"Ever since Quiet, one of the new characters in the Metal Gear Solid lore, was revealed via the controversial E3 2013 trailer, certain people and even hardcore fans have questioned whether the female character design in MGS5 is overly sexist."
Was just talking about this on twitter and love this quote from @helixsundown "uh-oh, a Japanese guy designed a video game character showing lots of skin, we'd better get mad so girls will like us"
IRL: Soldiers don't dress like most of the characters in MGS. This is another case of femnazis and self loathing beta males seeing a problem where there isn't one, and creating a problem where there wasn't one. Also, if Quiet's character design is sexist, then sexism is great.
It's so disgusting how people are quick to say sexy or revealing characters means the developer is behaving sexist. People who think that have no understand of what sexism really is at all and worse yet they only succeed in undermining true claims of sexism.
Freedom & Liberty for Women to show Skin !!!
it's not like the Metal Gear Solid franchise has ever represented ultra realism anyways. and that's far from a knock on MGS, because the franchise is awesome as a whole. it's just not trying to be realistic, which is fine. not every game has to be.
MGS hardly takes itself as serious as people think it does. If it's trying to be realistic, it does a terrible job at it, especially if this new character is any indication. No female soldier would dress like that, so pointing out the obvious is hardly a shot at MGS.
What's wrong with being sexy?
I think its funny how there comparing how a female soldier looks. She isn't a regular soldier. I expect she is a mercinary or some sort of special contract killer. And she is in a desert chillin out long distance away sniping people away. She is just wearing a bikini like you do at the beach. And probly getting a good tan. No need for armor when your a very good sniper. Because if you are detected its more likely from another sniper. And if you get sniped by him armor won't help your dead any ways.
lol "What female soldiers really look like" ...douchebag of the day.
How the fuq would a Battlefied designer know anything about what a female soldier looks like? The Metal Gear Solid universe gave us female characters such as: Mei Ling Olga Meryl Naomi Hunter The Haven Troopers from MSG4: All female Squad Eva/Big Mama Olga E.E Otacon's sister Sniper Wolf Laughing Octopus Screaming Mantis Crying Wolf Raging Raven Sunny THE BOSS...MSG3 who in my opinion is the strongest female character portrayed in a video game EVER. Every single one of these characters have further advance the presence of women in video games. Can anyone name me which female characters have Battlefied brought a spotlight to? Dont' worry, I'll wait...!
@aggeson... Nigel, how i've missed you...
Its funny how people love to talk about females being 'exploited' based on their physical appearance. Yet when guys are 'exploited' based on their physical appearance, nobody says anything... http://i.telegraph.co.uk/mu...
So MGS is now about realism? Are these other developers so fearful they have to resort to unprofessional and public critiques concerning the work of a man they can never hope to emulate. Pathetic, unnecessary, and wrought with sophomoric jealousy. It is amazing how many pretend journalists as well as gamers are showing their ignorance of the history of the Metal Gear franchise. They believe this is a change in Kojimas norm designed to draw more buyers. Laughable and incorrect. Proof that noobs can indeed ruin a game.
It's NOT sexist. It pisses me off to no end that overtly sexualized women in video games are so often looked upon as a form of sexism. It is, however, an indication that developers would rather sell sex than preserve their artistic integrity. That's the real issue here...
People are forgetting that first and foremost, MGS5 is still a video game! you know, as in fantasy and FUN and not REEEAAAL! so why not toss sexy females in the military?? it certainly makes the game more enjoyable, rather than a sausage fest which you will see in real life in the military that I doubt 90% of us would even want to be apart of right?? Kojima knows this, which is why his MGS characters have always been pretty awesome in a sense of them having their own unique looks and features! How is this even considered sexist?? have you seen what girls wear during the summer these days!? almost the same look! lol! which I love btw ;-)
MGS characters have always been designed this way. I don't know why some idiots make a fuss about it. Women characters in MGS universe are strong willed and never take crap from anyone.
Kojima wants you to look. Then he will smack you with a curveball while you are staring. That is the Kojima way. Call it whatever you want. Kojima builds characters in his games that play real roles. Quiet will be more than just quiet in the game. Sexism would mean he is not utilizing her mind or character in any other way than to promote sex and that is never the Kojima way in all the games I have played from him. :)
Dat designer, i mean sissy, must be new to J-VG.
MGS have had some pretty extreme designs in the past. If they wanna judge Kojima and his designers, then fine go ahead. What has DICE ever done for original design? Dubstep and orange streaks? Don't make me laugh :P
Yeah, and all soldiers are built like Rambo, or Dutch, walking around with their shirts off. Oh, pluh-eze; that's the same thing. Why don't they talk about how space battles are flawed by design, or how Wolfenstein is fake, or how in Battlefield, your machine-guns are worthless against tanks.
with mech-like character and seeing raiden cut through things with a pulse blade, makes me wonder how someone can compare real-life soldiers with a universe with freaking RAIDEN in it!!! "what female soliders don't look like" IN REAL LIFE!!!! this is a game and a bit sci-fi at that too! I don't want to see some regular unoriginal characters in MGS. In battlefield, everyone got to be equal for balance purposes, but not MGS.
yep its like anytime someone else do something different its a problem.. some time i wonder why the media is like this blaming video games for everything wrong in society and now i know video game developers dissing each other over bullshit like this then no wonder NBC and FOX5 and the rest of the so called idiots we called journalist always use games for scape goat the video game community yes you who me? yes you you're all doing the same thing by making a big deal out of nothing and giving those idiots fuel to burn you later on down the road you just wait Video games is a form of expression its a artist with is brush, its not suppose to be control and limited to this and that its a escape from the real world who cares what real solders look like aren't they the same ones complaining about how video games are becoming too violent and real
Having a woman showing some skin is far from original.
Jayjayff + 11h ago Having a woman showing some skin is far from original. I could say the same thing about many American movies too but i don't see anyone from other countries complaining about that now do we
I actually have a question for anyone outraged by Kojima's choice of "clothing" for Quiet. Which are you more outraged by? Her lack of clothing or that she could pretty much be a mute and unable to give voice to a personality? I guess we value a characters fashion sense over their ability to express themselves vocally right? This all goes back to the dont judge a woman by what she wears, but on the merit of her actions.
The girl can be a rocket scientist with an amazing personality, but if she's walking around in a bikini top looking like a tramp, it would be hard to take her seriously. Naomi, Sniper Wolf, Eva, The Boss, all showed a bit of cleavage but it wasn't over the top. Quite looks like shes ready for a day at the beach rather than in a warzone.
@Number-Nine "The girl can be a rocket scientist with an amazing personality, but if she's walking around in a bikini top looking like a tramp, it would be hard to take her seriously." So you wouldn't take a rocket scientist who is easily more intelligent than you and I combined seriously... If she wore a bikini in public? Your claiming that intelligence has a specific face to it when that is clearly false. That sort of viewpoint is a stereotype, and may I remind you that gamers once had a very similar stereotype which still hasn't completely phased out.
I don't like it. I hate it when a developer goes too far when "sexifying" a character. MGS always tried to make the females a tad bit erotic but seemed to do it in a respectable way. Quiet's character model just goes far and beyond what it needs to be. It's just too...pervy. This is the same thing what Square Enix is doing with Lightening. I guess every female game character must have big tits now. Just unnecessary in my book.
Have you even played MGS4? You could make the bosses pose like centerfolds just by wipping out a camera. Anyone thinking video games have a problem while ignoring real womens issues is a tool. If you don't like it don' buy it. While you're at it boycott NBC, ABC, MTV, Lifetime, Coke, Pepsi, Sports illustated, Maxim, Cartoon Network, PETA. Harley Davidson, UFC, GMC, Toyota, Ford, NFL, MLB, NBA, the list goes on forever. All those have shown real women with less on.
Even one of Halo 4's designers said Kojima's design was disgusting. Eh hello! Cortana anybody? http://assets2.ignimgs.com/... http://i.imgur.com/wYwV2.jp...
They are a bunch of idiots really,imagine how they would argue about Samus without her gear !? She's sexy as hell without it,guess Nintendo is SOOOO EVIL AND SEXIST TOO ??? Bunch of babies trying to sound cool when they come off as douchebags.
Well said my friend. Thanks for the quote.
I've seen pictures of military women posing in about just as many clothes. You can't say that NO women in the military can be attractive. That is just as arrogant. Some women can be tough and beautiful. This is just a random character in a video game. People are making way too big a deal about this.
Agreed. This whole thing has been blown out of proportion. So now developers are to be denied the freedom to express themselves? I am failing to grasp how having an overtly sexualized character in a game is suddenly demeaning to women everywhere. The universe that these characters inhabit is fictional and is not supposed to be representative of an actual battlefield. If I not mistaken, Kojima is attempting to create a perverse and alien, but oddly familiar canvas. If that makes any sense... Tru_
The Battlefield guy is an idiot. /thread
These people don't realize that MGS isn't 100% realistic, never was. That's the captivating level of it that they can never achieve. This is one of the few last Japanese franchises that can elevate beyond most western IP's. So now they want to take shots at it as much as they can to shut Japanese games down. I don't want total realism, that's boring to me. These are video games, we want variety dammit, not the same crap every year that western devs are churning out. Ever since I played MGS 1, I think of it almost EVERYDAY and that was 15 years ago!
Haven't he played any MGS before? This is spected from Kojima, he does not goes by the standars and MGS always have had some degree of fantasy and cyber punk.
At this point, I really just think Kojima deliberately did this (as the troll that he is) just to drum up controversy so people will start talking about MGS5 again, lol. As if Kojima really didn't know this would happen. Yeah right!
I'm pretty sure he said he wanted something with sex-appeal for the cosplayers.
this outcry at E3 when they presented it at Microsoft's press conference? She had the exact same skin model then as she does now. Must have really been a slow week of gaming news.
First the VA, now this. Kojima can do better
you mean when he kept saying sorry ?, Ive seen a lot of my quieter friends do that so i dont see the issue there, on account of this stupid controversy its stupid its been blown way out of proportion. I wonder what a female would say about this.
Luckily for her she lives in another universe and is unperturbed by all of this. She has most likely a reason for how she dress.
She does but thats not enough for the Herd.
Yea, I'm sure she is capable of thinking. She is a real live human after all, not a thing created by a human mind. If people want a reason as to why her clothes are the way they are, ask the creators.
Battlefield devs always take a shot at other games... but that's what happens when you work for a company like EA.
I remember my teacher told me about a friend that worked for EA place sounded like some sort of Camp. Beds in the hallways FTW
That's probably a common practice. I've seen tons of guys in game development sleep in their cubicles, in their offices, oftentimes directly on the floor or in their chairs. Lots of overtime out of pure passion (and meeting those fucking deadlines)
Because the fury, the end, Vulcan raven and any other amount of MGS bosses were so realistic. Skynet says raiden " what cyborgs don't look like" It's a fantasy game in ways so if that's what she looks like that's that. Get over it!
I seriously don't get it. It's like they forgot how unrealistic the MGS games can be. And any attractive attire is sexist. I guess I should go around Miami covering up all the girls in bikinis. I'll stake-out gyms and make sure all sports bras are covered. People piss me off...
"I seriously don't get it. It's like they forgot how unrealistic the MGS games can be." So that means any sense of class and decency goes out the window because it's "unrealistic"? Yeah, that makes perfect logical sense, doesn't it? "And any attractive attire is sexist" No, Hicken. There's a big difference between attractive attire and slutty/sexist attire and attire that is fitted/made for a specific occasion, like swimming and exercising and modesty can be applied to both of those as well, not that you would know the difference. Gotta try harder. Your own logic can be used against you; your stance is hypocritical.
I don't care what female soldiers look like. And not every game is supposed to be 100% realistic.
maybe she uses her sexiness to lure males to their deaths :/
I'd have a piece of that and gladly die.
Ohh you :D
lol DEMIZE99 your Game SUCKS Battlefield is DEAD
Ya...dead...BF3 sold 8 million copies in one month alone. And BF4 is one of the most talked about next gen games. Sour grapes for you.