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Submitted by Rashid Sayed 474d ago | news

Battlefield 4 Designer Takes Shot at MGS 5's Quiet: "What Female Soliders Don't Look Like"

"Ever since Quiet, one of the new characters in the Metal Gear Solid lore, was revealed via the controversial E3 2013 trailer, certain people and even hardcore fans have questioned whether the female character design in MGS5 is overly sexist." (Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain, PS3, PS4, Xbox 360, Xbox One)

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wynams  +   474d ago | Well said
Was just talking about this on twitter and love this quote from @helixsundown

"uh-oh, a Japanese guy designed a video game character showing lots of skin, we'd better get mad so girls will like us"
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Anthotis  +   474d ago | Well said
IRL: Soldiers don't dress like most of the characters in MGS.

This is another case of femnazis and self loathing beta males seeing a problem where there isn't one, and creating a problem where there wasn't one.

Also, if Quiet's character design is sexist, then sexism is great.
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cleft5  +   474d ago
It's so disgusting how people are quick to say sexy or revealing characters means the developer is behaving sexist. People who think that have no understand of what sexism really is at all and worse yet they only succeed in undermining true claims of sexism.
GreatGamePlay  +   474d ago
Freedom & Liberty for Women to show Skin !!!
mattdillahunty  +   474d ago
it's not like the Metal Gear Solid franchise has ever represented ultra realism anyways. and that's far from a knock on MGS, because the franchise is awesome as a whole. it's just not trying to be realistic, which is fine. not every game has to be.
Enemy  +   474d ago
MGS hardly takes itself as serious as people think it does. If it's trying to be realistic, it does a terrible job at it, especially if this new character is any indication. No female soldier would dress like that, so pointing out the obvious is hardly a shot at MGS.
Aggesan  +   474d ago
What's wrong with being sexy?
Shadonic  +   474d ago
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!
N4GDgAPc  +   474d ago
I think its funny how there comparing how a female soldier looks. She isn't a regular soldier. I expect she is a mercinary or some sort of special contract killer.

And she is in a desert chillin out long distance away sniping people away. She is just wearing a bikini like you do at the beach. And probly getting a good tan. No need for armor when your a very good sniper. Because if you are detected its more likely from another sniper. And if you get sniped by him armor won't help your dead any ways.
ZodTheRipper  +   474d ago
lol "What female soldiers really look like" ...douchebag of the day.
Cupid_Viper_3  +   474d ago | Well said
How the fuq would a Battlefied designer know anything about what a female soldier looks like?

The Metal Gear Solid universe gave us female characters such as:

Mei Ling
Olga
Meryl
Naomi Hunter
The Haven Troopers from MSG4: All female Squad
Eva/Big Mama
Olga
E.E Otacon's sister
Sniper Wolf
Laughing Octopus
Screaming Mantis
Crying Wolf
Raging Raven
Sunny
THE BOSS...MSG3 who in my opinion is the strongest female character portrayed in a video game EVER.

Every single one of these characters have further advance the presence of women in video games.

Can anyone name me which female characters have Battlefied brought a spotlight to?

Dont' worry, I'll wait...!
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Kleptic  +   474d ago
@aggeson...

Nigel, how i've missed you...
Wenis  +   474d ago
Its funny how people love to talk about females being 'exploited' based on their physical appearance. Yet when guys are 'exploited' based on their physical appearance, nobody says anything...

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/mu...
morganfell  +   474d ago
So MGS is now about realism? Are these other developers so fearful they have to resort to unprofessional and public critiques concerning the work of a man they can never hope to emulate. Pathetic, unnecessary, and wrought with sophomoric jealousy.

It is amazing how many pretend journalists as well as gamers are showing their ignorance of the history of the Metal Gear franchise. They believe this is a change in Kojimas norm designed to draw more buyers. Laughable and incorrect. Proof that noobs can indeed ruin a game.
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ForgivenZombie  +   473d ago
oh yeah
Bimkoblerutso  +   473d ago
It's NOT sexist. It pisses me off to no end that overtly sexualized women in video games are so often looked upon as a form of sexism.

It is, however, an indication that developers would rather sell sex than preserve their artistic integrity. That's the real issue here...
Army_of_Darkness  +   473d ago
People are forgetting that first and foremost, MGS5 is still a video game! you know, as in fantasy and FUN and not REEEAAAL!
so why not toss sexy females in the military?? it certainly makes the game more enjoyable, rather than a sausage fest which you will see in real life in the military that I doubt 90% of us would even want to be apart of right??

Kojima knows this, which is why his MGS characters have always been pretty awesome in a sense of them having their own unique looks and features!

How is this even considered sexist?? have you seen what girls wear during the summer these days!? almost the same look! lol! which I love btw ;-)
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dredgewalker  +   473d ago
MGS characters have always been designed this way. I don't know why some idiots make a fuss about it. Women characters in MGS universe are strong willed and never take crap from anyone.
DeadlyFire  +   473d ago
Kojima wants you to look. Then he will smack you with a curveball while you are staring. That is the Kojima way. Call it whatever you want.

Kojima builds characters in his games that play real roles. Quiet will be more than just quiet in the game. Sexism would mean he is not utilizing her mind or character in any other way than to promote sex and that is never the Kojima way in all the games I have played from him. :)
Ritsujun  +   473d ago
Dat designer, i mean sissy, must be new to J-VG.
Sideras  +   473d ago
MGS have had some pretty extreme designs in the past. If they wanna judge Kojima and his designers, then fine go ahead.
What has DICE ever done for original design? Dubstep and orange streaks? Don't make me laugh :P
pixelsword  +   473d ago
Yeah, and all soldiers are built like Rambo, or Dutch, walking around with their shirts off.

Oh, pluh-eze; that's the same thing.

Why don't they talk about how space battles are flawed by design, or how Wolfenstein is fake, or how in Battlefield, your machine-guns are worthless against tanks.
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GreatGamePlay  +   474d ago
agree
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ZeroX9876  +   474d ago
with mech-like character and seeing raiden cut through things with a pulse blade, makes me wonder how someone can compare real-life soldiers with a universe with freaking RAIDEN in it!!!

"what female soliders don't look like" IN REAL LIFE!!!! this is a game and a bit sci-fi at that too! I don't want to see some regular unoriginal characters in MGS. In battlefield, everyone got to be equal for balance purposes, but not MGS.
nosferatuzodd  +   474d ago
yep its like anytime someone else do something different its a problem.. some time i wonder why the media is like this blaming video games for everything wrong in society and now i know video game developers dissing each other over bullshit like this then no wonder NBC and FOX5 and the rest of the so called idiots we called journalist always use games for scape goat the video game community yes you who me? yes you you're all doing the same thing by making a big deal out of nothing and giving those idiots fuel to burn you later on down the road you just wait

Video games is a form of expression its a artist with is brush, its not suppose to be control and limited to this and that its a escape from the real world who cares what real solders look like aren't they the same ones complaining about how video games are becoming too violent and real
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Jayjayff  +   474d ago
Having a woman showing some skin is far from original.
nosferatuzodd  +   473d ago
Jayjayff + 11h ago
Having a woman showing some skin is far from original.

I could say the same thing about many American movies too but i don't see anyone from other countries complaining about that now do we
TekoIie  +   474d ago
I actually have a question for anyone outraged by Kojima's choice of "clothing" for Quiet.

Which are you more outraged by? Her lack of clothing or that she could pretty much be a mute and unable to give voice to a personality?

I guess we value a characters fashion sense over their ability to express themselves vocally right? This all goes back to the dont judge a woman by what she wears, but on the merit of her actions.
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Number-Nine  +   474d ago
The girl can be a rocket scientist with an amazing personality, but if she's walking around in a bikini top looking like a tramp, it would be hard to take her seriously.

Naomi, Sniper Wolf, Eva, The Boss, all showed a bit of cleavage but it wasn't over the top.

Quite looks like shes ready for a day at the beach rather than in a warzone.
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TekoIie  +   474d ago
@Number-Nine

"The girl can be a rocket scientist with an amazing personality, but if she's walking around in a bikini top looking like a tramp, it would be hard to take her seriously."

So you wouldn't take a rocket scientist who is easily more intelligent than you and I combined seriously... If she wore a bikini in public?

Your claiming that intelligence has a specific face to it when that is clearly false. That sort of viewpoint is a stereotype, and may I remind you that gamers once had a very similar stereotype which still hasn't completely phased out.
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Number-Nine  +   474d ago
I don't like it. I hate it when a developer goes too far when "sexifying" a character. MGS always tried to make the females a tad bit erotic but seemed to do it in a respectable way.

Quiet's character model just goes far and beyond what it needs to be. It's just too...pervy.

This is the same thing what Square Enix is doing with Lightening. I guess every female game character must have big tits now. Just unnecessary in my book.
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UnwanteDreamz  +   473d ago
Have you even played MGS4? You could make the bosses pose like centerfolds just by wipping out a camera. Anyone thinking video games have a problem while ignoring real womens issues is a tool. If you don't like it don' buy it. While you're at it boycott NBC, ABC, MTV, Lifetime, Coke, Pepsi, Sports illustated, Maxim, Cartoon Network, PETA. Harley Davidson, UFC, GMC, Toyota, Ford, NFL, MLB, NBA, the list goes on forever.

All those have shown real women with less on.
jcnba28  +   474d ago
Even one of Halo 4's designers said Kojima's design was disgusting. Eh hello! Cortana anybody?

http://assets2.ignimgs.com/...

http://i.imgur.com/wYwV2.jp...
Studio-YaMi  +   474d ago
They are a bunch of idiots really,imagine how they would argue about Samus without her gear !?

She's sexy as hell without it,guess Nintendo is SOOOO EVIL AND SEXIST TOO ???

Bunch of babies trying to sound cool when they come off as douchebags.
seupai1085  +   474d ago
Well said my friend. Thanks for the quote.
3-4-5  +   474d ago
I've seen pictures of military women posing in about just as many clothes.

You can't say that NO women in the military can be attractive.

That is just as arrogant.

Some women can be tough and beautiful.

This is just a random character in a video game.

People are making way too big a deal about this.
Tru_Ray  +   473d ago
Agreed. This whole thing has been blown out of proportion. So now developers are to be denied the freedom to express themselves? I am failing to grasp how having an overtly sexualized character in a game is suddenly demeaning to women everywhere. The universe that these characters inhabit is fictional and is not supposed to be representative of an actual battlefield. If I not mistaken, Kojima is attempting to create a perverse and alien, but oddly familiar canvas. If that makes any sense...

Tru_
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Abdou023  +   473d ago
The Battlefield guy is an idiot.

/thread
THamm  +   474d ago
These people don't realize that MGS isn't 100% realistic, never was. That's the captivating level of it that they can never achieve. This is one of the few last Japanese franchises that can elevate beyond most western IP's. So now they want to take shots at it as much as they can to shut Japanese games down. I don't want total realism, that's boring to me. These are video games, we want variety dammit, not the same crap every year that western devs are churning out. Ever since I played MGS 1, I think of it almost EVERYDAY and that was 15 years ago!
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ivnheim  +   474d ago
Haven't he played any MGS before?

This is spected from Kojima, he does not goes by the standars and MGS always have had some degree of fantasy and cyber punk.
NarooN  +   473d ago
At this point, I really just think Kojima deliberately did this (as the troll that he is) just to drum up controversy so people will start talking about MGS5 again, lol. As if Kojima really didn't know this would happen. Yeah right!
Halochampian  +   473d ago
I'm pretty sure he said he wanted something with sex-appeal for the cosplayers.
Muerte2494  +   474d ago
where was...
this outcry at E3 when they presented it at Microsoft's press conference? She had the exact same skin model then as she does now. Must have really been a slow week of gaming news.
younglj01  +   474d ago
+well said
Anthotis  +   474d ago
nvm
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NatureOfLogic  +   474d ago
First the VA, now this. Kojima can do better
Shadonic  +   474d ago
you mean when he kept saying sorry ?, Ive seen a lot of my quieter friends do that so i dont see the issue there, on account of this stupid controversy

its stupid its been blown way out of proportion. I wonder what a female would say about this.
Transporter47  +   474d ago
Stupid comparison.
Azurite  +   474d ago
Luckily for her she lives in another universe and is unperturbed by all of this.

She has most likely a reason for how she dress.
Shadonic  +   474d ago
She does but thats not enough for the Herd.
rezzah  +   474d ago
Yea, I'm sure she is capable of thinking.

She is a real live human after all, not a thing created by a human mind.

If people want a reason as to why her clothes are the way they are, ask the creators.
Masterman280  +   474d ago
Battlefield devs always take a shot at other games... but that's what happens when you work for a company like EA.
Shadonic  +   474d ago
I remember my teacher told me about a friend that worked for EA place sounded like some sort of Camp. Beds in the hallways FTW
NarooN  +   473d ago
That's probably a common practice. I've seen tons of guys in game development sleep in their cubicles, in their offices, oftentimes directly on the floor or in their chairs. Lots of overtime out of pure passion (and meeting those fucking deadlines)
monkey602  +   474d ago
Because the fury, the end, Vulcan raven and any other amount of MGS bosses were so realistic.

Skynet says raiden " what cyborgs don't look like"

It's a fantasy game in ways so if that's what she looks like that's that. Get over it!
Hicken  +   474d ago
I seriously don't get it. It's like they forgot how unrealistic the MGS games can be.

And any attractive attire is sexist. I guess I should go around Miami covering up all the girls in bikinis. I'll stake-out gyms and make sure all sports bras are covered.

People piss me off...
Godlovesgamers  +   474d ago
"I seriously don't get it. It's like they forgot how unrealistic the MGS games can be."

So that means any sense of class and decency goes out the window because it's "unrealistic"? Yeah, that makes perfect logical sense, doesn't it?

"And any attractive attire is sexist"

No, Hicken. There's a big difference between attractive attire and slutty/sexist attire and attire that is fitted/made for a specific occasion, like swimming and exercising and modesty can be applied to both of those as well, not that you would know the difference.

Gotta try harder. Your own logic can be used against you; your stance is hypocritical.
fsfsxii  +   474d ago
I don't care what female soldiers look like.
And not every game is supposed to be 100% realistic.
jagstar44  +   474d ago
maybe she uses her sexiness to lure males to their deaths :/
windblowsagain  +   474d ago
I'd have a piece of that and gladly die.
Shadonic  +   474d ago
Ohh you :D
twinspectre  +   474d ago
lol DEMIZE99 your Game SUCKS
Battlefield is DEAD
KrystofKage  +   473d ago
Ya...dead...BF3 sold 8 million copies in one month alone. And BF4 is one of the most talked about next gen games.

Sour grapes for you.
listenkids  +   473d ago
It's as dead as Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty.
Rai  +   474d ago
for some reason..her design annoys the shit out of me and I don't usually care if the design is revealing.
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Games4ever  +   474d ago
All this talk about this girl, it's just bullshit!!

I wish there was another planet we could live on - for us who loves a lightly dressed woman :)
majiebeast  +   474d ago | Funny
War has changed.

It's not about nations, or ideologies.
It's not even about profit, resources, or ethnicity.

It's an endless amount of proxy battles,
fought by female's in leather bikini's and ripped up stockings.

War, and its vast consumption of human life,
has become a rational, well-oiled business transaction.

War has changed.

Leather bikini snipers dont carry much,
they cant even afford a pair of millitairy pants.

Nanomachines inside their bodies
enhance their boobies for maximum distraction.

Genetic control.. Information control..
Emotion control.. Battlefield control.

Everything is sexy, and kept so for merchandising.

War has changed.

The age of deterrence is now the age of sexy skimpy dressed women,
averting catastrophe from weapons of mass sex appeal.

And he who controls the boobies, controls history.

War has changed.

When the battlefield 4 is under total control,

War becomes routine.
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I still think Eva looks hotter, but i like blondes more.
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NatureOfLogic  +   474d ago
Lmao, Best one so far. Funny bub
windblowsagain  +   474d ago
I think all the worlds anger, should be dealt with by the countries women having mud fights.
majiebeast  +   474d ago
Yeah certainly alot less bloody.
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621infamous  +   473d ago
You sir have won the internet!
Lionalliance  +   474d ago
Oh for the love of god...
MuhammadJA  +   474d ago
He could've made her a normal soldier, but showing skin would guarantee sales. Can't blame him.
wishingW3L  +   474d ago
there are ways to show skin that are not tacky like this.
Kuse  +   474d ago
Its amusing at all the kids in here defending sexism, grow up.
Aleithian  +   474d ago
What makes the design sexist?
Studio-YaMi  +   474d ago
No,you grow a brain and know the difference between sexist and being sexy !
dragonyght  +   474d ago
im curious where were you and your sexism outcry when raiden were butt naked in mgs2
NarooN  +   473d ago
The design isn't sexist, it's just... sleazy. Or lazy.

(I stand by what I said earlier where it was Kojima doing this on purpose just to generate controversy so people talk about MGS again)

To call it sexist is overboard. She's a deadly sniper who apparently is good enough at her job to be an established character with a unique character model. Doesn't sound like she's being undermined or demeaned to me (even if I still think the design is lame, but not due to allegations of sexism.)
racso10ken  +   474d ago
who said MGS is suposed to be realistic
SeraphimBlade  +   474d ago
Because MGS is usually a paragon of realism.

"Primary male character spends half an hour in game running around naked, and nobody bats an eye. Secondary female character has a bikini on and everyone loses their mind!"

Okay, that's not completely fair. I understand people's complaints and Kojima clarified his controversial statement was badly worded. It's a hot issue right now (GET IT?) and good to talk about. Too bad the internet sucks at talking about things and my cheap jokes aren't helping. I'll shut up now.
majiebeast  +   474d ago
Its getting a bit overblown at this point it isnt a Kojima game without females in skimpy outfits. But we now all want big boss thong costume to balance it out.

Im more affraid that Keifer is phoning in his performance and that the game is becoming more like Splintercell.

This needs to make a return to balance out quiet.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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wishingW3L  +   474d ago
wow, you fanboys and your ridiculous spins are just ridiculous. Now the excuse is that Metal Gear is not realistic, so it's fine for women to battle in pantyhose and a thong. -__-

Fanboyism is the worst of the worst, it turns people into a bunch of dumb sheep.
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fsfsxii  +   474d ago
You idiot.
Yeah, MGS the plot is realistic. The rest is a mix.
How do you explain the cardboard box?? Akiba shitting in drumcan in the middle of the battlfield. Olga's armpits (shit is still creepy). B&B in beauty form.

Thing is, kojima always tried to clear the tense through the game.
younglj01  +   474d ago
Tbh if you think about it an women dress sexy can assassinate an man a lot easier.Deploy an sexy spy at an location get the target attention,take him into an secure location and then kill/kipnap, your objective would be complete and stealth aka the MGS play-style...

People are over re-reacting once again when it comes too gaming.I'm sure this is only one outfit that she will wear during the campaign.
ExDexteraDomini  +   474d ago
$20 says that if they had Big Boss in a banana hammock no one would be throwing a fit. Hell, one could possibly have a completely naked male character and face less criticism. This kind of oversensitivity is sexist in itself.

Perhaps Quiet chose to wear a bikini? What in the world is wrong if she did? Of course this isn't what a female soldier would wear, but every Metal Gear character never really just looked normal. To flesh out who the character is (no pun intended ^.^), they've always given their characters very stark and striking looks.

Nothing lazy, wrong, or disgusting about it.
Bolts  +   474d ago
Her face isn't so hot :(
majiebeast  +   474d ago
Yeah bit of a derp face dont know what went wrong there.
Aleithian  +   474d ago
It's the dead eyes. The face is a great representation of the model, but is dead due to the inability to model eyes.
chobit_A5HL3Y  +   474d ago
the actress who plays her is really pretty though...
Aleithian  +   473d ago
Agreed. And she's not just pretty - she has a fragility and softness that lends a physical dimension to the personality of the character. She is believable as a quiet sniper.
Asuka  +   474d ago
omg what does this have to do with bf, halo, and whatever. of course female soldiers do not dress this way!

But this is MGS for crying out loud! MGS characters have always had a sense of style, uniqueness, sex appeal, and were never realistic. Eva was in jumpsuit halfway undone wearing a bikini underneath. There are playboys you can find and thumbthrough, and there are easter eggs of asian women in swimsuits everywhere!

This sorta thing is not new, this is just mgs
Games4ever  +   474d ago
It's really strange that sexy women scares so many, but only when it happens in games, but not in movies??

Women look better when they look sexy than raw. Is that so hard to understand? Or even better, when they both look sexy and raw, like this girl.
Asuka  +   474d ago
haha i agree. i like how everyone is making a big deal about this. Quiet isn't the first sexy women in a video game. besides, this has always been mgs's style. just look at the past games :P
-Gespenst-  +   474d ago
I'm not sure if that kind of accuracy or realism is something to expect from an MGS game.

That said the whole Quiet thing is questionable for other reasons.
Fergusonxplainsall  +   474d ago
I hope ALL games DON'T strive for realism at all aspects. I agree with Kojima's choice and we need to look at more than the eye can see.

Who really is Quiet and why is she so beautiful??

I need this game now.. lol sorry.
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