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Microsoft: We Don't See Anything Better than Ryse, Forza 5 on Competing Platforms

Gameranx: "When it comes to graphics, Microsoft doesn't think the Xbox One is at a disadvantage." (Forza Motorsport 5, Ryse: Son of Rome, Xbox One)

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allformats  +   376d ago | Well said
Oh wow. A little momentum and they're already talking gibberish over their heads.

Wake up, Microsoft, PS4 is 40 percent more powerful than Xbox One.

And go have a look at Killzone: Shadow Fall.

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WrAiTh Sp3cTr3  +   376d ago
"We Don't See Anything Better than Ryse, Forza 5 on Competing Platforms"

Me either. But that's just graphics, gameplay is another scenario.
ShinMaster  +   376d ago | Interesting
I agree with MS when they say that there isn't a significant difference between the two consoles yet. So they probably shouldn't make such claims about their games yet either.

Ryse: Son of Rome averages 24 -26 fps and drops down to 20fps at times.
http://youtu.be/VzVlVRe9QYI...
Honestly, I'm not sure why it struggles. It's not open world or anything like that.

IMO Killzone and even Infamous(being an open-world game) look just as good, if not, better.
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okmrman  +   376d ago
i agree
i dont see anything special about killzone but pretty graphics. ummm battlefield 4 destroys it all day everyday
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egidem  +   376d ago
Well, that's THEIR opinion or view.

Now that we know when the Xbox One is being released, the customers will decide whether they are right or wrong.
xHeavYx  +   376d ago | Well said
Lol, MS is at the point where they need to start making these crazy claims. Ryse videos show how horrible the gameplay is.
Besides, Sony has a story of making great games, instead of using the same 3/4 same IPs all the time. When was the last time MS came up with a new IP from their studios?
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Hatsune-Miku  +   376d ago | Well said
well they havent seen ps4 games. im being serious when i say some ps3 games rivals xbox one games. killzone 2, killzone 3, gt5, the last of us, uncharted 2, uncharted 3 ratchet, gow 3, gow ascension and some others. the xbox one games looks better than those ps3 games but its not by a wide margin

killzone shadow fall clearly is the best looking game anywhere and its quite close with infamous second son.
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scott182  +   376d ago | Well said
Killzone looks the best to me graphics and gameplay wise. I love the cool and open levels and the owl used for recon is cool idea. It looks so fun to me. I don't want to be a fanboy and compare it to other titles because they all look good in their way. But I am very excited for Killzone.
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JokesOnYou  +   376d ago
Oh OK so Sony can take jabs at micro since E3 but micro explaining why they are confident in their console and its gibberish. 40% more powerful, yeah right, I think he's absolutely right games like Ryse and Forza5 speak for themselves.

KZ SF you say?

Ryse Marius character model= 150,000 polygons
KZ SF highest LOD character= 40,000 polygons

...and Ryse has more enemies on screen at once vs KZ SF, both are linear though

http://www.gamespot.com/for...

http://n4g.com/news/1335101...
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mewhy32  +   376d ago
What do you expect micro$oft to say? Of course they're going to taut their wares LOL. The facts are still the same. The bone is an inferior piece of hardware that will farther and farther behind as the life cycle of these machines go forward. Already got my PS4 pre-ordered baby.
timotim  +   376d ago
@ShinMaster

A piece of paper with numbers on it does not make a game look better. MS is saying that the actual games displayed thus far for PS4 does not look on a higher level than those of their own platform...and they would be right.

You can say what you want about the gameplay, buy Ryse VISUALLY and technically is a front runner in this next-gen. Forza 5 is the best looking racer of this next gen. Quantum Break is another that makes that case. Gamers let the GAMES do the talking, not specs, not paper.
ziggurcat  +   376d ago | Well said
@ jokes:

you can't seriously be comparing an NPC AI character to the main character you're in control over... plus one game is a FPS, the other is a third person hack n' slash. if you're going to be petty and count polygons, you'd be better off comparing infamous with ryse. while not the same genre by any means, at least it's the same POV.
HurtfulTimez  +   376d ago | Well said
@ Jokes

No it uses 150k TRIANGLES not polygons and if you think polygons and triangles are the same in computing then please do some research or stop posting mis-information.
nix  +   376d ago
wow.. at least we know they won't be doing 180 degree with this comment.
JokesOnYou  +   376d ago
ziggurcat Yes I compared them only AFTER folks above me already did BUT instead of just giving my opinion I gave specific graphic details yo demonstrate at the very technical level Ryse is raising yhe bar graphically beyond KZ SF.

We've all got our opinions but those details are facts and sgain its not even just this site KZ SF and Ryse both seem to be the graphical standards so far on each platform and ALOT OF GAMING FORUMS ARE COMPARING THEM I guess for this reason/start of a new gen.
HiddenMission  +   376d ago | Well said
@JokesOnYou

You troll skills are weak kid.

You think 150k triangles are the same as a polygon...wow just wow. You're in for a surprise when you get pick up Ryse.

I played both KZSF and Ryse at PAX and I can tell you 1st hand that KZSF looks considerably better...can you say the same thing...have you played these games yet...nope :P
SilentNegotiator  +   376d ago
If you can't see anything better than Ryse on competing platforms, graphics or gameplay, you must not be able to see the competing platforms at all.

IGN called the multiplayer BORING a few days ago. I doubt that the SP is all that enthralling if they can't make a half-decent MP, capable of exciting the easily-pleased IGN staff for an hour.
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adorie  +   376d ago | Well said
@JokesOnYou
I'm guessing you didn't take Geometry seriously.
Cause it looks like Dual Shockers is in the same boat, as they falsely reported 150k polys as well.

Still grasping.
want a real triangle in 3D? Get yourself a pyramid or tetrahedron.
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JokesOnYou  +   376d ago
Firstly I didnt bring up the KZ SF and Ryse comparison, its in comments above and of course all over gaming forums yet you ask why am I comparing them as if you dont notice whats already been said, at least instead of just stating opinion I gave cold hard graphic details.

"When a game artist talks about the poly count of a model, they really mean the triangle count."

http://wiki.polycount.com/P...

"Triangle or polygon? In general or mathematical terms, a triangle is a  polygon, and I often here the term "Polygons per second when discussing speed". Are they talking about triangles, or polygons like those found in 3D Studio Max, where the word polygon refers to a specific object formed out of adjoining faces, which are in fact two triangles."
http://beyond3d.com/showthr...

-Which is why many gaming sites generally discuss them as the same.
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ShinMaster  +   376d ago | Well said
@ JokesOnYou

""Ryse has more enemies on screen at once""

And they're all brain-dead copy-pasted:
http://i.imgur.com/kVdry2Y....

Besides, PS3 did this:
http://youtu.be/mV2xJ0Ll8T8...
So don't get cocky.

So great, you have one character with a high poly count. But at what cost? http://youtu.be/VzVlVRe9QYI... Everything else suffers.

Try to shake it as much as you'd like, but KZ is looking and running pretty awesome :)
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brodychet  +   376d ago
Why is everything about graphics. Most fun I've had came from games with inferior graphics. Graphics amount to almost nothing.
MysticStrummer  +   376d ago
Wow people are still comparing the main character of a 3rd person game to NPCs of a 1st person game?

lol
Rainstorm81  +   376d ago | Well said
@jokes

http://gamerant.com/naughty...

So.....what are you saying?

Are you looking forward to ND new game? The polygons count will benearly 10times that of Ryse.......Or that's different
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4Sh0w  +   376d ago
Yeah I get it its not all about graphics and I font know anything about polygons vs triangles and I dont want to throw fuel on the fire but I have eyes and for me Ryse is the most visually stunning next gen game. Still only a fool would say KZ is far behind.

Rainstorm but thats a *report about ND "looking" for a artist to make a next gen character with 1,000,000 polys, I dont know if we'll see that on these consoles but cool but that hardly diminishes what Ryse is doing NOW and obviously both will surpass launch games, right?
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scott182  +   376d ago
As far as action on screen with tons of particle effects and constant explosions, smoke/fire. Plus the perfectly smooth animation with tons of movement in the sky and background. I haven't seen something like it on a console...
N4GDgAPc  +   376d ago
@Rainstorm81

Uncharted didn't use 1million poly characters for in game. They used the 1million poly for the high res to make a normal map on the low res character. Characters were between 15,000 to 30,000 polys.

And pretty much before any 3D model is brought to any game the model is all in quads. Not triangles. No developer i know refer there models as triangles but polys.
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Utalkin2me  +   376d ago
@JokesOnYou

Really comparing a third person game to a fps. Then only using character models for the base of your argument. I mean you're going to leave resolution, frame rate, texture detail out of the mix when discussing?
callahan09  +   376d ago | Well said
150,000 triangles on the main character, who is always front and center on your screen? OK. But how many triangles make up each AI enemy? Because THAT would be the comparison we're after with Killzone Shadow Fall's 40k polygon enemies. Comparing the main character who is on-screen 100% of the time to random AI character models that come and go throughout the game is ridiculous.
ShinMaster  +   376d ago
@ N4GDjAPc

Wow, you people can't read.
It's about Naughty Dog's next-gen game, not Uncharted 3.
LoneWolf019  +   376d ago
Yeah I hear Ryse plays like crap sadly.
pedrof93  +   376d ago
Jokes@

Action RPG main characters tend to have a bigger polygon count.

So if GOW or a new Unchartred was announced...
The main characters would have more or less that number depending on developers ideas.

And since when does the polygons on a character define the graphical quality of it ?
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N4GDgAPc  +   376d ago
@ShinMaster

If you could read you would see I was referring to Rainstorm81.

@pedrof93.

"And since when does the polygons on a character define the graphical quality of it ?"

I would say it doesn't. Just because its more polys doesn't mean its going to make it better. Normal maps can make a low res model look like a high res model. But more polys though added to detail can make a normal map better. Really 150,000 polys might be going overboard. A good artist can bring that down to 80,000 polys (probly more) and make it look exactly like the 150,000 poly character.
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JokesOnYou  +   376d ago
Utalkin2me for the last time I'm not the one who started the whole KZ SF vs Ryse comparison, I simply gave some context to all the opinions.

lol, Its all good though, its just so funny watching you guys celebrate sonys jabs and throw out opinions as if their facts but god forbid micro boast or xbox fans have strong opinions then you act as if someone slapped your mom. lol, Ultimately it doesnt matter just buy the game/games you like.

Pedro poly's have always defined graphics on a technical level, what you are trying to argue now is "art style" and yes some lesser poly count games can be more visually appealing based on art style, which in any case Ryse is not bland artistically by any stretch of the imagination but again that wasn't the debate here. I agree both games are of different genres so a direct comparison is unfair but again I speaking purely in regards to graphic detail which others were already comparing.
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The_Con-Sept  +   376d ago
The amount of fanboy blood on the floor is enticing! Kaz be trollin as uh... Ms be rolling over... PS4 YEAH. WOOP WOOP!
dantesparda  +   376d ago
Yeah, but MS is arrogsnt, right? Its only Sony that is arrogant. Nintendo can sit there and say that the PS4 launch line up looks "meh" and MS can say "that nothing looks better than Ryse or Forza" which are opinions let me remind you, but there arent arrogant right? But if Sony says they have the most powerful console (which is a fact) they are arrogant right? The level of hypocrisy fanboys and their beloved companies exhibit is astonishing
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cfir  +   376d ago
@Jokes
2 Things. 1st they are not both linear. KZ:SF has multiple objectives which can be completed in any order (in the same level).
2nd they Ryse 150K Triangle count is only for the model level 1 LOD. So the story telling scripted part. Maybe the QTE events where it blurs the rest of the screen. Now you could argue that the blur is to highlight the kill, but handily it also reduces the poly count that it needs to render.
Reverent  +   376d ago
If people are going to try an compare Killzone ShadowFall with Ryse, let's look at one other little detail...

Ryse runs below 30 FPS.

Killzone: SF runs at 60FPS (At 1080p).

I'm not so much arguing the two games graphically, rather the power of the machines that will be running them.
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FamilyGuy  +   376d ago | Well said
I really can't believe people think Ryse looks good,
This http://news.xbox.com/~/medi... does not look good to me.
I see it as "150k triangles" wasted

And to think of the audacity shown to compare it to something like this http://media1.gameinformer....
or this
http://media1.gameinformer....

Let's have a closer, actual side-by-side look
http://s18.postimg.org/cnfm...
Seriously, I can't be the only one seeing Killzone on top by a mile.
Marius' face looks like crap, they used a neanderthal as a face capture model and his eyes and mouth look far from next gen let alone "setting a graphical bar"
All the additional characters on screen are clones that follow a set path and even Marius seems to be on rails at times in the single player.

Meanwhile on Killzone we see beautifully rendered faces, high levels of detail and characters that look like someone you'd want to know more about. All running face-paced, in huge environments, at 60fps and 1080p.

Please stop the comparisons!
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Gozer  +   376d ago
Ryse is the best looking next gen title so far, for either platform. Thats not an opinion, thats a fact.
Rainstorm81  +   376d ago
Double post / Wasted bubble
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Rainstorm81  +   376d ago
@Family Guy

Those pics tell it all not to mention in the Ryse pic all three guys have the same face.

If Ryse's characters have a higher Poly count, those pics dont do it justice.

But then again KZSF pics are probably a cutscene and Ryse may be in game

Edit: nvm it says Ryse Cinematic ....hmmmm
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tokugawa  +   376d ago
it isnt easy to call, because ryse, forza and kz are the shining launch games in grfx department.

so,

best looking driving game: forza (by a mile)

best looking third person: ryse (by a mile)

nest looking fps: kz. i dont think bf will touch it in the grfx area
nukeitall  +   376d ago
DriveClub last I heard was 30% complete and ran at 30fps, so no, Forza 5 hands down.

Ryse is the best looking game on any console platform.

They are good games to hold you over, but Titanfall destroys all!
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HammadTheBeast  +   376d ago | Funny
Hey guys don't forget to pick up the special RYSE controller:

http://i169.photobucket.com...
scott182  +   376d ago
Based on what I have seen Drive club looks like the best looking driving game easily. And funnest with that awesome sense of speed!
N4GDgAPc  +   376d ago
@JokesOnYou

"Pedro poly's have always defined graphics on a technical level"

I think that is wrong. What defines graphics is the lighting and textures (by using Normal maps and I bet there going to use parallel mapping this next generation). For any game its good to have as low poly as possible to have a stable game. 150,000 poly characters is pushing it. I guaranteed you get a great artist and they can make a 80,000 poly look the exact same as the 150,000 poly character. Probly even less to.
TrollCraftTales  +   376d ago
@JokesOnYou,
It's 150k triangles, not polygons,
--tri=3,
--poly=a shape with multiple sides, meaning 3+, generally 5 or more, -----40,000 POLYGONS FAR exceeds 150k triangles only, as most polygons are more than 3...
--Also that is just character models, the entire ryse world doesn't compare to KZ:SF,
-which is semi open world, there are different levels, but each level has open world elements to it, unlike Ryse, which is QTEs and button mashing until all the baddies are dead...
dafegamer  +   376d ago
you call repetitive combat and unnecessary slow motion during execution good gameplay?
Kryptix  +   376d ago
@JokesOnYou
"Utalkin2me for the last time I'm not the one who started the whole KZ SF vs Ryse comparison, I simply gave some context to all the opinions."

lol You did it on your first post. Your Xbot wires running through your brain needs some serious readjusting.

"KZ SF you say?

Ryse Marius character model= 150,000 polygons
KZ SF highest LOD character= 40,000 polygons

...and Ryse has more enemies on screen at once vs KZ SF, both are linear though" -JokesOnYou

--

"I simply gave some context to all the opinions."

A very flawed opinion piece you tried reinforcing of comparing the main character to an NPC. I see it brought up and shot down many times. People aren't idiots to buy into that kind of very flawed logic. That's just the kind of logic fanboys use to cover up a disadvantage in their console of choice.

-

"Its all good though, its just so funny watching you guys celebrate sonys jabs and throw out opinions as if their facts but god forbid micro boast or xbox fans have strong opinions then you act as if someone slapped your mom. lol, Ultimately it doesnt matter just buy the game/games you like."

The graphical difference between the two consoles has been let out and proven with the games shown that the PS4 does have some sort of graphical advantage against the Xbox One. We're talking not just some polygon count, but also in having better frame rates per second. When someone says, the PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox One, it is fact because developers have already stated it that the PS4 version is somehow a little better. I think you're just hurt that people don't specifically say, "significantly better" and they make it sound like it's a major graphical advantage. Graphically, they might be close in some aspects, but performance wise, PS4 will outperform the Xbox One due to GDDR5 alone. Either way, the PS4 is still more powerful and Sony isn't lying while Microsoft posted this. It's clear that they haven't payed attention to Killzone: Shadowfall or Infamous: Second Son. I think it's more that Microsoft has stated this, which by comparing games on both sides, it isn't true and that's why people are correcting them. Ryse is the only game showing Xbox One's real graphical power but Sony's heavy hitters squash it with some extra force the Xbox One hasn't shown.

--

"I agree both games are of different genres so a direct comparison is unfair"

Then you shouldn't have brought it up in the first place, simple as that. If you knew it wasn't fair, then you could of just dismissed it and never have brought it up so you wouldn't make yourself look more of a fool.

Good day sir.
N4GDgAPc  +   376d ago
I looked at the image and it does say Triangles. 150,000 triangles is a good range model for next gen. What they did they tried to make it sound more impressive by converting the model to triangles.

But 150,000 tri is still more than killzone 40,000 polys. When making a character model you want to keep everything in quads as much as possible and a good flow in wireframe to have a nice rig on a character for animation. So 1 poly turns into 2 polys when you convert it to triangles. So character is in the 75,000 poly range.

Tell you the truth with a good artist you probly wouldn't beable to tell the difference between a 40,000 poly character compared to 75,000 poly character. It just comes down to lighting and texturing.
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evilhasitsway  +   376d ago
if you want to to go with graphics killzone got it beat by a long run and gameply ryse is like I button sequence battle thing just like heavy rain you don't even really got control of it gay.
Ritsujun  +   376d ago
Poor Xbosh, they're trying too hard.
DigitallyAfflicted  +   376d ago
In order to see anything you need to pull you head out of your own ass :)
Extra benefits off this action you will stop eating your own shit M$
starchild  +   376d ago
Ok, I don't really care about which console has the best graphics because neither console is going to compare to the quality of graphics that I will get on PC. But I just have to say that the people saying that triangles and polygons aren't the same thing (in this context) don't have ANY idea what they are talking about.

A triangle is a 3-sided polygon and it is the type of polygon that essentially all modern game engines use. If you go to wireframe you will see that all the polygons are triangles.
http://img40.imageshack.us/...

Modelers work with 4-sided polygons called quadrilaterals in modeling software simply because they are easier to model with. But those quadrilaterals are converted to triangles for use in-engine and to be processed by the hardware.

"The two common measurements of a game character's 'cost' are polygon count and vertex count. Polygon is interchangeable with triangle in these measurements, as GPUs only see vertices and triangles, not 4+ sided polygons. Depending on the use, a game character may stretch anywhere from 200-300 triangles, to 40,000+ triangles. A high-end third-person console or PC game may use many vertices or triangles per character, and an iOS tower defense game might use very few per character."

"When a game artist talks about the poly count of a model, they really mean the triangle count. Games almost always use triangles not polygons because most modern graphic hardware is built to accelerate the rendering of triangles."
http://wiki.polycount.com/P...

When Crytek refer to "triangles" and Guerrilla refer to "polygons", in practice they are referring to exactly the same thing.
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Gaming101  +   376d ago
LOL did anyone really think Microsoft was going to praise a game exclusive to Sony's platform? I mean what are we, retarded? Of course they're going to trash Sony, that's all they have left to do! They need to talk their games up, and say no one makes better games. This is a competition here for money, would you talk up your competitors? Of course not!
otherZinc  +   376d ago
Forza 5 will have more gameplay than any game released for next gen consoles this year!
CryofSilence  +   376d ago
@Jokes

Yes, there will likely be a disparity in the poly counts as there often are across genres (poly=/=tri, as poly can, though not often in graphic design, mean more than 3 vertices), but polygon counts only go so far. Shaders/effects and mappings are what make the character look better. It's a case of "how you use it," not "how big it is." ;)

Also, the Killzone environments look far more ambitious and pretty.
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starchild  +   376d ago
@ CryofSilence

See my comment above.

We aren't talking about the poly count in a modeling program like ZBrush. We are talking about the poly count within the engine, which is always measured in triangles.

Graphics hardware processes triangles. The quadrilaterals that artists use in modeling software are converted to triangles for rendering by the game engine.

No developer is going to brag up the poly count used solely in modeling software, since it is a lower number and doesn't represent what is being used within the game engine anyway.

Crytek and Guerrilla are both referring to the amount of polygons (triangles) comprising characters within the game.

That said, polygon counts are not even close to being the only measure of a game's graphics.
JokesOnYou  +   376d ago
Kryptix lol are you slow I never said I didn't compare them, NO I said I made a comparison for context AFTER others like Shinmaster and Heavy ect ABOVE already did. I think its legit to point out boths technical specs if folks insist on comparing the 2 games.

Trollcraft I gave you the links, Read starchild link for more clarification. lol one thing I notice you guys talk alot as if you're engineers but dont back up you claims with creditable links, lol I see more stupid gifs and what not than INFORMATION. I dont pretend to know it all, far from it but I also dont make blind statements thats why I include links for technical or historic info whenever I say something questionable you can bet I at least TRIED to undetstand it through reading(I google every technical subject) instead of expecting folks to take my word for it...because guess what I never ever take members word on n4g as fact, I prefer to read up for myself so this is why I just dismiss rants like yours talking tech with no links.
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badz149  +   376d ago
lol @Microsofy acting cocky all of a sudden when they finally actually have exclusives! that's so cute.

have you been steadily releasing exclusives after exclusives all these years? what happened to "exclusives don't matter", Microsoft?

The hypocricy is strong here.
minimur12  +   376d ago
@shinmaster

in it's current state the gameplay is most likely pre-alpha, so frame rate jaggies are obvious :)
N4GDgAPc  +   376d ago
When turning your demoreel to video games, they want the poly count in quads of your 3D model. Not the count in triangles. So I just expected when they refered to 40,000 polys that is in quads.

But it can be tricky because doesn't matter if its in tries or quads its still 1 poly.
DarkHeroZX  +   376d ago
Go home dude, your drunk.
Kryptix  +   376d ago
@JokesOnYou
"Kryptix lol are you slow I never said I didn't compare them, NO I said I made a comparison for context AFTER others like Shinmaster and Heavy ect ABOVE already did. I think its legit to point out boths technical specs if folks insist on comparing the 2 games."

Actually, you got it all wrong. The posters before you were talking about an overall experience and in order it would be; presentation, game play, frames per second/smoothness, and even some of them say that graphics on both consoles are almost similar. I was stating how you were the first one that brought up Ryse and compared the main character to a Killzone: Shadowfall NPC with the number of polygons for each one. Then all the comments came in about polygons and your misinformation which prompted you to cry out the defensive, "Yes I compared them only AFTER folks above me already did," but the topic of discussion that you created was the unfair comparison between the two.

I guess for you, just stating only the graphics of Ryse just says how dull the game really is for everything else. You should try debunking what people say unless it's fact. Gameplay can be opinion but when there's many accounts that it's a little or really stale when there hasn't been any complaints for any other game...then that should be taken into consideration that the game might actually be dull till the game releases to see if they changed it. From what I seen, there's a some glitches with the combat that needs to be worked out, more than any other game I seen for next gen.

My, "PS4 being more powerful than the Xbox One" section of my last post is only there because you keep declaring facts as opinion. Fact is that with all the specs details released and what we know so far, the PS4 is a more powerful console overall. Which explains why Killzone: Shadowfall can do locked 30fps and can go 60fps in certain areas of the single and multiplayer. All I read and see about the Xbox One exclusives performance wise is that Ryse sometimes drops under 30fps and Dead Rising 3 had problems getting a constant 30fps.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/r...
rainslacker  +   375d ago
@Jokes

Using the number of polys/triangles is hardly getting at the "very technical level" of anything. There is a hell of a lot more that goes into displaying a character model than the number of polys. If you want to get technical explain how texture maps and lighting will be used to make the number of polygons rather pointless, or just explain to us what an LOD is...I know, but wonder if you do.

You're comparing apples to oranges, so really, just stop. If you want to make the comparison, tell us how many polys(or triangles) are making up all those LOD NPC's or baddies in Ryse. It doesn't appear to be any more than the ones in KZ:SF, and they are actually rather generic compared to the main character.

In gaming, the general rule is that polygon counts refer to triangles. triangles are the simplest way to make complex geometry, however the actual model is usually modeled in quads(rectangles), and then split by the engine at compile, or sometimes by the artist if it's required to insure mesh effects are working properly. Quads are generally easier to actual model by the artist. Generally you don't want to have more than a quad, because it can give unexpected results when it tries to convert to a triangle, which can give you wierd texture/mesh effects, whereas a two triangles make up a quad.
Withdreday  +   375d ago
The Execs at Microsoft need to take a good look at the Ryse gameplay videos.

I don't think they're seeing what we're seeing.
Autodidactdystopia  +   375d ago
OMG
all of you, wtf, poly= multi, gon = sides

WTF are all u talking about, poly=2 or more,

when an engine is being talked about the polycount is in triangles. NO STUPID ARGUMENT. ITS A FACT.
wtf,

ALL realtime graphics engines convert quads, which are 2 polys to triangles.

also there is no such thing as a "Quad" they are all triangles, unless you are talking about nurbs modeling. WHICH YOU ARE NOT, nurbs is mathematical surface modeling used in industry, for real production of real products, for example when the ps4 was designed it was designed by a class A surface certified modeler, (non videogame) No product today is made with a polygon surface model, as you cannot apply a shader to a real world object, the shape has to be fully realized mathematically for molds to be created, something tris do not do. nurbs modeling is completed using PATCHES not polygon meshes.

open edges and multi >3 sided n-gons are a bitch to render realtime and are the reason game engines only take quads, which are 2 tris stuck together.

a 5 sided poly will never be seen in a videogame as most shading methods have trouble with interpolating surfaces that have verteces that run out of parallel to the normal. which results in shading artifacts and just basically breaks the shader.

I will prepare a series of examples.
Autodidactdystopia  +   375d ago
1. This Is a box, made of 6 sides, 6 "quads"
as I said before Quads are 2 tri polys stuck together
notice the poly count I have enabled in the viewport says 12 polys. 1 quad = 2 polys
http://gyazo.com/07bb18867c...

2. I have enabled showing of the polys in the viewport in this shot, notice they are all triangles quadsa are much easier to work with.

http://gyazo.com/7586d82551...

3. This is a sphere built with polys
http://gyazo.com/32954601ef...

4.
This is what a real world object surface like the ps3 would look like if designed with polygons/in quads without a proper shader to blend the normals.
http://gyazo.com/109d6c6ad1...

5.

This is a teapot modeled in polys with shading to blur the edges to give a clean shade. notice the edges http://gyazo.com/1ec9151d05...

6. this is that same teapot rendered in nurbs/ or patches notice how the edges are now smooth

http://gyazo.com/5256a45cf0...

7.

this is what you say kz shadowfall has... >3 sided polygons, that due to fanboy logic are somehow more than just triangles.

http://gyazo.com/82a00903a6...

8. This is what game engines turn those superpolys lol. into

http://gyazo.com/a19bfcd286...

9.

this is why >3 sided polys are not used.

because when you try to model with them.. (the verts.)

A
http://gyazo.com/0437ac609d...

It breaks the g($%*#AMN shader

B
http://gyazo.com/e6fb4ee5dc...

Therefore , All game devs when talking about polycount are talking about F$*#&G triangles.

you guys talk SO MUCH when you know so little. WTF.
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WarThunder  +   375d ago
Ryse runs at 23-25 fps... Seriously that's garbage for a next gen game....

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
The_Con-Sept  +   375d ago
Basically Microsoft's statement could be taken as "Forza and Ryse are the only two games people want to play." I'm just playing the headline game :P.
Autodidactdystopia  +   375d ago
omg @ disagrees...*facepalm*
Asahthor  +   375d ago
Obviously you haven't seen the gameplay from Ryse,it's just QTE fights. I also heard that since it was a X360 Kinect game from the beginning it has issues with framerates and AA they bascially ported the old engine to fit the XONE.
rainslacker  +   375d ago
@auto

lessons in game design don't usually go over very well. People like to think they know everything. I make games myself, and can readily admit I don't know everything, but will still point out facts where everyone is missing them.

Otherwise, you came off terribly condescending, which is likely why people disagreed with you. I said the same thing as you without examples, but did it respectfully...for the most part.

Could have been because you also complicated the discussion by adding n-gons into the mix.:)
Abash  +   376d ago | Well said
As someone who's getting a PS4 and XOne on launch, I have to say that Killzone: Shadow Fall is the best looking launch exclusive.
HebrewHammer  +   376d ago
That game rocked my world at PAX. I actually stopped, mid multiplayer match, to watch the cloak of a sniper move around in the wind.
GmIsOnPt360  +   376d ago
The problem with Killzone is its a generic pretty shooter in a world over saturated with pretty shooter IE battlefield, COD etc. BUt thats just my take
ziggurcat  +   376d ago
@ GmIsOnPt360

RE: "generic"

http://www.southernfriedsci...
Sevir  +   376d ago
Everyone loves to throw around the word generic and attach it to killzone, Sorry but the brand is a powerful one and there isn't anything generic about it... Keep throwing the word around because you don't have a worth while shooter exclusive launching with the Xbox one... As it stands Xbox One has nothing to compete with Killzone at launch so they depend on the king of Generic fps with COD and striking a new Partnership with another company looking to compete with a generic brand because it sells 15 million a year with every concurrent release.
walkincarpet  +   376d ago
Killzone was always average on PS3 - Halo absolutely destroyed it. I could only play Killzone 2 for 20~30 minutes before moving on to another game. So it boggles my mind that the sony fans keep hyping this game. I can understand looking forward to the sony big guns that will start showing up in 2015, but hyping KZSF as a great game when its prequels failed does not make any sense to me.

Ryse, looks great but also looks boring. As far as I can tell there is basically one enemy type - barbarians and one weapon type - sword. Sure, they threw in spears and unfortunately God magic to spice things up, but God magic doesn't even fit in with the rest of the game. By now gamers have feasted on Dark Souls, God of War, Gears of War, etc, and have become accustomed to a wealth of variety and options. This is why Ryse fails.
Megaton  +   376d ago
Yeah, Killzone and some moments in Infamous are the best things I've seen graphically from either console.

Microsoft's just doing their job, but it is pretty funny. They look sad and delusional at times.
Narutone66  +   376d ago
The only developer who do decent shooters on the Xbox platform is Bungie. But too bad, they're 3rd party now and they are doing Destiny. I hope Sony would buy them and make them their first party developer.
pedrof93  +   376d ago
Actually Infamous looks better than Ryse, considering that its a open world, while Driveclub is getting better everyday.

By the way do you know why Microsoft don't say directly that X1 is more powerful than Ps4 ? Because won't dare lying like that. Also Sony said that they made the most powerfull to date, and then MS release a bunch of specs to make people happy.
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DiRtY  +   376d ago
The facial animations for InFamous are really bad. This looked so not real.

Forza, Ryse, Division and BF4 were the best looking games IMO
Kayant  +   376d ago
@DiRtY

The facial animations looks bad and unreal. Wat??

So there you must think the facial animations in LA noire are bad and unrealistic.
Hicken  +   376d ago
And the grass in Ryse looks like cardboard.

If you're disregarding how good Killzone and inFamous look, feel free to borrow my glasses until you get your own.
torchic  +   376d ago
@dirty

WHAT!

inFamous: Second Son has THE BEST facial animations + voice acting I've seen coming from anything on a next gen console!

even inFamous 2 had very very nice facial animations
timotim  +   376d ago
Quantum Break has the best next gen facial animations I've seen this far and their characters are more realistic looking while Infamous looks more like an animated film.
Utalkin2me  +   376d ago
@timotim

Didn't know they have showed gameplay of quantum break? Or are you going to jump on the "in game engine" wagon. If that is the case nothing touches dark sorcerer.
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strifeblade  +   376d ago
Yeah sony made that claim but dont you expect sony to throw around claims like that??? I mean it is their console- like maybe there is a chance that its pr bullcrap?

Look at the cell processor and all the claims about that and what did that amount to? The eventual abandonment when it came to the ps4 architecture. So take a chill pill and open your mind a bit. No company is immuned from lying and fooling their consumer.
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pedrof93  +   376d ago
They stated a fact.

If they lied they would be a joked by competition and hated by consumers.

And what did Microsoft said about Ps4 being more powerful ?
Nothing about it.
strifeblade  +   376d ago
@pedrof

Here is a fact pedrof (see link)- thats what xbox said about the 30% advantage. I guess your facts are factual lies. Now how do you feel?

http://n4g.com/news/1348120...
SegaSaturn669  +   376d ago
They may want to book an optometrist appointment
nosferatuzodd  +   376d ago
lol yeah looking good and being good is a different story from what Ive heard the ryse sucks
The_Infected  +   376d ago
Ryse? Haha that's funny. Go look at Killzone: Shadow Fall.
timotim  +   376d ago
I've seen enough from both and technically, Ryse is the more impressive title IMO. KZ is nothing special at all...has never been. Its a FPS that steals a little from everyone else. I've seen nothing from the GAMEPLAY vids that causes a wow reaction. Ryse has more happening on screen, more detailed characters with higher poly counts. Better textures.
Angeljuice  +   376d ago
@Timotim
" KZ is nothing special at all...has never been. Its a FPS that steals a little from everyone else. I've seen nothing from the GAMEPLAY vids that causes a wow reaction."

On the other hand there is a genuine "WOW" when you watch Ryse gameplay (as in "WOW, how can it suck so badly"). The multiplayer looks awful in terms of graphics and gameplay.
Lukas_Japonicus  +   376d ago
Please email those pictures to MS because they obviously haven't been looking for them themselves if they are talking such nonsense.
SatanSki  +   376d ago
Killzone doesnt look very good in wilderness parts and popup is just terrible. They have a point

And before someone acuse me of being fanboy - i dont give a shit about neither of those crappy platforms
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gobluesamg  +   376d ago
Then gtfo
tordavis  +   376d ago
Does anyone here think that Sony or Microsoft would praise their competitors games or not praise their own? Ok, close thread. Nothing here to see.
patsrule316  +   376d ago
For the record, Major Nelson praises Sony games that he likes. He was extremely complimentary to The Last of Us when it came out. He has never been shy about admitting he owns a PS3 and said he will get a PS4 when it comes out.
adorie  +   376d ago
Much too late.
The discussion has already been derailed several times.
It's like there is multiple off-topic discussions going on within a discussion that lost traction after the first few posts. :P
negative  +   376d ago
"PS4 is 40 percent more powerful" yet it can't produce anything close to what the Xbox One is doing out of the gate. But that's what you get with a more balanced architecture.

Keep wearing those $ony goggles - they fit you well.
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Lukas_Japonicus  +   376d ago
"yet it can't produce anything close to what the Xbox One is doing out of the gate"

Killzone Shadow Fall exists...you do know that right?

You keep wearing those M$ goggles, they fit you well. See how silly that sounds?

Also, why are people so quick to forget the past? The PS3 was notoriously hard to develop for and look what their 1st party devs accomplished, The Last Of Us, upcoming Beyond 2 Souls, Uncharted 2 and 3, God of War 3, all of those demolish any 360 exclusive graphically. Imagine what they will do with the PS4. I expect the exact same scenario next gen, both will have awesome exclusives but Sony's 1st party devs will make the best games in terms of graphics.
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Doghead  +   376d ago
you happen to like playstation brand??
lol...who told you that?
A company who will fool people for the first 3 months, then once they have huge sales forget abt their customers doesn't deserve any love
Darrius Cole  +   376d ago
@Lukas

Obviously he doesn't know that KZ:Shadowfall exists if he thinks that the PS4 can't produce anything close to what the XBO is doing out of the gate.

Actually, Uncharted 1 edges out all of the best looking 360 games. All the rest of the games you listed are overkill.

The Sony first parties probably are going to make games with better graphics this time as well. However, with the PS4's main advantage being RAM bandwidth I wonder if said advantage will manifest itself in better on-screen motion.
Evilsnuggle  +   376d ago
Killzone SF multiplayer is in full 1080p 60 fps. Does xbone have a first person shooter in 1080p 60fsp!!! Hell no killzone SF is the king of NEXT GEN first person shooter. Show me 1080p 60fsp that is NEXT GEN and 1080 30fps open world.
dmitrijs88  +   376d ago
its a shame u cant loose your last bubble
Ohlmay  +   376d ago
Forza 5 looks far better than DriveClub and runs at twice the FPS...
FANTA1180  +   376d ago
honestly driveclub looks like a $29.99 downloadable game ,...im sure it was made just b/c the console needed some type of racing game to launch with.
HurtfulTimez  +   376d ago | Well said
but has baked lighting and no day/night cycles...
Angeljuice  +   376d ago
DriveClub will look phenomenal by launch. Care to compare the lighting on each title? Thought not.
ThatCanadianGuy514  +   376d ago
Forza looks cartoony in comparison.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Note the actual REAL TIME lighting DC uses.Also note the real time lighting shining through the branches of The dense, fully rendered trees & brush and even the incredible detail with reflections in the windshield.

Forza Uses PRE-BAKED lighting.Those tress looks like blurry 2d Sprites placed in the backround.

Sure, Forza may be at 60fps.But look at everything they cut to get that.

Baked lighting
Baked damage
STILL no night racing
STILL no weather
No auction house anymore either.

Looks to be the most gimped forza yet.But it sounds impressive because they say 60fps.What will your excuse be when DC hits the 60fps like they're aiming for, with all the actual taxing tech they're using?
monkeyDzoro  +   376d ago | Well said
I'm sure they didn't take a look at inFamous which is not finished and yet crush all X1 games in terms of graphics. And freaking KillzoneSF. Now they should just hope DriveClub don't get really polished before launch, if not even Forza wont be competing.
timotim  +   376d ago
Check out a game called Quantum Break, which should be coming out around the same time as Infamous.
cfir  +   376d ago
@timotim
Have they shown any game play from Quantum Break ? I think that the concept is interesting (the only xb1 game that caught my interest). But unless you've seen game play, what's to compare ?
Ohlmay  +   376d ago
Who gives a crap about Killzone? The game looks to be another CoD with it's generic gameplay, no recoil/sway on weapons, linear campaign, heavy momentum removed, not to mention you start withe every weapon. Casual game confirmed, I'll pass. I'll play Titanfall which seems to be taking a dump on KZSF when it comes to Awards.
Evilsnuggle  +   376d ago | Well said
Titianfall is a last generation 720p vavles old l Source engine. killzone SF is in full 1080p 60fsp . You Might like the game or the game play but killzone SF graphics are true NEXT GEN and on a different level.
dmitrijs88  +   376d ago
titanfall is generic shit, same as gears and halo
hardcorehippiez  +   376d ago
no recoil on a killzone game hahahahah good one there, just shows you have not played it.
thetruthx1  +   376d ago
I don't see anything that matches the visuals of Ryse

Killzone looks like a slow generic shooter with nothing interesting going for it

I've noticed Infamous cut scenes look awesome but while you're playing it doesn't look next gen
ziggurcat  +   376d ago | Well said
take a look at ryse's gameplay before you start throwing around "generic", and "doesn't look next gen" because there is nothing innovative or mindblowing about ryse at all.
Timeline87  +   376d ago
Have you read any of the reviews for Ryse from what I understand you CAN'T die the game plays itself to a extent.
Please take a look http://www.explosion.com/38...
strickers  +   376d ago
You clearly know very little
kewlkat007  +   376d ago
To be honest, I don't either..like seriously. Xbox one has the better launch lineup IMHO. Not just me though.
dumahim  +   376d ago
It's easy to have a better launch lineup when you give up on the current gen 3 years earlier.

http://i.imgur.com/zl10SZ0....
HugoDrax  +   375d ago
@dumahim

Does that image really have a picture of MAG? LMAO hahahaha! Remove that picture as that game will become unplayable in T-Minus 6 months. This is why Microsoft providing dedicated servers for every game is a huge bonus for Xbox owners. Were as PLAYSTATION owners of MAG, have 6 months left to play before all servers are shut down. I doubt anyone is online to play a multiplayer match of MAG? I chucked my MAG disc years ago, that game has no following whatsoever, and I believe it only cost $0.99 to purchase at GAMESTOP lol.
FANTA1180  +   376d ago
i reaLLY cant tell if those images are killzone part 2 3, or 4 ...lmao

and 40% is such a rounded number u sure the ps4 aint 37.8 % more powerful ... howd u come up with 40% ?
marinelife9  +   376d ago
The Division looks better and stays at 30fps on PS4.
Evilsnuggle  +   376d ago
Ryse looked great run on a dell pc windows 7 and nivida titian card at E3 but it looks like crap on xbone one 80. Forza 5 is the best graphical and reviewed xbone launch game but the background are flat. Xbone can't again compete PS4 has superior graphics .look at killzone SF is in full 1080p 60 fps and infamous second son 1080p 30fps60 open world. I am NOT impressed by xbone.
BallsEye  +   376d ago
Well, if it is 40 percent more powerful, certainly there was no game shown that uses that power. KZ2 looks average. Please check out full res screenshots, it just looks mediacore and slow (worse animations than Ryse). I'm not sayin MS showed some OMGWTFBBQ game graphics there but for sure better than anything competitors presented so far. I wish that Sony will show something big tho, I do plan to get ps4 in 2014...just gimme some serious games already.
Blaze929  +   376d ago
This just shut up every damn user hee on N4G and the internet:

“The people that are speculating on this are not our hardware engineers, and we’re not Sony’s hardware engineers,” Penello said when asked about the Xbox One’s power. “I don’t believe that the difference between these two platforms is significant as comparing individual components.”

but i guess internet commenters know best eh? DAT 40%!!!!! lol im pretty sure none of you even know what that will mean for game development.
XabiDaChosenOne  +   376d ago
Sounded like pure damage control to me. Microsoft: "YOU DON'T KNOW ME!!"
Mkai28  +   376d ago
They don't realize that 40% will add better frame rates in multiplatform games. If the X1 is playing at 52 frames the ps4 is playing at 62fps. But the X1 seems to be a more optimized console. The PS4 has " off the shelf" hardware where the GPU handles everything. Hence the reason why the GPU has 18 CUs, but also makes it easy to program for.

The X1 has a lot of secondary processors, audio processors, data move engines, eSRAM, ect. So I'm not calling it the weaker out the two either.. Sony knows it has the better GPU, this is why it's easy for them to say, we have the most powerful console. In that area yes, they have more graphic power but what of everything else?

To state this, the Xbox 360 has the better GPU then the PS3. 240.0GFLOPS to 176GFLOPS. One would say, the 360 is the more powerful console. Wait one second, the cell processors are able to offload heavy task from the weaker GPU of the RSX and were able to pull off some graphics that look good to this day.

So I'm not prejudging on anything, all I'm saying is we may be surprised which console comes out on top in the end.. Because none of these games will look bad this time around, so at the end gamers win.
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XGamer  +   376d ago
@Allformatts, haha your a joke. First you run like a luttle girl to every positive Xbox post to say Nu Uh bbbbbuttt look at killzone hahaha give it a rest little man. And no, not 40% more anything, seriously wait until the NDA are over and then you'll see and more importantly lOOk at the games mkay.
Ya know most sony fans are good people and good gamers but the ones like you are just an embaresment to the gaming industry.
Post after post you spew nothing but diarhea of the mouth.
But hey on a positive note, Way to go bubbling yourself up:)
StoutBEER  +   376d ago
Well graphically it's pretty true. I'm an Xbox fan and when i read the headline I was like really? Not Titanfall? Then I realised it was graphics they were talking about. The only game that I have seen that is truly gorgeous on the PS4 is Killzone SF. And damn, that game is gorgeous.
eliasg  +   376d ago
you know FORZA 5 and RYSE looks but you cant accept it.
Angeljuice  +   376d ago
Forza looks pretty good, Ryse looks awful (on actual Xbox hardware), I can accept that.
showtimefolks  +   376d ago
ok MS you win this round i guess but what will happen when sony unleashes ND,SSM,MM?

also TGS sony have said to announce 10-12 games

VGA's

to me drive club looks stunning, its coming from evolution studios, i like their racing games

Killzone is mt favorite FPS and looks great
MELMAN26  +   376d ago
To be honest, for the most part he is right. If we are looking at launch titles, killzone is the only game that looks on part with the xbox one games.
KingTrash  +   376d ago
What is with the Sony fanboy Killzone comments? It really doesn't look that great. It's not bad but MS is right. Nothing is touching Ryse or Forza graphically yet.
starchild  +   376d ago
I mostly game on the PC and I really don't understand why some people are acting like KZSF looks so amazing. I can see that it doesn't even match up to the standard set by Crysis 3.

It's colorful and that is what grabs people's attention, but if all the textures were colored brown or grey I really don't think it would look all that amazing. Battlefield 4 looks better to me and has a lot more going on.

I'm not getting an Xbox One and I don't think Ryse's gameplay looks all that great (no offense), but graphically it does look pretty damn good. Which isn't surprising considering it's Crytek that is making it.
Nexus38  +   376d ago
40% more powerful!
hahahahaha i just. i cant..
Animal Mutha 76  +   376d ago
240 comments.

Blimey you lot sure got baited. Inflammatory headline/article if ever I saw one.
sync90  +   376d ago
No way is PS4 40% more powerful! if they dont think its at a disadvantage then why have they slightly upgraded the specs?

Ryse and Forza look about as interesting as an empty cardboard box.
StoutBEER  +   376d ago
Really sync? Do you expect anyone but fanboys to take you seriously with that comment?
2cents  +   376d ago
It's about time they grew a pair and started claiming their perceived position.

Too many months of unsureness and confusion. It's time to put the gloves on and start this console war for real.

The playstation nation have had it way to easy since feb.

Let's get ready to RUMBLE!!!
Playstaion  +   376d ago
I'am worried about the graphics card in both GPU's it's the 7870 AMD Radeon it's quite an old card but by the time the life cycle of both consoles are over where will the Pc be it's way ahead now .
rawd  +   376d ago
Omg they are officially all on crack
corvusmd  +   376d ago
Just looks like Halo on current gen with a lot of lens flares.
HugoDrax  +   375d ago
hahahaha! It sure does have a lot of lens flares lol.....I'm just not sold on the overall gameplay, which is why I'm considering canceling my pre order. At this moment I only have watch dogs and KILLZONE pre ordered for my PS4. Forza, DR3, FIFA14 for my XB1. Although, I may add AC Black Flag for PS4 because of the use of the touchpad on the controller :-)
Bigpappy  +   376d ago
Jokes is correct. He did not invoke KZ into the conversation 'allformats' did in the very first comment. So you guy need to put up or shut up on that one.

Many hands-on and off previews have been done on these games, and what M$ is saying matches what we all have been reading. Even people who hate Ryse let you know up front, that it is the best looking launch title shown at all the events so far. So you guys can get angry and cry until your faces turn blue. That would not change the fact that Ryse and Forza are in fact the best looking games we have seen so far.

I have seen the KZ video's and there do look sharp and detailed. But do not have the same wow effect that you get when you see Ryse in action, particularly the single player mode. It is almost like watching a movie.
strickers  +   376d ago
Bollocks
MysticStrummer  +   376d ago
"It is almost like watching a movie."

That can be said about games going back to the PS2/XBox generation.

Ryse looks good, it really does, I just think it's amazing that anyone thinks it's the best looking game we've seen so far. That opinion honestly confuses me. I look for new videos so I can see what people are talking about, but it keeps just looking good and not "the best looking".
xtremeimport  +   376d ago
This is potential true for now. The only issue with this is, where will MS go from these titles? Any other AAA new IPs that will continue to show their "commitment" to games?

Sony still has yet to take the covers off of Naughty Dog and Santa Monica's projects...
andrewsqual  +   376d ago
And I love the way they completely left out Dead Rising 3. Even they know it looks worse then a lot of last gen games with simply too much on screen then hardware is tuned to right now.
But some fans would completely disagree with this of course.
3-4-5  +   376d ago
Their combat is just pressing the button it tells you to at the correct time.

Like Batman & kind of like AC, except it should be 10x better because it's next gen.

It just doesn't appear to be 10x better.

The combat looks this gen. Still think it will be a pretty cool game though.
Sci0n  +   376d ago
LOL!!!!!!!!! @ Microshaft!
ajax17  +   376d ago
double post... oops
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ajax17  +   376d ago
All I have to say to is wait until Naughty Dog shows off their first PS4 game.
assdan  +   376d ago
Yeah, ryse has almost no demand.
Iceman_Nightmare  +   376d ago
I got the chance to play Ryse at GamesCom, and it sucked! Same animation for killing over and over again, and the gameplay was horrible! Forza is great, but I enjoyed Driveclub even more. DriveClub felt like between a arcade racing game and simulator. DriveClub's graphics were clearly better!
sckipt  +   376d ago
you forgot infamous second son because well that game looks better then anything ive seen
princejb134  +   376d ago
killzone looks the same as the other games just nicer graphics
ryse looks boring
forza looks ok to me since im not much of a racing fan

the only 2 launch games that look amazing to me thus far is battlefield 4 and watch dogs
zohakxb1  +   376d ago
Lol Sony fanboys will always find something to talk about Microsoft. This commercial is aimed for football fans. Last I read the last madden game has sold 1 million on its first week. 1 million ps4 preorders mean nothing to football or sports in general fans. And that's where Microsoft provides a different experience of watching the game . Non games on this commercial. No need for that. Games com showed the world the best exclusives.
ALLWRONG  +   376d ago
Truth can be a painful thing to swallow for many people here. While Sony trolls MS about what the PS4 wont do. MS shows everyone what the X1 can do, and Sony has yet to top it. People can post specs and talk dreams all they like. You can't beat "EYES" they win every time.
lilbrat23  +   376d ago
But they are right there is NOTHING better on the system then just TWO games..LMAO Sorry but Ryse not for me nor Forza NEXT.
jon1234  +   376d ago
although i prefer the ps4 over the xb one, i hate the argument people bring up saying, that the ps4 is 40 percent more powerful... i think thats a stupid argument, and power of a console doesnt make good games...
NightStalker33  +   376d ago
Holy crap, is that a triforce I see?
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fooltheman  +   375d ago
@jokes on you:

Triangles aren't polygons...
CJDUNCAN  +   375d ago
I thought it was 50%? Either way I still doubt it, considering we don't know everything about the tech in the X1. However, most of us couldn't care less :), just bring on the games.
antbolton89  +   376d ago
That's funny everything i've heard about Ryse has been negative
AznGaara  +   376d ago
I don't see how people are so into that game. It doesn't look at all good to me.
The_Infected  +   376d ago
Ryse looks boring, slow and the moves look repetitive. They have a ton of things to fix before launch and I just don't see them having time to fix all the glitches and problems.
isa_scout  +   376d ago
The only people that are excited for Ryse are the people who haven't had the chance to play the God of War series. Sure Ryse has pretty graphics, but hell God of War 3 looks amazing still, and it's gameplay takes a dump all over Ryses from what I've seen and read. If I were an Xbox user, I'd focus more on talking about TitanFall and DR3. As they are the only games that look amazing(in my opinion anyway)on the Xbox One so far. Thats why I'm waiting until Halo 5 to get my Xbox One.
Lord_Sloth  +   376d ago
It doesn't look that good. Graphically it's pretty (still not the prettiest but whatevs) but Cry doesn't make very stand out games beyond the visuals and Second Son still looks better, looks more fun, has better animations, AND is open world.
nosferatuzodd  +   376d ago
mee too but dont tell them that
OlgerO  +   376d ago
Infamous and killzone look much better then any xbox one exclusive
alb1899  +   376d ago
both are boring games for my taste, the only exclusive games that looks really fun until now are Rising dead and Titan Fall.....my opinion!
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pyramidshead  +   376d ago
That was probably the multiplayer which was a huge cluster fuck of bugs and dreadful animations and looked no where near the single player standard. But on that note, check out the single player it's the exact opposite.
monkeyDzoro  +   376d ago
Graphicly it's not that impressive compared to other "nextgen" games BUT I hav to admit they have good facial animations in that game.
MELMAN26  +   376d ago
Have u seen the game with your own two eyes? The people who have actually seen and played it say the complete opposite.
SpitFireAce85  +   376d ago
The problem is that Ryse won't sell on the xb1 it's not a shooter .
timotim  +   376d ago
The comment made from the MS guy is on the topic of visuals/horsepower...post ONE comment where anyone as even anything remotely negative about Ruse visual muscle.
Angeljuice  +   376d ago
The IGN report on the multiplayer said that it was no where near as good visually as they were lead to believe (google it).
BallsEye  +   376d ago
That's funny. All the articles say different. What you read is N4G comments from people who didn't play it, so no wonder.
Azfargh  +   376d ago
well did not read much about it, but even as a faithful Sony fanboy, I wish Ryse... but still think that KZSF multiplayer is just awesome.
Elit3Nick  +   376d ago
Strange the only people that said anything negative about the game are those that didn't even try it and are judging it from what they say. Most people that actually played it said that it's not the QTE fest that you guys claim it is
SpideySpeakz  +   376d ago
Yes, it looks like a repetitive game for sure.
But I think MS is talking about the graphics, because the gameplay looks awful.
CJDUNCAN  +   375d ago
Ryse is just a cool exclusive to launch a console with. Undoubtedly after a playthrough it will end up in a box collecting dust or traded in, but it's a great first impression.

And I've had the opportunity to play the GoW series, I don't understand how Ryse and GoW are being compared.
Chuk5  +   376d ago
hahaha

*laughs self to sarcastic grave*
ABeastNamedTariq  +   376d ago
Ermm.. DriveClub, Infamous, Killzone, The Order? Okay MS.
Benchm4rk  +   376d ago
The only thing shown from the Order was a CGI trailer. Let's keep this relevant to games we have actually seen in game graphics on like the first 3 you mentioned
ABeastNamedTariq  +   376d ago
http://www.playstationlifes...

"And this is the first time we feel that we would be able to…have exactly a 1:1 experience from cinematic to gameplay. And as you can see is in-game, it’s in-engine, and it’s going to be running like this on the game itself and you won’t see any breaks, any change in models, or anything like that. We wanted to make a seamless experience all the way through."

What were you saying? Just a CGI trailer? Nah my man, that's just how good it looks.
patsrule316  +   376d ago
While the Order trailer wasn't gameplay, it wasn't CGI, either. It was "In Engine". I would still like to see gameplay too, but it was not CGI.
Benchm4rk  +   376d ago
Yeah sorry saying CGI was inaccurate. But In engine does not mean in game. There will be a difference. Many games show in engine graphics and the in game graphics don't match. Anyone remember the in engine Madden trailer that was shown for the 360 back in 2005?? In game was drastically different
BallsEye  +   376d ago
@ABeastNamedTariq
Oh yea, Killzone 2 guys at e3 said the same when presenting CGI. Killzone Shadow Fall still doesn't even come close to that CGI demo.

Besides, when someone says IN-ENGINE, it's still a cinematic, pre-recorded with better cloth physics, hair , post processing, etc etc but looks way better than actual gamepaly.
Rainstorm81  +   376d ago
That 2006 madden trailer wasnt in-engine at all....It was a CG trailer,target footage trailer...Similar to the CG trailer for Killzone 2 in 06

http://www.gametrailers.com...
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Hercules189  +   376d ago
When your console is supposedly 40% more powerful of course those games are going to be about equal to MS's games, but from what I've seen from MS's studios they're about the same besides art styles.Tech wise, Quantum break is not much different from the order besides being a bit more of a pixar style. Ryse is looking better and better each day, while Killzone is the opposite. Compare the announcement of killzone gameplay to E3 gameplay, look at the armor textures filled with jaggies. And theres no excuse for deep down looking like a current gen game if its releasing next yr. The division is releasing next fall and looks ready now.
Kayant  +   376d ago
^ The E3 trailer was the SP. All game footage from then on has been MP. Ryse is looking better SP wise but MP looks rather rough atm.
ABeastNamedTariq  +   376d ago
Did you just say that Deep Down looks like a current gen game?

Everything you say is invalid, man. Smh.
WeAreLegion  +   376d ago
That announcement "trailer" wasn't a trailer. It was someone playing Killzone: Shadow Fall live, on stage.
Hercules189  +   376d ago
@Beast, I was talking about the short gameplay videos they recently released, youve seen it right. Looks no where even close to the announcement trailer.
MysticStrummer  +   376d ago
"theres no excuse for deep down looking like a current gen game"

No need to read your comments ever again...
sweendog  +   376d ago
@Herules189

All killzone videos since the announcement have been filmed off screen with a cam corder shown on youtube. You should read what people who played it thought instead of judging a youtube clip
DaGR8JIBRALTAR  +   375d ago
Mannnn....that second trailer they showed of deep down was horrible....pissed me OFF!
Ohlmay  +   376d ago
Quantum Break was in-engine and look far better than The Order.
MELMAN26  +   376d ago
Very true! I was excited for the order, but amazed by the visuals of quantum break
CrossingEden  +   376d ago
I love how we've seen absolutely NO gameplay from the order yet people are praising it. Yet when xbox fans praise sunset overdrive, all we hear is "durr, they didit sho no gamezplayz"
ABeastNamedTariq  +   376d ago
I never said anything about SO. It looked fun and interesting. Don't lump me in with everybody else. I'm liking The Order for the graphics, concept, and reputation so far. And RAD made some great GOW games so hopefully the gameplay will be top notch as well.
Godmars290  +   376d ago
Because there's been no evidence, no self realization, that you have narrow vision. Don't see things you don't want to.
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Lukas_Japonicus  +   376d ago
Infamous Second Son and Killzone look JUST as good (if not better, especially Killzone) as those 2 games (although i do have to admit Forza 5 looks AMAZING)

The proof is in the gameplay, not what MS or Sony say. In my opinion, Killzone Shadowfall is the best looking next gen game by far, and the fact its 1080p 60fps makes it even more impressive.
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Benchm4rk  +   376d ago
Single player is 30fps, I think its only the MP that was running at 60fps and even that was quoted as being a "soft 60fps" meaning it could fluctuate from 30-60fps
Lukas_Japonicus  +   376d ago
I know the singleplayer is 30fps, because they are dropping the frames for more visual fidelity so it will look even better than the MP, which already looks amazing (graphically).
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monkeyDzoro  +   376d ago
Yeah... and MS is struggling and making big compromises on KillerInstinct to make it run at 1080p60fps on a nextgen system (search for KI articles)... a simple combat game, there arent able to run it seamlessly... yeah sooo nextgen their system. -__-
cfir  +   376d ago
Killer Instinct was dropped to 720p to maintain 60fps
sync90  +   376d ago
All of your comments are so fanboyish. grow up!
Kingthrash360  +   376d ago
i agree all the way. forza looks great....so does killzone and infamous.
but at the end of the day its gameplay im most concerned about. ive played crysis 2&3 and while beautiful they where not so great in gameplay...(not bad but not great...imo) and to thats important....and ive seen ryse and it looks ok but the gameplay looks weak...you seen how the ai just sits there waiting for you...or how sluggish it is? forza is xbox launch game that can be great.....ill take killzone over that tho with a free driveclub.
SeraphimBlade  +   376d ago
I need a chair and some popcorn. Don't get started without me, comments section.

Oh boy, Dis gon b gud!
SonyNGP  +   376d ago
I love it when people get so pissed over PR talk.
TimeSkipLuffy  +   376d ago
I don't see anything better than current gen because I do not own either console or next gen game yet!!! XD
SatanSki  +   376d ago
Buy a pc ;-)
TimeSkipLuffy  +   376d ago
Why should I? For me gaming started with a PC but I got tired with (graphic) driver problems and hardware upgrades. I've spent in PCs way more than I did with all my consoles together. And I own MS, Sony and BigN Consoles and handhelds.

And the fun is still the same. Does not matter if I play a game on a friends 2000€ PC or my 200€ PS3. At least for me I can have fun on both ^^
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Angeljuice  +   376d ago
Yes because PC is the pinnacle of gaming (wait a minute, isn't Diablo 3 supposed to be much better on consoles, go figure).
SatanSki  +   376d ago
Easy there hehe, havent you noticed ";-)"? Use whatever platform you prefer.

@Angel: Diablo 3 isnt a benchmark for anything. It was medicore on pc becouse it was designed with consoles in mind in the first place. They want to sell every one a second copy.

Besides Nightmare said he didnt see anything better then current gen. I saw several tittles on PC.
Deividas  +   376d ago
Wow...I was beginning to being somewhat happy for MS getting back in the game, and now their arrogance is starting up again. This is how you got into this mess in the first place!!! By thinking your hot shit and can do whatever you want and will still be on top, one of the many reason why I am switching to PS this time around. Ugh
hankmoody  +   376d ago
After all the kicking that MS has received while it was down, I'm glad to see them taking the fight back to Sony. Come on, man. Who doesn't love an underdog? Didn't you ever see Rocky? ;)
Elit3Nick  +   376d ago
So because they show their opinion for their games for basically the first time since the reveal suddenly it's arrogance, okay there... >.> It's funny that if Sony says the exact same then it's praised. I'm not bashing sony or anything, but you guys are so closed minded that it's sad...
Deividas  +   376d ago
Its not an opinion on their games, its pretty much an attack on Sonys games. Did not need to mention competition. And a company that pretty much has screwed themselves pretty bad, should not be taking shots at anyone and just focus on getting the consumer to "like them" again. And trying to attack competition is not the way to do it.
Elit3Nick  +   376d ago
Yes it is, the comment was from a single MS employee, but whoever posted this made it sound like it was a comment from MS itself. BTW don't give me the "it's an attack on Sony" BS Sony's been attacking MS through official statements more time than I can count, a company should keep a professional attitude, but it sounds as if Sony hired a bunch of hardcore fanboys to make the statements
ALLWRONG  +   375d ago
Are you seriously calling MS arrogant after Sony's E3 and Gamescom presentations? Sony spent half the time talking about MS. And since when has truth become arrogance? MS isn't lying. Right now Xbox One games look visually better than those on the PS4. It's just a fact that PS fans aren't willing to accept.
thehitman  +   376d ago
I think the only MS exclusive that may sell well is Titan Fall everything else will sell underwhelming and most sales on xb1 will go to cod, bf4 and the sport games.
mcstorm  +   376d ago
I have to disagree with that comment. People who are looking at getting a xbox one and PS4 are getting it for the exclusives so Forza, Ryse, KZ ect will be the better sellers on these consoles. Most people who want COD and BF4 will get it on the PS3 and 360. Look at the WiiU for example the best selling games on the WiiU were the exclusives around 3 quarters of the console owners got MarioU.

I do think it is funny how people on here are going on about what game looks best. Who really cares buy the game you want and leave people to get what they want it is really that simple.
thehitman  +   376d ago
Contrary to what you may believe because you are on n4g a lot, just like me there are millions of people who always want the next thing regardless of what is going to be on it. I have friends who dont know what Ryse is and dont play forza but hey they had 360s and will get the next xbox ASAP. Its gaureteed that most of the sales this holiday will be to 3rd party studios like EA, Ubi, Activision. I think it will be the same for the PS4 with the only exception that KZ will do very well. Besides that I dont see any exclusive hitting blockbuster numbers.
mcstorm  +   376d ago
I see if different from my side. All the people I know who are getting a xbox one or PS4 are getting it on day one for one of the exclusives the people who want COD, BF4, Fifa ect are getting it for there current gen consoles as they want the game for £45 rather than buying a new console for £300 to £450 + the game.

It is the gamers who want the consoles now not the none gamers.
thehitman  +   376d ago
@MC the only people who wont be buying those games mainly on xb1/ps4 are because of either A. They lucked out and couldnt get one do to high demand and limited supply or B. Just cant afford (kids most likely who have to wait for parents). It wont be because they simply choose to play last gen quality games. Trust me people talk and when 1 guy is like fuk ya look how nice this looks and look how crappy yours look or look at the extra things I can do others will want the same. When the ps3 came out I didnt want to play NBA 2k on my ps2 I wanted a ps3 for that game I even bought Madden twice. If you think people only care about exclusives you are far from right.
skydragoonity  +   376d ago
Microsoft keep telling yourself that..
pyramidshead  +   376d ago
I'll respectfully disagree with that statement. Each to their own, me thinks :P.
DirtyPimp  +   376d ago
hell, god of war 3 looks like it has better graphics then ryse.
skydragoonity  +   376d ago
I thought only me noticed this? Even last of us looks better.
DirtyPimp  +   376d ago
uncharted 1 looks better. you dont even have to mention god of war 3.
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starchild  +   376d ago
You console kids are completely out of touch with reality. Delusional.

You have no clue about how to judge game graphics. That is obvious based on your comments.
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patsrule316  +   376d ago
I think the animation is bad in Ryse...very herky jerky from what I saw. But the graphics themelves look very good to me. I think the art is terrific, but the motion is a big problem.
thehitman  +   376d ago
I the the animation and the gameplay are lacking and IGN apparently even said it has graphic issues w/ texture popping. If texture popping still exists thats a VERY bad sign when it releases. Just will show how lacking in bandwidth that 8g of DDR3 is for actual games. Im still confused what MS was thinking using that type of ram mainly.. its like me adding another 4-8gigs of ram on my PC thinking my games will look better.
Elit3Nick  +   376d ago
I agree that the animation look very "pop in" hopefully they are smoothed out before release
DaGR8JIBRALTAR  +   375d ago
that animation is PISSING ME OFF!
hankmoody  +   376d ago
Forza blows away Drive Club from all the reports that I've heard/ read. But remember folks, at the end of the day it's the gameplay that's important, not the graphics.
DirtyPimp  +   376d ago
driveclub makes forza 5 look like a 360 game.
hankmoody  +   376d ago
Can you send me a link to wherever it is you order the stuff you're drinking/smoking? I want to live outside of reality also. ;)
The_Infected  +   376d ago
Yea Driveclub is doing much more than Forza 5. Although Forza 5 looks good it's got baked on lighting, no day/night cycle, etc.
windblowsagain  +   376d ago
Forza5 is a 360 game with added texture/higher rez assets. Everything else looks the same to me.

DRIVECLUB is all realtime.
sync90  +   376d ago
Forza....the cod of racing games. same game they've been pumping out on 360 but with better gfx. y7awn! yawn! yawn!
insomnium2  +   376d ago
@hank

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

I can't think of anyone who could be as cocky as you are using cartoon Forza as your weapon.

Seriously just look at that link I provided and share your thoughts people.
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SpideySpeakz  +   376d ago
Let's be clear. DC is a arcade racer. Forza is a simulation. These are two totally different genres you're comparing. The physics on the cars are going to be vastly different. You literally can't compare the two. GT6 is the one you should be comparing it with.
MightyNo9  +   376d ago
M$ are blind.
Funantic1  +   376d ago
Yeah the the PS4 and X1 games look about the same so far. The ones that stand out graphically are Quantum Break, Destiny, and Forza 5. The rest look current gen but could be fun.
Utalkin2me  +   376d ago
Please link me to a gameplay video of quantum break. I can not find one i have been searching and no luck.
Funantic1  +   376d ago
Maybe you've seen some but thought all of it was just cinematic cut scenes.
Utalkin2me  +   376d ago
@Funantic1

Nice couldn't reply with a link. So my statement hold valid until proved otherwise.
Lord Maim  +   376d ago
Stop looking at the Wii U Microsoft. The PS4 is over here.
mohuz2  +   376d ago
Forza and Ryse aren't better than Xenoblade and Smash Bros.
AznGaara  +   376d ago
Wind Waker HD looks better than both of those. Sorry I prefer artstyle over the amount of polygons :)
grimmweisse  +   376d ago
Put it this way, MS wouldn't come out and say their console is at a disadvantage or games on other platforms will look better. That would be suicide for any company. The rhetoric from MS is to make as much hype and noise as they can before release, Where the Ps4 already has the momentum thanks to initial Xbox One policies and unveiling
Kayant  +   376d ago
In terms of launch titles I think KZ SP will look better than Ryse SP. Forza 5 will probably like better than Drive club but I don't think it will be by that much and Driveclub is doing more things than Forza.

But looking at the new I:SS off-screen pics it will better than any of the above.

Related image(s)
u got owned  +   376d ago
I wouldn't be so sure.

Direct feed.

http://i7.minus.com/ibkQb1C...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

game is an aliasing mess

Any game looks good with bull shots.
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insomnium2  +   376d ago
"Any game looks good with bull shots."

Geow?
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windblowsagain  +   376d ago
That is upscaled from a video.

Already seen it.

Looks nothing like that in action.

It's as smooth as a babies bum.( not all babies of course)
badkolo  +   376d ago
first of all ryse is day 1, and killzzone,infamous is not.

so lets not jump the gun
killzone looks great, i love it, rryse looks great, i love it, driveclub not so much, forza looks sick and that is a fact
grassyknoll  +   376d ago
Killzone ShadowFall is a launch game.
ziggurcat  +   376d ago
infamous is not day one, but killzone is.

and driveclub looks better than forza, sorry.
Quicktopick  +   376d ago
"first of all ryse is day 1, and killzzone,infamous is not."

Hhahahahahahahahhahahahaha. But Killzone is.
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sync90  +   376d ago
hahaha owned!
insomnium2  +   376d ago
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Fact F5 looks like a cartoon compared to driveclub.
u got owned  +   376d ago
Funny because F5 looks better on those gif you posted and you can't really see it at 1080p 60 FPS on those gif either which makes it even better.

Advise, don't compare a 720p 30fps game with a full HD 60fps game it make you look desperate.
GraveLord  +   376d ago
I noticed that too. Forza's colors are articifical. I guess its all about the lighting. Forza's is pre-baked while Driveclubs is Dynamic.
6DEAD6END6  +   376d ago
That's funny because last time I checked Killzone: Shadow Fall looks better then all their launch titles and InFamous: Second Son blows everything else away even more.
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JAT2304  +   376d ago
I thought there was game that looked better than Ryse or Forza ....Oh yeah The Last of Us!
avangerironman  +   376d ago
Infamous looks much better then any xbox one exclusive games :) and when Naughty Dog's game comes then game over Microsoft. you just cannot beat Naughty Dog :)
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Steezo  +   376d ago
Watch_Dogs?! That 14 minute gameplay preview yesterday looked great!
Lboogieskells  +   376d ago
Ryse is the worst looking next gen when it comes to gameplay though. Forza looks great, but I really would like to play it first.
insomnium2  +   376d ago
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Why do people say F5 looks great is beyond me.
Lboogieskells  +   376d ago
It's pretty, but I'm not impressed by the gameplay. Forza looks like the Spiritual successor to Ridge Racer.
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FAT MAN GO BOOM  +   376d ago
LMAO oh that a good MS oh man... stop drinking the koolaid MS...
AllroundGamer  +   376d ago
and then the sale numbers come up and MS will be very quiet...
hraac  +   376d ago
Official: I look at games like Ryse, I look at Forza, and I don’t see anything better on a competing platform than what I’m seeing there.” - Penello, personal opinion

N4G filter: "Microsoft: We Don't See Anything Better than Ryse, Forza 5 on Competing Platforms"
Elit3Nick  +   376d ago
This site is an absolute joke, xbox people aren't allowed to their own opinions and the mods give pro-xbox articles titles that makes MS seem arrogant, welcome to N4G...
GraveLord  +   376d ago
What are you talking about? The title on N4G is a copy & paste from the website it links to.

And there's really do difference in what messaging. Both the actual quote and the title on the article give the same message.

@Elit3Nick
Mods aren't the only ones who can submit articles. So can you. Mods don't assign titles to articles.
tarbis  +   376d ago
Albert Penello is Microsoft’s director of product planning. He holds a key position in the company. He's not some random guy in the streets that you can consider as a random opinion. What he says is as good as the company's. Very much like Yoshida. Himself and his words, comments, opinions or whatever comes out of his mouth or tweeter represents Sony. So, these guys need to watch what they say.
Remember Don Mattrick with the submarine thingie?
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