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Submitted by WorldGamer 889d ago | news

Microsoft Is So Sorry About How It's Treated Xbox One Fans So Far

LOS ANGELES (AP) — When it comes to hyping next-generation hardware, the video game industry doesn't typically opt for simplicity. However, during a presentation at the GameStop Expo in Las Vegas to promote the upcoming Xbox One console last week, a no-frills, old-school approach is exactly what Microsoft employed when confronted with a convention room full of passionate gamers. (Microsoft, Next-Gen, PS4, Xbox One)

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thetruthx1  +   889d ago
Real gamers forgive you Microsoft seeing how you fixed the problems before they even went into effect.

Only Sony fanboys that were never gonna get the Xbox One still love to complain
JoGam  +   889d ago | Well said
Only Sony fanboys? Lol.......Dude, those wasn't Sony fanboys jumping ship. Sure everyone isn't currently pissed at MS but they sure did put a bad taste in their customers mouth. Enough to make some of the biggest Xbox fanboys turn to the Playstation 4. FACT!
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DarkBlood  +   889d ago | Well said
agreed, microsoft are working thier way to regain trust, i still wont get one till they make a kinectless bundle but seeing how they invested way too much to just do that option right now i would have to wait a long time to see it happen

if thats the case then so be it
thetruthx1   889d ago | Trolling | show
badboy776  +   889d ago
NFL say's No they're not.
Winter47th  +   889d ago | Funny
It's okay Microsoft you PISSED on our faces and told us it's raining but hey we forgive anything for a game right?
Seafort  +   889d ago | Intelligent

The backlash has nothing to do with power of the consoles.

It has everything to do with price and trust.
In the UK we are just coming out of a double dip recession and you expect people to splash out on a luxury item? Compare Xbox - £430 to PS4 - £350.

Now which one do you think people will buy considering the economic climate?

MS doesn't have that year's advantage this time around and that will have a massive effect on what console people buy. The UK was a playstation powerhouse but Sony lost that because they launched the PS3 over a year later than Xbox in EU/UK. So everyone and their friends bought an Xbox instead.

I'm expecting the UK to go back to the Playstation this time around especially with the price difference.
NewMonday  +   889d ago | Well said
MS don't need to apologize because from the comments we read XB1 fans don't mind the explotation
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jimbobwahey  +   889d ago | Well said
Microsoft was only sorry once they saw how abysmal preorders for the Xbox One were.

Up until then, they told their precious fans to just "deal with it".

Real classy company. If you forgive them for that and honestly think the changes that they're making are because they care about their fans, then you're a complete idiot. They only care about the money in your wallet, and they don't change their policies until they realize that they might not get it.
die_fiend  +   889d ago | Well said
U think that's bad?! Wait and see what they've got in store for you post-launch!
Kryptix  +   889d ago | Well said
I read the article, nowhere in there is Microsoft apologizing or saying "sorry" to the gaming community.

A lot more of that, "we did the changes only because of the gamer's feedback" bs we keep seeing. They keep acting like they were right this whole time and won't admit for once that they were making mistakes in the beginning.

Here's the piece of the article that the journalist somehow considers an apology:

---From article:

"Look, at Xbox, we really care about the community," Hryb replied when asked point-blank how Microsoft would win back consumers. "We're very focused on what is right for gamers. Everybody at Xbox is a gamer. It's not like we just show up, do our work and go home. We want to make this the best game system that you are going to own for the next 10 years."

The presentation was apparently the first stop of an apology tour for Microsoft, which originally said the successor to the Xbox 360 would be required to go online every 24 hours and limit how users could access previously purchased games. A month later, citing feedback from consumers, Microsoft Corp. announced it decided not to implement such restrictions.


Notice the word "apparently" being used by the journalist? You wouldn't need to use the word apparently if it was clear as day for the readers. So the title of the article is only there because there's a lot of people like thetruthx1 that don't want to read the article and just spew more bs.

The journalist is just trying to talk for Microsoft when they should be doing it themselves. Delusional I want to say... Microsoft needs to let out an official statement of apology, not some guy taking the words they been saying for a long time and trying to spin it to create a brand new story.
gaffyh  +   889d ago | Well said
Microsoft is so sorry that they aren't going to get your money more like.
DragonKnight  +   889d ago | Well said
They're not sorry unless you want to count being sorry that their B.S. was called out. If there was no backlash, there would be no apology.

@thetruthx1: Your name is false because you lie. Real gamers are one of the reasons for the change to begin with, people like you would have kept the DRM because you're blind corporate fanboys.
hqgamez  +   889d ago
The truth is that Xbox fanboys jumped ship back to sony because we all know it was ps2 they were on. them boys jump to 360, original fans stick with sony. Now when they see what MS really came into the gaming world for.....$ only and don't know much, Now they want to jumpship back to playstation. I call each one of them a hypocrite. Join that 360 boat to diss that playstation when they were originally playing that ps2. Now they want to cry back to playstation and act like it never happen. Them boys can keep their 360 & get an X1. Playstation was doing just fine without them. That's the truth.
thechosenone  +   888d ago
We're sorry... sorry.
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BallsEye  +   888d ago
I'm a gamer longer than probably most of N4g users are on this world. I forgive MS. Actually the only thing bothering me really was region lock. I will buy 2 xbox ones, one for me and my wife and one for kids. PS4 maybe next year who knows. Real gamers buy their own toys and they do not care about a lot of that crap that make n4g users crazy. Honestly, I know plenty of xbox players and none of them thought even for a second not to buy XO even when DRM was still here. I bet my balls 90% of complainers here were die hard sony fans.
majiebeast  +   888d ago
Microsoft taking some advice from BP
ZodTheRipper  +   888d ago

I think that people overestimated Microsoft after this gen. Microsoft can't compete with Sony in terms of games or gaming consoles, Microsoft is a software company that got very lucky after Sony screwed up the PS3 launch and lost all of it's PS2 momentum. That momentum quickly came back after PS4's unveiling and just grew bigger and bigger until now - where it's even surpassing expectations thanks to M$ screwing it up this time. Judging by their marvellous marketing work in the last couple of months, I'm expecting a lot of strategic AAA announcements (Naughty Dog, Santa Monica, etc.) from Sony until launch to win the rest of the sceptics over.
GrandTheftZamboni  +   888d ago
Wolf in Sheep's Clothing
BallsEye  +   888d ago

You have a very short memory or you werent alive in times of first psone model and ps2. THese consoles had more problems than 360 with its RROD. Problem was, the warranty didn't cover it. I had to buy 3 psone some point I had to flip the damn thing upside down for it to read discs, all 3 of them. My point is, please don't praise sony as amazing hardware company, they have their issues. MS did a great job with original xbox, the thing was undestructable. They screwed up with 360 because of a little bit rushed upgrade which caused RROD but also gave power to 360 that surpassed PC's at that time when it came to graphics.
DragonKnight  +   888d ago | Well said
@BallsEye: I was around for the multiple PS1's and PS2's and NONE of them had the failure rate of Microsoft's Xbox 360. If you think for a second that any other console had that kind of failure rate out of the box, you're flat out wrong. Microsoft's Xbox 360 had one of the worst failure rates in consumer electronics history, and definitely the worst in home console history. Don't try to downplay that fact by bringing other console's problems into it.
ThanatosDMC  +   888d ago
Doubt they're sorry at all. Only after realizing the little amount of pre-orders did they start their 180s. Heck, they should lower their price comparable to the PS4 since it's lower tech.

Plus the new UI is gonna be a pukefest of ads. They even said it... i mean, really?!
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MWong  +   888d ago
And the funniest, sad but true comment goes to Winter47th.

M$ for sure gave it's consumer base a GOLDEN SHOWER and so many are just ok with it. At least they aren't saying if you can't play online we have a console for you it's called the 360.
Dee_91  +   888d ago
the damage has been done to put it simply...
i'll get a xbox one eventually because of forza but, for now that trust is gone.
Rhaigun  +   888d ago

I've been gaming since the Commmodore 64 days. I've owned every system except 3DO, Jaguar and Dreamcast in that time, and the 360 is the only machine I've ever had fail. Three times as a matter of fact. Hell, even the Turbographix 16 had a better survival rate.
patterson  +   888d ago
@ Microsoft:
You can't figuratively point a gun at someone's head, say sorry and expect that person to forgive so easily. It's going to take a lot of time and work to come back from that if ever, because your true nature has been revealed.
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pixelsword  +   888d ago
"Only Sony fanboys that were never gonna get the Xbox One still love to complain"

I have been told that I can act like quite the Sony fanboy at times, but I was on here for a while after I found out about Sony paying to play that I would get an XboX one... I even said that Sony was last on my list, but Microsoft was determined to mess that up, and the PS4 made a really appealing show at E3, so now the PS4 is neck and neck with upgrading my PC and the steambox.
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Foliage  +   888d ago
Individuals like thetruthx1 enjoy the bad taste Microsoft leaves in their mouth.
starchild  +   888d ago
This past generation I owned a gaming PC, PS3 and Xbox 360. This upcoming generation I'm really not impressed with any of the consoles, so I'll stick with my PC and a little later I'll get a PS4 after a couple games I want have come out on it.

In that sense I guess I am one of those people that owned an Xbox 360 and won't be getting an Xbox One.

That said, 95% of you commenting on this article were known hardcore Playstation fanboys last generation and would have hated the next Xbox regardless. It's the simple truth.

The Sony fans on this site and other gaming sites are always the loudest and most vociferous critics of the Xbox One and it's silly because most of you wouldn't have bought one anyway.
HonestDragon  +   888d ago
Agreed. Seems like some Xbox fanboys are conveniently forgetting that a good number of Xbox owners have decided to not go with Xbox One. Have Microsoft improved since then? Sure, but the damage has been done.

@ thetruthx1

Real gamers don't follow a company's attempt to restrict your rights as a consumer. Real gamers voice their disapproval. Real gamers know when they are being fed corporate BS. Microsoft made their bed and now they must sleep in it. They screwed up and they know it.

@ starchild

Sony fans aren't the only ones who voiced concern and criticism of the Xbox One. Journalists, analysts, and the general consumer have voiced themselves. Don't make it seem like Sony fans are the only ones who said anything to critique Microsoft. I can guarantee that most people who commented up top are looking it as a gamer and consumer. Not as a Sony fanboy as you claim.

I believe any fanboy can be as "vociferous" given the chance. Regardless of it being on N4G, Gametrailers, IGN, or Youtube, fanboys are everywhere and no one can claim that any fanboy camp is innocent of being worse than another. They are all equally terrible.
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badz149  +   888d ago
seriously...where in the article stated that they are sorry? I can't see any!
Ritsujun  +   888d ago
thetruthx1's in her sweetsweet daydreams.
imt558  +   888d ago
If you're sorry, Microsoft, than remove the Kinect from bundle, god damn or f*ck you, MS!

Btw. Phil Spencer from GAMESCOM 2013 :'we're committed to the original vision'

So sorry!!?? Jizz...
ziggurcat  +   888d ago
i'm beginning to think that thetruthx1 is just a greenpowerz alt account... because the sam, delusional nonsense he utters seems to be the same as greenpowerz.
UltimateMaster  +   888d ago
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SilentNegotiator  +   888d ago
If Microsoft has been this oblivious to gamers' needs and so deceptive up to this point (all before Xbox One even launched), why would you want to follow them for an entire generation?
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H0RSE  +   888d ago
The only consumers that MS (or their actions) are really going to an effect on, are the dedicated players that actually follow trends and gaming news, which isn't the majority.

Most people don't even know what's in the food they eat, so do you really think they have any idea about the shenanigans MS is pulling in regards to a game console? Many no idea what MS or Sony has been up to, and their actions will have no effect on which console they buy.

Some you act like MS is responsible for mass child's a video game console....I've been gaming for over 25 years, and it will always be my love, but I tend to dedicate my passion and emotion to facets that actually matter, like activism and educating myself.
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ajax17  +   888d ago
Wow, I've only been on N4G for a little over a year, but that is the most disagrees I've seen for a comment.
starchild  +   888d ago
I hate the attitude of Sony fanboys in which everybody must agree with them and march in lockstep. Even when I agree with them, I simply can't stand the herd mentality and the way they shove their views down everybody's throat and act like everyone must agree with them.


Not everybody has to think the same way. The fact that this is a site dominated by Sony fanboys and there were still over a hundred people that agreed with him shows you that there are a lot of people that don't think the way you do. But you guys always attack and try to marginalize those with different opinions.

Why can't you just be happy with your choice in platform(s) and games and be respectful of others with different preferences?

I'm not buying a Wii U or an Xbox One, but I never attack supporters of those consoles and tell them they are stupid for their choices. I don't believe people are stupid for choosing any system. Each system has its pros and cons, and different people have different needs and preferences. Why is that so hard for some of you to understand?
Yi-Long  +   888d ago
It's very very simple: Which company do I trust more to look after my rights and needs as a gamer!?

Microsoft or Sony.

The answer, for me, is very simple. I think most people who have followed the news, will feel the same way.

At this point, it's not even ONLY about games anymore btw. It's also the whole NSA thing.
NukaCola  +   888d ago
Wow over 500 disagrees. Haven't seen that ever.

If MS was sorry they would of apologized. Ever 180 MS does they play it of as if they never did anything wrong in the first place.
HammadTheBeast  +   889d ago | Funny
Confirmed by MS exec: Kinect is MADE FOR ADVERTISING.

See ya.
PickAShoe  +   889d ago
There's gonna be a word "sorry" in the advertisement day one.
ajkula  +   889d ago
NSA advertising...
PickAShoe  +   889d ago
Oh and don't bring out the hammer just yet, there's a sticker, exclusively for xbox one!
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MichaelLito79  +   888d ago
"Confirmed by MS exec: Kinect is MADE FOR ADVERTISING."

You're a clown. LOL
Kryptix  +   888d ago

He's not lying, just stating a fact that Microsoft did confirm that the Xbox One was built with advertisement in mind and the Kinect is essential to it.

If you want proof, just click on the link below:

==Quote from the link:

The Microsoft employee added that Nuads, “transform passive TV advertising into something interactive, immersive, and actionable, redefining the relationship between consumers and brands with amazing new advertising opportunities”.


He's not a clown for stating fact, but you do enjoy being exploited by Microsoft. Unless you were actually blind and I just brought light to your senses. It would be stupid now to just dismiss it since I gave you a solid link. Truth hurts, but at least now you know.
H0RSE  +   888d ago
Really guys? You're gonna bring up advertising, as if virtually every other facet of life isn't also effected by it? Purchases you make both online and at brick and mortar retailers, searches you make on the internet, websites you visit, TV shows you watch, commercials, magazine ads, billboards, and many, many, more, all have ties to advertising. If you're gonna hate on MS for using their device for advertising, you might as well not leave your house, not go online, and never interact with society.

Sure, MS isn't helping by adding to it, but bringing it up like it's some MS exclusive thing, is misleading at best. Besides, like virtually every other source of advertising, it can all be ignored.
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christrules0041  +   889d ago | Well said
You have no idea how many times I've read someone say they were switching from Xbox 360 to the PS4. It wasn't just fanboys. If it was negative feedback that made Microsoft change there mind they wouldn't have tried to fight it off at E3. They had time to change there policies inbetween there initial reveal and E3.

Just find it funny how some of the "Sony fanboys" are actually people who used to be Microsoft's fanboys. That isn't a good thing and that didn't happen because of Sony.

Microsoft drove them away and knew by all the negative feedback what they were doing.
NewMonday  +   889d ago | Well said
the same people who are preferring the PS4 and criticized the XB1 are the same who preferd the 360 at the start and criticized the PS3.

we represent the bulk of the market, the swing voters that look out for our own interest with no loyalty to brands.
UnHoly_One  +   889d ago
I can verify that that is incorrect, newmonday.

All of my friends thought the PS3 was a junk system that unfortunately had 6 or 7 really good games.

All of those same friends have zero interest in a PS4.

Maybe we aren't clogging up Internet forums as if our opinions represent everyone, but we are definitely out there.
DARK WITNESS  +   888d ago
for example, people like me
MysticStrummer  +   888d ago
@UnHoly_One - "I can verify that that is incorrect, newmonday."

No, you can't and you didn't. No one said all MS fans were jumping ship, just that many are. You happen to know some that aren't.
MichaelLito79  +   888d ago
"Microsoft drove them away and knew by all the negative feedback what they were doing."

I heard the same thing from "Sony Fanboys" who are actually purchasing an Xbox One. Its amazing how people go back and forth. Assuming that MS is the only one who drove people away is wrong.
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ForgivenZombie  +   888d ago
Me and my friends were xbots even though I was the only one with ps3, but we are all leaving Microsoft for PS4, if I get an xbone it will be after a year because of previous RROD issues on 360.
gaelic_laoch  +   889d ago
Do yourself a favour and go get treatment for your Stockholm Syndrome pronto!
FlunkinMonkey  +   889d ago

You are either a shill... Or a gold fish (terrible memory)..

I'm thinking both.

Luckily logical people have more of an elephant mentality (never forgetting).

Goldish (minority).. Elephants (majority).
LostDjinn  +   889d ago
It's a case of not having anything meaningful to say. You just keep spamming a message (even if it's ridiculous).

What I find funny is that people like the one you mention think this sort of behavior actually substitutes reality. It's frightening.
Andronix  +   889d ago
At no point in the article does anyone from Microsoft say 'sorry.'
The so called apology comes from what the journalist believes Microsoft's more recent actions mean.
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DragonKnight  +   888d ago
As a matter of fact, MS have said repeatedly that they are committed to the original vision. So not only are they not sorry, but they are probably looking for a way to quietly bring back their DRM in the future.
aiBreeze  +   889d ago | Well said
I'm a real gamer (and wouldn't consider myself a Sony fanboy however I respect their gaming orientated stance) and I don't forgive Microsoft. If they had listened initially and at their E3 conference addressed people's concerns and promised to look into what they could change so gamers got the best of both worlds, I'd forgive them but no, they reacted to the poor preorder figures, not to their fan's concerns.
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Silly gameAr  +   889d ago
lol real gamers. You saying that right there forced me to comment. Sorry, but this has nothing to do with real gamers. People with common sense should be wary of MS and their flip flopping ways. If you want an X1, cool but don't trust MS so easily because they might end of doing another 180 on you. I've never seen so many articles telling us why we should forgive a company so much as I have MS.

Pttf. Real gamers.
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ajkula  +   889d ago
M$ have always been a bunch of thieves, now they just tried to rape theirs fans without lub. while peting them...
people who think for themselves might go look out elsewhere
die_fiend  +   889d ago

You're messed up in the head. Let's hope I never come across you on PS4
nukeitall  +   889d ago
I don't think MS need to apologize for anything. The original vision for the Xbox One was what I wanted, not this future chained to an old model of physical media, where people physically hand you a disc to borrow a game or a digital future where I cannot sell, trade-in, gift or share my digital games.

That is anti-consumer and we have actually moved backwards!!!
kcuthbertson  +   889d ago
Do you really believe that micro was gonna let you trade in your digital games? That's rich dude... And even if they did, they would shaft you harder than GameStop ever dreamed of.
JoGam  +   889d ago
Can not trade, or sell digital games? Huh? Digital games? IMPOSSIBLE!
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torchic  +   889d ago
I'm just glad the world isn't filled with people like you, who knows where we would be? still under the tyranny of an evil government?

anyone who supported the original Xbox One concept is a failure in my eyes and should find another hobby.
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nukeitall  +   889d ago
@kcuthbertson, JoGam:

If you stop being hysteric and actually read and comporehend, then yes, MS has confirmed multiple times that *trade-in*, lending, gifting, reselling and sharing digital games was part of Xbox One vision and why it required the 24-hour check in. Otherwise, how else are MS to remove a game you traded in, or gifted away?

Yes, the 24-hour check-in wasn't to strip you of all your rights, invade your home, and take all your rights away!

This was re-iterated just days ago AGAIN:

"We were trying to implement the ability to trade [and] loan digital games with your friends, which is something that no-one else was doing." -Albert Penello of MS

Places like GameStop would be able to trade like you always have.

Furthermore, you will be able to sell your games yourself, so no shafting by GameStop:

"We[MS] will have a solution—we’re not talking about it today—for you to be able to trade your previously-played games online," -Phil Harrison of MS

If people would just pull their head out of their @ss sometimes.


Anyone that resist change, follows the herd, being ignorant to facts and makes assumptions without thinking is a total failure in my mind and why this world is the way it is.
DragonKnight  +   888d ago
@nukeitall: That's B.S. and you know it. MS only came forward with this nonsense after they had no choice but to remove their draconian DRM because they wanted everyone to act just like you are.

"Awww, you mean I could have traded in digital games? Dammit I wanted that."

They had no intention of allowing people to do what you claim because if they had, they'd have made that clear from the start. And I don't buy the idea that Microsoft executives are so incompetent at their jobs that they couldn't get such an important message across effectively.

I'm not surprised by your MS fanboyism, I am surprised at how far you're willing to take it.
solidjun5  +   888d ago
"I'm not surprised by your MS fanboyism, I am surprised at how far you're willing to take it."

I'm not. You shouldn't be as well.
nukeitall  +   888d ago

If you weren't so busy being full of yourself and being a Sony fangirl, you would have noticed the link I provided has a date of May 21, 2013 specifying THAT YOU WILL be able to trade-in AND sell digital games on Xbox One.

But hey typical fangirl excuse is, I don't believe the company is doing that because MS surely must be evil! i.e. DENIAL!!!
warczar  +   888d ago
I think you need to read that kotaku article again. it clearly states you will still need to pay a fee to trade with your friends so your little link only proves that microsoft loves to nickle and dime you. next thing you know they will be charging you a "button pressing fee" every time you turn your x1 on but knowing you nuke, you would probably call that an "innovative feature".
warczar  +   888d ago
you need some reading comprehension skills because that kotaku article you site clearly states and I quote,
"But what if you want to bring a game disc to a friend's house and play there? You'll have to pay a fee—and not just some sort of activation fee, but the actual price of that game—in order to use a game's code on a friend's account. Think of it like a new game, Harrison said."
wow, so microsoft will allow my friends to purchace the same games that I have purchaced? I suppose you think we all should thank those wonderful bastards for bringing such an innovative solution to our digital media needs.
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   888d ago
Okay let me set you straight, nukei...

***"digital future where I cannot sell, trade-in, gift or share my digital games"***

Sell Digital Games:

None of the links your provided state that you can sell ***DIGITAL*** I repeat ***DIGITAL*** games.

The idea of selling digital games makes so sense anyway. Why would MS want to buy your digital game? Were people going to be able to buy used digital games or something?

The "sell games online" refers to games that has the activation code (i.e Games you buy at retail) which you can already do now on websites like ebay and amazon except for the fact that you have to ship the physical disc away.

Also, before you say something like, "being able to sell games whether or not MS was referring to digital games, is still more convenient than the way it is now as you wouldn't have to ship the disc", that isn't exactly the case because the prices that you'd be able to sell them at would be fixed unlike now where you yourself can determine the price you want to sell it at.

Share Digital Games:

You can share digital games this gen although not up to 10 people like MS was going to do.

Gift Digital Games:

Please explain the "gift" part. Are you saying something like buying a game digitally and then giving it away for free as a gift? I don't recall MS ever addressing something like that in regards to their old policies. And even if MS brought something like that up we don't know if they are referring to games that come with the activation code (the games you buy physically) or both digital and physical. You ***ASSUME WITHOUT THINKING**** that everything applies to things that you buy digitally as well, which according to YOUR words makes you a failure...

Trade-in Digital Games:

Probably the only one you mentioned that you can't already do this gen and also applies to digital games as well. I doubt MS would have let you trade in games that you buy digitally for money, but for other games, that would be plausible.

You'll probably dismiss all my great points because anything that isn't exactly pro MS or anti-Sony is "fangirl" drivel to you.
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garos82  +   889d ago
Sure thetruthx1 they will rush back to the xbox when they realise it's weaker for 100 dollars more. /s

Microsoft doesn't need to apologise if it's fan base is as brainwashed as you
GarrusVakarian  +   889d ago
What? I'm getting the PS4 and Xbox One but i still don't forgive MS.

Why are people like you so quick to forget? Did you actually like the idea of not owning any of the games you bought? Or did you love the idea of not being allowed access to your own console if you didn't pass the 24 hour checkup?

Sigh. What do MS have to do wrong for their loyalists to realise how ill placed their loyalty is?

"They'll be back once they see the Ps4 doesn't have the huge power advantage they thought it would"

So let me get this are saying that once people realise the PS4 doesn't have a huge power advantage, they are going to go back to the lesser powerful console....and spend $100 more on it? Your logic is hilarious.
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IVanSpinal  +   888d ago
Quick to Forget?
Read This Please:
iiwii  +   888d ago
I'm convinced that these people are Microsoft paid employees out posting on public forums to try and make it look like the general public supports the ignorant ideas MS tried to force on the gaming community.
rainslacker  +   888d ago

the rootkit scandal was nowhere near the level of anti-consumer that MS attempted. It wasn't malicious as most Xbox fans try to make out, it could have just been used that way by hackers if they decided to hack it. The rootkit itself came from a reputable company in fact.

The "scandal" was that it installed on people's PC without their knowledge and there was no easy way to remove it. The reason it was there was for copy protection at a time when burning CD's was running rampant. In no way was the rootkit involved in trying to limit the actual ownership of the product in question. In fact it wasn't even a rootkit, it just used root-kit type techniques to hide itself from the user.

Jesus, I wish the people that keep bringing that up would actually understand what happened there, and stop parroting it because some other troll decided to do the same thing a while back. Hell all the information you need is right there in the link you posted.

It was a shady thing of Sony to do, and I criticized them at the time because of it. But I fail to see why it's indicative of Sony trying to control the consumers rights of ownership.
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H0RSE  +   887d ago
"Did you actually like the idea of not owning any of the games you bought?"

You never owned the games you bought. You owned the physical media - the disk, the box, the instruction manual (if it has ones) but the content - the game itself, isn't yours.
madpuppy  +   889d ago | Well said
when a serial killer decides not to kill you, you don't try to become his friend.
2cents  +   889d ago
Anyone here who hasn't got over what has happened since may and still have a resolute stance against MS, will never change.

It's quite obvious that many here have no intention of purchasing an Xbox, but yet they will continue to try to dissuade others by spouting hate and negativity about the past endeavours of team Xbox.

Completely ignoring the difficult choices they have made to rectify their mistakes, and the best bit is that this has all been theoretical as the console hasnt even been shipped. So people are still holding on to what could have been, but itsnt, nor will be.

Most of you sound like Grumpy old men, so cynical, so negative, so hateful, waving your walking sticks in people's faces, repeating the same old stories that noone wants to hear, other than other old geriatrics.

Misery loves company, and boy arent most of you a miserable bunch. Grumbling and moaning about the past, never having any sort of positive outlook of the future of gaming on Xbox.

I think MS have done wonders to openly show their cards, apologise for their misguided plans, change said plans, communicated with gamers and ultimately have sent the console for mass production with numerous improvements since the announcement back in may.

Thank you MS for addressing my concerns, I will be enjoying my Xbox on day 1. And I look forward to the future of gaming on your platform.
TKCMuzzer  +   889d ago
I'm guessing your the kind of customer who accepted the 360 red ring issue and just kept purchasing another 360?
So much of what you say is so wrong but your the kind of customer Microsoft rely on.

I also think there where many who wanted to purchase an Xbox one before it was revealed and now don't trust Microsoft because they have already demonstrated the future they want for their gamers. It's their long term plan, it's just on hold for a bit.
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2cents  +   889d ago
Obviously struck a nerve. And 15 disagrees and counting without a sniff of a retort. Ha Ha!


I guess your the sort of fanboy that is narrow minded and would cut their nose to spite their face. When some great games are staring you in the face but you just can't grow a pair big enough to stand up for yourself in the face of adversity, just go with the sheep and bleet fear change and advancements and want nothing more than to make others feel alienated for wanting something different. All I feel is sorry for you, trying to make out that I'm a weak minded individual who for some reason is trying to harm others for wanting to embrace future technology and change.

It ok. I don't hate, live and let live I say. It's a shame your so stubborn and shallow in your outlook on life that you have to find fault where ever you turn. But yet you will shower another multinational corporation and suck their teats dry with the biggest smile on your face. Go team Sony right? They are just so wonderful, they love me and will do everything to make me happy, never putting their own agendas first, no, they are angels in disguise.

I really don't understand the stubbornness of some of you fanboys, it's amazing how you can twist the truth to your benefit, pointing out nothing but flaws in someone or something else but never weigh in the positives unless it comes to your own personal choice.

I love the playstation brand and I love the Xbox brand, don't hate me because Im a gamer, I'm sorry I don't conform to your single minded way of thinking. It's ok thought, I'm the one who will be enjoying second son, kill zone sf, titanfall, ryse and forza in the next few months and my perception will be far more educated and unbiased compaired to yours.

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TKCMuzzer  +   888d ago | Well said

The good thing for me is you are not doing yourself any favours.

I am neither narrow minded or stubborn what so ever and I think it is you who is locked in a time capsule where Microsoft is all evergreen.

I bought a 360 at launch and loved everything about it, it's social aspects it's strong line up of games and I even bought Xbox live to game online for the first time. Less then 12 months in my 360 red ringed, after contacting Microsoft I was informed I was just an unlucky customer and it wasn't common and they would replace my quite new 360 with some refurb that had already red ringed for someone else.
Microsoft continued to deny any fault with 360 and did not want a refurb so I sold my broken one for spares and repairs and got enough to buy a new core one, why? because of the games they had coming out.

Naturally this left a sour taste in my mouth as they could not even admit their faults but I stuck with them supporting Xbox live. Like many gamers as time passed by I invested in a PS3 and carried on with my 360. After a time a trend started to appear, my 360 had less and less exclusives coming out for it and my PS3 line up was growing month by month. Then Sony introduced something called the instant game collection. Choice, spend £40 a year and get 'free' games or pay £40 a year to access free stuff and play online with an ever diminishing exclusive line up on my 360, the choice was a no brainer for someone who likes games.

You ignorance to Microsoft last few years is astonishing, their lack of support for the 360 games line up over the last couple of years is not good news,their constant refusal to allow us to access free apps without paying a fee is just laughable. Their new policies helped make my decision for the next gen, their arrogance on what they thought us gamers wanted was unbelievable and now people like you let them get away with it because they butter you up with a free game and do what they should have done in the first place.
There is a pattern with Microsoft I don't like, it's simple as that, I have my own mind and will not be fobbed off with after thoughts just to grab my money. I'm not being arrogant, Nothing on the Xbox one appeals to me apart from Titanfall and if that somehow stays an exclusive I will accept that knowing from the last few years that Sony will offer me enough alternative to make up for it.

So ask you not to judge me or others because we have made a choice, we have made that choice based on what was offered, truth is...Microsoft screwed up, people need to accept it, we can't all afford to buy the two so we make a choice based on what's in front of us. (I do the same with any product)

I apologise to everyone else who read through this, it was only for the attention of 'one'.
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Imalwaysright  +   888d ago
Apologise? Is that a joke?

They screw up and then call me stupid because I don't want my hobby to become more restricted. This is the company that the corporate apologists want me to support? Sorry but I'm a fan of gaming, not multibillion $ companies.
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deadie  +   888d ago

"Thank you MS for addressing my concerns, I will be enjoying my Xbox on day 1. And I look forward to the future of gaming on your platform." ???

Show some dignity - we are "grumpy" cuz Microsoft tried to screw everyone. Ive been through this several times & some people really has a hard time understanding the arrogance Microsoft showed everybody.
Several times mind you.

Go ahead & buy it - but i will never understand your decision to do so when they just some months ago told everyone to "deal with it".

Who knows - you might get that trustful answer the next time you wanna turn in your broken kinect device?

@TKCMuzzer: bubs up - Well said.
2cents  +   888d ago
You and others always come to me and state that I am essentially a no-brained fanboy who supports the evil one and that I am ignorant, stupid, someone who doesn’t understand what’s going on in the world, someone who doesn’t have the capacity to see what is going on, someone who is damaging gaming for everyone else. Maybe one day i'll post a blog on N4G with all the PM's ive recieved since may for my thoughts on the next generation. Threats, abuse, complete and utter rage and hatred, all for what? a games console? For my wanting to purchase an xbox one I should die? Im not trying to imply that you are as low as them, but its all in the same flavour. Now I have 3 bubbles left and I know they will continue to shrink because its easier to forcibly shut someone out, attack them in a private message or gang up on them in the comments section, rather than have an exchange of opinions.
I will continue to defend my choices when I am fully aware of the current standing of both companies. I was not happy with the may reveal, and there were moments that I was firmly against their policies, even though I could still see the vision they had, it was just too restrictive and only a benefit to a very small population of well to do people with excess money to burn. I was shocked and outraged by the thought of not being able to purchase preowned disc based games, along with many other choices they made. The paywall issue unfortunately has been a problem since day one, but... ive been a gold subscriber for many years so having the paywall is not an issue because I already subscribe, just as I do to PS+. It is not however a good thing, and I feel for people who wont be gold subscribers, that are restricted by it.
There are many things that have made me question their choices, but ultimately when im at home and I want to play my games, I just want to play my games, I have a full time job, a wife and a kid so my time is limited to game, when I get that time all I want to do is play the games I want to, I dont have time to start being a martyr because someone else does not want to pay for xbox live. I'll get on with my own life and make my own choices and play the games that I want to.
I am asking people to stop being so negative, Im not trying to convince people to buy the Xbox. Im asking people to be a little more positive in their outlook on life, to be a little happier and not so bitter and negative, Im trying to spread some good feelings and get people to look at what they are saying from a detached perspective so that they can think about how they are behaving and maybe, just maybe lighten up a little.
I will just continue to comment where i see necessary and have a joke and giggle where appropriate, and ofcourse defend myself when needed. Im sorry that I seem to offend so many for being happy about buying an xbox, But i have the minerals to go toe to toe with anyone that steps up because I know I'm a decent person, that I am good natured, im understanding and forgiving of most things,and that I LOVE gaming! I dont need to fight for the sake of fighting and I appreciate the amount of work that goes into creating these consoles by the hundreds of individuals that make up the sony and xbox brand. I also understand that the few suits that stand infront of the many dont always have their finger on the pulse, and get things wrong, woefully wrong sometimes.

What I see is beyond the mistakes, the effort to change and rectify. There is no way that everyone can be happy for the same thing, I know this. I am happy though, for what has transpired since May, and I am willing to move on, but never forgetting what could have been. For me that is enough.
Well, im all outta bubbles now so, thanks for the chat, sorry I cant continue. Either way, just enjoy whatever you decide to do.
deadie  +   888d ago

I respect your answer, and i understand some of your concerns about this.

I wanna be able to forget & forgive but I cant as of now.
I feel betrayed. Yes - it may sound a bit harsch and overreactive, but I can't hide the fact that it feels wrong to give my money to the company that were ready to throw my consumer rights into "the sea". (its a Swedish sayin)

It just feels wrong.

As wrong as it would feel to harass, threaten or spam anyone with hatemail because of their choice. I do not approve of those kind of things.

I thank you for your long answer. You and I have different opinions on this issue - and I respect that.
5eriously  +   888d ago
@ 2cents, Youre done you cannot troll this article any more. M$ loves you so thanks for supporting them Be gad you will receive the same support you received on the 360 the last few years. Just repeat IP's and nothing else. If that's your wish fine, your money and I as sure as hell are not gonna give you any sympathy in future when you come biatch on NG4 because of the lack of M$ support. In the meantime I will just be enjoying fantastic games and new IP's just like TLOU.. on the PS3 and PS4 in the near future.

Now go sulk in your corner.
rainslacker  +   888d ago
"I think MS have done wonders to openly show their cards, apologise for their misguided plan"

Except they haven't actually apologized. They've made excuses such as saying that the consumer isn't up to their level yet. They've blamed the consumers for not understanding. They treated the consumer, and their fan base like idiots then and now like they are all ignorant fools who will lap up whatever they say. They don't address the actual issues of why people are mad, nor do they give anyone, any reason to believe that they care to give a digital future which is beneficial to everyone, instead of just themselves.

They've said that they listen, yet they showed no signs of it after the reveal and through/after E3. They even cut off comments on their official channels to prevent people from giving feedback where they couldn't moderate it.

MS has consistently said they expect people to attach the Kinect to the console. MS said their original vision hasn't changed and they still want to pursue it. MS admitted the X1 is built to focus advertising on the user. MS admitted they want to collect data on you. MS admitted to a lot of things that I've never seen anything but disgust for anywhere else. Yet, people lap it up because MS puts a nice spin on it, and some people feel they have to follow some stupid console war.

It's time to wake up. The things MS announced are reprehensible to any reasonable person. Just because they attach fancy features to it doesn't make it any easier to digest. People who approve of these things have their vision clouded by the shiny of a new console, or their hate of another console. I challenge anyone to sit down, get down to the basic principle of what their original policies were, and tell me if those were ever good things. When you realize they aren't, then you will see why so many people aren't willing to forgive MS so easily. Anyone who says they don't care about those things only proves to me that they have no real principals, and will accept anything that they are given. It is the definition of a sheep.

I myself don't need to forgive them. They pissed me off with their policies as I saw them detrimental to the industry and consumer as a whole, but they had no obligation to me whatsoever.
moparful99  +   888d ago
@2cents "It ok. I don't hate, live and let live I say"

Yet in nearly every reply to your comment you spit vitriol and sling insults at people.. Everything you say is instantly invalidated..
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come_bom  +   889d ago
I want a cheaper kinecteless X1 to purchase and that will probably arrive next year. Microsoft simply wants to sell the most X1's with Kinect, before announcing a kinectless version ... I'm in no hurry.
RevXM  +   888d ago
Me neither, but I'd might consider a Kinectless One.
Hopefully MS wont drop the AAA support anytime soon, so I would get a few games catching my interest too choose from. Remedy's Quantum Break really poked my interest, mostly because I enjoyed Alan Wake.

Not that I trust Microsoft, I hate their guts as they have been pulling quite a lot of crap in recent years. but If I could get a used ONE and still play SP games offline I would just might do it, since I enjoyed certain 360 exclusives, Forza, Gears and alan wake.
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Albie360  +   889d ago
@ thetruthx1

Whoopie dumb ass.
Whose the fanboy?
ZBlacktt  +   889d ago
You should be thanking Sony for forcing their hand to drop all that nonsense. Otherwise they would have been dead in the water. Thank Sony for that Blu-ray drive some 7 years later while you are at it. So your not still stuck in the DVD stone age.

How did you feel with the 3 years of RROD? Even I feel bad for XBox fans. They have been through a lot.
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Jaqen_Hghar  +   889d ago
Crowd reaction at E3 and Gamescom says differently. Unless all those journalists were PS fanboys which a man wouldn't put past Xbots of accusing...
Imalwaysright  +   888d ago
Haven't you heard? MS did the 180s for people that would NEVER buy a X1: PS fanboys.
Ggame  +   889d ago
ZHZ90  +   889d ago
Do you know that people moved from Xbox brand to PS brand before you call them da Sony fanboys right? I pity your ignorance.

Anyways MS doesn't need to apologise since Xbox fanboys(Who don't mind DRM and such for Xbox from MS) are still buying it anyways.
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bigfish  +   889d ago
Look how quickly these blinded fanboys forgive MS, its pitiful and one of the main reasons the gaming industry had been damaged by the company..
christocolus  +   889d ago

I'm with you on this dude...I never held a grudge against ms not one day over anythn xbox could i?ms just keep bringn us more great games.i.e .alan wake, halo, gow,pgr, titanfall and anythn frm live and kinect are just icing on the cake I know more things will come are doing good ms..i love kinect 2 and we all love you...we will keep doing our best to hold off those prophets of doom until your glorious coming on Nov 22(then naysayers shall see the light) Damn that day seems so long to have to wait.. Hibernating tiiime...
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christocolus  +   889d ago
fans complained about something and ms removed what is it now?.didn't gamers forgive sony when kutaragi said “people would need to work their asses off to enable them afford a ps3?..why people hold on to grudges for so long is beyond me..its immature and is a company not the anti christ,people love their grow up..I couldn't care less what people feel though..I and my pals are getting the console infact all those on my friends list are still purchasing the xbox one..I know a couple of nintendo fans also getting the xbx just needs to keep bringn us more great content.i.e .alan wake, halo, gow,pgr, titanfall and anythn frm rare.bring back lost odysee and blinx too live and kinect are just icing on the are doing good ms..
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sic_chops  +   888d ago
Wow, I guess since Micro$haft has dropped the core gamer on the 360, you have plenty of time to come in here and post walls of texts like that. Good luck! Now, back to The Last of Us for me. GOTY.
MicDude  +   888d ago
I have been saying it all along. The people who are showing this immovable hate towards Xbox are kids. You cannot explain something to a kid because they are stubborn. They will also say just about anything to justify their points without thinking it through.

"Watch MS will bring back DRM because they are evil!"

That makes no sense from a business standpoint. Bring back required DRM after after the console launch would equate to lying to their customers. Which means nobody would buy their products ever again. That's truly screwing the customers. You cannot be screwed if you haven't bought the product yet. MS has told you everything you need to know about their product and if you don't like it then don't buy it.

MS says they still plan on carrying out their vision in the future but that DOES NOT mean they will REQUIRE DRM; it would be suicide because if anyone knows how the "gamer" feels about DRM it's MS and any person who is logical knows this. If anything, I expect MS to give its customers the OPTION to make all games digital with the features that were originally promised. But who really knows for sure? If MS does REQUIRE DRM in the future then to hell with them. They flat out lied!
christocolus  +   888d ago

thanks man....atleast its good to see some gamers share my opinion...and im not trying to be biased and all but judging from all i see online it seems most xbox gamers are more mature and rational in their reasoning.
ShwankyShpanky  +   888d ago
@Mic: "Immovable hate"... hyperbole much? In my case, it doesn't really extend beyond distrust and dislike, but your melodramatics I suppose should be accepted given the maturity level in question.

And BTW... even *my* kids are familiar with the old "fool me once" adage.
MicDude  +   888d ago

Lol bad word choice I know.

I don't understand this whole "trust" thing either. You are buying a product from these companies. You give them money and you get a service in return. It's up to the consumer to choose which product to buy based on the information given about said product. MS decided to change the X1 so it would better fit potential consumers wants so they would sell more units. MS cannot withhold information that may deter people from buying their products and they sure as hell cannot lie about it because that is illegal. Right?

Now, this is where the "You fool me once..." saying comes in. If MS is worthy of this "distrust" like you seem to believe, then they will reinstate their DRM policies and I for one will NEVER buy an Xbox again. I feel like MS has done nothing (so far) to deserve the hate that has been given. All they did was try something different (appealing to a wider audience and digital gaming and sharing) and people just overreacted.

I also feel like when people say "I won't buy an X1 because MS tried to ruin gaming!" that is just a justification for buying the PS4 over the X1. Also, that is a BS excuse! (If you want a PS4 over an X1 and vise versa that's fine. The only reason you need to give is 'because I want it.' You don't need to justify it. You can if you want to but Xbox/PS4 sucks is not a good reason.) How exactly did MS try to ruin gaming or restrict customers? DRM? There was a legitimate reason for it! It just turns out that this decision was extremely unpopular so MS changed it, and that is a bad thing why?

Anyway I don't want to argue with anyone about this anymore because I'm not benefiting from it in any way; it's a waste of time. I'll continue to be excited for the X1 until MS TRUELY tries to screw me.
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moparful99  +   888d ago
@MicDude "That makes no sense from a business standpoint. Bring back required DRM after after the console launch would equate to lying to their customers. Which means nobody would buy their products ever again'

Microsoft knowingly launched a console with serious quality issues. Between the thermal paste issue leading to the RROD and the discs moving in the tray causing them to be all but destroyed.

They knew about these issues and because they were well into production they didn't want to dime up and pay for the solutions and they especially didn't want to delay the launch. So they swept it under the rug.

Once 360's were in the wild and customers began to report both of these issues occurring they did everything but confess and take responsibility..

I vividly remember an official statement from Microsoft claiming that console failure rates were well within accepted standards! It took them a year and a lot of external pressure to finally confess and extend the warranty..

What blows my mind is how many of you XBox lovers forgave them! Just like you are doing now.

To this day Microsoft hasn't released official numbers of how many consoles failed. But several independent studies have been done and all of them indicated that anywhere from 25-50% of pre Jasper 360's failed.

Honestly the fact that Microsoft hasn't made actual numbers available indicates just how bad the problem really was.. So for you to sit here and say that reverting back to their original DRM polices post launch is lying and would hurt their sales is unfounded. In fact there's plenty of precedent that many of you hardcore Xbox guys would buy it anyway.

Microsoft has done nothing but price gouge, lie, abandon their core, and force feed their own agendas upon you guys and you keep running back with fistfuls of cash.. It's now wonder they keep doing this nonsense, they've been consistently rewarded by their faithful customers. You all deserve to be treated better and the saddest part is you all are ok with not being treated well..
twinspectre  +   889d ago
please Stop calling yourself Real gamer because people like you are the Joke of Gaming
Real gamers want a sistem that support a huge variety of Games ,and Not FPS's and Call Of Duty BS
MICROSOFT tried to screw us why you dont see the Reality ?? time to Wake Up
XBOX FANBOYS LOGIC : i'm a Real Gamer and Microsoft can stick his Dick up my Ass , and i will forgive them because i'm a Real gamer -_-
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TheGreatGamer  +   889d ago
The dislikes speak for themselves. More xbox 360 owners switching to ps4 than ps3 to xbone
maddskull  +   889d ago
the real gamers will never forgive microsoft and only the xbox fanboys will do because microsoft did a big mistake if your girlfriend cheated on you and she told you that and then she told you to forgive her and be with her again will you forgive her
True_Samurai  +   889d ago
But guess what Microsoft is a corporation not your friends or girlfriend lol. Real gamers give things a shot and see how things works out. So do you forgive Sony for overpricing the ps3 for $600? Even though there were a bunch of gamers WHO DIDNT WANT BLU RAY. But Sony forced it on us instead? But don't you see how it paid off? Blu ray is one of the most popular disc formats now. It's time for some you so called gamers to get off your high horse and realize many companies are trying to revolutionize things now. And Sony can't be trusted by letting a random group hackers take down their online infrastructure? Sony Fanboys tried to claim no money or identity was lost during the fiasco. I must've missed the memo when $327 disappeared out of my "gaming" bank account!?
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pixelsword  +   888d ago
@ mad:

That was pretty good, but the only thing I would add that while she is apologizing over the phone, she's over some other guy's house buck-naked, covered with his filth while he's slapping her around while they both laugh and making plans about taking your money and info from you.


1. You have proof of all/any of this? If so, please post it; and while you're at it, why didn't you Sue Sony? You didn't have to accept the games.

2. If you put that much up, that means you spend a lot on online games; please put your PSN ID up so we can all see the myriad of games you purchased online (in either case having that much money laid-up to blow on games, you ought to have a myriad of games even if they're not online games)
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DigitalRaptor  +   888d ago
"I must've missed the memo when $327 disappeared out of my "gaming" bank account!?"

Making sh*t up now, are we? Man you Microsoft loyalist f**kwits are reaching to the depths of how far a fanboy can go now aren't you? This is low, really low - to defend a company who wanted your consumer rights and ownership on their side of the fence. And then you make up crap to try and even compare what Sony did to what Microsoft did.

Real gamers don't set bad precedents by supporting anti-consumer decisions. Real gamers support companies that make good industry decisions and give us options, not restrictions. Real gamers don't give things a shot and see how things work out when those things are not in the best interests of the industry, consumers and gamers over the world. The only people that the original vision of the XB1 benefitted was Microsoft. They built a console with measures that benefitted themselves, not you.

But here's the kicker - the day you realise you cannot criticise a PROVEN anti-consumer corporation without legions of their loyalist running in to support them, you can tell who aren't gamers and who are the most disgraceful of fanboys. What a sad, sad situation, when people are gladly supporting anti-consumerism.
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ShwankyShpanky  +   888d ago
"So do you forgive Sony for overpricing the ps3 for $600? Even though there were a bunch of gamers WHO DIDNT WANT BLU RAY. But Sony forced it on us instead? But don't you see how it paid off? Blu ray is one of the most popular disc formats now."

I don't need to forgive Sony... I didn't buy their product until it was $399.

And I gotta love the subtle implication that Kinect will be as big as BluRay.
moparful99  +   888d ago
@TrueNinja Sony overpriced the PS3? Hmm thats news to me considering they were losing close to $200 on every single console sold. They took a loss on every system sold so that we gamers could benefit from the best physical medium to ever come to gaming..

It's such a great technology that even Microsoft (the same company that publicly stated that blu ray wasn't needed for gaming) now has a blu ray drive in their shiny new console funny how that works huh?..

While we are keeping score that very same new shiny box is $100 more than the PS4 because Microsoft is force feeding Kinect on their consumers, even though Kinect has already proven how very little it benefits gaming.. But apparently it's so necessary and revolutionary that it HAS to be included in the box and it somehow justifies that extra $100.. Give me a break man..

Ohh by the way Sony didn't just let some random hackers infiltrate PSN. Those hackers happen to be Anonymous. A network of highly skilled hackers that managed to hack the Pentagon. If they can hack the network of a government organization that spends billions of dollars fighting cyber crime and improving their own network security then Sony doesn't stand a chance of defending themselves from the same fate.

Sony's ONLY mistake in the whole thing was not encrypting credit card data. But at the same time if you link your personal financial accounts to an online network then you are taking a risk and only you can be blamed.. I used PSN cards or my prepaid debit card to load money onto my PSN account..

If you lost that much money (which I doubt) from the PSN hack then I dont feel sorry for you. But Sony did the right thing.. They intentionally shut PSN down so the hackers couldn't do more damage then they already had and they rebuilt the entire PSN framework. Next they gave everyone two free high quality games and they offered reimbursments for any money taken, then they offered free credit monitoring for anyone that wanted it..

So yes I trust Sony. They've made mistakes like anyone else but they've clearly proven how important their relationship with their fans is time and time again..

After all of the boneheaded decisions and the sheer amount of arrogance their corporate mouthpieces give off one example of "trying to make things right" is nowhere near enough to make those of us that have been burned repeatedly by them begin to forgive them..

If you are so easily willing to forgive them then I have to question your financial security.. To willingly throw money at a company that hasn't earned the privilege to receive it is worrisome..
Clarence  +   889d ago
Your funny
DigitalRaptor  +   889d ago | Well said
Real gamers forgive them?

Any logical person can see who we're dealing with here. You loyalist and apologist fanboy idiots are the joke of the industry. Gullible fools who support a proven anti-consumer disgrace. A company that feeds you disingenuous PR spin comments to try and make out that they have your best in interests in mind as consumers of their products, when their actions from Day one have been the complete opposite. Thank Adam Orth and his unprotected Tweets, because without his mistakes, we might not have had such strong blowback against pure anti-consumerism.

Microsoft had no choice but to change their policies, and if it hadn't been badly received since the days where they were just rumours, this industry would be f*cked. They had planned for years and years, knowing the exact impact it would have on the industry and options we had as gamers and consumers. But again, their dishonesty is ripe, pretending they didn't expect the reaction it got. What horrible lies.

And they are still treating consumers like dirt:

You guys are funny. Microsoft is "OH SO SORRY", "We are listening" they said. Yet they are still charging you for 80 features that are both FREE on other platforms and don't require the XBLGold. They already told you that about the TV features, yet they're keeping in Facebook, Skype, Internet Explorer, Twitter, Netflix, Hulu, Crackle, YouTube and 60+ more.

They are still shipping the console with DRM in there. The are still forcing a non-required peripheral in the box and trying to say they are giving you a value with a less powerful console and more restrictions. They have still designed their dashboard with advertising in mind so that they can make more money off you whilst you still pay a subscription.

Real gamers don't support controlling, manipulative, lying, money-grubbing and anti-consumer corporations. They speak out against them. The Xbox One has changed because a certain hand was forced, but Microsoft is the same disgraceful company.
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user7402931  +   888d ago
well said
pixelsword  +   888d ago
@ dirty:

That's exactly what I bubbled him for.
ShwankyShpanky  +   888d ago
"And they are still treating consumers like dirt: "

"We have to think about security differently, permitting the customers when they can be offline, and have to be online"

That MS ever thought they had the right to exercise such control demonstrates the hubris we're dealing with. The only factor in whether I "have to be online" should be whether I want to take advantage of MP or other online functions.

BTW... where exactly is this supposed "apology" I see some of these Xboners talking about?
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moparful99  +   888d ago
I read that linked ARSTechnica article and Panello claims that the genesis for an all digital model stems from not having to get up and change discs during a "take home kinect testing".

Is it just me or is this statement bleeding with irony?

So they were product testing a device that is supposed to encourage the player to physically get up and be active while playing a game yet they deemed the practice of swapping discs to be to much effort?

To take it a step further that very same device is required to be purchased with the console. So they want you to get up and play with Kinect but they don't want you to take a few steps and swap a disc?

If you ask me that entire story smells fabricated as a means of justifying their desire for control.

Corporate hyperbole at it's finest folks, convince you that defaulting control of your possessions to them by spoon feeding you this bleeding heart story about how they care about what's best for you.

I'm just chalking this up to another reason why I don't trust Microsoft.
yellowgerbil  +   888d ago
behind closed door meetings
Guy 1 "we should murder our customers. Take a knife and just go to town"
Guy 2 "good Idea"
Guy 1 "yep"
Guy 2 to customers "hey we are going to murder you all"
outcry by customers
Guy 1 to customers"oh you DON'T want to die????"
guy 1 "maybe we should rethink this murder thing"
Guy 2 to customers "never mind, buy our product, we aren't going to murder you after all"

that is what MS have been like, and that is why it is not only "sony fanboys" that are refusing to buy it still.
Roper316  +   888d ago
real gamers want to protect their hobby & don't want to give MS another chance at ruining it or to try to take their rights away again. You really think MS isn't going to flip flop back to their original policies after they hit a certain sales number?

I guess the truth = ignorance is bliss.
Limegreen  +   888d ago
That's exactly Right ! As soon as they sell enough units they will implement DRM again.
MysticStrummer  +   888d ago
"They'll be back once they see the Ps4 doesn't have the huge power advantage they thought it would"

They're not leaving because of any power advantage. Many left before the One or PS4 were ever announced. No one I know in real life paid much attention to the One's reveal because of their experiences with RRoD. Other people noticed the drop off in 360 games from MS while they focused on Kinect for the last few years. Finally you have the group that saw what MS was trying to do with the One, didn't like it, and aren't fooled by the turnarounds. Only delusional MS fanboys think it's "only Sony fanboys" who are talking about these things.
Xsilver  +   888d ago
@truth lmao you said real gamers smh maybe dumb ones because you act like what Microsoft tried to do was something small, NO they tried to take away ownership of ur games u know the things that u pay allot of money for and expect to own and they even discriminated half of the gamers without a strong internet connection by making it mandatory to even use console then said stick to 360 like they didn't give a fxxk. but nooooooooooooo u can get back on ur knees for MS because Sony did everything right so guess what like a smart and real gamer they will attain my money.
EDIT: let me guess ur such ridiculous Fanboy if Microsoft ran on stage and said Fck gamers which they basically did with those polices you would still be on your knees for them.
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FamilyGuy  +   888d ago
A fanboy is someone with such blind trust that they'd let MS get away with what they tried to do. By all indications MS intends to eventually bring back those policies, has no remorse and blames fans for "not being ready for the future".

It's funny to be called a fanboy by someone that gets cheated on and a simple "sorry" fixes everything for them.

Some people just ignore warning signs :/
MichaelLito79  +   888d ago
Everyone makes mistakes. The issue is that many of the problems or in Microsoft's case controversial issues never went into effect. No one should carry a grudge and say we are going to dismiss one company when all companies have had issues in every generation. To answer your question Sorry's fixed Sony, Nintendo and even Microsoft. It should not be any different in this generation or any.

Note: In a few months to a year this will all be forgotten and it will be about the excellent games.
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kenshiro100  +   888d ago
Michael, companies do make mistakes but Microsoft made a costly one.
rainslacker  +   888d ago

Of course all people/companies make mistakes. It's only human nature. How they handle those mistakes is what defines them though.

If one can learn from their mistakes, and use them to improve themselves in the future, they become better. Sony did that from the PS3 reveal up till now.

If one just "fixes" the mistake, but learns nothing and only tries to find another way to get away with the same mistake later, then they are not a better person. They are the same person.

This is what MS is doing right now. They fixed the mistakes because they realized it was a mistake and they would lose out big time. But they learned nothing from it. MS isn't being humble, they aren't apologizing. They are rationalizing and making excuses. They are trying to get others to "forgive" them before they show one ounce of remorse.

They are trying really hard to get people on board for their original plans for what I can only assume will be a reintroduction in the future. I doubt it will be quite so blatent as what they did at their reveal, but have no doubt that they will do everything they can to get these policies in effect little by little until one day people just go..."hey, wait a minute, isn't this what we didn't want?".

Also, I highly doubt this will go away in a few months. It took years for Sony to get over it's missteps early this gen. And MS has been far worse. Sony was simply arrogant, MS was extremely arrogant, and highly anti-consumer. Gamers got a taste for what MS has always been, and it's what I've been telling people on forums since the first Xbox was released. MS is in it for themselves. They don't care two licks for the gaming industry. The fact that their investors and board members talk about selling it off is plenty of indication of that. It's just not a big company wide priority, which is the complete opposite of both Sony and Nintendo. For MS, gaming is a means to an end to gain control of a person's attention, whereas with Nintendo and Sony it's about gaining the most market share for their products to provide the services they offer.
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MichaelLito79  +   888d ago
I think in general many gamers felt that Xbox was going off the deep end. I for one felt the message and timing were off. As far as fanboys or trolls who continue to live in May without the problems going into effect is exactly what I have a problem with.

I for one can't wait for Xbox One.
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ChickenOfTheCaveMan  +   888d ago
Go ahead and buy a X1 as a "real gamer", but if it wasn't for Sony, you would have had that crappy console and all its non-sense rules.

Sure M$ listens to the fans, but first they tried to rip them off.
supes_24  +   888d ago
Thetruth, such an idiotic homer comment. I hate those immature "fanboy" comments as if that's the only group of people who can comment negatively about the One. Ever thought of a person who has common sense comparing consoles might not be happy about the One? It's called consumerism. If I'm not happy with a product I won't buy it. I don't owe my loyalty to any company whatsoever. It's my money and I do as I please with it and make the best choice possible on where to spend my money. It's that simple, you damn MS homer.
qzp  +   888d ago
you sound like a beaten wife going bad to and abusive husband !
FanOfRootBeer  +   888d ago
Signs of fanboyism/bandwagoning: 1) Having the N4G username "thetruth," or any variation of it (especially adding "x1" to the mix); 2) Citing an indefensible and no doubt self-serving definition of "real gamers" as fact; 3) Barking at fanboys of the opposite company.
BlaqMagiq24  +   888d ago
Only real gamers wouldn't pay for Xbox Live for features that should be free. How's that for the truth
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The_HarryEtTubMan  +   888d ago
They're sorry for the money they'll be losing this gen from their anti-consumer policies, nothing more. If people would have accepted it everyone would have been shafted and they would have been even more wealthy.

People realized what was going on, showed their disgust and now MS is "sad and sorry".

I personally enjoy seeing that the PS4 is going to destroy Xbox One this gen. They deserve it.
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xKugo  +   888d ago

You think only Sony fanboys are still mad at Microsoft? I'm sorry but not every fanboy is blind like you appear to be. Microsoft isn't sorry for what they did, they're sorry that what they did didn't turn into pre-orders. They're sorry that the hundreds of millions that they put into DRM policy developement and paying workers who specific job was DRM policy was wasted. THAT's what they're sorry for, not consumer out-cry. To Microsoft: money speaks louder than consumers. You been hiding under a rock these last 3 years? Microsoft literally ABANDONED it's hardcore market to gain the market share that the Wii and Nintendo swallowed. They didn't care that you guys wrote on Xbox forums crying out for new IPs and franchises. They ignored you and instead put out more and more Kinect shovelware. Did you go to the Walmart section of Xbox 360 games in 2012? ALL you see is Kinect, Kinect, Kinect, Kinect, Kinect, Halo and more Kinect. 2013? Same thing except instead of Halo it was Gears. They don't care about you dude, they care about money. Sony does too but to a much lesser extent. Yet, here you are, defending them to the very end no matter. They continue to shit in your face and all you do is say, "More, please." It really is sad to see a person so in denial, that they ignore what's right in front of your face.
cell989  +   888d ago
Well said !! Not to mention now their goal is to try and take over your tv habits lol
rainslacker  +   888d ago
Well said.

However I disagree that Sony cares about money less. The difference between MS and Sony, is that Sony at least goes about making money by giving the consumers what they want. A wide range of products and services at a fair price. It's a different business model, that tends to be better for the consumer. Nintendo is kind of the same in this regard.

We could argue the pros and cons of either business model, but as a consumer, and a gamer, I tend to like what Sony and Nintendo do better.
AbortMission  +   888d ago
Microsoft is like some Bipolar abusive husband and the Xbots/DRM-drones are the emotionally attached wife that feels that whatever her husband does to her is great.


Also, is there even such a thing as an "Xbox gamer"?
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Godmars290  +   888d ago
And given actions in the past, the price increase for XBL, if it wasn't for "Sony fanboys" pointing out how bad the original policies were, more than likely the hardcore Xbox fanboys would have made them acceptable.

Given that it was hardcore fanboys who started a petition to bring those very policies back, before actual Sony fanboys turned that more into a joke, you know its true.
pop-voxuli  +   888d ago
"Agree(75) | Disagree(305)" Says otherwise.
SaturdayNightBeaver  +   888d ago
What real gamers? What are you really playing?

arbitor365  +   888d ago
lol this comment sums up the problem with brainwashed xbox fans

just forgive and forget so microsoft can try to screw you over again in the future
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blackmanone  +   888d ago
So only Sony fanboy's jumped the 360 ship? How do you even function in the real world?
GraveLord  +   888d ago
You are one loyal sheep.
adorie  +   888d ago
There goes that real gamer bullshit again. I'm seriously fed up with that shit. It's as if I don't like something or don't agree with someone's certain opinions, then apparently I am not a real gamer.

I'm interested in getting a Bone, but MS need to shut up and create a powerhouse, cause right now, all I see myself getting is a 1 year of Live card, while I wait on the Bone to evolve through 2014.

For now, PS4 and PC(Maxwell upgrade) for 2014.
zero_gamer  +   888d ago
I am not sucking up to a multi-billion dollar corporation just to play a video game. MS screwed up beyond much hope of recovery. First impressions are hard to erase.

How is that for a real gamer?
Loadedklip  +   888d ago
thetruthx1 must have missed the memo when Microsoft was telling everyone to "Deal with it" regarding their policies. It wasn't until the preorders for PS4 were kicking XB1s butt that Microsoft started to change their tune. I normally buy all systems .. this will be the first time in a long time in three generations I only get two of the big three. PS4 and Wii U for me.
MizTv  +   888d ago
That's just a bad joke
ShwankyShpanky  +   888d ago
Real suckers and masochists forgive you Microsoft seeing how you backtracked on most of your ridiculous ideas before most of them went into effect.

kenshiro100  +   888d ago
What a laughable comment you have there. So only Sony 'fanboys' were the ones against the crap Microsoft tried to pull?

Drugs aren't good for you mmkay?
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cell989  +   888d ago
Those "Sony fanboys" saved your beloved system from total disaster, and helped make Microsoft pull a bunch of180s' changes that will make your xbone experience much better, you ungrateful pri**
Clunkyd  +   888d ago

Youre delusional
blackbeld  +   888d ago

I never see somebody gets so much disagrees on N4G in my life.

But you still managed to have two bubbles is amazing.

96 agree / 421 disagrees and still counting. I supposed 24 hours later you only have 1 bubble left.
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solidjun5  +   888d ago
I'm hoping the delusional troll gets only 1 bubble. 2 bubbles is far too much for him.
SegataSanshiro  +   888d ago
Holy Jesus i have never seen this many disagrees on any comment in this site
leahcim  +   888d ago
lol the bubbles!
USMC_POLICE  +   888d ago
No real gamers have all systems and stopped supporting ms because they realized the shady practices they were trying and how they were ripping off there customers.....fanboys won't care they will buy that system and that system only.
Enigma_2099  +   888d ago
After spending an entire console "generation" beating down Sony supporters over a botched PS3 launch, you wanna talk about people not letting something go?
Deadpoolio  +   888d ago
No real gamers don't just slide down on a company's shaft the minute they change something because they saw how pathetic their launch was going to be otherwise...

Real gamers are still actually leery about these douche nozzles, and aren't just jumping to give them money after all that
GT67  +   888d ago
7 day lead for ps4 with in those 7 days HELL be on earth.

im betting "win,place an show" on PS4 at the finishline.
2pacalypsenow  +   888d ago
"Real gamers forgive you Microsoft seeing how you fixed the problems before they even went into effect.

Only Sony fanboys that were never gonna get the Xbox One still love to complain"

Something a Xbox fanboy says
rainslacker  +   888d ago no point did MS actually say they were sorry. All Major Neilson said was that they really care about the community.

Otherwise I don't think there is anything to forgive. They have no obligation to us whatsoever, just as I have no obligation to spend my money on their products. All saying they're sorry does is show a bit of humility, and show's that they understand why people were actually upset instead of just making excuses like it wasn't really a bad thing.
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solidjun5  +   888d ago
I'm sure everyone have bubbled you down. Why are you still with 2 bubbles?
Orionsangel  +   888d ago
I was very loyal to Sony with PS1 and PS2 through out their lifespans. Then the PS3 was announced at $700 dollars. That's when I jumped ship and bought the Xbox 360. I wanted to punish Sony for their greediness. I didn't buy a PS3 till the slime model. Now I'm punishing MS. I'm not buying Xbox One unil they get their shit together. I'm getting the PS4 first. So there you have it. I'm a fan of the company that gives me the best price and doesn't get greedy and try to shove hidden crap down my throat.
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mistertwoturbo  +   888d ago
So wait... Microsoft was ready to nail you guys in the rear, but you're blaming Sony Fanboys?

georgenancy  +   888d ago
holy molly 560 dislikes! good job with the trolling
trancefreak  +   888d ago
Someone get me a tissue. I am feeling a little choked up. /S Bwhahaa
No Way  +   888d ago
564 disagrees? ... I have NEVER seen so many before.
Ezz2013  +   887d ago

comments like your's are the reason why microsoft done tons of wrong things and got away with it
YNWA96  +   889d ago
I had my mind made up before reveals... Both of them... I already know that MS can be a huge nasty corporate money hungry company, that makes a great console. When they announced X1, DRM did not affect me as I buy everything I own as new, always online, and being far from most of my family, kinect and skype suits me. Also, I knew I wanted PS4, even though before, Sony acted like a huge nasty corporate money hungry company that took me for granted after owning 3 ps1, 2 ps2's because they make a great console. MS are money driven, but so are Sony. This time Sony maybe perfected PR, but once out there, shareholders there too will be wanting maximum return....but just enjoy gaming....
FanOfRootBeer  +   888d ago exactly did they take you for granted?
ABeastNamedTariq  +   889d ago
Hmm. Genuine + Microsoft = ????

I kid, I kid. But boy did I hate that DRM. Still, they're getting better with PR, I guess. That's good.
adorie  +   888d ago
They need to stop the PR crap and just focus on their launch. MS aren't going to have it easy this gen. PR won't do anything for them, they need to focus on what they do best, spend money and secure those timed exclusives.

They should also look into funding more first party exclusives. Forza 5 is looking like their best with K.I right behind it. Titan Fall is 3rd party-timed, but alas it's still something else it has going for it.
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jhoward585  +   889d ago
You're forgiven MS.

Now take $100 off the Xbox one and we'll forget about all the shady business practices you've done with us for years.
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Albie360  +   889d ago
Would take more than a 100 dollars.
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Benchm4rk  +   889d ago
Next step is to get rid of the stupid day one patch or put it on a disc and include it in the box. People who don't have the net might find it a hassle to take the Xbox somewhere and hook it up to the net to get the patch rather than just taking it home and enjoying some games
Chris12  +   889d ago
Do you honestly believe the PS4 won't have a day 1 update?
Benchm4rk  +   889d ago
It may very well have one. Thing is it won't be a requirement for the console to function. The Xbox one will not work unless you connect to the net and download the update
Chris12  +   888d ago
You absolutely do not know that. We know PS4's are rolling off the production line right now, so are you suggesting they already have a fully functioning OS on board? Logic says that is highly unlikely.
Benchm4rk  +   888d ago
Sorry but history shows other wise. Agreed this gen is a totally different ball game then previous ones but I'm pretty confident that Sony will not put a console on the market with a required update on day one. Not after all the shit they have given MS about the need to connect online. Time will tell though
Chris12  +   888d ago
As you say, time will tell. Today's machines are more complicated than last gen and Sony had more time to prepare for a release with the PS3. If their OS were complete today I think we would know about it. I'm not bothered because like the vast majority I have Internet, but it shouldn't be assumed an OS update won't be required on day 1.
rainslacker  +   888d ago
I'm not sure about the PS3, but I know some of the older PSP games had the minimum version of the hardware flash on the UMD itself. Otherwise, to date, even before automatic updates, I don't ever recall a disc saying that I needed to upgrade the flash in order for it to work on the PS3 except for going online, in which case you'd likely be connected anyways.

I'm actually rather curious now about what happens if a game requires a never version of the hardware. Anyone ever hear of an instance where a game wouldn't work because of this?
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sic_chops  +   888d ago
People with no Internet should definitely stay away from the Xbox done.
Benchm4rk  +   888d ago
Yes and no. People with no access whatsoever should stay away from it unless they put a patch on a disc and include it in the box. My brother has already paid for his Xbox one and he has no internet. He is just bringing it over to my house and using mine to download the patch and then taking it home. A slight inconvenience but still one that can be avoided
ExPresident  +   889d ago
Easy to beg for forgiveness and apologize when it didn't go the way they planned. Consumers won and that's the most important thing. What else did we expect them to do.... Say they aren't sorry for crappy policy? Microsoft knows they screwed up and now they have to go through all the motions to earn customers back. Sadly all they are going to so is slowly introduce those same crappy policies slowly over time since doing it all at once didnt work out.

It's a shame because I'd like to play a few of their titles but I won't support that kind of company.
cabbitwithscissors  +   889d ago
Sorry seriously ? I don't see Ballmer saying anything with the words sorry.

And if they want gamers to feel sorry for them maybe they need to just show it oooh maybe for the next 3-5 years or so, then maybe we'll see if they really mean it.
mafiahajeri  +   889d ago
It would be hilarious if after launch they brought back all the policies everybody loved so much... ;)
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Jughead3416  +   889d ago
When you lose your core audience so early on, it's really difficult to get them back. Sony to this point has had a near flawless PS4 launch. They've spoken directly to gamers that they have our best interests in mind in everything they do. Sony has the better gaming machine. Sony has more launch games when you include all the Indie and FTP titles, and they're $100 cheaper. Microsoft needed to be great to compete with Sony. They were terrible in the beginning and just ok now. The pre-order numbers tell it all.
jairusmonillas  +   889d ago
Xbox fans are in for rude awakening.

This is not like 360 vs ps3 anymore. PS3 is not $600 anymore, PS3 is not using the complicated cell anymore. PS3 is not 1 year late anymore.

If you really think PS4 is going to lose to xbox 1. you are in for a rude awakening.
ZBlacktt  +   889d ago
Even with all that the PS3 still outsold the XBox.
LogicStomper  +   889d ago
So your point is?
Picnic  +   888d ago
Absolutely agreed - but the horse that finishes in first place doesn't necessarily give the only ride in that race worth having.
ZBlacktt  +   888d ago
History says different:

PS1 second best selling console of all time

PS2 Best selling console of all time.

PS3 Out sold XBox 360 with a full year later launch and without a worldwide launch. All of Europe didn't see the PS3 until 2007.
Niv  +   889d ago
Correct me, but did we receive an apology from Microsoft?
deadie  +   888d ago
kenshiro100  +   888d ago
That's the funniest thing. The day Microsoft apologizes is the day I sell my yea, they'll never apologize.
AllroundGamer  +   889d ago
this comes to my mind :D -
iMixMasTer872   888d ago | Spam
DJMarty  +   889d ago

Damage Control for the million and 1 U-turns:)

Bit late mind

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NateCole  +   889d ago
So they knew all along that they were treating their fans like shit and were arrogant about it.

They are only sorry now that gamers didn't put up with their shit.

Xbox fans don't know that PS fans were just as afraid of what MS tried to do for one main reason. Precedence.

If MS have succeed with their bullshit policies it would have been the end of console gaming as we know it and would have affected PS fans as well. Thank God for Sony for siding with gamers and using common sense.

Sony E3 2013 press conference will be remembered as the day Sony gave the gaming industry back to gamers. When Jack announced that PS4 will work just the same as the PS3 regarding second hand games i knew then that gamers have won.

Leading up to E3 what was on every gamers mind was MS stupid policies and the slow death of console gaming and all eyes were on Sony for some hope. Man they did not disappoint.
Roper316  +   888d ago
" Xbox fans don't know that PS fans were just as afraid of what MS tried to do for one main reason. Precedence.

Exactly and I couldn't agree more. just like making pay to play online the norm in order to compete. At least Sony didn't follow suit by charging for free apps, F2P games & to use things like Netflix like MS does.

The people still supporting MS probably have mommy & daddy footing the bill for them. When you're spending your own hard earned money you don't want to be told you don't own what you buy and wouldn't just shrug off the fact that they tried to do that to you in the 1st place.
SynestheticRoar  +   889d ago
Microsoft is SORRY.
ShinnokDrako  +   889d ago
I don't care if they're sorry after all their crap of these months. I won't buy an Xbox1. Usually i buy both the consoles, but not this time. Maybe because Microsoft itself and its fanboys made me become a Sony fanboy =P (i'm joking, besides the fact i get only the PS4).
TheGrimReaper0011  +   889d ago
I cant be the only one who thought of this XD
level 360  +   889d ago
Microsoft left me not trusting/believing their ideas and very highly doubtful of the greedy intent they are imposing on gamers'.

It really is such a bitter taste.

I was the very first ones to switch from my PS1 to the original XBox when it was in competition with the almighty PS2 which I didn't buy.

And also got myself an XBox360 first and foremost before getting a PS3 which I only got for free which was bundled to the Sony HD screen that I bought.

The PS3 did change my perception in a big way about *progressive gaming.

So this time around I will only get a PS4.
TheFutureIsBlue  +   889d ago
Microsoft "We are so sorry...please buy our console!" No thanks. You are going to be remembered from years on for all this bs you tried pulling.
True_Samurai  +   889d ago
On the real I really really don't give a FCK. My X1 is paid off and I'm ready to freaking game. You're not my friend, gf, etc. I get your console you get my money win win situation. You showed me what it can do and the games to come with it that's all I need. If you want to apologize go ahead it takes courage to admit what you've been doing to us. But still at the end I don't care cause all I want to do is hang with friends, graduate from college, xbone my girl, and play my freaking games!!..... Had to get that off my chest.
_LarZen_  +   889d ago
It's funny when people say they don't trust Microsoft anymore and have jumped over to the competition that is the Playstation.

When Sony and the Playstation is the company that had one of the biggest internet security scandals in history. And a company that changed PS3 functionality AFTER it came out.

And people say they cant trust Microsoft...a company that have done all it can to turn the ship around. And mainly because of consumer feedback.

What do that say about the consumers that click dislike or comment negative on every chance they get? I don't know about you, but I really really do not like those people.
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Imalwaysright  +   888d ago
I clicked disagree.

1st because you remind me of the politicians in my country that speak about the competition in order to defend their agendas. In this case you're defending MS.

2nd Because Sony apologised for their mistakes while MS called me stupid.
_LarZen_  +   888d ago
I see no reason not to "defend" Microsoft. I think everything they have done to turn around this PR disaster is good. And they are doing all the right things.

MS did not call you stupid, again it was horrible PR from MS. But they never called you stupid.

I think most people going appeshit about this are taking it way out of proportion and the result of it for me personally I that I have a bad taste about getting my PS4.

Not because Sony is doing anything wrong but because of infantile consumers infesting every article with their bullshit.

Acting like MS did all of this to screw them over and that they are "evil". And that this is personal and one can never forgive.

I find that a load of bullshit.

Why in God's name would a company like MS make something like that to screw over gamers. It's not like they have global domination and can do whatever they want to and we all have to fall in line.

Consumers actually think like that can hardly be intelligent human beings.

MS had a vision they thought would be a good solution and something that would work in the years ahead. They may have been a little to strict with some of the parts like online verification every 24h etc.

But it's a vision that is more or less already here on PC and something that will have evolved much this coming console generation.

So all this MS is "evil" and tried to destroy our gaming hobby. And we can never forgive them and so on.

Is just bullshit from dumb consumers. That most probably have all time been hardcore fanboys on either Sony of Microsoft.

And that now have either changed "alliance" or have sticked with Sony. And are like they have in all time infested the web with their bullshit.

This time most of them have moved over to one platform, the PS4. So now the shitstorm that has been divided on two systems have made camp on the PS4 side.

It's braindead brand loyalists that are a disgrace to every gamer out there. Everyone that is not a brand loyalist hate those people.

I hate them, everyone I know hate them. They are digital trash.
RandomSlay3er  +   888d ago
How oblivious are you?

Saying that Playstation had the "biggest internet scandals in history" is inaccurate. A huge cyber security hacking corperation had caused it. "Scandal" is an inaccurate word because Sony hadn't caused the situation to occur.

Also, Microsoft and other big corporations care about SALES not necessarily about consumers. That goes for Sony, too. Saying that a company who tried to gain more money by adding DRM and other really unnecessary
functions actually cares about consumers is childish thinking.

Every time a companies product gets hit, those companies get cocky and try getting more money out of consumers. This happened with Ps2 and Ps3 and right now is occurring with xbox360 and xbox1

I am not a fanboy. I supported sony when the Ps2 came out and supported microsoft for the 360, but as of right now I am supporting sony because a) Its cheaper
b) It doesnt include kinect and c) PS+ gives me more of what I want for a cheaper price.
_LarZen_  +   888d ago
It was an example to all the people saying they "cant trust MS anymore". When the company they now cling on to have had one of the biggest security breaches in history.

It was Sony's fault not to protect everyone's online information. That said it was also the result of criminal activity.

But still it's Sony's responsibility to protect that information.

I don't believe Microsoft added those features just do earn more money. I think they did it to protect the developers and to make a system that consumers would like.

They failed, and/or they failed to deliver the message/vision on how it would be to the consumers.

And as I see it MS with all their capital could easely just have said no to changing anything. People would still buy it because of the games.

They sure have the money to go trough with something like that.

But they did not, they saw what happened and how the consumers reacted. And in the end they did what I see as a bold and humble move to change everything we as costumers did not like.

That is not weakness in my eyes.

The reasons you have for not buying a XBO I understand and I respect them.
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topgeareasy  +   889d ago
they had any?

Supermax  +   888d ago
Microsolft could make a lot of it up by throwing bf4 or cod in for free for North America,you need to reward the base that keeps you afloat.
Picnic  +   888d ago
Let's look at people's complaints about DRM:

Argument: 'It's my game and I'll sell it if I want to'.

Defence of Microsoft- They AGREED with you. Everybody knows that you can buy a game and find that you don't like it. So they were going to make it so that you could sell a physical copy once. But after that? Why should the games industry support what, in theory, could potentially turn in to an infinite consumption of just one copy of a game?
In THEORY, just one copy of every game could be sold and then immediately sold on to every single person interested in playing it. The games industry would be annihilated. Whilst that's an extreme and clearly unlikely example, the principle is clear- every resale of a second hand game is potentially the loss of the purchase of a new copy of that game.

Of course this affects other entertainment as well like books and films. But they're different in that a book costs nothing more than the time and imagination of the author and the simple raw material of paper and publishing / promotional costs. And a book doesn't necessarily go out of fashion just because it hasn't got the latest font technology - it might even sell more copies than it originally did many years down the line. Similarly a film doesn't just rely in initial cinema viewings - it can make money from Blurays / DVDs and TV station viewings. But, still, the film makers need to know that no-one is pirating the original cinema showing because that could indefinitely eat in to whether it makes a profit.

A game might have several millions of pounds to recoup. So for the sake of saving a few pounds by buying second hand you're not going to give any money to the games makers themselves?

Plus, Microsoft are apparently considering letting you buy a game digitally and then sell it digitally. I imagine they'd consider charging a fee for the privilege - or even setting a minimum price so that top games don't end up selling for peanuts - but imagine the savings that you'd make there. And as potentially destructive as that might sound to the games industry if it is not controlled as stated, at least gamesmakers might get some of that fee from Microsoft.
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nugnugs  +   888d ago
The last paragraph tells its own story
"apparently considering letting you buy a game digitally and then sell it"
Apparently AND considering in one sentence. That doesn't fill me with confidence.
Picnic  +   888d ago
Don't be confident then. And don't have an Xbox One in your house.
TenBensons  +   888d ago
This whole next gen console cycle has proved why brand loyalty/fanboyism is a flawed state of mind.

MS tried very hard to stab me in the back multiple times, by controlling what I am able to do as a consumer. It will be a long time before I put any more money into the xbox brand, they have lost my trust and as a result lost my investment.

Now the thing is is that if they truly believed that their vision for xbox one was right, then surely they would have stuck to their guns and shown me why and how it was a superior concept and machine. The flip flop of policy change from MS is very telling, they knew the reaction to XB1 was bad and instead of sticking to their vision they started chasing the dollars, who knows what they might do after the XB1 launch. This didnt regain my trust and therefore I still will not re-invest.

I wanted the XB1 to be a success, I have enjoyed many years of gaming on the original xbox and the 360 and I would have liked to continue the journey onto the next gen but MS have shown me that they do not care about my hobby any more.

Sony, however have shown me that they care about Games. They care about Gamers. They care about developers. They are not trying to restrict or control what I do as a consumer. They have gained my trust and therefore gained my investment for the foreseeable future.

Im not a fanboy, it could have gone a either way and Sony could have followed MS down this road. In fact before E3 I was sure that this would have been the first generation of consoles that I would not have invested in and stuck to the wonderful (yet often frustrating) world of PC gaming. Im glad this has not happened and Sony gave me an option to continue console gaming, Im not loyal to them but I feel they are doing a lot to make my investment worthwhile.

My apologies for the wall of text.
XabiDaChosenOne  +   888d ago
What does Microsoft need to apologize for (read the article and they actual didn't) they have fanboys like nukeitall and thetruth lapping up everything the spew out of there mouths.
strigoi814  +   888d ago
I never read or watched a video where Major Nelson or any Microsoft employee said "we are sorry" all are just xbox loyalist/fan journalist making the articles that MS did all 180 for their fans...
SITH  +   888d ago
Nothing to forgive. I am happy with where the Xbox one was going and still am with the changes.
deadie  +   888d ago
Wow - Totally oblivious. It really doesnt matter to you eh?

Im impressed. They could have sold you a bag of poo & youd like it.
SITH  +   888d ago
I love you fanboys. You made your choice and I don't give a damn, I make mine, and suddenly everyone looses their mind. You are pathetically predictable to a fault! I tell you what, when you start making my money for me, you can have a say in what I buy. Till then STFU and ask for permission before you speak to me.
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robotgargoyle  +   888d ago
The thing is-the xbox one is not a bag of poo despite your irrational analogy. It's a gaming console- not just a cable box, not just a bluray player. It will have awesome games. Yes. Will they be better than Sony's games? "Enter opinion here". Doesn't matter.

Pepsi is cheaper than Coke generally, it's sweeter too. I'll buy the Coca Cola every time, not because it's "better", only because I like it more.

I respect that you like your "Pepsi/ps4".
deadie  +   888d ago

You said it yourself - it really doesn't matter what Microsoft does. You'd buy it anyway. The pure definition of "fan-boy" right there. ;)

Btw - Why would i ask for permission on a public forum. ?
SITH  +   888d ago
You poor little kid, fanboy is a broad term. But it in no way denotes a loyal customer who wants to simply play games with his friends, maintain his Xbox live account he built since beta, increase his achievement count, and play amazing exclusives and does not give a damn what any other gamer buys. That is what I am and my comment history clearly depicts that. Your pathetic attempt to define me and put me on your level is the result of immaturity and and degree of unease with your own gaming choice. I am content in my purchase. I am content with what ever the heck you want... you are butt hurt over what I want and your comment history proves my point exactly. And last I checked... Microsoft has done absolutely nothing. They simply failed to implement a plan, and altered their plan resulting in what exists today. In other words nothing to forgive. Now harm no foul. Get it now high speed. Does that register through that firewall of butt hurt fanboy you have erected to protect your feelings about Xbox. In your own words, "tried to screw us gamers." You and the rest of the oblivious like you on these forums have no clue where gaming is going. Hint, it inevitably will end up just like Microsoft tried to implement they were simply ahead of their time for consoles and right in the middle state of where PC gaming is at. They underestimated ypu kiddies wallets, and your time. they underestimated your apparently weak ass unstable internet connections.
You will inevitably download your games, and trading games will die. PC gamers should be more receptive to that given that is just what we do. It is cheaper, it is quicker, and it does not require waiting in line late at night for a game's release. Point is, get over yourself there is more things in this world besides a gaming console that will literally try to screw you over. Only someone with a limited exposure to the world would come to the conclusion a game console was going to interrupt their special little life.

Ask permission because your stupidity should be regulated. And children should speak to adults when given permission.
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PositiveEmotions  +   888d ago
I for one dont trust ms still and ms still being cocky and i dont think their confedent (how ever you spell it) on their console all tho i do give them credit for not being rude to their consumers
gamertk421  +   888d ago
People will get second jobs in order to afford a Playstation 3

-Sony, circa 2005

I can understand why so many of you hate Microsoft right now, since I still detest Sony for the PS3 and all they said about it back around launch...
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BlaqMagiq24  +   888d ago
Is there a point to your comment? Or are you on here to bash Sony like usual?
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kenshiro100  +   888d ago
That doesn't excuse Microsoft from what they did, sorry.
iceman06  +   888d ago
So, because of a little marketing hubris/humor, you detest Sony? Yet, fall in love with a company that charges you for basic functions on their console? Yeah, that makes total sense.
I don't have a problem with whatever console that anybody wants. Your money...your decision. Just don't use something as petty as a statement...not an ACTION...but a statement as complete justification. It's a bit sad really.
Ketzicorn  +   888d ago
So if you don't like it buy a 360 and Deal with It are okay but the 2nd job comment wasn't. Makes sense.
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