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Submitted by Prcko 886d ago | news

Halo 4 designer brands "sexy" MGS5 character "lazy and exploitative"

343 Industries designer David Ellis isn't too chuffed with Hideo Kojima's "erotic" - or as Kojima would now prefer to word it, "sexy" - Metal Gear Solid 5 character Quiet. (David Ellis, Industry, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain)

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KingKelloggTheWH  +   886d ago | Well said
While I agree the design is pretty terrible, the art and design in Halo 4 was pretty generic and bad too.(making everyone angry here)

Also "Sexuality can be used for purpose. I actually thought it worked in Bayonetta, for example. This feels lazy and exploitative"

Oh, I see he has already played the game and knows her personality and back story.

Also, I like how they Just focus on the women in the game and dont mention that Liquid Snake, and Raven were both Shirtless in Alaska, snake was naked in his briefing and shirtless in his torture scene, not to mention in MGS 2 Raiden was naked for a whole playable sequence.

The sexuality in MG does not go one way, heck just look at the Boss, she wasnt portrayed sexually at All.People need to quit excluding stuff and look at the games portrayal of people as a whole.
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Septic  +   886d ago
" the art and design in Halo 4 was pretty generic and bad too."

You are kidding me right? Halo is known for it's unique design, with really weird Forerunner structures and beautiful sky boxes. How on Earth is it generic? "Pretty generic and bad" are possibly the worst descriptions of it and couldn't be further from the truth. Have you played the game? I'm assuming you're talking about the art style in general because your comment was very vague.

Regarding your point about the male characters 'exposing' themselves, there is a context to it.

What is the context of a sniper fighting in a bikini? It seems silly but I wouldn't make as big an issue as Ellis did.

"People need to quit excluding stuff and look at the games portrayal of people as a whole."

Yeah and that's why Quiet's clothing (or lackthereof) doesn't make sense in the context of who she is supposed to be. Again however, I don't think it's that big an issue.

But also, look at Cortana with her massive jugs. Was that really needed for an A.I construct? I don't know...
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JustPlay4  +   886d ago
It isn't bad but it became pretty generic after halo 2 or 3 came out, after that it just the same game over and over again but fans don't care, it still a good game
abzdine  +   886d ago
i agree with Ellis, the idea of making stupid sexy characters in MGS just to sell more copies seems a little desperate.
This changed my vision on MGS5 now. I hope Kojima focuses on delivering some solid gameplay and chara design instead of destroying woman picture more than it is already just to sell his game.

i dont wanna play Metal Gear: Dead or Alive edition!
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jimbobwahey  +   886d ago
I wouldn't call Halo's design unique to be honest. For example, see the well documented copying of designs from the movie Aliens.
minimur12  +   886d ago
Bayonetta, lol, think about it, who would buy a game where some ugly women beat up monsters :)
KingKelloggTheWH  +   886d ago
Im a huge Halo fan, but 4's art was a huge step back for the franchise it lost much of its identity and took much of its base aesthetics from other franchises rather than from previous titles, its especially noticeable if you look at it compared to the masterpiece that was Reach.

As for Quiet, Im trying to hold back my judgment until the game is released, for all we know that could be under clothing she is wearing for a small part of the game from after she escapes the torture stuff.
Septic  +   886d ago

"Im a huge Halo fan, but 4's art was a huge step back for the franchise it lost much of its identity and took much of its base aesthetics from other franchises rather than from previous title"

I have to completely disagree. Halo 4's art style carries on the legacy of original Halo:CE and takes it to a whole new level. It's what lingers on the most in my mind. It's look and feel is in a class of its own.

Compared to Halo Reach, I think it shines through even more. Halo 4's level designs in terms of art style were the best ever since Halo:CE in my opinion.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Regarding Quiet;

"for all we know that could be under clothing she is wearing for a small part of the game from after she escapes the torture stuff.

And then chooses not to clothe herself afterwards? That seems like quite a stretch of the imagination, even for a Kojima title. Hideo might add some context to it later on but the core reasons for it are apparent now. But should it detract from the experience of the game? I don't think so.
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KonsoruMasuta  +   886d ago
Halo does look generic. Nothing about it is really that great.

And as another user stated; why didn't you have a problem with the cortana model in Halo 4?
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Septic  +   886d ago

"And as another user stated; why didn't you have a problem with the cortana model in Halo 4?"

If you're directing the question at me, look at my first post.
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Clarence  +   886d ago
There is nothing unique about halo character design. It's very generic and boring, just like the game.

The artist for metal gear Yoji Shinkawa would easily out design all the character artist for halo.
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Clarence  +   886d ago
Well why not make Cortana, a old over weight AI? This guy is a hypocrite.
Septic  +   886d ago

Yeah because that will really enhance the affinity between the player and Cortana right?

Look at Halsey for proof.
snipes101  +   886d ago
Why are people surprised that the Japanese are making something exploitative? Look at half the shit that comes out of there: Rumble Roses, Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball, most fighting games - they love exploiting women. I don't agree with it, but it's hardly shocking to see another game do it.

Also, this isn't the first time that MGS has done this with women. Remember all those tit shots of Naomi in 4? What about all the bosses in that game that were dressed in those tight ass body suits? This isn't the first or the last time we'll see something like this.

As a side note, for someone to call Halo 4's art generic, I don't agree. Of course it was inspired by Alien - the developers have said so in the past. I don't see anything in the Alien movies that resembles the forerunner structures, though. Also, I have seen people say "Alien and other sci-fi franchises" do any of these people want to be specific, instead of making generalizations?
Withdreday  +   886d ago
To be honest with you, a guy of this caliber has no business going after Kojima.

Imagine if a production designer of some Transformer movie all of a sudden came out and said questioned a guy like Steven Spielberg and the direction of his latest film. He'd get puzzled looks all over the industry. That's exactly what's happening here. Some small potato going after a legend over his creative choices.

To me, this is more than likely 99% this guy trying to make a name for himself than him actually being offended by the character design, make no mistake about it.

Also, how will this effect future MGS games on Xbox if you have guys from your first party studio ripping the guy that made it?

Could MGS6 be a PS4 exclusive? I say that likelihood just increased 10 fold.
pedrof93  +   886d ago
Because 343 are the best right ?

What about Cortana ?
spicelicka  +   886d ago
Even though I don't like cortanas sex appeal, there's a good reason and context for her being that way. According to the story shes a very high ranking A.I. and her creator designed her like that intentionally so that when she gave orders or whatnot, the soldiers would listen, specially the males tend to be a lot more receptive to orders if they're given from a sexy female.

Beyond that, cortana is a hologram, her appearance can be anything and 343 dont post half naked models of her just for sex appeal. Its fine if there's a reason for these models to be like that in game, which i doubt, but kojima is clearly advertising her sexuality.

And for the people saying theres shirtless males too, well instead using that justification, why dont u just argue sex selling is wrong either way.
TheDevKit  +   886d ago
I'd just like to remind you that you're on N4G.
extermin8or  +   885d ago
Hahahahaha I'm sorry but it might play well and is very popular but halo has for me and I'm sure many other become synonymous with "generic space marine design" the only game I'd say fits a generic stereotype is gears of war which has the whole generic steroid addled marine hardman/women thing going on with giant guns to compensate for...other things :p Although Quiets clothing I agree makes no sense, infact when me and my mate watched the E3 trailer we both burst out lauhing when we saw her because her attire was so rediculous. But tbh MGS isn't known for it's realism now is it? :p I doubt this hs been done JUST to sell more. There will be some story reason or symbolism in the way she dresses. Although I suspect she doesn't dress like that before she's tortured (see E3 trailer)a s that trailer suggests the electric current torture is what ruins her tights... but whatever. It's not like it's only the women in mgs that have this weird hyper sexuality thing accross the games... I mean did no one ever tell vamp to put a bloody shirt on for starters. Or liquid for tat matter who I seem to remember sheds half his clothing before the final fight in mgs4?
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roboteye  +   885d ago
I wouldn't call Halo 4's blatant inspiration from Tron "unique" ;)
darkpower  +   885d ago
So, let me see if I got this straight. Females can't CHOOSE to use the freedoms they are given to want to bare their midriff, or be sexy or whatnot? Please tell me we're not shoving morality down throats here. We should tell females, then, that it's not okay to let their hair down and just be themselves if being themselves means showing off? If a female is strong willed and smart, then she can dress however the hell she WANTS to be dressed, and any author has the right to show that she HAS that freedom to do whatever the hell she wants to do and to dress however she wants to dress. We're pushing for females to be presented as equals in games, yet we want to force them into a situation where they can't dress "sexy" if they choose to dress like that while men can be near naked? C'mon!

For the record, 343 doesn't know how this character will act, what her personalty is, or any of that.
FanOfRootBeer  +   885d ago
Found the Halo fan.
dmeador  +   885d ago
So, let me see if I got this straight, if a woman doesn't choose to be strong willed, and is stupid, then she CANT make her own decisions on how she dresses?

Dont put words in peoples mouths, and get off your soap box. Most of peoples points are that woman should not be portrayed as just images to get guys going, and that their personality/character dev shouldn't be watered down.

And yes a woman can dress how she wants, but dont expect her to be taken seriously if she is just trying to get a certain reaction from the male population.

And to get on MY soapbox: It is ironic to me how some feminist use their sexuality as a way to show they are "equal" to men, when the very nature of it is to gain power over them
Deadpoolio  +   885d ago
Uh OH butt hurt Halo Xbot...Yes Halo is generic....Halo seemed to somehow get even more generic when Bungie left and 343 made 4....Halo has been generic since 3
cyclindk  +   885d ago
Skyboxes... Really? How about the more prominent designs, like BMX bicycle body armor yay!
TheBlackSmoke  +   885d ago
Halo is not generic, dat masterchief poncho changed the game.
Ps4marksthespotnotX  +   885d ago
It's a game the designer can do whatever they want, isin't that what games should be about creativity and fun. Why should all games have to cohere to this as real as possible approach, look what it did for GTA IV, nothing!
Ritsujun  +   885d ago
Says the girl that designed Heylow 4. LOOOL.
ChrisW  +   885d ago
As I said before... Typical Japanese marketing!
most people disagree.
dantesparda  +   885d ago
"Halo is known for it's unique design, with really weird Forerunner structures and beautiful sky boxes. How on Earth is it generic?"

What!? WTF are you smoking Halo is very generic and always has been. And also Reach a masterpiece? I can barely stand to play the game and the graphics suck and i really liked Halo 1 and like Masterchief (corny name though), but since then the series has just gone downhill for me
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Evilsnuggle  +   885d ago
Loved halo1 and 2 Halo is lame and has jumped the shark NUFF SAID
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Evilsnuggle  +   885d ago
Hideo Kojima

Metal Gear Solid 5 >HALO 5 NUFF SAID
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darkpower  +   885d ago

Who's putting words in whose mouth again? I didn't see me saying that anyone CAN'T dress how they want if they didn't possess strong will and determination. I didn't even imply that! You're trying to find a way to incriminate something I said...why, exactly? Do you think women SHOULDN'T be allowed to dress however they want without the morality police knocking on their proverbial door? Hey, you implied that I said something! How does it feel when the shoe's on the other foot?

You know what I was saying. Of course some people that get on their own soapboxes (like you did before you said you were getting on yours, not seeing that you were already ON one) are going to say "how dare you dress like that" or "you're just contributing to the male patriarchy" when the people bitching might as well be contributing themselves. If someone doesn't like women being able to dress like that, then they should move to a country where women would KILL for such a freedom!
pixelsword  +   885d ago
"i agree with Ellis, the idea of making stupid sexy characters in MGS just to sell more copies seems a little desperate."

Yeah; but everyone does it, like Aliens:cm
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MWH  +   885d ago
Well said Septic.
Aceman18  +   886d ago
This Ellis guy is a DB and hypocrite. He claims it works for bayonetta but here its wrong? Dude bayonetta is 10x worst than this.

His opinion went right out the window with that statement.
nosferatuzodd  +   886d ago
It isn't bad but it became pretty generic after halo 2 or 3 came out, after that it just the same game over and over again but fans don't care, it still a good game

thank you these guys love to hear them selves talk
343 Industries got a game that already have a huge fanbase ((HALO)) and now they think there god of games shut the hell up i don't like the metalgear sexy character either but still
Clarence  +   886d ago
I agree they just jumped on bungies leftovers.
Swiggins  +   886d ago
If Halo's art design is only generic because it set the damn standard.

That's not generic, that's genre defining.
Rainstorm81  +   885d ago

Wouldnt you agree that Master Chief is a upgraded copy of the doom marine?

Or Tribes 2 (2001) kind look like it could be the template for Halo's MP ?

While Halo is a good fun game that changed the landscape of console is somewhat generic
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cleft5  +   886d ago
In a previous post I said that Kojima was going to get a lot of heat for his choices. I got mixed agrees and disagrees for the most part. The point I was trying to make was that people are clearly on a witch hunt right now, so any hint of blatant sexuality is going to get a developer crucified.

Either way, this Halo 4 designer doesn't have a leg to stand on after how they sexed up Cortana.
StoutBEER  +   886d ago
cleft Agreed. Love Halo AND Halo 4. But Ellis done fucked up!
StoutBEER  +   886d ago
Noooo. Why Halo why? I love you and you had to go say something like this? If there's anything you should be criticizing is the lack of an ass. Now i'm gonna have to read these assholes commenting on a game and a game series I love negatively. Damn it. Started out as such a good day too. And screw all of you that say the art was bad and story generic. The Didact is one of the best villians ever.
cleft5  +   886d ago
I love Halo 4 also and it is a shame that he is opening up Halo 4 to be criticized negatively.
LordDhampire  +   886d ago
Bayonetta is a ugly cow, if If I want to play a female character which I hate but if I have to she better be cute or something I dont wanna look at a porpoise, and to put a unattractive girl in a metal gear solid would be ignorant and unfitting.
Lord_Sloth  +   886d ago
I find it ironic that he cites a woman who acts like a pole dancer in a tight outfit who shucks her clothes at any given moment just to attack as Sexuality done right yet has qualms with a sniper wearing very little yet knowing nothing of how she actually acts in game.

Besides, I'm sure that we'll see plenty of bare chested dudes running about and possibly another naked Raiden scene. As you said, Kellogg, MG is known for showing off both genders.
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883  +   885d ago
It gets ridiculous when the industry wears the guise of "all grown up -- mature" by shoveling mountains of foul language, gratuitous and often over the top absurd violence, AND THEN A RATED PG CHARACTER MODEL GENERATES THIS TYPE OF INDIGNATION?!?! Context argument or not, WHAT THE? For Kojima this has to be like being in the mob and being chastised by a bookie for running a gambling operation.

Abundant F words do not automatically make something "mature". Violence does not automatically make something "mature". Neither does sex. Granted they do tend to make a great number of 10-20 year old boys feel like they've had a brush with manhood so they can call it mature. Sadly, this actually indicates that the desire for such is, in fact, typically an indication of retained immaturity (we can own it).

Much of the time, these things are in the games because enough people enjoy them (and often justifiably so--it's a "game") -period. When someone in the industry goes on a self-righteous rant and -publicly- calls another respected figure out about a rated PG character model but neglects the rest, credibility, motive, and even character can rightly be called into question.

I wonder if he attempted to send a text to Kojima's team to express his concerns over the matter first and they just didn't respond -- therefore, in his mind leaving him with no alternative.
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iceman06  +   885d ago
+Bubs...well said...was thinking the same, but you articulated it so much better!
3-4-5  +   885d ago
Halo 4's multiplayer maps are " Lazy & Exploitative"

Shut up 343
Rimfro  +   885d ago
@Spicelicka: That is how the A.I. warning systems in US Airforce aircraft were designed. My father said that when they first introduced the systems in aircraft, the voice was a male voice, and they found that the vast majority of pilots would just tune it out, especially under heavy g-force maneuvers.

He said that they decided to switch the voices out with "attractive" female voices, and instantly the pilots were responding to the commands and suggestions. When you are in a controlled stall, on the verge of passing out, the female voice shouting "pull up now" (paraphrasing) made all of the difference. He said that it actually ended up greatly improving safety and efficiency. It only worked, though, with the female voice.

If that was actually the logic behind Cortana's "sexy" redesign, it's actually a fairly realistic representation of military tech design.

Back On Topic: I'm assuming that 343 has never played Metal Gear before. I remember the sniper chick from MGS PS1 being out in the cold, while everyone else was bundled up from the sub-zero temperatures, she was wearing a skin tight jumpsuit, unzipped down to her navel with her cleavage spilling out.

I get that Kojima is one of the most revered creators in the entire industry and that some may feel that his work is of such caliber, that design like this is "beneath him" at this point, but Metal Gear has always featured woman that don't like combat gear. I don't get the outrage, but I also don't necessarily agree with the design choice. It is, what it is.
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Blaze929  +   885d ago
Men...are complaining about female sexual appeal in videogames. Hmm...alright now.
showtimefolks  +   885d ago
halo 4 designer opinion of MGS doesn't matter
Dee_Cazo  +   885d ago
Nothing like trying to save the world in a skimpy bikini top. Is that what you mean by purpose?

Also not to attack the Halo front but what other games have the art and design of Halo that were before Halo?
rainslacker  +   885d ago
You can't get people riled up if you take such a moderate approach though....:(
-Foxtrot  +   886d ago | Well said
Oh and the new Cortana model for Halo 4 didn't become a little sexy compared to her past ones.
r21  +   886d ago
Someone should reply to them with this pic.
GameCents  +   886d ago
Have you seen this though?
I mean I have no words! She's about to go out killing people and sneaking about dressed like that? I know Kojima is Sony Deity but come on you guys, there is sexy and then there is just downright ridiculous and this is the latter!
LordDhampire  +   886d ago
If you want to sneak around in the jungle its going to be hot, the less cloths the better, and the more gear you have the more noise you make.

Shes a realist
isarai  +   885d ago
@ GameCents

Her skin works like the Octocamo from MGS4, you can see it in the trailer(her eyes changing from black) so bearing that much skin would make sense as her skin works as a dynamic camo system
Dee_Cazo  +   885d ago
Graphic quality includes and they made her look more realistic?
Blacktric  +   886d ago
I wonder what the purpose of giving her slightly sagged but also much bigger breasts was...

Oh yeah, they already tried to cover up their bullshit by claiming it was because she adapted herself due to the time gap between Halo 3 and 4.

Who cares anyway. Most of the western developers have been crap ever since Bioware died.
DARK WITNESS  +   886d ago
Obviously... because women's boobs grow over time based on the amount of information they accumulate.
IHassounah  +   886d ago
Bioware is not the same Bioware in the past , most of Bioware employees are back at Microsoft in a studio called Black Tusk Studios
Studio-YaMi  +   886d ago
Nailed it bro ! :D
CrossingEden  +   886d ago
Ironically it didn't, they purposely toned it down and made it more realistic and human looking, for example, halo 3 had dead or alive esque breast physics. Halo 4, these physics were taken away and during cutscenes the camera doesn't linger on her naughty bits nearly as much as it did in previous games with WAY more closeups on her face to show off the impressive motion capture technology. AND, last time I checked, David Ellis isn't the person who designed Cortana in halo 4. -_-
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firelogic  +   886d ago
Doesn't change the fact that he's too much of a coward to call out his own company/colleagues but has a level 99 internet tough-guy rank to call out kojima.

As far as I'm concerned, he should get his own house in order before mouthing off.

And Cortana has definitely been sexualized compared to previous versions. You people are saying it's ridiculous for a sniper to be wearing a bikini in the desert? Well why on earth does an AI companion need to be wearing a string bikini? What does that add to anything? Why couldn't she be wearing actual clothes? Why not have her model resemble Alex Vance? I'll tell you why. It's because SEX SELLS. Kojima came right out and said it while Ellis is standing behind some bullshit holier-than-thou pulpit.
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Dan_scruggs  +   885d ago
Yeah but there is a difference between rendering a characters proportions more realistically over time (she is still digital and partially see through) and putting a character in a leather bikini and torn fishnet stockings. Not realizing the difference is just claiming ignorance.
chrissx  +   886d ago
This mans being a certified hypocrite. Did he see his halo 4's cortana? smh
Studio-YaMi  +   886d ago
And his response to the character design is as immature as he proclaims that the gaming industry is FILLED with(man babies).

I guess someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed,so grumpy !

Of course you have Cortana in Halo 4 (smh!)

Some people(even on this site!) are afraid of a little "flesh revealing" and boobs oh my God the blasphemy -_- ..!
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gamer7804  +   886d ago
don't get me wrong i loved halo4, but i believe cortana showed much more skin than this, which i totally support in both cases, its their creative vision, if we epitomize the male character roles as buff & gruff in MGS, why not have a tough looking female who's also sexy?

lets try to support one anothers creative decisions instead of throwing stones in glass houses...
Jovanian  +   886d ago
coming from the guy who was part of a team that made cortana into a sexy blue bimbo, I find his opinion ironic
majiebeast  +   886d ago
Lets be honest people the Kojima design makes no sense, unless walking around in a bikini on a battlefield increases armor. Which seems to be the logic behind most Japanese/Korean MMO's.
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Studio-YaMi  +   886d ago
Doesn't need to be realistic,it's a video game at the end of the day,like 90% of what's in the MGS franchise could even be remotely correct or accurate anyways.

It's a character idea,I say Kudos for him on being bold about it and I hope he sticks with it.

Yes it is,when you stick to what you believe in while facing all the sh*t storm of ignorant people flagging at you,then yes you are bold and brave to hold your ground.
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Septic  +   886d ago
Is it a bold move though? I don't think it is.
Swiggins  +   886d ago

How about sexist as hell....

Now I get that this is Japan, and we shouldn't judge by "Western" standards, but Jesus...

This is literally one step short of Dead or Alive...what's worse is that she might be a well written character, but this design is going to make me take her far less seriously.
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KonsoruMasuta  +   886d ago
So MGS can have all the shirtless and naked guys it wants but once a female character dresses a little sexy the whole world goes crazy?
BattleTorn  +   886d ago
But does it have all the shirtless and naked guys?

I dont think so.
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Snookies12  +   885d ago
Yeah really, anyone remember the Raiden no clothes scene in MGS2? That was WAY worse than this. The only thing covering his junk were his hands. Yet for some reason, THIS is a big deal? It's not like she's naked out there. Calm the hell down people. It's probably really hot out there in the desert. Some women are more comfortable with their bodies than others. Just like some men are more comfortable with theirs. Do we expect all women to just be dressed in sweaters and jeans because it's "sexist" for them to choose anything more revealing to wear?
sevilha82  +   886d ago
It´s in Afganistan Desert,it´s very hot there,dont you remeber Rambo 3 all he had was a tank top.

Jesus do i have to explain everithing =)

comon people use your imagination it´s Kojima,it dosent need to make sense just let the man give us another epic game.
majiebeast  +   886d ago
Its pretty obvious where he took the inspiration from.
Swiggins  +   886d ago
Here's the thing though...YOU DON'T DRESS LIKE THAT IN THE DESERT!

You ever wonder why the people of the middle east wear things like Thawb's and Keffiyeh's?

They didn't start wearing these things hundreds of years ago as a damn fashion statement, they did it because as it turns out the sun burns really freaking quickly if you linger out in the sun with your skin directly say if you were wearing a bikini....

I love Kojima, I think MGS 1 and 3 have some of the best character designs of all time, but there's a limit to how much track I'm willing to give him and his wacky train.
sevilha82  +   886d ago
#Swiggins- Dude my coment was a joke,you know a mess around kinda statement,if i wanted to be military accurate i would´t use Rambo as an example,i live in Portugal we know how people in the desert dress to survive,northen Africa is just 800 klm way.

And this is a franchise that has guys that shoot lightning from their bodies and bees from their hands,old men that merge with their ambient as their skin turns to leafs,and freaking vampires yes vampires,so use your freaking imagination maybe she has a very tough skin to fight the sun.jeez.
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Inception  +   886d ago

She's a sniper and a sniper doesn't need much equipment / armor to begin with, especially they need to move faster when their location got detected by the enemies. Just look at Sniper Wolf in MGS 1, did she wear any heavy armor / carried lots of weapons? No.

Look at The End in MGS 3, did he wear any armor / carried lots of weapon? No.

If you want a very realistic sniper design, you should choose Battlefield, Rainbow Six, or CoD, not MGS.
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Imalwaysright  +   886d ago
Realistic? Have you ever played MGS?
Felonycarclub8  +   886d ago
WTF is he talking about when cortana was naked and just has body paint on at least she's wearing clothes.
Flatbattery  +   886d ago
Cortana..........that is all I have to say!
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DEEBO  +   886d ago
says a guy who hasn't made original ip but has the nerve to call kojima lazy.just because you work on halo doesn't mean you're on kojima's level.
the original stealth game creator who's been in the gaming world for 20 plus years or some dickhead that worked on someone else gaming franchise,not his own ip that he put his heart and soul in.he sounds like a MS employee.
Imalwaysright  +   886d ago
Kojima is a gaming god. This dude? never heard of him... until now.
christocolus  +   886d ago
Fanboys have turned this into another argument...if it is offensive to some people then it should be looked into..not dragging halo into this, you couldn't make out anything on cortanas body but this is more realistic imo....this is what has caused a lot of issues we have with games and certain rights groups.. i also wonder what fbs would say if nate wells was the person who made this comment....imo this guy is speaking his mind and its ok to....this is actually somthn japanese do a lot in their games and anime.I personally have nothing against it but i find it amusing...I know more people may speak out too very soon..
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Hicken  +   886d ago
Everything is offensive to somebody. The problem is people taking offense when none is obviously meant.

As for this guy "speaking his mind," he'd have more weight if his last game didn't have... well, I'm sure you didn't just skip past all the other comments before posting your own. You can't make anything out on Quiet, either. There was no need to make Cortana look the way she did, but they did, anyway.

It's really just a guy making a comment and jumping on the hype train.
BattleTorn  +   886d ago
That's not how taking offense works. You can't only take offense, when it's intentionally given..
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Hicken  +   886d ago
That's the only way I do it. What the hell is the point in being pissed off when you know someone wasn't trying to do so?

It's the mentality you suggest that causes problems, as people go around literally LOOKING for reasons to be offended.
Bathyj  +   886d ago
If it's lazy why did my heart rate increase when I saw it.
DestinyHeroDoomlord  +   886d ago
You should get that checked out haha
Convas  +   886d ago
Perhaps you're easily aroused?

I'm just #Saiyan.
sevilha82  +   886d ago
Well to me is hipocrisy.

Two kick points.

- It´s just a freaking cartoon(a photoreallistic cartoon)but a cartoon non the less.
the pockie pirates add is right next to us with Nami and her watermelon size D cups and no one bats an eye.

-If with was on a movie,if she was a caracther of the next G.I. Joe no one would complain and problly be considerer bad ass, but it´s a videogame.oh no.

And just a final opinion about that guy that decided to bash on just one of(if not) the most geniuos and iconic producers of videogames in history.

I played your game,it´s a nice game,nothing else,every fucking game that Kojima made ,does and will do are freaking epic.

Socome back when your in a legend state like Mr.K.
jahfen83  +   886d ago
Hideo is far from lazy. Just wait until this game comes out!
Plus any man that has a problem with this character is gay.
DestinyHeroDoomlord  +   886d ago
jahfen83  +   886d ago
Happy getting juked in the butt.
DestinyHeroDoomlord  +   886d ago
Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy...
jahfen83  +   886d ago
I confess, I love a great pair of man boobs!

Another observation: This guy is having a conversation via Twitter with a very attractive women, I bet he is just trying to be get on her good side.
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TheDevKit  +   886d ago
I'd agree with you until you asserted that every man who's got a problem with the model is gay.
Dagobert  +   886d ago
As much as I love MGS, wtf is this? Like how does this work out on the battlefield? I mean MGS has that sort of realism with characters in its games, like if it was IRL you might see that type of shit. This just doesn't make sense. Sniper Wolf made more sense than this.
TheDarpaChief  +   886d ago
He is just butt hurt mgsv is going to eclipse halo 5 the second it releases
BlaqMagiq24  +   886d ago
Lol It's the battle of the fives. My money is on MGSV turning out better.
TheDarpaChief  +   886d ago
Lol with how halo 4 turned out 5 wont stand a chance. If bungie was working on it that would be different but we are talking about a developer that somehow managed to bury bungies legacy with the mainstream audience
Shadonic  +   886d ago
I love Halo but I have to agree with you there, Who throws out almost everything the franchise was built upon and developed off of just so it could be another carbon copy create a class shooter.
BattleTorn  +   886d ago
ha ha ha
MaverickStar7  +   886d ago
Turn on the tv and you see women choosing to dress similar to this all over the place. Put a wig an some face paint on here and I might mistake her for Lady Gaga. Should those women stop because other women get offended? More overreaction. Calling it disgusting and exploitative is stretching it. Go to Europe or Japan and the would laugh at this. But here in the US everything is a offensive now. It seems as though the only way anyone in the idustry can make a female character without getting in trouble is just to use Ellen Page.
Shadonic  +   886d ago
Gotta agree with you, as long as shes not dressed up like miley cyrus during the concert then everything is OK. Besides as they said it's obviously something tied towards there past. Hell we might as well get on Tengan Togga Gurren Lageen for there sniper who basically wears what quiet is wearing.
MaverickStar7  +   886d ago
Even with Miley, it wasn't her outfit but her acts on stage. I really have to laugh at the outrage over this when when we routinely have actresses wearing the most provocative outfits they can at red carpets events. I wonder if any people outraged are also readers of Fifty Shades of Grey.
Redempteur  +   886d ago
Seriously , guys , did you all forget about sniper wolf ?
This is nothing wrong in the metal gear universe in term of designs.

And why these guys are complaining , they should maybe do something original themselves before critising other work..i mean something other than a rushed sequel with no creativity maybe.
breakpad  +   886d ago
haha the re ridiculous.... they dare to criticize art direction of a MGS game?? are they serious?? ....(343)they re one of the most unimaginative game developers and criticize one of the top notch Japanese artists team... 343 just go screw yourself
Shadonic  +   886d ago
Have to agree, instead of building on classic Halos gameplay which would of stuck out from the bunch of FPS this year that were mostly COD style they just went full COD because that's whats hip right now. the story and graphics were pretty but it just got boring especially when you already played titles using the same formula of gameplay for years.
Megaton  +   885d ago
Completely agree. These talentless hacks have the audacity to not only criticize an industry legend like Kojima, but to do it on grounds of female character design? Tell me more about those double-D's you "enhanced" Cortana with in Halo 4.

If there's any reason to be sick of this industry, it's because of people like him.
Inception  +   886d ago
ROTFL, another day of big hypocrisy from the western media and western dev. I luv it! ^^
BlaqMagiq24  +   886d ago
Guys Imma be honest here. I see no problem with Quiet's design. I really don't. She's a sniper and if she needs to get to her spot quick to make a kill I don't see how she needs to be wearing any armor. Plus they tried to make EVA into something of a sex symbol in MGS3. There was even a prompt where you could look at EVA while she's wearing nothing but a bra and bikini. If people don't have a problem with that why do they have a problem with Quiet?

Just my two cents.
Hicken  +   886d ago
There's no real problem. It's just a way to get noticed. Speaking out against it if you're a small site gets you hits, and if you're a dev it gets you exposure, even if you don't really need it.
Godlovesgamers  +   885d ago
"Speaking out against it if you're a small site gets you hits, and if you're a dev it gets you exposure"

And you base this on what? You time running a small gaming website or being a dev, or perhaps you're just doing what you always do; making grand assumptions based on no real life experience and presenting them as fact.

Gotta try harder. Your own logic can be used against you; your stance is hypocritical.
bigboss1990  +   886d ago
Halo is shit!
Shadonic  +   886d ago
*Halo 4 is shit ( fixed that for you)
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paul-p1988  +   886d ago
People, especially this guy, are missing the bigger picture, Kojima has ALWAYS had attractive women in the games, Meryl in MGS1, Fortune in MGS2, Eva in MGS3, The Beauty and Beasts in MGS4, not to mention the posters and playboy mags in all of them.

The thing is, they weren't used to sell the games, they were just characters involved in a large part of the plot, or distractions for enemies to get through the game a little easier, and heck to have a bit more fun with it.

And lets face it, the average player of MGS is at least late teens, if not in 20s or 30s, and they would rather see an attractive woman than close ups of Snake topless, which is why these type of pictures get released way before release, then the odd one of Snake turns up...
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gano  +   886d ago
Halo is garbage.
Nothing about that game is special or important, nothing.
When you can make a game on mgs caliber, we'll consider your statement.
Swiggins  +   886d ago
The 5 million or so Halo fans would disagree, but hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.
gano  +   886d ago
not sure what the 5mil mean, mgs had more.
Halo was a tween thing, there was nothing tween about
metal gear.
There is nohing inspiring, deep, or philosophical let alone,
interesting about a faceless robot soldier.
So my point still stands, now fuc xbone and halo a garbage fps.
Doom kills that.

Ps : I been sleeping very well thanks.
Redempteur  +   886d ago
yeah right ... metal gear is a franchise that is around since the 90's and something everyone want a slice of the pie ... in term of fanbase halo is behind mgs if for the fact alone that mgs fans are all across the medium , not just on xbox , like halo is..
Swiggins  +   886d ago
That wasn't a comparison of MGS to Halo...why would I do that in the first place, it's like comparing Apples and Hamburgers, doesn't make any sense.

You're delusional if you think the Halo games aren't of the highest quality. I don't know what your qualifier of "Special" is but I've loved pretty much every Halo game that came out. I loved every MGS as well, they're both great series.

I'm not sure what being "inspiring" or "deep" or "philosophical" has anything to do with having fun....which is what Games are meant to be.

Metal Gear isn't even really all that tells me nothing about the human condition that I couldn't get from a dozen other games, 100 other movies or 1000 other books.
NateCole  +   886d ago
I am a guy and i like seeing sexy women in games and other form of entertainment. I do not in anyway enjoy it to degrade women and to be honest it is the opposite. I appreciate beauty which ofcourse is in the eye of the beholder. If this somehow makes me a pig in the eyes of certain people the so be it. I know i am not.
Dark_Overlord  +   886d ago
I'll post what I did in the failed version of this article

"Bloody hypocrate, anyone seen Cortana from Halo 4?


She's wearing even less than the image he's complaining about."
svoulis  +   886d ago
This is a Hideo Kojima Game. Are you joking me. He puts sexy women in his game all the time. Anyone Play MGS4? I guess 343 was feeling lonely with NOTHING to talk about for their company, so they needed some kind of ridiculousness to get them on the news again.

Hideo Kojima is known for making Sexy Women powerful figures in his games its a point he is trying to prove. If other Devs can't think like Hideo or even bring themselves up to his level. That's fine.

But to down right be a hypocrite about it, when your female character god sexier over time...for what exactly? Hell why not make her just a face in Halo 5?
rextraordinaire  +   886d ago
That, and not only female. Snake himself is on the exploitative side of the male body (Dat ass!) and Raiden is often depicted completely naked.

Where are those authors from, really? 0_o
quenomamen  +   886d ago
Those who can create great looking highly detailed characters do it, those who can't talk about those who do. Go steal some more BMX helmet designs for HALO 5 buddy. Kojima been making games since before you where playing Super Mario on NES.
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Joe913  +   886d ago
@ Septic Why do you feel the need to defend Halo so bad why can't ppl have their own opinion and you just respect it after like the 3rd comment ok we get it you really like Halo and do not think it is generic I respect that so why don’t you respect other ppl opinion. Sorry it just bugs me when someone can't voice their opinion with out you saying something about it and I know you’re going to say hey I'm just voicing my opinion well you’re not because everyone that says something negative about Halo or the Xbox you have a response to its not your opinion that’s you being a troll. I really want to know why you feel the need to respond to everyone who did not enjoy Halo did you help make it maybe you helped Microsoft fund the game why would you waste time when it does not benefit anyone at all don't bother responding after I read an article and move on I do not come back so I will not read your response.
LAWSON72  +   886d ago
I could say the same about (not exploitave but unimpressive and lazy) the crap chest and shoulder armors in halo 4 compared to reach and even 3
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