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Microsoft's Penello: No way is Xbox One giving up 30% power advantage to PS4

XMNR: Much of the focus in the console war between the PS4 and Xbox One has been the perceived power advantage Sony's console has over Microsoft's. Following a published interview with Rev3Games Thursday, Microsoft Director of Product Planning Albert Penello explained why there's no way the company is willing to give the competition a huge performance advantage. (PS4, Xbox One)

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abc1233  +   446d ago
"Penello then brought up similar instances where Sony and fans of the Playstation proclaimed superior performance with the PS2 and PS3 before concluding that, "in the end, games on our system looked the same or better."

Haha, four words: The Last of Us.
cl1983  +   446d ago
Your comparing an exclusive to what?

@ abc below

He stated the games on both systems looked the same or better, I'll go ahead and mention Gears because they all had the same type of shading, quite frankly I dislike that type of shading.
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abc1233  +   446d ago
Any game on the 360. If games on the 360 looked the same or better then there should be at least one game that can match TLOU...
Maddens Raiders  +   446d ago
@abc1233 - There are way more words than just those as well. Uncharteds, GOW3, GT5, KZ's, LBPs, Motorstorms, MGS4, SuperStardust, Journey, Heavenly Sword, Heavy Rain, etc, etc..

"While a free speed boost is of course nice, this isn’t going to make up the massive performance lead granted by the PS4′s GPU, which has 50% more compute units (cores), and thus 50% higher theoretical peak performance."
http://www.extremetech.com/...

This is just another MS pr spin job. The next thing Panello will say is, "we've actually packaged a PS4 into each XBOXONE."
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abzdine  +   446d ago | Well said
Penello needs to buy himself glasses..
thanks for the laugh btw
NewMonday  +   446d ago | Well said
"Microsoft's Penello: No way is Xbox One giving up 30% power advantage to PS4"

like he has a choice in the matter

and the PS4 power advantage is actually

GPU 50% more
shaders 50% more
fill rate 100% more
RAM is 8G totally on 170gb/s
architecture has both hUMA and HSA

and the GPU can do CPU tasks
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abc1233  +   446d ago | Well said
@Maddens Raiders: Yeah I know, but I just thought those 4 words would be enough to end it then and there.

@cl1983: Yes that is what he said, but why does that go against what I'm saying? Multiplats had no bearing on the performance of the hardware last gen considering the different architectures, that's not the case this gen. How does Gears come close to TLOU?
PLASTICA-MAN  +   446d ago
"Microsoft's Penello: No way is Xbox One giving up 30% power advantage to PS4"
He is right because the amount is at least 40% without counting the hidden hardware surprises Sony didn't announce yet. And the games wil look at least 200% to 300% better thanks to the magical expertise of Sony first Party studios like Studio Santa Monica and Naughty Dog.

Mister Penello, it is easy to talk, but can you prove with ACTS?
360ICE  +   446d ago
Well, for yeah. It's a fallacy, though, if he wanted to make the point that 360 could compete in the power department, because the PS3 is well known to be hard to work it. PS3 exclusives smashed 360 all over the place in the graphics department, even if Halo 4 and Forza Horizon looked very nice indeed.
Muerte2494  +   446d ago | Intelligent
Math is universal for a reason. It helps us explain/understand things that otherwise wouldn't be explainable. This is done through physics, matter, and formulas.
We're not saying theoretical performance from Xbox One isn't possible, just it has yet to be proven. PS4 numbers (RAM) are proven aka constant as oppose to ESRAM (190gb/s min - 204gb/s peak *theoretical).
This was company playing the "number don't matter" game earlier this year. Now you're throwing bloated esRAM numbers and slight upclocks. 10% increase to the CPU and 6% (clock not shaders) increase. That's still only about an 8% increase overall in performance. PS4 is still 42% more powerful. But hey numbers don't matter.
scott182  +   446d ago
Multiplats looked better on the 360 generally and played better, the 360 had advantages that developers liked, it was much easier to program for. Ps4 doesn't have that Problem at all it sounds like...
Lboogieskells  +   446d ago
To everything!
JokesOnYou  +   446d ago
"People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. We CREATED DirectX, the standard API’s that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their [hardware] skills, do you really think we don’t know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way we’re giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference – it would be obvious."

-Looks at wii u games, then ps4 games and X1 games..yep, he nailed it.
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u got owned  +   446d ago
Penello: "I'm stating that not everyone knows all the facts. There are still a lot of important details about the platforms that are still unknown..."

hummmm!!! double GPU anyone... Makes me wonder.
NewMonday  +   446d ago | Well said
@JokesOnYou

hello, ever hear of OpenGL?

directX is not "secret sauce", it is only relevant to MS platforms because they don't allow anything else, what developers want is low level access and the PS4 gives them that.

the most recent KillzoneSF MP previews at PAX are absolutely fantastic and absolutely nothing running on consoles comes close in graphics.

and in the graphics department DriveClub totally dominates Forza.
joeorc  +   446d ago | Well said
@cl1983

he also stated this:

"We CREATED DirectX, the standard API’s that everyone programs against."

And his Arrogance is very one sided, because OpenGL is just as viable of a standard in Graphic's API
vulcanproject  +   446d ago | Well said
OpenGL is great. Tiled resources Microsoft banged on about as if its a revolution and exclusive to windows and Xbone? Well that feature was in OpenGL first anyway!!!
Elimin8  +   446d ago
@ Maddens Raiders... I seriously LMAO on this comment!

"we've actually packaged a PS4 into each XBOXONE."
ABizzel1  +   446d ago | Well said
It's too late, You already gave them the advantage when you let them have a more powerful GPU which is the most important part of a gaming console.

They can over-clock all they want to try and match the PS4, but the PS4 can do the exact same thing and we'll be back from the start.
raytraceme  +   446d ago
SO I guess this guy forgot what sony's 1st party did with the "alien tech" that was the cell. What Sony's ICE team can do is equally or even greater than MS and their team. MS uses DX while Playstation uses opengl plus their their own stuff over it to get closer to coding to the metal.
andrewsqual  +   446d ago
Yes its called Unreal Engine 3. Here is a list of games that used it http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

And Penello waited 4 months after the console reveal to say this why?
Remember, you can't spell reversal without reveal.
thechosenone  +   445d ago
Penello has resorted to lying now I see. I've now officially lost all respect for this company.
Freedomland  +   445d ago
Why Microsoft pleading their case like nobody would believe them.
Actually they gave a real hard spin to their policies and now they are doing same with the hardware, using the language and terms no layman will understand and even well versed in computer feel puzzled.
Remember that when Sega came up with a term Blast Processing related to Genesis against Nintendo and it proved to be a marketing stunt and don't forget 64 bit stunt of Jaguar.

http://segaretro.org/Blast_...
http://videogamecritic.com/...

All X1 fanboys be ready to compare all X1 launch titles graphically with the E3 showing of the same games and you know what i mean here.Nvidia vs AMD.
Disappointment is not an option.
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strifeblade  +   445d ago
@plastica-man

What hidden surprises in sony's architecture? not one tech site has even questioned anything about sony's revealed architecture while numerous techsites know msoft has not fully revealed their specs. Every tech sites states the ps4 architecture is off the shelf.

HELL ITS SO OFF THE SHELF I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF I FOUND A BAG OF MS.VICKIE'S HIDING UNDER THERE LOL.
gaffyh  +   445d ago | Well said
PS4 IS more powerful than Xbone in every technical way. Fact.

PS3 was more powerful than 360 overall. 360 had advantages in certain areas, such as unified memory and a better graphics card.

Conclusion = PS4 games will look better than Xbone unless a developer rushes a PS4 version and takes time on Xbone version.
Death  +   445d ago | Well said
It's incredible how many experts there are here at N4G. Have you seen a PS4 with your own eyes? Have you seen the XboxOne? Can you explain why the actual experts aren't sure what all the customizations mean on the XboxOne?

Graphics don't mean shit. Blu-ray didn't do shit for games. You can Last of Us all you want, but the fact remains it isn't the hardware that made the game what it is, it was the developers. If you knew anything about PC tech, games running on a 7700 or 7900 can "look" the same, the difference will be how many fps you can play at. There is no game that exists on either platform that wouldn't look exactly the same on the other console. Biggest difference maybe a frame or two per second.

Forget "code to the metal" and any other illusions of power you think you know. The difference at the end of the day will be native resolution and frames per second. HDTV's limit resolution more than anything. Comparing PC numbers to the consoles is ignorant at best since resolution is reduced. This leaves fps as the biggest defining factor. It is highly unlikely we will be able to see the differences between Xbox One and PS4 games. Why not wait and see before we "know" something.
joshuatobi  +   445d ago
Im a playstation guy and adding everyrhing up they may have a second gpu in the wings considering they had drm and were probably counting on the extra money from software sales to offset losses since they were guaranteed money because people had to buy new. Now they dont have the drm so it would be a catastrophic loss if they implemented the second gpu but might be willing to do it since sony is whipping their asses in preorders and want some respect from gamers. I think they are gonna most likely absorb the losses and add that gpu so they have another marketing thing to say, one up sony and see if its enough to turn a profit down the road
pixelsword  +   445d ago
"People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. We CREATED DirectX, the standard API’s that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their [hardware] skills, do you really think we don’t know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way we’re giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference – it would be obvious."

"-Looks at wii u games, then ps4 games and X1 games..yep, he nailed it."

-Looks at windows 8, the fact that Windows programmers have yet to make a worthwhile game besides Solitaire, and... oh, let's throw out an old game like God of War III for good measure.

Granted the 360 had a lot of great games, but his statement carries very little weight in reference to overall achievement on the 360 versus the PS3 in terms of scale and graphics. I do believe that the Sony talked the most garbage and delivered the least of what they talked about (120fps, 1080, for example) but even that does not take away from what Sony achieved already.

So I'm afraid I have to counter with:

not really.
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DOMination-  +   445d ago
Crysis 2/3 on 360 looks as good as any ps3 exclusive. The PS3 was the more powerful console on paper and some games showed that but the gap between them in final end product is not as huge as is being made out
MazzingerZ  +   445d ago
"People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. We CREATED DirectX, the standard API’s that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their [hardware] skills, do you really think we don’t know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way we’re giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference – it would be obvious."

1-SONY has more expertise in creating games
2-It's not "people" who lauds SONY for their HW but developers themselves
3-it goes beyond just graphics, the "smartest" 3rd party developers in the world built the PS4 HW indirectly as the architecture is built based on their feedback as well, SONY took its time to visit them and ask about their dream HW for next gen, they had someone that spoke their language and they respected: Cerny

We should stop comparing coming gen this way, it's not just about graphics this time or sell numbers but dev times, PS4 is told to be as fast to develop as the PS2, you know that was they key fir the PS2 success, so the possibility of some smaller studios( or indies taking the next step)to develop only for PS4 is there just like some multiplatform releasing first on PS4 as they will be ready faster, then port to X1.
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Consoldtobots  +   445d ago
not another generation of these effin retards living in denial......

this is why MS and their fans are better off IGNORED!!!
FamilyGuy  +   445d ago
I really like this quote

"If there was really huge performance difference – it would be obvious."

It actually IS obvious

Killzone Shadowfall is gorgeous, has large environments, highly detailed character models, realist cloth texture that sway in the wind naturally, at 60Fps and 1080p

DriveClub looks more realistic than any other racers so far. The car models are nice and the subtle color tones makes it look more true to real life but on top of that realistic lighting effects blow other games out the water. Day, mid-day, night, rain, it all looks phenomenal. The light that the headlights produce when you're on a track at night are above anything I've seen in a racing game. The sense of speed while racing on the tracks, the glare and partial reflection seen on the on the window are amazing too.

Infamous Second Son, open world, extremely high detail in the character models, lighting effects caused by the powers, the realistic looks of the wet street when it's raining and the reflection off that wet street surface. The particle effect seen when Delsin uses his powers, the speed of the game play shown: attacks and movement, the lighting effects of the sun.

Knack - Just wait for large, bright explosions and reflective surfaces, some enemy attacks when they're using glowing weapons. It's obviously not as big a deal as the others but it has it's moments if you're watching. During Sony Feb reveal when they show Knack being played on the Vita there's a very quick explosion, watch how the room lights up and the reflections on the floor and wall surfaces. This is an example of the unexpected beauties in Knack.

Destiny, Everyone agrees that the game looks phenomenal right? Everything we've seen has been game play from the PS4 version. There is no PC version whatsoever so don't try to claim it's PC graphics, it's only been shown running on PS4 dev kits.

Tech Demo of Deep Down needs no explanation, at TGS they'll be showing a playable copy.

Tech Demo of The Dark Sorcerer, running on PS4 spec'd hardware. Also needs no explanation.

Penello.. the differences ARE obvious.

http://s18.postimg.org/cnfm...
Ritsujun  +   445d ago
Aww, poor Xbosh.
mewhy32  +   445d ago
OMG. Just do the math. It's probably more than 30%. I mean the bone fans and marketing execs are really getting desperate.
The_Con-Sept  +   445d ago
Microsoft's PR team is really flustered. holy crap I can't believe the crap they are spewing! Bringing up the past as if it is a future.

A wise man once said: "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."

And Sony has set out to have us achieve greatness. Too bad Microsoft is too busy seeking 1.
YNWA96  +   445d ago
50% more fanboy too! Yes! Awesome :)
C'mon guys, just enjoy the games, these pointless arguments have to stop sometime...
RyuCloudStrife  +   445d ago
I though the PS4 was 50% more powerful?
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Gozer  +   445d ago
Lot of butt hurt sony fanboys in this thread. Nothing can change the fact that Ryse looks better than anything for ps4.
mcstorm  +   445d ago
Wow wtf is this site turning into. Who really gives a carp what console has better graphics the one and ps4 will have the same multi platform games that you will not be able to see the difference in when you are playing one or the other as you will not be playing them side by side.

Buy the console that has the most gamea you want it is really that simple. If you want games like forza, halo you need a one if you want get, kz ect you need a ps4 if you want Mario Zelda ecr you need a Wiiu if you don't want any exclusive games but want bf or cod buy the console that more of your mates have so you can enjoy it online with them. Really people its that simple.
Rainstorm81  +   445d ago
funny how people say N4G is a Sony fan site yet the first 5 comments have at avg 200 disagrees
starchild  +   445d ago
I thought console gamers didn't care that much about graphics? At least that is what we PC gamers always hear from them.

But graphics related articles always get by far the most comments and the fiercest fighting. Why is that?

I don't get it. The difference between the PS3 and 360 was very small, while the difference between either console and the PC was huge.

Why does it matter if a couple of exclusives by a handful of very talented developers looked better on the PS3? Certainly that only effects those games. If you enjoy those games then you also get to enjoy some great graphics in those games. But it doesn't change everything else about the platform.

Personally it all seems a bit silly for Sony fans to try and rub marginal graphical advantages in a few games in the faces of Xbox fans. If you REALLY cared about graphics, you should be gaming on the PC, period. All the best looking games are on PC and the graphical advantages are across the board in every game, not just a couple of exclusives.
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Snookies12  +   446d ago
The Last of Us really was a gorgeous game. Halo Reach/4 did a good job of impressing me though considering how old the hardware was. That goes for both Halo and Last of Us.
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dboyc310  +   446d ago
halo reach does't come close to Uncharted 2/3 or The Last of Us
Snookies12  +   446d ago
@dboyc310 - When did I ever compare Uncharted, or even Last of Us to Halo? I was pointing out that both series for their respective platforms are really good looking. Given the fact that Halo is a bit more open than Uncharted is though, it looks really good for what they're working with. Though I'm not knocking Uncharted, I love the series, just stating a fact.
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Elit3Nick  +   446d ago | Well said
especially considering that halo reach/4 are sandbox fps games with large maps, with uncharted and TLOU since they have much less play space they can focus on better textures and effects. Halo looks amazing for its size.
Manic2014  +   446d ago
@dboyc310

That just seems like a completely bias opinion. Both halo and TLOU is great. what you said is completely bias, try looking from both sides not from the system you favour.
malokevi  +   446d ago
Halo 4 looks fantastic, as does TLOU. Two different artistic directions, two different types of game, two different platforms. Direct comparisons are meaningless.
kabala  +   446d ago
Show me a game on the 360 that looks better than TLOU then show me a game on the PS3 that looks better & run better than Halo 4 with 2 player campaign co-op, 4 player campaign co-op, forge, online multiplayer. Throw Gears, Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six Vegas in the mix. Bottom line both consoles played to their strengths.
Volkama  +   445d ago
I actually find naughty dog's games have a horrible grainy appearance over slightly shiny textures. Not sure if it's deliberate (like mass effect film grain) but it's not to my tastes.

Besides that I love their attention to detail on the visuals, but didn't enjoy TLOU enough to finish it. Each to their own though, and I'm sure I'll pick up ND's next release too.
BallsEye  +   445d ago
Like I wrote elsewhere..
I would agree but the last of us had a huge graphic downgrade from the first e3 demo to the retail version.

e3
http://cdn.dualshockers.com...

http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...

later..

http://community.us.playsta...

http://punchdrunkgamer.com/...

http://www.abload.de/img/aa...

http://www.abload.de/img/mo...

While it's a great game, they've BS'd about the graphics. Now if you disagree you better give some arguments and reply. Please look up The Last of us Graphic Downgrade. It's everywhere, even on official sony forums.
HammadTheBeast  +   445d ago
BallsEye

Pre.rendered screenshots. Do not. Equal. Gameplay screenshots.

And there's the slightest decline in graphics.
SniperControl  +   445d ago
@ballseye

Wow, just wow, are you really standing by that?

Everyone knows E3 game reveals are all bullshots, remember this.

http://www.abload.de/img/ge...

Hands down TLoU, is better than anything on the 360.
Yomaster  +   445d ago
The Last of Us looked good for the age of the console it was running on. However, as great of a game as it was, there were times I looked at graphics and thought, "Damn, that looks like crap."

I don't fault the game for it, but merely the age of the hardware it was running on.

Regardless, TLoU, let alone any other console game, graphically pales in comparison to anything on a decent PC GPU. Not trying to run the PC master race card or anything, but calling ANY console game gorgeous at this point is a bit of a stretch. "Good for what it has to work with" is more relevant.
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BallsEye  +   445d ago
@SniperControl

No, honestly halo 4 beats every current gen games. Even got plenty graphics of the year awards. native 720p with beautiful AA, something even Last of Us doesn't do. Please check out real screens and real gameplay.
BallsEye  +   445d ago
@SniperControl

No, honestly halo 4 beats every current gen game. Even got plenty graphics of the year awards. native 720p with beautiful AA, something even Last of Us doesn't do. Please check out real screens and real gameplay.
Evilsnuggle  +   445d ago
I own 360 and PS3 you can't compare the last of us to any other game this gen. in terms if graphics the gap is to huge no game this gen comes close to tlou . I would not believe it if i did not see it myself
With my eyes.
Lukas_Japonicus  +   446d ago
Without being biased here, there is NO way he can actually believe that Xbox 360 games look better than PS3 games, basic observation says otherwise. Ive never played a single Xbox 360 exclusive that looked anywhere near as good as The Last Of Us or Uncharted 2 and 3, or God Of War 3 to name a few.

Multiplats on the other hand......
adventureghost124  +   446d ago
True with both of those statements, however they could have looked better on the PS3 than the 360 if Dev's took the time to learn the PS3 Architecture. Which I know was a pain to program for, but you see how it turned out at the end if this generation. And we will definitely see most if not all titles looking better on the PS4 this upcoming Gen
Machiavellian  +   445d ago
When people compare graphics do they also compare environments. Scope in a game makes just as much difference than just Eye candy. Case in point would be Killzone SF and BattleField 4. People talk about how good Killzone looks over BF4 but forget the scope of the 2 games. Another thing people forget is the ability of developers. When you have multiplats you see what can be done in a limited time between both systems.
Funantic1  +   445d ago
That has to do with the studio more than the PS3. Naughty Dog does a great job.
Eonjay  +   445d ago
According to math, which isn't unbiased, the PS4 is roughtly 40% more powerful than the Xbox One. This isn't even up for debate. To be far though, I don't expect Penello to admit that. Why would he? Seriously?
SniperControl  +   445d ago
@fun

What???

ND created those graphics because the PS3 allowed to them to create those graphics.
rigbybot127  +   445d ago
@SniperControl Actually, it was their talent, and the space of a Blu-Ray disc that allowed them to make their shining masterpieces. The PS3 and 360 were about neck and neck in terms of power; it was just the disc space that set them apart.
SonyNGP  +   446d ago
Famous last words.
Narutone66  +   445d ago
Read title: No way Xbox One giving up 30% power advantage to PS4.
So, it's 50% then?
Lukas_Japonicus  +   446d ago
Agreed. All you have to do is go onto Youtube yourself for proof that PS3 exclusives look better than Xbox's. Its not about being a fanboy or being biased, its just basic observation. But i do think Forza 4 is a very very nice looking game.

Although i think in that quote he was referring to multiplats because alot of the time the 360 multiplats looked better than the PS3 multiplats. There's no way he could have been talking about exclusives.
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abc1233  +   446d ago
If he's talking about multiplats then he should know that the reason behind that is gone for next gen considering they both have x86 architectures. So now that the X1 doesn't have the advantage of being easier to develop for, how are they going to make up the difference in hardware performance.
aceitman  +   446d ago
wow ever since Penello stepped in he is talking a lot of smack hopefully we will see who is the one telling the truth , once the systems launch we will see final product on the games and vido comparisons (head to head will do a lot of them ) to see which system is having frame rate issues and graphic details . launch dates cant come fast enough.
GiantEnemyCrab  +   446d ago
Alan Wake looked damn amazing.

But I have to agree Uncharted, Killzone, TLOU, Heavy Rain set the bar high. I give more credit to the developers than anything else. They have some of the best people in the industry working at these studios.
Lukas_Japonicus  +   446d ago
Damn i forgot about Alan Wake, i loved that game so much, and yeah it did look really good graphically.
HammadTheBeast  +   446d ago
Alan Wake had some amazing lighting for it's time.

In the end, it's all down to the studios.
wishingW3L  +   446d ago
Alan Wake was kind of decent looking but it had poor frame-rate, it was sub-HD and the animations were absolutely horrible.
WeAreLegion  +   446d ago
You guys should try the PC version of Alan Wake with mods. Absolutely gorgeous!
Volkama  +   445d ago
Ah I tried Alan wake recently. PC version all maxed out (without mods). I thought it was visually quite poor, mostly because the animations were terrible. I also didn't like the combat at all. Another highly rated game I didn't get in to. Quantum break looks more to my liking though.
starchild  +   445d ago
You have to be kidding me about Alan Wake supposedly having poor animations. The animations were just fine. Not the best I have seen, but certainly not poor. Well above average I would say.

In any case the animations definitely couldn't ruin the visuals. That's absurd. Alan Wake on PC is one of the best looking games on the platform. It would probably crack the top 15 if not the top 10 best looking games on PC. And it has some amazing competition with the likes of Crysis 3, Far Cry 3, Tomb Raider, Metro Last Light, Battlefield 3, The Witcher 2, etc.
corvusmd  +   446d ago
That game was good, but not the Xbox killer you want to believe at all...nice try though
MELMAN26  +   446d ago
I wouldn't sit here and say that any game on the xbox looks better than GOW or Uncharted 3, but I will say that it took a VERY long time to get that power out.

The XB1 will be my first choice, you probably will not see the TRUE power/difference of the ps4 until around 2015-2016.
THC CELL  +   446d ago
Hmm I would not say that, God of war looks better than some of the next gen games we seen meh to me all u want God of war, developers will show ms up. Nd will finish it all. Btw ms are blind so there u go.
rigbybot127  +   445d ago
Yeah. Xbox One is still gonna have gorgeous games. I'm mostly going with PS4 because of Rime, Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, and whatever Naughty Dog is cooking up.
NextGen24Gamer  +   446d ago
Penello said:

"I’m not saying they haven’t built a good system – I’m merely saying that anyone who wants to die on their sword over this 30%+ power advantage are going to be fighting an uphill battle over the next 10 years…"

And he also said:

"People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. We CREATED DirectX, the standard API’s that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their [hardware] skills, do you really think we don’t know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way we’re giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference – it would be obvious."

That's real talk right there! Common sense stuff.

11+22+13=46 - 4+6=10 - 1+0=1
AngelicIceDiamond  +   446d ago
"I’m not saying they haven’t built a good system – I’m merely saying that anyone who wants to die on their sword over this 30%+ power advantage are going to be fighting an uphill battle over the next 10 years…"

Hes speaking DIRECTLY to Sony fans with this comment?

Lets see.

Albert Panello: Lead planner for Xbox One and Xbox 360 and also influenced the X1's architecture and specs.

VS

Your everyday N4G Sony fans.

Forget the lottery I rather bet on this.
MasterCornholio  +   446d ago
Its more like

Albert Panello: Lead planner for Xbox One and Xbox 360 and also influenced the X1's architecture and specs.

VS

Mark Cerny: Lead system architect of the PS4

He said this during gamescom "The PS4 is the World's Most Powerful Console"

Who should we believe?
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AngelicIceDiamond  +   445d ago
@Master The games that get launched and beyond.
acdata  +   446d ago
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acdata  +   446d ago
one nightmare "The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim"
your "four word" has painted texture and lots of scripted AI & events
ps3 cant handle real game like skyrim GTA IV and ....
lost time i checked after more than 7 years of development on ps3 saint row 4 run in SD resolution and 15 fps
THC CELL  +   446d ago
Yawn. Last of us beat every single 360 exclusive to date. Also my pedigree chum don't blame Sony blame developers. Rumor has it gta v lead platform on ps3
SpideySpeakz  +   446d ago
Fact: MS was heavily involved in first content for GTA4 and Skyrim. Microsoft paid 20mil for exclusive day 1 release for GTA4. Skyrim content came first on the Xbox. PC didn't even get this content first even though that's the leading platform. That tells me MS had their greedy hands all in R* and Bethesda's cookie bar.
I wouldn't be surprise if they paid them to make it run shitty on the PS platform.

They've already been caught bullying publishers years ago. MS are corporate snakes.
acdata  +   446d ago
so it seems Ms paid Blizzard Entertainment to make ps3 version of Diablo3 the worst version, funny.
T2  +   446d ago
How does poor programming reflect on ps3 ? And more importantly how is this related to ps4 with totally different architecture
joefrost00  +   445d ago
I hear you sony fans scream Last of Us to you blue in the face
When in all honesty it suppose to look good
One the game was slow as shit
Two wasn't never really that much stuff going on
And technically you had clipping and serious AI issues
If I remember didn't halo 4 win best graphics of the year last year
rigbybot127  +   445d ago
@THC CELL GTA V was developed on both PS3 and 360, simultaneously. I agree that The Last of Us beat every 360 exclusive, but the best games of this generation (Portal 2, Bioshock) were on both systems, and ran very similarly.
SpideySpeakz  +   446d ago
Because MS has policies in place that states every multipat game should run at the same level of fidelity as the competitor. http://www.gamesindustry.bi...

That's why Sony exclusives are vastly better than MS exclusives.
JamieL  +   445d ago
I think saying Sony exclusives are "vastly" better is pushing it a little. I agree you can say they look better, but ya'll try to make it seem like it's a generation better or something. The difference is not that big at all.
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MizTv  +   444d ago
It's very sad
Belking  +   446d ago
sorry bud, TLOU was god but it wasn't better graphically than some of the older games on ps3. Graphically it wasn't that impressive. Uncharted looks better to me.
aceitman  +   446d ago
@belkin u have a lot of positive stuff to say about ms and a lot of negative against sony on ur comments , so I take it as u never played tlou, trolling r u.
MysticStrummer  +   445d ago
Sorry bud, but you're either blind or insane. I just saw TLoU for the first time a few days ago and it's clearly a graphical advancement over any of the UC games, though they all look great.
aceitman  +   446d ago
does penello put his foot in his mouth with this one,
http://www.gamespot.com/new...
if its meaningless then why the hell are they bumping up there specs, nice pr move penello.
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ziggurcat  +   446d ago
the funny thing is that before anything was announced on either side, when rumoured specs came out (that turned out to be mostly true), xbox fans were beating the "bu-bu-but power isn't important, only games" drum probably because penello said how comparing specs is meaningless.

now that the xbone specs are pretty much out there (although xbox fans are grasping onto this non-existant dGPU), it's "xbone is more powerful" even though the PS4 remains the more dominant console spec-wise.

they're even claiming that the CPU speed on xbone is faster despite the fact that nothing has been confirmed regarding the PS4 CPU. if recent rumours are true, it *might* be somewhere in the 2.0GHZ range (an FCC report stated that 2.75GHZ was its peak, but there's no way that it'll be anything close to that number).
TheTwelve  +   446d ago
Exactly. All Albert did was discredit himself by making claims that are obviously wrong to anybody with eyes to see.
stage88  +   446d ago
@abc1233

+bubbles well said.

This Penello guy have obviously never played any of the PlayStation exclusives. The ignorance from him is appalling.
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The_Infected  +   446d ago
"Penello then brought up similar instances where Sony and fans of the Playstation proclaimed superior performance with the PS2 and PS3 before concluding that, "in the end, games on our system looked the same or better."

Two words for you Microsoft. "Things change"
ziggurcat  +   446d ago
there's simply no way that any X360 game looked better than any PS3 exclusive.
palaeomerus  +   445d ago
"there's simply no way that any X360 game looked better than any PS3 exclusive."

Lol. Lots of PS3 exclusives were practically budget games. Move Heroes? Ratchet and Clank All 4 One? 3d.Heroes? Playstation All Stars Battle Royale? Mod Nation Racers? Sly Cooper 4? LOL! yeah that's just amazing stuff lol! Who the hell was ever blown away by that?

Even with the Naughty Dog stuff it rings kind of hollow and ignorant.

Nobody really buys into the PS3 exclusive graphical dominance any more. Even third party games caught up like Tomb Raider, Crysis 2 and 3,etc.

It just sounds like desperate delusional BS. And it has for like a couple of years now.
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Seafort  +   445d ago
At least the PS3 had some exclusives over the past few years.

What happened to the Xbox exclusives since Kinect was announced on x360? That's right they all dried up cos MS wanted a piece of the casual gamer pie.

It'll happen this time around too as MS only have 1 or 2 1st party studios worth mentioning compared to the 20+ studios of the Sony worldwide family.
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Rainstorm81  +   444d ago
@palaeo

Graphically comparing TR to U2-3 sounds like desperate delusional BS... Tomb raider doesnt look nearly as good and yes ive completed both games.

I agreed with your argument until you said ND and a game so heavily influenced by the Uncharted series, those other games arent graphically impressive at all though.

Also KZ2-3 gives the console versions of crysis a run for its money
TheHierarchy  +   446d ago
The last of us looks good but it's character's don't move as real as halo4's. Halo 4's facial animations were number 1. http://youtu.be/GbjA6rB98Yk...

you'ed be kidding your self about halo 4's level of detail. now lets go on to Quantum Brake; that game has number 1 looking characters. they move as good real life it's self...and i don't see ANY game on PS4 moving like how they do. SHOW ME THE PROOF!
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fghtrer3fb5erg  +   445d ago
Haha youre a joke bro! Youre comparing cutscenes lol, Quantum brake was all cutscenes, show me real gameplay bro! All we have seen about ps4 games was real gameplay.
fghtrer3fb5erg  +   445d ago
Haha youre a joke bro! Youre comparing cutscenes, how dumb is that..
TheDevKit  +   445d ago
@DatRamboX

Halo uses real time cut scenes.
dontbhatin  +   445d ago
@ TheDevKit

And The Last Of Us doesn't??

Just watched those halo cut-scenes, and even though they are well done. It is well behind The Last Of Us. I have never been so attached to characters in a video game in my life like i was with The Last Of Us.
Rainstorm81  +   444d ago
The opening cutscenes of TLOU were not only gorgeous but emotionally moving....Literally every time i play the game from the beginning i get chills.

I played Halo 4 and immediately when Master Chief awakens you realize how great that game looks and is probably 360s best looking game.

But when it comes to Facial animations and character animation, most 360 games are lacking especially compared to TLOU or Uncharted, While Halo 4 does look great, its outmatched
AlphaTauri  +   446d ago
@abc1233 after 7 years, one Game is all you've gotten? And that's a very different environment with nothing similar on 360 to compare.
ziggurcat  +   446d ago
1st party: killzone 2, killzone 3, uncharted, uncharted 2, uncharted 3, heavy rain, god of war 3, god of war ascension, MGS4... shall i go on?

3rd party:

l.a. noire, max payne 3, tomb raider, remember me, and dishonored (to name a few) all looked/performed better on PS3.
rigbybot127  +   445d ago
@ziggurcat Max Payne 3 ran better and had better foliage on 360, but the rest of the games ran better on PS3.
joefrost00  +   446d ago
You do realize the 360 was a more powerful system but things like cross game chat and party chat and voice messaging during games takes up ram
They had more ram allocated toward system features thats why you have a graphical advantage for the ps3
If MS would have cut those features out like sony did and put it towards games,
The games would have not been close 360 would have looked far better
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jetlian  +   445d ago
actually 360 had more ram even with party chat etc on. 360 games have bigger worlds and more stuff going on!

ps3 was suppose to be 2 times the power and ended up being weaker! same thing sony said about ps2 and it was weak.

http://kotaku.com/john-carm...
1:50 to 2:05

go compare halo to killzone, halo is wide open by comparasion. halo's do 4 player sc online, forge recording etc.

open world games in general struggled on ps3. skyrim even gta4 was sub hd same with rdr.
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abc1233  +   445d ago
Open world games struggled? And what about Infamous 2?
joefrost00  +   445d ago
Why do I have disagrees for telling facts
Anybody who disagrees with me tell me what part did I lie about
And if im not mistaken didnt halo 4 win best overall graphics last year
Infamous 2 had a open world but one thing it was slow as shit and you never had that much stuff going on at once
BX81  +   446d ago
Some parts of the last of us didn't look that great. It's a good looking game all around. This gen ps3 had the better looking exclusives but it wasn't like it blew the competition away. It still looked better though. I thought Xbox had some great looking games as well. Alan wake and gears are good examples. I think in the end, overall the ps3 had lesser games I wanted to play but looked great. Xbox had more games I played and looked pretty good.
Docknoss  +   445d ago
If You sony fans didn't really think this were true you, wouldn't be here trolling and defending the PS4's superiority. I take this as a good thing.
THamm  +   445d ago
Yes to even admit that there INDEED is a performance gap is something. All this time they claimed that we haven't seen anything and that the X1 is the leader, now they're saying that Sony is ahead but not as much as it was at first.
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Chevalier  +   445d ago
Exactly. Microsoft also said you didn't need HDMI for HD gaming, that you don't need bluray (but now has it) and also that PS3 was only good as a media center yet now wants to be the media center in your living room right? The ones that were going to have DRM and dictate your gaming experience? The ones are making Xbox One into a box that will sell you things with ads? Yeah I totally want to believe what MS says.....
Volkama  +   445d ago
My 360 doesn't have hdmi, outputs 1080p60 over component just fine.
My 360 doesn't have a blu-ray player, plays games just fine.

Maybe they were right? That was a long time ago though, so either way has little bearing on this next set of consoles.
ZHZ90  +   445d ago
I don't sit on Neogaf but I got shocked that people at companies like MS like Albert, dear God! They write comments they do read our posts!/off-topic

Anyways I feel like they are trying to convince people like myself to move from PS brand to Xbox brand but they fail to do it, why would I buy more expensive console with inferior power.
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Deadpoolio  +   445d ago
Or uncharted....Hell almost every Sony game looked better than anything the 360 had 1st or multiplat...Sony's studios cannot be touched by MS tiny few stables that make more than just kinect games or are not being used at all
MizTv  +   444d ago
That's why I go with ps
The best exclusive games
"Real Exclusive games" not "Timed Exclusive"
3-4-5  +   445d ago
My guess:

4-5 years from now PS4 will have a 5-10% power advantage.

Only the BEST dev's will be able to take advantage of it.
palaeomerus  +   445d ago
Doubtful. Both consoles are so PC like that they'll be getting most of their dev-experience related "power increases" from library updates and GPU driver and API revisions.

It's all pretty much on the table from the start.
moparful99  +   445d ago
Lol^^^ Resogun looks better than anything announced for either console and its from an indie..
moparful99  +   445d ago
Lol^^^ Resogun looks better than anything announced for either console, is only using 50% of the PS4's processing, and its from an indie..
rigbybot127  +   445d ago
@moparful99 Yeah, indies are ruling the next gen; Rime, Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, Below, D4, and Resogun notwithstanding.
2cents  +   445d ago
Hooray, the console war has officially started! Now it gets exciting.

Time for SDF to get into 5th gear and really let it rip.

Oh the joys of gaming.
BallsEye  +   445d ago
I would agree but the last of us had a huge graphic downgrade from the first e3 demo to the retail version.

e3
http://cdn.dualshockers.com...

http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...

later..

http://community.us.playsta...

http://punchdrunkgamer.com/...

http://www.abload.de/img/aa...

http://www.abload.de/img/mo...

While it's a great game, they've BS'd about the graphics. Now if you disagree you better give some arguments and reply. Please look up The Last of us Graphic Downgrade. It's everywhere, even on official sony forums.
ninjagoat  +   445d ago
Spamming and tbh wrong.
strifeblade  +   445d ago
There you have it sony fanboys, take this info and shove it. This is the big response from msoft you have been waiting for that 30% advantage you thought ps4 had is non existant (remember when ps4 was 50% more powerful? fanboys make me laugh). I have been saying this the whole time- msoft has so many subsystems unknown to us all and the customization of its architecture easily excels sony in some areas and more than makes up for it in others. The cpu is already clocked higher than ps4 lol.
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jaren92  +   445d ago
2 words halo four
Animal Mutha 76  +   445d ago
I believe him more than any of you armchair engineers.

He doesn't know everything about PS4 and has admitted that but you can bet your ass he knows more about it and the tech of X1 than anyone on here or GAF or SA or B3D or any other f*cking debate for hits website.

He's not trying to score points here or 'save' X1 as you couldnt do that through just neogaf. I respect him for taking the time to address questions and concerns on GAF even sometimes to a hostile and in my opinion disrespectful audience.

If Cerny talked in a similar way I'd believe him as well. These guys are not PR puppets. They are passionate about what they do and they are going out of their way to address their customers directly off the books.
thetruthx1  +   445d ago
Anyone know why MS reps are now talking up game performance?

That's right you guessed it ***9/29*** :-)

Sony's contractual agreement with AMD will expire allowing Microsoft to reveal the custom silicon and the actual real specs of the Xbox One

For anyone that thought MS linked up with 30 of IBM's best hardware engineers along with AMD in 2010 to put a 6 series Radeon card in the One you're very funny lol

Since Microsoft stepped foot into the console business when have they ever launched with hugely outdated tech :)

Keep in mind this console has to at least keep up for 10 years

15 co processors, 8 for audio, 5 for graphics, and two unknown

If MS decided to go for the overkill they'll reveal W2W with a dgpu

Microsoft can't wait to expose Sony the only question is will Sony keep bragging until October

And the only developers that recently got the final SDK's are Capcom, Crytek, Ubisoft, and EA. Have you been wondering why a game like Assassins Creed or Watchdogs never show the Xbox One versions? It's because by the Sony agreements they aren't supposed to

Battlefield 4 has cloud dynamics

Remember the Need for Speed developers said one version would be better than the other ;)

Either Sept 29th or later in October the most powerful gaming console will truly be revealed :)
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HammadTheBeast  +   445d ago
Sigh. Just. Sigh.

Need for Speed and BF4 devs said it would run better than CURRENT GEN.

HUEHUEHUE BIG ACCOMPLISHMENT.

Apparently, you morons think the XbO is hiding some super flashy tech.

Then why is it the same price as PS4 (-kinect)?

Lol LATA
ziggurcat  +   445d ago
1. Link to prove Sony is preventing MS from talking about *their own specs*.

2. You're still clinging onto that non-existent dGPU...

3. Again, Sony can't prevent MS from disseminating their own hardware to developers. Nonsense.

4. Yeah, and it was hinted at being the PS4.

5. BF4 has never been shown on xbone. Even at PAX, they were demoing the game on PC with xbone controllers.

6. No because devs have already stated, as well as a rep from AMD before they were forced to retract their statement, that the PS4 is the more powerful system.

7. And it's because ubisoft has a deal with Sony, just like EA has a deal with MS... And how activision only shows CoD on Xbox... Doesn't mean they're not allowed to show it on the other system.

Try harder.

Edit: and please let me know if you need any help dislodging that giant foot from your mouth when you're proven to be wrong.
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strifeblade  +   445d ago
you know whats funny- gddr5 right now has a 25-35 gb advantage over x1 memory and that advantage will grow smaller in the future. But you know what advantage the x1 memory has over ps4? the latency and that advantage will never diminish. So for all those games that use 140-150 gb of ram (probably the majority of multiplats) the advantage lies with the x1 due to the lower latency lol ps4 will only have the advantage when the game actually uses over the 150 gb amount which will be quite rare foir now lol. Havn't you noticed the majority of fans stopped talking about gddr5 because the advantage they thought they once had is not all there lol. The theorital peak of the x1 memory is higher than ps4 memory sitting at 201- but its meaningless sameway that bull**** about ps4 being 50% stronger they forget its only theoretical as we can already see from the games- both systems look on par with eachother.
moparful99  +   445d ago
@strifeblade Sony has engineered their GPU to be able to do onboard compute functions making latency issues a non argument..

They also engineered an additional bus giving direct read/write access to the shared pool of memory.. Mary Cerny clarified that that they easily could have had a terabyte of bandwidth to the memory but determined that Unified memory was the goal.

Do yourself a favor and do research before spouting opinion as fact. Read this article, Cerny manages to in-depth explain the technical functions of this setup clearly without ever once mentioning the competition and without coming off as smug. My money is on Sony's hardware having a significant advantage.
http://www.gamasutra.com/vi...
Cueil  +   445d ago
if Microsoft allowed their fist party developers to let their games drop below 20 fps I'm sure that they could also have squeaked out some extra visuals :-p
nosferatuzodd  +   445d ago
lol
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palaeomerus  +   445d ago
Honestly I haven't seen much of ANYBODY get excited about Ryse. I'm not sure that a roman sword brawler is all that exciting a product.
Cueil  +   445d ago
yes... lets compare alpha code with final code on frame rates >_> that's not how you do things
nosferatuzodd  +   445d ago
if that was true then why trying to upgrade Cpu at the last moment i tell you what they saw what ps4 is capable of and got scared
palaeomerus  +   445d ago
The people who saw at BF4 runing on PS4 hardware at Gamescom didn't seem too scared of PS4's power. They said it looked worse than expected. Of course it hasn't shipped yet but...hype is just hype.
moparful99  +   445d ago
@paleomerus Much like how at GamesCon in the Xbox booth BF4 was running on Pc's disguised as XB1's?? It has been reported that BF4 is running awful on both consoles which speaks far more about Dice than it does the consoles.. Quit trolling.
Persistantthug  +   445d ago
XBOX One will have 3 GPUs.

lol
Eddie20101  +   445d ago
and a masseuse for happy endings and...
and cookies and warm milk.
Persistantthug  +   445d ago
@Eddie20101,

I'll take 3 to go please!

;)

PS.....And I'll take 1 Wii U....just in case.
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Eddie20101  +   445d ago
Xbox One nor Microsoft have to give anything...........PS4 and Sony are taking it by being better.
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KingTrash  +   445d ago
Uncharted looks better than The Last of Us. Both are nearly flawless games but if you're gonna talk about the best looking PS3 game, I'd go with Uncharted 2 or 3 for sure.
CRAIG667  +   445d ago
hahah the last of us?!?!!? it only took what? 7 FU%^ING YEARS.
Rageanitus  +   445d ago
I actually did not like the Last of Us graphics/style for some reason Uncharted 3, GOW 3/Acension, KZ3 Looked BETTER.
NewZealander  +   445d ago
you cant use the last of us, thats like me using halo 4, and while both halo 4 and the last of us are amazing looking games its impossible to judge how they would preform on the other consoles.

i played some of the last of us, did it look good? yes it looked great, was i blown away in awe of the best graphics ever? no, it was nice but i have seen better looking games, and it wasn't particularly fun in my opinion.
Comnnsence  +   445d ago
Why is everyone still comparing on the past? PS3 were and still is more powerful than the Xbox360. The 360 had a full year headstart, therefore giving developers more time to get acclimated with the system, thus able to extract very decent graphics from the system. As you can see, 360 is showing its age now because all games look the same. I'm not bashing the 360 because i did chose it over the PS3, but if your still debating on the past, then why would Xboneless not learn from the past to continue that trend? The developers finally are able to utilize the PS3 function which now is showing better graphics than the 360. Sony learded from their past which is why they invested in better products. This article is nothing but damage control. If power doesn't matter then why keep on feeding into it?
gamer70  +   445d ago
All the talk about the PS3 being more powerful than the 360 is just a bunch of fanboy hyperbole. The PS3 had poorly allocated ram and an inferior GPU. Fact is, every single game that fanboys hyped up for graphics on the PS3 was not even graphically consistent throughout, and that includes TLoU. Neither consoles featured a game that was graphically consistent throughout due to hardware limitations. This is an irrefutable fact! Developers have also stated that the only difference between the two machines are the trade offs, and which are preferred most.

What I've said here is just pure common sense no fanboy bs, you can disagree all you want but it still doesn't change a thing. In the end it was the developers the made the difference not the hardware. Something that you fanboys need to learn to accept.
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listenkids  +   445d ago
Did xbox original have multiplat games to even compare to ps2? That's 2 consoles you don't put into one sentence.

As for ps3, when they weren't shit ports to it, they looked and played better, fact.
CJDUNCAN  +   445d ago
The Last of Us looked amazing but multiplats hands down looked better on 360.
tokugawa  +   445d ago
on one side we have a PR mouth from microsoft

and on the other side a bunch of idiotic fanboys repeating numbers quoted by sony that they know nothing about.

not only that, sony has a history of inflating the performance of their consoles.

for me, it is not that important because i am buying both this year. but, in all honesty, i dont believe microsoft or sony. the proof will be in the pudding.

i.e: the games. until then, i think that they are both full of shit
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JsonHenry  +   445d ago
I think what this guy is getting at is that, once again, we are going to have a generation of gaming where Nintendo looks last gen and Sony and MS will be close to each other in visuals even if one of the two has a slight advantage.
Raiden  +   445d ago
I really can't wait to see what happen at the end of this month after NDA, What. Wouldthe last of us look like on the 360 i wonder never compare exclusive
marcofdeath  +   445d ago
The Last of Us still don't look better than the last
Halo!
50Terabytespersec  +   445d ago
LOL MS just spent Billions on Nokia for what?
Why they couldn't spent the money and take a loss on the Xbox One??
Now they got to run some phoney tech campaign about how the systems are similar in power.I have been at the edge of cutting edge for over 10 years.
Let me tell you this Bandwidth is everything!
I dont care how fast your CPU's are and how much memory you have ..
I you have no bandwidth your frame rate and detail will suffer ! Especially in HD or 4k ..It is basic Math not BS phoney ad or technical BS they sell you..
If you have 100GB bandwidth and some else has 200GB bandwidth . DO the math DUH
Lukas_Japonicus  +   446d ago
So glad im getting both, can't wait to see what the 1st party devs manage do with each of their respective consoles.
OlgerO  +   446d ago
Im sure there will be some real gems over the years. and even if the PS4 is 5 percent more powerfull, it will still be the to go to system for multiplats
thisismyaccount  +   446d ago
It more like 40% or even more.

PS4 :

1x Memory pool, no add. mambojumbo inside the box

Xbox :

2x Memory pools, 15 add. co-processors, 4 Move Engines, 1x High End Audio Chip (for multi stream), extra? gpgpu chip and what not...

PS4 more powerful, less complicated and cheaper.
Xbox less powerful, more complicated and 100$ more expensive.
negative  +   446d ago
I'll wait and let the games do the talking. Your simplistic hardware comparisons and fanboy biased conclusions mean nothing right now.

With that said, there is no way Microsoft would allow the competition to have that much of an advantage. Relax, though, it's not the end of the world pal.
IcicleTrepan  +   446d ago
You aren't a hardware engineer nor are you a software developer with experience on both platforms. I don't think your statement counts for anything.
MysticStrummer  +   445d ago
PS4 was designed with lots of developer input. Which do you suppose they would like better, the more straightforward setup or the more convoluted setup?

Hint : They liked the 360's setup better than PS3's because it was easier to work on.

PS3 was more powerful than 360 but it's more convoluted system made it tougher to work on.

PS4 is both more powerful and simpler to work on than the One.
yellowgerbil  +   446d ago
it doesn't really matter for years down the line. No one knows how to push the limits of either system.
My money is on Sony. Hardware is about juggling what power and affordability. The kinect is pricey, think that is why they are using things like the older ram type and stuff.
DirtyPimp  +   446d ago
ps4 is more powerful than the xbox one. fact.
waltyftm  +   446d ago
Easy now, some people cant handle that fact.
DirtyPimp  +   446d ago
Its all good, im just bringing the cold hard facts.
Elit3Nick  +   446d ago
Oh I didn't realize that you played them both yet, oh wait...
DirtyPimp  +   446d ago
glad you realise this now.
vigilante_man  +   446d ago
It does seem like Microsoft are starting to accept that on paper the PS4 has the obvious power advantage regarding graphic capabilities (pretty much core in a gaming console).

It is the second or third time he has mentioned this.

I am glad MS are getting 1,000% out of the XB1. And from seeing PS3 exclusives we know Sony developers will do the same.

Well done everyone??
XboxFun  +   446d ago
PS4 and Xbox One games look exactly alike. Fact.
DirtyPimp  +   446d ago
killer instinct 720p. killzone 1080p
ape007  +   446d ago
^^^^

pimp, Forza 5, 1080p 60fps :)
T2  +   446d ago
@ ape - its a driving game ... Seriously how hard is 60 fps on a driving game
ziggurcat  +   445d ago
oh? because i'm sure i would be able to find several posts from you dumping on PS4 games as looking inferior to xbone, including BF4.
Hercules189  +   445d ago
@joecanada try asking the driveclub devs, also fps is more important than realtime clouds and lighting that youre not going to notice when youre going over 80 mph. In a racing game fps means a lot, it gives a better sense of speed.
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moparful99  +   445d ago
@Ape and Hercules ResoGun 1080p 60fps only tapping 50% of the PS4's processing power..
https://dl.dropboxuserconte...

Edit Download that direct feed and tell me that all of those particle effects and buttery smooth framerate isn't impressive.
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CalamityCB  +   446d ago
Didn't realize you had access to the full specifications of both of the consoles which go into full detail.
No facts yet, only speculation based upon simple hardware introductions which the many of were done months ago now.
corvusmd  +   446d ago
He said it perfectly!!! It makes all these stupid fanboys that say "PS4 is 40% more powerful" and "PS4 more powerful...fact" look so damn stupid, they clearly have NO clue what they are talking about...from a business point, MS is well aware, and fully capable. These little kids saying otherwise just have no clue...and it's been proven over and over and over....you'd think they'd learn.

The more we actually learn..even going into launch is that PS4 is NOT more powerful in the endstate, it has a much more powerful GPU, but that's it... games already look the same, both will get better...MS has the easier and more efficient drivers, much better network support, and deeper pockets. It appears that Sony fanboys are just setting themselves up for another PS3/360 fail

Another thing I don't get is Sony fans saying it will become more apparent how much better the PS4 is with time....true games for both systems will look better, but this time the advantage is a more powerful GPU, not a hard- to-program-for Cell processor...so, really all the tech advantage should be available NOW....it's a proven GPU already, there's no tricks to it...in fact that's it's strongest feature is that it's streamlined...so if games are already visually similar....that doesn't fair well for Sony
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christocolus  +   445d ago
Dude ..you have made the most sense so far...ati even acknowledged how good ms graphic engineers were regarding the work they did on the xbo 360 xenon gpu ...avalanche studio head also stated that when it comes to drivers to optimize hardware that ms has always been at the forefront...why people can't realise this is beyond me..there is really  nothing much to disagree with here...MS has been in the pc business for a while...and if sonys hardware is easier to develop for with a much stronger gpu then its only normal that their launch titles should be way ahead of the competition afterall they keep claiming to have had everything out before ms even dev kits..but sadly it doesn't show in their games...and if sony fans keep claiming the games will look better with time then they should also realise the xbox one games will also look better with time.I can almost bet that halo5 will look better than all i've seen from sony so far....but let's keep our fingers crossed.
Deadpoolio  +   445d ago
Actually how would you know considering that Micro$haft has had EVERY demo since E3 running on Windows 7 power PCs with Nvidia graphics cards...Even though the One80 is designed around Windows 8 and AMD chips....Which has been confirmed 3 times now, that they have been running everything on PCs with Nivida....Meanwhile It was also confirmed several times that PS4 footage and demos have all been on PS4 dev kits
Deadpoolio  +   445d ago
Your forgot the significantly better RAM....And NO that little 32mn of eSRAM with their DDR3 is NOT = to the GDDR5....

Nor is Azure going to do anything for the One80 graphically, again Xbots don't even have a simple grasp of computers as often as I see the morons with DA CLOUD will make graphics better... Azure is not designed to work with the GPU and will not graphically improve anything
JamieL  +   445d ago
You make yourself look so childish every time you comment man. I think I could literally answer any comment I've ever read from you on this site with, "So what?". It's entertaining in a pathetic kind of way, and I can't be too hypocritical because I'm on here reading it probably too often. To be honest I would be embarrassed to be as petty in life as you in this way. Do you think you are “standing for what’s right” in any way, shape, form, or fashion? I really can’t see what the benefit could possibly be to have this kind of attitude, and it is really sad seeing how far we’ve fallen as a society. What do you get out of spreading so much negativity about MS products? I don’t just mean you either, if anyone on either side can answer me that I would love to get some answers to that. What’s the real payoff of fanboy trolling?
iamnsuperman  +   446d ago
I usually respect what this guy says but wtf is this:

""People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. We CREATED DirectX, the standard API’s that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their [hardware] skills, do you really think we don’t know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers?"

Great but hardware isn't just programming you know. It is how it is built which is why you had issues when the 360 launched. Also you can only programme so far. It is restricted by the hardware itself which is where Sony gets its credit for (because they know about hardware)
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vigilante_man  +   446d ago
Lets hope for gamers sakes that XB1 does not suffer any hardware issues - and the same with PS4.

We are all putting our hard earned money into their pockets..
GodGinrai  +   446d ago
I agree, sort of. A company as big as MS..they could have gone with a more pwerful GPU. sure it would have raised production costs, but I am saying this as somebody who is buying the X1 first, It would have made that £420/$500 price tag less of an issue. even if they were selling at a loss, the gains longterm of being in their position financially and having the most powerful console would have made life easier for them, especially after "180-gate" the most powerful console does not always win. History has proven that, but is a nice feather to have in your cap.

Im glad Penello feels strongly about this however,because he could have had a mattrick like response..instead he feels ..something about it.which is good. maybe next time round He will be more mindful and push for the more powerful console.

MS extended the X360 long past its sell by date through software. If they can really improve the console over timne through the cloud ( I dont know..and im not saying either which way what they can and cant do with it..they are the ones doing the R&D and spending money on this stuff) and constant software improvements then we may be suprised by X1. Especially if they invested in more in house studios that really use all those features (kinect 2.0, smartglass etc) ininnovative ways. Its almost like watching them learn this all over again in some ways. but now they are listening.and they have to because they have a whole lot riding this.

If they coupled the things they are good at with the most powerful cosole, they would be an even more formidable competitor to sony than they would have ever anticipated. Im just sharing my thoughts on the matter is all.. not picking a fight.
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acdata  +   446d ago
sony doesn't build console hardware the gpu & cpu made by TSMC OR GF RAM and HDD made by samsung and hynix .it seems they only made capacitor and resistor :D for its console .so don't say sony know about hardware and of course foxconn assemble sony bought hardware . so i don't know when you talk about sony you say they build hardware for itself!!!?
Microsoft is graphic technology leader in world and every other one else flow them.
Deadpoolio  +   445d ago
PSSSST FoxConn assembles ALL of Microsoft's hardware also, SO quit trying to pretend that it's just Sony and precious MS has never done that.....

They were number 2 on the list of American companies right behind Apple, of Companies who have Foxconn assemble EVERYTHING MS makes
acdata  +   445d ago
@Dildopoolio
you did't understand what i write.
iamnsuperman  +   446d ago
@acdata
I never said Sony built it themselves. What I said is they understand how X works with Y on a hardware level. This is why they get credit. Sony products are generally well built (regardless who assembles them or where the parts come from). Remember Sony decides what goes in and where/how something is built (that appropriate level the product must pass)
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solidworm   446d ago | Trolling | show
franko  +   446d ago
Xbox one - Amanda Bynes
Ps4 - Kelly Brook
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Roper316  +   446d ago
what matters is the games so I ask the following questions.

when was the last time a MS 1st party studio won a GOTY?

When was the last time a Sony studio won GOTY?

When was the last time a Xbox exclusive 1st, 2nd or 3rd party won GOTY?

When was the last time a Sony exclusive won 1st, 2nd or 3rd party won GOTY?

When was the last time MS released a new core 1st party or 2nd party IP?

When was the last time Sony released a new core 1st party or 2nd party IP?
FlunkinMonkey  +   446d ago
Exactly, MS fans are a bitter mess.. Just reading their waffle in this last hr has made me continuously shake my head.

They won't answer your questions because they know Sony battered them. Fact.
GodGinrai  +   446d ago
As an Xbox guy, I aggree with you. these are the things that they need to now work on.

The answer is simple:

Invest in new studios..and go shopping for some highly respected and talented ones. Approach a few unestablished indies and help em out..bring them into the fold. the result..a tonne of exclusive games.
XboxFun  +   445d ago
Who cares about GOTY!!

Does this stop anyone from buying record amounts of Gears, Halo, CoD, BF4?

You Sony fanboys love to walk around and strut this GOTY as if it has any bearing on what players will play.

Thank goodness we focus and buy games while you guys focus on what's GOTY.

@Chevalier

Excellent logic you seem to have.

So Halo, Gears, CoD and BF are mediocre because they didn't win GOTY? I guess God of War 3, Jak, Killzone, inFamous, Resistance and others are mediocre too, right?

GOTY has nothing to do with most people's personal preference. How many of the folks here on N4G were fighting mad when Skyrim won GOTY?

Was that game an achievement in excellence? Especially on the PS3?
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Chevalier  +   445d ago
So you don't like excellent games and only like mediocre ones that sell more? Wow. So now it's bad to make great games guys, just please make more shovelware it's fantastic!
GodGinrai  +   445d ago
its not so much about GOTY as it is about a steady stream of quality exclusive games to entice core gamers to the console. It benefits us as X1 customers and MS interms of making sure they get every core gamer they can.
palaeomerus  +   445d ago
GOTY isn't a guarantee of excellence. It just means that editors at a site liked it. And games that don't win GOTY aren't necessarily mediocre. What a dumb thing to assume!

And Remember God of War Ascension and Gears of War Judgement? Both sold below expectations around 1.3 million because they both felt like phoned in rehashes that had no good reason to be made apart from putting one more title out. The fans just didn't show up because they knew it was a half-hearted effort.
jmac53  +   446d ago
This smells a little like desperation to me. He says people read too much into numbers on a spec sheet but those numbers mean something. Sure exclusives will be great on both systems and will look good but the real difference is going to be multiplatform with the power gap.
wages of sin  +   446d ago
What he said is absolutely correct.
joeorc  +   446d ago
@wages of sin

"What he said is absolutely correct."

really: here is what he stated!

"We CREATED DirectX, the standard API’s that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their [hardware] skills, do you really think we don’t know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously?"

the truth of the matter:

In a console-specific version, DirectX was used as a basis for Microsoft's Xbox and Xbox 360 console API. The API was developed jointly between Microsoft and Nvidia, who developed the custom graphics hardware used by the original Xbox. The Xbox API is similar to DirectX version 8.1, but is non-updateable like other console technologies. The Xbox was code named DirectXbox, but this was shortened to Xbox for its commercial name.

the real truth is OpenGL is just as viable of a graphic's API and its shown that it can be just as viable of a standard as directX.

but him saying

"We CREATED DirectX, the standard API’s that everyone programs against."

is not only Arrogance, but also OpenGL is also a standard Graphic's API that people also.

"everyone programs against"
KILLERAPP  +   446d ago
November sure is going to be fun, even if you don't buy a next gen system your in for a show when the comparisons come...
Mr-Dude  +   446d ago
OMG yes... It's gonna be a rapture hihi
badkolo  +   446d ago
wow yyou all got owned today, love it, but go ahead, go nuts with your kiddie remarks, the proof is in the pudding.

he basicaly said for the next ten years dont expect a gap. #dealwithit
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FrigidDARKNESS  +   446d ago
I totally agree.
T2  +   446d ago
Oh ok well since it came from an unbiased source I totally believe him , just as when mcdonalds states their hamburgers are top quality 100 % all beef ....
Lol
MRMagoo123  +   445d ago
you know sony said put any game on any console next to the ps4 and the ps4 will look better every time, so if you believe this guy you have to believe sony as well right?

Sony have proved they have the better hardware look at direct feed of Killzone lol its miles ahead of anything on the xbone so far and then you add to that second son an open world game and it looks better than any game shown so far.
Asv6SEMPER  +   446d ago
Am i just totally getting stupid or is Albert Penello just right now admitting indirectly that PS4 is 30-40% more powerful?

must be a fake, can't be the real One, i d'ont see Microsoft with his extreme arrogancy being now totally reamistic.
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badkolo  +   446d ago
well this proves thew misterx shit was fake, he is in fact saying raw number wise sony is a little more powerful but the x1 is designed better and will squeze out more or the same as the ps4 can for the next 10 years
Metfanant  +   446d ago
Hey Fridgid...EliteGamer...MisterX ...

Why would Albert keep saying that the consoles are so close when you guys keep telling us there is a second GPU tucked away inside the Xbone?...are you calling Albert a liar?
FrigidDARKNESS  +   446d ago
Hey Mef. He only can say things that MS will allow him to say.
Metfanant  +   446d ago
Oh please...he basically admits that on paper the PS4 is more powerful...but goes on to talk about how the balance of the Xbone's architecture will make up for it...

If there was a second GPU you can sure bet the comments would be different...
T2  +   446d ago
Oh ya we all waiting on that secret non disclosure agreement right ?
windblowsagain  +   446d ago
I have never seen a 360 game come anywhere near this.

And on PC the only game that graphically as capable is Crysis3.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...
waltyftm  +   446d ago
I have the game(thanks for the freebie Sony) and never ever get tired of playing that level, simply stunning, love them Naughty gods and Sony's kit.
MasterCornholio  +   446d ago
A lot of people will disagree with me but i found the desert scene in Uncharted 3 to be absolutely breath taking.

http://wakpaper.com/large/D...

P.S Thanks to PlayStation plus i managed to play this game.
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waltyftm  +   446d ago
Stunning.
starchild  +   445d ago
Oh please, you are so biased and blind. Even Tomb Raider on PC looks much better than Uncharted 3. This is OBVIOUS to anyone with working eyes and isn't a rabid fanboy of a particular console.
chaand  +   446d ago
I think alot of you guys are crazy i mean i don't see. Anything that looks 40% percent better than anything. Unless its a huge graphical leap its non since. Why would i debate who has the best lighting effect on a face when i can't really tell now if ps4 release a game that looks like fully. rendered 3d pixar movie that run smoothly with no jagged edges then we talk until then i can careless about a extra piece of detail on a rock (xbone all day)
solidjun5  +   446d ago
Eh. I'm sure in a few years both systems will be putting out extraordinary games in terms of power and graphics. In the mean time, I think we should enjoy both.

As for the PS4, I'm just waiting on Naughty Dog and Santa Monica to make use of the GDDR5 memory to its full potential.
Jodicus6645  +   446d ago
Pretty sure no one should be fooled by this. Just like MS to say something to defend themselves and not get into the details. Not being biased just facts here. The statement IS true when it comes to multi platform titles, BUT in the case of the XBOX it was newer better hardware launched after the PS2 was released. Not to mention EMOTION chip architecture took some learning to develop for. The last statement also stands true for the PS3 era along with the XBOX 360. Developers struggled to learn the CELL chip architecture and multi platform became big for sales from third party developers to increase profits. Thus not much time was spent to learn it rather just to get a working version. This is why exclusives look better on PS3 then third party titles.

PS4 and XBONE era however there is not exotic chip architecture and they are both built behind the model of modern PCs. Specs will now matter and PS4 will have a hardware advantage out of the box. XBONE will have graphics fidelity increase with cloud computing...however I am not sold that this is a smart resource at this time 2 years from now yes I think very possible for everyday consumer to have the network resources available to them to make this work...this is going to backfire mark my words first person who tries to play a game offline and it looks like crap or even worse doesn't work because it can not get to the Xbox Live Cloud for the graphics computing it is gonna get ugly. But back to my point PS4 is stronger from a box to box comparison minus the cloud computing. And with both consoles having a similar PC architecture there will no longer be lazy half working ports.
Lord Maim  +   446d ago
Jesus Christ, Microsoft is in full spin mode today. Why do they need all the damage control? Let's just wait until November and let the systems speak for themselves.
Bundi  +   446d ago
Leave JC out of this.
Lboogieskells  +   446d ago
God of war 3 tramples any 360 exclusive. I won't even mention the others titles.
KwietStorm  +   446d ago
Well you don't have to be "willing" to give up a power advantage. It kinda just happens.
Belking  +   446d ago
This is something a lot of already knew. Fanboys need to learn the difference between actual specs and actual performance means.
Bundi  +   446d ago
Them is fighting words Albert! Exciting times ahead, as a gamer I'm excited to see what this fierce competition breeds.
XabiDaChosenOne  +   446d ago
Seems like Microsoft is slowly coming to terms that there is a noticeable gap between the PS4, not without the kicking and screaming of course but they are getting there.
OlgerO  +   446d ago
Yeah they are practicly admitting that the PS4 is more powerfull. maybe not 30 percent, but even a few percents more would make it the best destination for games
robotgargoyle  +   446d ago
Aside from Infamous series, PS3 games are "on rails". Linear games. Of course they would look better than most games. COD always looks great too, on the 360.

PS3 does has more better looking exclusive games due to MS giving up the ghost on exclusives.

In my opinion, LA Noire looks as good as Heavy Rain, Red Dead Redemption looks better than Infamous series, Gears of War series looks as good as Killzone series. Tomb Raider reboot looks as good as Unchartered.
Guitardr85  +   445d ago
umm..what are you TALKING ABOUT? Do you even know what on rails means? What direct comparison are you making between 360 and ps3 games?

Anyway the X1 must be hurting pretty bad if the only thing MS and its fanboys can do is argue about the previous generation! "PS$ is better?...Well...360 games looked just as good as PS3 games so nnaaaaaa!" lol.
robotgargoyle  +   445d ago
I guess "on rails" is a little off base.

You have admit, the more linear a game, generally speaking, the better graphically it is.....and a lot of these linear games have scripted moments that tire at the 2nd/3rd playthrough. The storytelling/ dialogue in TLOU was exceptional. Gameplay did not reinvent the wheel or innovate.

I admit Sony's stable of exclusives are superior. We all know it comes down to the exclusives, but people act the system is a "vastly" better experience. Multiplats narrow the gap for me.

.
Ncca 14, Madden 25, Batman: Arkham Origins, GTA 5, Diablo 3, Assassins Creed Black Flag, etc. All multiplat. In a good year you get about 3 exclusives? You get about double that in multiplat games.
hankmoody  +   446d ago
The reaction I see here on N4G in regards to Penello's statements remind me of when Bill Nye (The Science Guy) effectively shot down the theory of creationism yet all the religious nuts the world over just shook their heads, saying "No No No No No" over and over again, refusing to accept facts.

The PS4 hive mind here is a bit disturbing to me.
H0RSE  +   445d ago
They keep claiming that xbox fans are "grabbing at straws" for any excuse to to make the X1 more powerful than it really is, and although for some that may be the case, overall Xbox fans are just being rational, coming to terms with the fact that even though the PS4 boasts more powerful specs, it isn't going to directly translate that power advantage into a 1:1 ratio of better graphics/performance.

System parity and diminishing returns, pretty much guarantee that multiplats are going to largely look the same on both consoles. Even if the PS4 versions have better performance and/or visuals, it's likely not going to be anything substantial or noteworthy. Of course, much of this doesn't matter to many from the Sony camp, since ANY sort of improvement, even 1fps, is still seen as better, and they will use it to fuel their arguments. Where xbox fans grasp at straws trying to say the X1 isn't the weaker system, Sony fans are grasping at straws in their claims at how much better their games are going to look and play.

The only place you may see real differences, is with exclusives, and since they only release for one console, it makes these games less meaningful overall. Why would an xbox player care how great TLOU2 looks or plays? - they can't play it, so they tend to care less. The same goes for X1 exclusives and Sony fans. Multiplats are where the comparisons are going to take place, and the differences between them aren't going to mind blowing.
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JAT2304  +   445d ago
It comes down to the weakest link. Developers will not program the game to max out each console. They go with the lowest performer, causing that console to "look" better. I has happened with the current and previous generation of console. It happens with PC's as well, read the minimum spec's on a PC game box.
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