games. Then games will depend on the vision like right now in ps3. We get better games in ps3 even though it's been maxed out long time ago . So the same will happen to the ps4. But since sony chose cheap hardware instead of future prove i think the ps5 will come after 5 years not 7-8 years like right now :P ..