Microsoft director of product planning, Albert Penello, has revealed some details on the Xbox One.
I expect him to say nothing else. It's their box after all. His job depends on its success. But let's be clear, Xbox One's specs and architecture comes nowhere close to that of the mighty PS4. Let's just be frank here. MS is trying and that's a good thing, but we all know PS4 is far superior.
All I would say to that is simply look at the games, do they look 40% better on PS4? Does it look nowhere close to the mighty PS4? No. They look the same. This next generation is going to be the same as this one. Halo will look great, Uncharted will look great. I don't think the graphical power is even that important. The reason The Last of Us looks so great is because of the detail, design, and thought behind every room, character and city in the game. Not the power of the PS3.
i would say the ps4 will have better textures, framerate, and better graphics in all games but thats about it.
No one knows, we've barely seen any games running on Xbox One!
They're launch games. It's not gonna look 40 percent better. Xbox fans have to come to terms that Sony simply has better graphics than MS machine. Just accept it and move on. This "they're the same" rhetoric is making you guys look bad.
"The reason The Last of Us looks so great is because of the detail, design, and thought behind every room, character and city in the game. Not the power of the PS3." While I get what you're saying, all that detail and design is capable because of the power of the PS3, in combination with the art direction of course.
@ slimey " The Last of Us looks so great is because of the detail, design, and thought behind every room, character and city in the game. Not the power of the PS3." Lmfao!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah ok. Use your brain boy.
Last generation people droned on about how the Cell was more powerful... how did that turn out? Nobody cared, that's how.
^Still havent seen a game from the 360 that's come close to Uncharted 2.
@Slimey Precisely. It's all about the games. Look at Titanfall- it isn't exactly the most visually appealing of the next-gen titles (in terms of raw visuals anyway) but the gameplay is what has many people excited for it. This is a brilliant interview and Penello tackles the questions head-on. Especially regarding the old policies and MS' lack of communication.
360 was more powerful overall. sony fans have been on a crusade on crysis,rage and gears for years! uncharted has good art direction but better than those 3 heck no listen to 1:50 to 2:01 from carmack! http://kotaku.com/john-carm...
It's a no brainer. This guys going to promote the bone no matter what LOL. The facts remain that the bone is hugely inferior to the PS4. The superiority of the PS4 will become more and more prevalent and you get all that power for 100.00 less than the pitiful bone.
I agreed with the first paragraph then I started laughing when you said halo and compared it to uncharted....halo looks like garbage compared to any naughtydog game... man honestly thinking 360 games compare to ps3 exclusives is deliutional, thats as bad as sony fan boys saying like all game what run on the unreal engine don't run better on 360 its just fanboy logic
You hit it right on the nail man...the only real losers in this console war...is going to be the fanboys. People have to understand, that you need to want both systems to succeed. The only way games will get better and companies continue to innovate, is to have competition...I'm a gamer...if a game is entertaining and innovative...I will play it...regardless of what system it's on. People need to stop hating on everyone and everything about the systems...and just appreciate these games that we are all going to get to play very shortly....this is a gaming community is it not?
"of course he's going to support the product" uhh.... yeah? and? Why shouldn't he? Can you come up with any objectively negative aspect of the console? Because I can't think of anything. Why should the people who have been pouring their efforts into it come out against it? Why should anybody?
Well said slimey...like Albert said so himself, most of the people here on these sites just spit out random specs and don't know what they mean, and he admits that the guys at MS aren't Sony engineers so they can't comment on PS4 power, but if you look at the games, nothing on PS4 looks better than on XB1. It appears that the two systems have different approaches to the same end. PS4 puts a huge burden on a more powerful GPU, MS spreads it out on a GPU with better latency a dedicated sound card and better/more efficient processing. The results are virtually the same. Anyone saying that PS4 is 40% more powerful is obviously stuck on a narrow view of paper specs. The part that pushes me over onto the XB1 side for now is the exclusives and the MUCH MUCH better network.
Yeah allformats we know hes going to praise his platform but was there anything inherently wrong with he said, X1 is heavily customized and the strength of the platform is how it all works together....is that wrong, do you have something that DEMONSTRATES X1 is nowhere close to ps4? HINT: Launch games won't help your case.
First 2 years of games will look the same, after real Devs start to take advantage of the hardware, the differences will become aparant. No first year games take advantage of the hardware no matter how powerful.
malokevi: My 2 negatives on the box are 1) Price compared to the competition. Yes, you get the Kinect 2.0 camera so there is added value but I'm not so sure the every day consumer is thinking that deep about it. 2) Microsoft has too many "features" behind the XBL Gold pay wall. They need to offer more services for just owning the system. Some people just want some of the apps and couldn't care less about multiplayer. They seem to pigeon hole all their customers into a one size fits all. I'm liking everything else I'm seeing.
The visuals are important, but it's the behind the scenes physical environment computation that is really stacked in Sony's favour here. We can probably expect less load time and a smoother gameplay experience in general on PS4. But who really knows.
@giantcrab Fair enough. But I would rebut: 1) I don't think this can count as a negative. In it's own right, the Xbox One is (I would argue) great value for the price. I've never bought anything that does so much for so little cash. The price tag says nothing about the console itself, other than that it's a high-end gaming machine. 2) Possibly true, but you have to remember that XBL is Microsofts online service, and that anything dependent on a connection is fair game. It costs them money every time someone hooks into their servers, so it just seems... logical. In any case, for a console that began as an online-only device, it would be foolish for anyone to buy the console and opt out of Xbox Live. It really makes no sense. It's akin to forfeiting more than half the value of your purchase. Like MS famously said, "there are alternatives for people without a connection: Xbox360" Now, obviously the logical alternative is PS4. But still. Xbox One might as well be considered a subscription console. That's how I see it.
Tell me. I'm interested. What games have you seen(multiplats) running side by side on PS4 & XBOXONE. What? None! All multiplats have only been shown running on PS4 hardware. Assassins Creed Need for speed Watch dogs The crew Please link me to a game that is running on xboxone hardware and not a Nvidia PC.
allformats.. are you the new the account of dedicatedtogamers by anychance???? because the resemblance in actions and the writing is uncanny.
So The Last of Us didn't look good because of the PS3's power?! Then what on the 360 compares then? By that reasoning 360 games could be made better with simple attention to detail and design then. So where's the game that is just as good as The Last Of Us then? Surely after 7 years 360 has something that looks and plays just as good?
"The reason The Last of Us looks so great is because of the detail, design, and thought behind every room, character and city in the game." As their exclusives I would say that does show the power of PS3 because neither the last of us or Rain would look as good on 360. I have both 360 and PS3 while I played my 360 way more this gen games do and have just looked better on PS3.
It takes time to fully harness a new console. Compare Uncharted 1 to Uncharted 2, big difference when you got more time to mess around and optimize a game engine for the console you now know more of.
^^^ Yes, but this time it is very different. Given in how much the gaming industry has come so far. Tools now are readily available and common among most developers now a days, especially development techniques. The disparity in development have truly shrunk and they should now access the full capabilities of the console now given the new APIs, Middlewares and tools. If anything, Microsoft has revealed more than enough and going by what I've come across so far, along with the Azure platform they'll have great tools. Sony has been very low keyed though, hope it's for good reason because we're near release date and if we reach by that time without anything...well, shows they didn't have anything to show.
@slimeybrainboy: sorry man, but Halo looked like garbage compared to Uncharted. Are you sue you actually played both games?
What the hell are you talking about? We haven't seen the games compared yet lmfao. We haven't even seen final code from any single game on any next-gen console. Slimey, how exactly would a game looking 40% better look for you? You're taking this numbers thing way too literally. A 40% GPU power advantage doesn't translate into 40% better graphics, there's no way to measure "graphics". A 40% GPU advantage would translate into either: a)More stable framerate on PS4 with equal resolution and special effects on both consoles. b)Equal framerate on bot consoles with PS4 version having higher view distance, higher-res testures, special effects or whatever. It's up to the devs and it will vary from game to game. We're not even talking about the PS4s RAM advantage yet as that is even harder to measure.
How can anything that he actually said in this article be translated into "less bottlenecks". The title is completely misleading. Also, he actually affirms that the PS4 does in fact have more horsepower: "Sony’s doing things in their hardware to make it best that they can. We’re doing things to our hardware to make it the best that we can. I don’t believe the difference between these systems will be as significant as comparing individual components. How is it that a 400 HP Porsche can be faster than a 700 HP Corvette?” — Overall it’s balance and trade offs and it’ll come down to the games,”
well you know it's got less bottlenecks than the 360 and ps3 but compared to the PS4 the bone looks like an 80's VCR with the computing power of a calculator.
Frankly I could care less really about specifications. If I wanted top of the line performance and graphics up the wazoo, I would buy PC! Since I don't have odd benchmark to make me feel better, like best graphics ON console and such, I just pick a platform due to preference and ease of access. You people can talk about specs all day long just like last generation with the power of the cell but let's face it. Unless the difference is by magnitude, you are not going to notice. Just like how the Wii U is twice as powerful as the PS3, yet the games don't look that much difference. As the computing power increases, there are diminishing returns. That is why, I just care about the games and the platform. Really looking forward to Ryse and shortly after Titanfalls, Project Spark and Quantum Break. I don't see any games I care about on PS4 except for maybe KillZone. I don't care about indie games, that exist on my tablet, Xbox 360, PS3 and a myriad of other Android/iOS devices. So whatever power or specs, you give me, I don't care. Give me a platform I want to use that includes games, and other forms of entertainment (really loved Netflix all these years).
If you actually want to cut the crap just have fanboys, PR reps, bloggers, etc point out where these bottlenecks are on the PS4 as opposed to the xbone. You'll be met with silence. The xbone has far more bottlenecks built into it. He'll let's see someone try (straight-faced) to explain it. If they do I'll be back to post again (coz it's going to be that much fun). Edit: Seriously.
lol @ you fanboys...... good times.
Haha. What did I tell you? Negative shows up to complain but doesn't actually post anything about bottlenecks. You're right negative. Fanboys are fun. @ ShowanW. LOL what?! Do you know what a bottleneck is? Only the GPUs are different? Have you taken a blow to the head? What you've just written is...Oh. I checked your history. I understand now. Thank you for the laugh though.
neither system will have bottlenecks (not in the first 2-3yrs or so at least. Sony and Microsoft took different paths to achieve this goal. SO you are wrong. Sony has a better GPU and after that... well it's even... It's all about the exclusives and features (outside of gaming features)...
Neither group are qualified engineers and shouldn't comment as such.
So not only can you not do it IcicleTrepan, now you want to take away the right of people to speak? It's damaged your agenda that badly? Hahaha. Thank you so much. That was awesome. Edit: For edits and such.
I do believe the XB1 has more bottlenecks. The PS4 has gone with a unified approach whereas the XB1 has gone for the ESRAM. Mark Cerny already stated that they could of added an ESRAM to PS4 with up to 5 times more speed at PEAK times but the trade off and bottlenecks meant a very fast unified approach was much simpler and better overall. Just PR. Wish they would just concentrate on their own system. You only truly know your own system at the moment.
'bottleneck' is largely a PC term that gets thrown around too often...its not something most console people really consider...In PC gaming, most bottlenecks occur on the cpu side, largely due to the OS footprint and how RIDICULOUS it is compared to a dedicated gaming console... but...there is no question that this article points towards fair PR on MS's part...its just gets twisted out of context within a community teaming with fanboys that have no idea what any of this even means... I've been a console fan the entire last generation...it was the only generation i skipped PC gaming the entire time...but...even as someone with a preference towards Sony's hardware over the years, NO ONE can argue against the truth with the upcoming console specs... the cpu's are weak...no other way to say it...These are low power cores originally penned out for business notebooks and possibly even tablets...the other thread has everyone arguing over a tiny clock increase to the xbox one's cpu...with no one really accepting that these cpu's have more in common with a smart phone than any form of dedicated gaming machine... and, at least in PC gaming, bottlenecks occur almost always in one direction...its an issue with maxing out a cpu's load with a powerful gpu...the cpu is getting the base line instructions, and managing the low priority processing of backround information...the 'important' work is routed to the gpu for rendering...If the cpu can't deal the instructions back to the gpu fast enough, the game crawls just as it would with an underpowered gpu...you can take a $1000 gpu, literally, and match it up with something similar to what these consoles are going to have cpu wise...and watch games chug at 30fps or even lower...its a game by game basis and multiplayer games are notoriously hard on cpus...but just look at BF4, one of the bar none absolute best scaling, cpu wise, game engines around...and compromises are already being made to get it to run on next gen consoles...take a weak CPU and ANY gpu...and play planet side 2...you can max the settings, or reduce them all the way to 'very low'...won't change a thing...when shit hits the fan that game is dropping to 15fps guaranteed... Sony, on paper, has a significantly more powerful GPU than the xbox one...but a nearly identically weak cpu...if anything, with the trend of modern game design, the PS4 is the design with the potential for maxed out cpu...creating a bottleneck...and since the xbox one's gpu may not be capable of overloading the cpu...it won't 'bottleneck' as readily as the ps4, at least on paper...keeping what this dude said completely in line... and this means...nothing...the two systems will be identical...if the cpu is the weakest link of the new consoles, and identical between them, neither is going to perform noticeably better in any real sense...they may find clever ways to make the ps4's gpu do some directx 11.1 type stuff and off load some low priority stuff to the gpu...but the reality is...all these crazed ps4 guys are in for a truly rude awakening when 99% of titles released are nearly identical...just as it is now...
Sony had a alternative that had 128-bit GDDR5 that had 88GB/s of bandwidth (higher than X1's 68GB) and eDRAM running at 1000GB/s (way higher than X1's eSRAM) and intsead went with the 256-bit GDDR5 176GB/s design because they knew that not only would it be easier to program for (have less bottlenecks) but also be more powerful
dont tell them that cloud lol and the overclocking of their CPU its now on par lol
Its not on par, PS4's specs still clearly better on paper, but the X1 is much closer that everyone thought. Still PS4 will have the advantage on graphics because the GPU still more powerful than the X1.
It is the same base cpu as ps4. So maximum for both is 2.7Ghz. The cpu on X1 is not overclocked. It wont be overclocked until it goes faster than recommended specs.
I think you might have a bit of a shock coming. I'm not being fanboy but your expectations of both consoles might need adjustment by the time they launch. No need to talk PS4 and bash xbox in an xbox article either. There are plenty of PS4 articles for you to do that. Both systems are going to surprise us and be great for gaming.
Allformats, the way you just described the almighty PS4, now I can only imagine the Monolith from 2001 on prehistoric earth with the classical music banging!! Awesome!
That makes sense if you really "PAUSE" and think about the facts.... Microsoft pays AMD 1.2 BILLION dollars more than Sony(Just about 2 times what Sony paid)to make the Xbox One 40% less powerful than the PS4. 40% more power is so incredible and obvious, that every game shown to date for the ps4 blows the xbox one games out the water graphically. Which also explains why the ps4 dominated all the awards at E3. Sarcasm for the intellectually challenged It doesn't take a smart person to see that there is more to this picture than meets the eye. Some things don't add up with the the facts that we have been given up to this point.
Yeah, sarcasm aside.....MS paid more for less. Though they did get some hoops to run through.
You might wanna re-read your own fanboy conspiracy site, Microsoft did not give AMD billions. "Misterx: So, MS gave AMD billions and not allowed to talk about what they spend thouse billions for? That also means PS4 will have similar hardware I.e >1.8TF...and how could MS be not the first served with AMD? Or is it all because of Intel-AMD x86 agreements? So who blocked MS from speak? That is only related to APU or it is x86 inside dGPU too? ****Insider: Sorry but ms did not give AMD billions.. You are miss informed..****"
@elite Just like the duel GPU set-up kicking out at 5 teraflops right. Sarcasm for the mentally challenged.
Elite you seriously need to understand what is going on. MS hardware is for TV and some gaming. If a game is running at the same rez, assets, on both PS4/XBOX. If xbox was getting 30fps. The PS4 would be getting 50+
@ elite: That's funny because you've not presented a single fact.
NO WE DON'T.
Sony comes out and says "we are the best out there, ourgraphics are the best!" Sony fanboy reaction: There we have it folks this gen is over before it even began- sony won sony's the best in everything sony just confirmed that as facts folks. Microsoft: Hey guys we dont have any bottlenecks --cut-- Fanboys- SHUT THE **** UP- YOU LIE. How are we to believe you? Your only saying that cuz u are selling it! LOL THE HYPOCRASY. Stay classy fanboys.
As Penello said, the games will show and so far, Xbox One are getting dedicated server on every multiplayer game revealed so far and Titanfalls is looking fantastic. I can't say that about the competition, and until they do, I will use the Xbox One more.
Yeah and Microsoft also came out and said the X1 is built around Kinect so it is 100% required and looked what happened there. Plus what about the DRM? Everything has to be installed and checked once every 24hours, they can't just flip a switch and fix it. Well guess what buddy they did, so how can we just trust Microsoft at their words when all they've done is say one thing and did the other? While Sony's statement is based on hardware! its a fact they have the superior and the talent to push their hardware so whats so unbelievable about that? So what hypocrisy do you speak of? or do you truly believe that what Microsoft say and what Sony says hold the same value. Or do you really have the confidence to say that what Microsoft says is indeed true 100% and if so compared to what? less bottleneck to the aging PS360 hardware?PC?PS4?WiiU? Also nukeitall stop pretending you'll ever touch a PS hardware geez.
@allformats You make me so glad I have both consoles pre-ordered because I would hate to live a life full of disdain toward a piece of plastic and electronic circuitry.
No it's disdain towards the way MS wanted to control/restrict gamers.
@Formats quit wasting your time and say "I hate Xbox" and be quiet. But then again you don't know what your talking about. So your in it for the bubbles because the rest of this site don't know what they're talking about also.
Don't waste energy, soon consoles are out and the truth won't be possible to hide with PR talking
allformats... your sipping the juice bro. Fall back
@Kashaki They need to look 40% because as PS4 gets better so will X1. You will see no big differences this gen just like the last. Will come down to exclusives and entertainment.
"Xbox One has a balanced architecture, less bottlenecks", how the f*ck does Penello know? Bullcrap!
No where close? Far superior? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
funny cause when Mark Carney says things like this Where is the he suppose to say that attitude then What makes you sony sound so stupid is you are falling for the same thing you did back in 2005
But you worship that cerny guy like hes god and has no attachment to sony. Doublesided. Cerny was on here for months campaiganibg for his product but if ms does it they are liars and will say anything to sell there products. One thing sony cant lie about is there financial situatio and ms just purchased nokia for what sony total worth is close to. You make money by selling products people want. Do you know apple would not exist today if not for ms. They are not all bad of a company and have alot of people there that are passionate gamers. I agree and believe they will start listening to them now. Im just glad ms made there mistakes before the product was even assembled. The same cant be said of sony who took almost the whole gen to get gamers to trust them and staryes this for the gamers bs and michael after they werw going to go bankrupt id ps4 flops. Sony had no choice it was kiss butt or close.
nice try but we know nothing until there has been a full teardown or at least FULL specs for both consoles revealed. so to be frank unless you work for either company and meet the pay grade to have the full info then its just more speculation. i can only imagine the back peddling thats going to happen if you are wrong.
Why do they have to explain a lot to convince themselves??
I have been thinking that same thing. I want to see the thing at work not hear about it.